Hi Randy-

Thank you very much for joining in !

I really believe this group can serve as a source of feedback to your
company-  what's good, what's not so good, and suggestions for changes
or new products.  Also I hope we become a collective source of technical
expertise on the particular components used on the Actionbents.

I'm a beginner on recumbents, but I have a few years of experience with
mountain and road bikes.  This summer I did quite a lot of road biking.
I've gone through several saddles trying to improve comfort.  Not only
was I suffering butt pain, but leg pain radiating all the way down to my
feet.  I'll have to wait and see how things turn out, but a 32 mile ride
last weekend was very successful with minimal pain.

I agree with you that there is a market here for reasonably priced
recumbent.  Actionbent could be the company that brings recumbent
bicycles into the mainstream in the US.  I wish you the best of luck in
this venture, and will look forward to your posts here in this group.

Gotta get ready for a ride, will report later !

Regards,
Greg Raven
Plantation Florida


On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 00:21, Randy Schulman wrote:
> Hi, all!

Hi, all!

This is cool. I hope everyone doesn't give me me too much **** about
my lousy packing, funky boxes, bad phone manners, and general
ignorance about bikes and business, but I hope this group will teach
me a thing or 2.

I'm Randy Schulman, the founder and still the sole employee, besides
my 14-year-old son David, of ActionBent Recumbents.

I'm 48 years old and led a very sedentary life style until I got my
first recumbent, a Vision 40 understeering model, in March of 2002. I
was never able to stand riding a standard bike for more than 20
minutes, have never been involved in any sports, and could never
stand working out in gyms, even on stationary recumbents. I had been
very fat my whole life, and was  230 pounds  when I started riding;
at 5'8", that's pretty obese. I'm a software engineer, and one of my
co-workers was a former employee of Vision. That's how I got the
idea to try a recumbent. In that bike, I found the first form of
exercise I could ever enjoy, and began to ride about 10-15 miles
almost every day. I now weigh 160 pounds.

Since I haven't been riding that long, I'm not yet very wired into
the recumbent community. Unfortunately, I'm still quite mechanically
challenged as well, and am just barely able to make minor justments.
My very athletic son, David, who is a raging snow-boarder, hockey
player, and mountain bike enthusiast, has the only halfway decent
technical knowledge of bike components in the family.

I was shocked at how expensive the Visions were, and was even more
shocked to learn that they were among the most inexpensive short
wheelbase recumbents. I've never been a business man, but it seemed
to me that if I could find a company in Taiwan or China who made a
bike similar to the Vision and imported them myself, I could
probably sell them for less than the Vision's wholesale price. It
also seemed to me that since so relatively few bike shops carry
recumbents, I could probably sell them over the internet.

My wife Jan, who is also a software engineer, is from Taiwan, and
everyone (except me) in my family, including my son David, is fluent
in Mandarin.I started to surf the web looking for an inexpensive SWB
manufacturer, and soon learned that Taichung, Taiwan was actually
the bicycle Mecca of the world and that must recumbents are
manufactured there whether they wanted to admit it or not.
Taiwan's quality is often great, and is still a far cut above that
of China's in almost all cases.

My first shipment of 50 bikes sold out in 2 months, and my second
Shipment of 100 is going fast. I've just placed my thrid order.
I'm of course hoping to grow my business, but I'm
deliberately taking
it slow until I can learn more, both about bikes, and about running
a small business.

One of the first things I learned was that if you pack bikes in
boxes big enough so that they are 'real easy to assemble', they will
also be 'REAL EXPENSIVE TO SHIP'

The next thing I learned was that Packing bikes to survive a sea
voyage in a shipping container, and packing them to survive UPS
shipping are two entirely different things... DUH!

As I said, I'm a relatively new recumbent enthusiast. I'm
also a musician as my other main passion. I have a topical comedy
band, "The Swine", which I bill as the world's only
`grunge bluegrass' band. I play fiddle, mandolin, guitar,
banjo,
harmonica, and bass. I invite you to check out my music on my
personal website, www.rezone.com.(unfortunately this site is
temporarily down while I rearrange my wired world). My younger
brother, Mark Schulman,(www.markschulmanproductions.com) is a very
well-known and accomplished professional drummer who is currently on
tour with Cher, and has worked with many equally famous employers,
including Richard Marx, Foreigner, Billy Idol, Simple Minds, and
Stevie Nix, to name a few.

I believe there is a huge potential market for recumbents that are
reasonably priced, particularly among `boomers' such as
myself. More
later.

I know most of my customers are much more knowledgeable about bikes
than I am, and I'm more than a little embarassed about that, but I'm
learning. More later.


Randy Schulman
ActionBent Recumbents

This is my initial review of the as-received Actionbent recumbent
bicycle.  I tried to stick to the facts.  As you might be able to
surmise, I am NOT happy with the packing and delivered quality.  This
is a good product being greatly harmed by some very basic quality
problems.  This review is intended to make prospective buyers aware of
what they are getting into.  I hope Actionbent and China Mascot make
the changes necessary to fix these problems.

Greg


Actionbent "Jet Stream" Under-seat-steering Review

by Greg Raven
Plantation Florida
October 2003

I will stick to the facts here, no comments on ride quality yet since
I have not put more than a few miles on the bike doing short test runs
in my neighborhood.

I won this bike in an ebay auction on October 3.  The bike arrived on
October 24th.

Bottom of box found open upon delivery.  4 large staples not securely
fastening the box.  Several small parts and cables were found floating
inside the main box.  It was a miracle that more parts were not lost.

The frame was well protected with bubble wrap and cardboard.

Missing parts-
1 Brake cable
1 Boom bolt
1 Brake adjustment screw
1 Cable end crimp (3 of 4).  There were lots of spare shifter and
brake cable ends.

A small sub-box contained the chain and many small parts.  A larger
sub-box had a 2 inch hole which may have allowed some smaller parts to
escape into the main box.

Wrong parts:
9 speed rear cassette, (notified by email this was incorrect, correct
8 speed was promised to be sent).   Note- it has arrived and is an
SRAM 11-32.  I had requested a boom bolt and a missing brake cable to
be sent along with the correct derailleur.  The bolt was received.
The bolt head goes in a metal shroud, unfortunately the bolt head is
too large and this bolt is useless.  I have not received the missing
brake cable.

Derailleur hanger- had to bend with a mallet to get wheel to fit.  The
body of the frame was well protected with cardboard and bubble wrap,
however, there was nothing to keep the derailleur hanger from being
bent if the box was dropped.  It really needed a foam block to absorb
impact.

Instructions have several images, which are so poorly reproduced they
are unusable.
2 copies of the instruction manual for the SRAM rear derailleur were
included.  There was probably supposed to be a copy of the manual for
the shifters.

No cable routing guide included.  Correct routing of cables had to be
guessed.

Included assembly tools- chain tool, pedal wrench, multi-tool (metric
hex set).

Chain idlers are are welded on about 10 degrees off the chain axis.
This may be contributing to some of the noise from the idlers.

Frame has several minor abrasions in the paint.  Touch-up paint included.

Wheels and tires appear to be very good.

Pedals have noticeable friction when turning.  This may loosen up with
use.  They will be replaced with clipless pedals, so this is not a
great concern.

Be careful that the boom length is close to proper adjustment before
adjusting the chain length.

Getting the front derailleur to work properly was very difficult.  I
followed SRAM's  and Shimano's instructions to the letter.  Shifting
from position 1 to position 2 caused the derailleur to overshoot the
middle chainring and move the chain all the way to the largest
chainring.  Finally I discovered that if quite a bit of slack is left
in the cable when the cable is clamped (position 1, smallest
chainring), then the derailleur works OK.  Shifting from the middle to
largest chainring requires a lot of twisting force though.  There is
an optional "micro adjust" front shifter that would probably be more
appropriate for this bike.  The SRAM rear derailleur works very well,
however, the testing was done with a 13-26 cassette which I borrowed
from of my old road bike.

Regards,
Greg

Just had Randy Schulman call me, as I hadn't received my replacement
cassette, I thought that was pretty decent of him, he rushed another
out, and I just received a confirmations form the Post office on it.
Randy said he's not sure if he'll be bringing in the lowracer, and it's
very long to ship it. He also said that he could probably do the new
vented seats after market AND the factory is working on a new USS
design, that is more Vision like, with the bars coming out of the fork
instead of the top of the head set. This is to facilitate more turning
radius.

Excel sports in Boulder CO has the 9.0 SL top-of-the-line SRAM shifters
for $29.95:

http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=ESP+9%2E0+SL+9+Speed+Half+\
Pipe+Shifters&vendorCode=SRAM&major=2&minor=20

Also they have the next level down for $19.95:

http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=ESP+9%2E0+9+Speed+Half+Pip\
e+Shifters&vendorCode=SRAM&major=2&minor=20

Here's the problem with these shifters.  First, they are NINE speed.
However, as far as I can tell, the front derailleur shifter is the same
for both 8 and 9 speed models.  My 8 speed shifter (SRAM X-7) that came
with the bike works perfectly. So for now I am only upgrading the front
derailleur shifter.  I have plans for a future change to 9 speed, so I
already have the shifter when I am ready.

Here's a generic problem with these shifters.  There are both index and
micro-adjust versions.  Unfortunately very few online bike stores
indicate which version they sell.  I took a chance on the set from Excel
sports, and as luck would have it, I got the micro adjust.

Just my guess, but Actionbent would be better off shipping the
micro-adjust version of the shifters with the Jetstreams, rather than
the indexed model.  I will have a stronger opinion on this tomorrow,
after I get a few miles on the bike with the micro-adjust.

Greg

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 19:55, bentbiker wrote:
> where did you find the good deal on the shifters with micro adjust?

I did essentially the same thing you did, being very careful the cable
is running correctly over the tab. I'm going to try another crankset
tomorow, I think the problem is the  cheap crankset has the rings to far
away from the derailleur post, i'll let you know.

gsraven wrote:

> I'd like to hear how the Jetstream's front derailleur is working on
> your bikes.  I had a devil of a time getting mine to work.  The secret
> was to leave quite a bit of slack in the cable when clamping it down.
> It now shifts very nicely from the smallest chainring to the middle,
> but the shift from middle to largest chainring requires a LOT of
> twisting force to get the SRAM shifter into position 3.
>
> I found a really great deal on a set of "half pipe" shifters which
> have the "micro adjust" feature.  I am hoping I can get the front
> shifter in this set to be a bit more user friendly.  At the very least
> there is more surface area to grip when shifting, so that factor alone
> should help.
>
> Gre
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I have a long torso also, and it works well, seat is comfy. It did dig
inSLIGHTLY,  initially, but while sitting in the seat, I leaned back
extremely hard to force the top to bend or slacken a  hair bit, and it
seems fine now. I'm not positive if it would fit your x-seam, but it
probably would.

hossandtheposse wrote:

> Hey Ya'll,
> also new to the recumbent scene and very interested in the entry
> level pricing/decent quality setup Actionbent offers.  I have rented
> various models locally to get a feel for being bent and am ready to
> make a purchase.  My concern is going through all the hassles I've
> heard about (i.e., poor shipping, missing parts, difficult assembly,
> etc.) only to have a bike that doesn't fit.  I am 6'5", x-seam of
> 47" and a fairly long torso @ 29.5".  I understand the bike will
> probably extend out far enough to accomodate my x-seam, if I add a
> few links to the chain.  Any owners able to comment on the new seat
> and whether I'll be able to sit in it without the upper support
> ending up as a dagger between my shoulder blades?  Does it appear as
> if it is able to be modified?  Appreciate your comments...Jeff
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-----Original Message-----
From: hossandtheposse [mailto:hossandtheposse@...]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:13 AM
To: actionbent@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [actionbent] Sizing via mail

Hey Ya'll,
also new to the recumbent scene and very interested in the entry
level pricing/decent quality setup Actionbent offers.  I have rented
various models locally to get a feel for being bent and am ready to
make a purchase.  My concern is going through all the hassles I've
heard about (i.e., poor shipping, missing parts, difficult assembly,
etc.) only to have a bike that doesn't fit.  I am 6'5", x-seam of
47" and a fairly long torso @ 29.5".  I understand the bike will
probably extend out far enough to accomodate my x-seam, if I add a
few links to the chain.  Any owners able to comment on the new seat
and whether I'll be able to sit in it without the upper support
ending up as a dagger between my shoulder blades?  Does it appear as
if it is able to be modified?  Appreciate your comments...Jeff



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Hey Ya'll,
also new to the recumbent scene and very interested in the entry
level pricing/decent quality setup Actionbent offers.  I have rented
various models locally to get a feel for being bent and am ready to
make a purchase.  My concern is going through all the hassles I've
heard about (i.e., poor shipping, missing parts, difficult assembly,
etc.) only to have a bike that doesn't fit.  I am 6'5", x-seam of
47" and a fairly long torso @ 29.5".  I understand the bike will
probably extend out far enough to accomodate my x-seam, if I add a
few links to the chain.  Any owners able to comment on the new seat
and whether I'll be able to sit in it without the upper support
ending up as a dagger between my shoulder blades?  Does it appear as
if it is able to be modified?  Appreciate your comments...Jeff

I'd like to hear how the Jetstream's front derailleur is working on
your bikes.  I had a devil of a time getting mine to work.  The secret
was to leave quite a bit of slack in the cable when clamping it down.
  It now shifts very nicely from the smallest chainring to the middle,
but the shift from middle to largest chainring requires a LOT of
twisting force to get the SRAM shifter into position 3.

I found a really great deal on a set of "half pipe" shifters which
have the "micro adjust" feature.  I am hoping I can get the front
shifter in this set to be a bit more user friendly.  At the very least
there is more surface area to grip when shifting, so that factor alone
should help.

Gre

at this point in my "career" I honestly like both equally well. I'm
riding  the USS actionbent and a OSS vision. don't follow my lead, find
one bike you like, and ride a long time!

gsraven wrote:

> Wow, that's a LOT of experience with recumbents.  I'm curious, after
> owning both OSS and USS, do you have a preference, or is it a bike
> dependent thing ?
>
> Greg
>
>
> --- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, bentbiker <bentbiker@a...> wrote:
> > Greg, i've been riding bents since the late eighties [owning over 60],
> > my experience, on the same bike, OSS can generate about another 1mph in
> > speed. Comparing different models is not applicable, i.e. comparing a
> > v-rex to a haluzak for example. I've had both OSS/USS in vision and
> Rans
> > rocket.
> >
> > gsraven wrote:
>
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In the files section, PDF manuals on various components used on
Actionbents.
Let me know if any are missing.

Now, it would be nice for someone to make some images of correct
shifter and brake cable routing.  You probably do not need this if you
bought a Tidal Wave, as they are apparently almost fully assembled.
The Jet Streams are more of a kit.  Unfortunately the documentation
with the bike and the images on the Actionbent web site are not very
useful.

I think I got the cables routed correctly, but it would have gone
faster with some good diagrams.

Greg

Wow, that's a LOT of experience with recumbents.  I'm curious, after
owning both OSS and USS, do you have a preference, or is it a bike
dependent thing ?

Greg


--- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, bentbiker <bentbiker@a...> wrote:
> Greg, i've been riding bents since the late eighties [owning over 60],
> my experience, on the same bike, OSS can generate about another 1mph in
> speed. Comparing different models is not applicable, i.e. comparing a
> v-rex to a haluzak for example. I've had both OSS/USS in vision and
Rans
> rocket.
>
> gsraven wrote:

Greg, i've been riding bents since the late eighties [owning over 60],
my experience, on the same bike, OSS can generate about another 1mph in
speed. Comparing different models is not applicable, i.e. comparing a
v-rex to a haluzak for example. I've had both OSS/USS in vision and Rans
rocket.

gsraven wrote:

> I wanted to get the yahoo group search issue resolved before further
> promoting the group.  That's fixed, so I will start getting the word
> out.
>
> I wanted to ask you about the Actionbent vs. Corsa.  That's very
> interesting.  I've been riding with a friend who has a Tidal Wave
> (with DF road bikes), and the Tidal Wave was very impressive.  My
> friend has no problem maintaining 20+ mph, and he seems to be able to
> pull the line with little trouble.  What I am curious about now is
> how much speed difference there is between underseat and overseat
> steering.
>
> I am planning a series of experiments and upgrades over the next few
> months on the Jetstream.  However, I will be doing this slowly as I
> gain experience as a rider on this thing.  It's clearly going to take
> some time to build confidence on this bike.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> --- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Hernandez"
> <bentwheeler@A...> wrote:
> > We picked up 11 members in almost no time. A message in the BROL
> > message Board and the recumbent group (usenet) might help promote
> > this group too.
> >
> >
> > I have yet to check out that Park but will do so in the near
> future.
> > I think that the difference in speed performance between my
> Bacchetta
> > Corsa and the JetStream is not a significant one. These little
> bikes
> > really do well in the speed dept.
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I wanted to get the yahoo group search issue resolved before further
promoting the group.  That's fixed, so I will start getting the word
out.

I wanted to ask you about the Actionbent vs. Corsa.  That's very
interesting.  I've been riding with a friend who has a Tidal Wave
(with DF road bikes), and the Tidal Wave was very impressive.  My
friend has no problem maintaining 20+ mph, and he seems to be able to
pull the line with little trouble.  What I am curious about now is
how much speed difference there is between underseat and overseat
steering.

I am planning a series of experiments and upgrades over the next few
months on the Jetstream.  However, I will be doing this slowly as I
gain experience as a rider on this thing.  It's clearly going to take
some time to build confidence on this bike.

Greg



--- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Hernandez"
<bentwheeler@A...> wrote:
> We picked up 11 members in almost no time. A message in the BROL
> message Board and the recumbent group (usenet) might help promote
> this group too.
>
>
> I have yet to check out that Park but will do so in the near
future.
> I think that the difference in speed performance between my
Bacchetta
> Corsa and the JetStream is not a significant one. These little
bikes
> really do well in the speed dept.
://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders

that's very interesting Jose, that you feel the AB is close to a Corsa!

Jose A. Hernandez wrote:

> We picked up 11 members in almost no time. A message in the BROL
> message Board and the recumbent group (usenet) might help promote
> this group too.
>
>
> I have yet to check out that Park but will do so in the near future.
> I think that the difference in speed performance between my Bacchetta
> Corsa and the JetStream is not a significant one. These little bikes
> really do well in the speed dept.
>
>
> --- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, "gsraven" <gsraven@b...> wrote:
> > Jose, thanks for adding the links.  I am not doing the Century,
> > however, I will be riding a bit on Saturday morning with the
> Motorola
> > group in Weston.  I'm training for the Weston half marathon in
> > December, so running takes precedence over biking for now.
> >
> > I took the Jetstream for a pretty good ride last Sunday.  First
> time
> > on the road, away from the neighborhood.  It went OK, except for
> > starting with the clipless pedals which is going to take some time
> to
> > learn, just like it did on the conventional road bike.
> >
> > Also, I rode to the Vista View Park in Davie which has a pretty
> good
> > hill going up the trash mound.  I found no problem climbing that
> hill
> > which was quite pleasing.  I did not get a good comparison "roll
> down
> > test" due to high wind blowing straight up the hill.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > --- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Hernandez" <Jose@B...>
> > wrote:
> > > Greg,
> > >
> > > Im going to list your link in the South Florida Recumbent Group
> > Sites
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders
> > >
> > > And also, Im working on a "links" page in my own site
> > > http://www.getbent.org where a link to this group will be
> included.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps a little.
> > >
> > > BTW, are you planning to do the South Broward Wheelers Century
> next
> > > Sunday or the Recumbent Sanibel Invasion the following weekend??
> > >
> > > Jose A. Hernandez
> > > "Recumbent Cycling Means NEVER Having to Say You're Sore!"
> > > http://www.getbent.org
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders
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Joe, how about posting a picture with the single idler set up for us? I
actually put the top chain on mine, on top of the upper roller, with the
chain tube going under the seat, not bad, but not great, i'm probably
going to switch it. Also, has anyone done any mods to the USS bars/stem,
I put a longer stem on, and I can handle the seat interference, but it's
not ideal.

jklapholz wrote:

> Hi there Greg, I live in Hollywood, Fla. and am the proud owner of a
> Tidal Wave underseat model.
>
> I also had problems with the clipless pedals and went with a product
> called Power Grips which are easy to get in and out of and don't have
> the cage of the old rat traps.  Its interesting how owners have
> similar issues.
>
> Jose suggested replacement of the idler wheels in favor of a single
> wheel unit and it works great.  No noise except the the sound of the
> wind going past my helmet.
>
> Great idea for the web site.
>
> Joe Klapholz
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What color did you get the bike in Bob?

Bob Schaar wrote:

>
> Hi all,  I'm a "newby" to this group (although I think we all are).
> I'm a proud Actionbent owner, having just recieved my Jet Stream back
> from the bike shop last night.  With the cold weather settling in to
> Michigan, (I'm from Westphalia, Mich), I'm not too confident that I'll
> get the opportunity to ride any more this year/season.
>
> One tip I'd like to offer is a way to quiet the chain on the idler
> wheels.  I took a spare innertube (27X1-1/8) and cut two slices from
> the tube the width of the idler wheel, and stretched them onto the
> wheel itself so the chain is riding on rubber, and not hard plastic.
> Seems to work out fine !  I don't know how long the rubber will last,
> but one tube should last you a long time !
>
>
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We picked up 11 members in almost no time. A message in the BROL
message Board and the recumbent group (usenet) might help promote
this group too.


I have yet to check out that Park but will do so in the near future.
I think that the difference in speed performance between my Bacchetta
Corsa and the JetStream is not a significant one. These little bikes
really do well in the speed dept.


--- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, "gsraven" <gsraven@b...> wrote:
> Jose, thanks for adding the links.  I am not doing the Century,
> however, I will be riding a bit on Saturday morning with the
Motorola
> group in Weston.  I'm training for the Weston half marathon in
> December, so running takes precedence over biking for now.
>
> I took the Jetstream for a pretty good ride last Sunday.  First
time
> on the road, away from the neighborhood.  It went OK, except for
> starting with the clipless pedals which is going to take some time
to
> learn, just like it did on the conventional road bike.
>
> Also, I rode to the Vista View Park in Davie which has a pretty
good
> hill going up the trash mound.  I found no problem climbing that
hill
> which was quite pleasing.  I did not get a good comparison "roll
down
> test" due to high wind blowing straight up the hill.
>
> Greg
>
> --- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Hernandez" <Jose@B...>
> wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > Im going to list your link in the South Florida Recumbent Group
> Sites
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders
> >
> > And also, Im working on a "links" page in my own site
> > http://www.getbent.org where a link to this group will be
included.
> >
> > Hope this helps a little.
> >
> > BTW, are you planning to do the South Broward Wheelers Century
next
> > Sunday or the Recumbent Sanibel Invasion the following weekend??
> >
> > Jose A. Hernandez
> > "Recumbent Cycling Means NEVER Having to Say You're Sore!"
> > http://www.getbent.org
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders

-----Original Message-----
From: jklapholz [mailto:what4man@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:16 PM
To: actionbent@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [actionbent] Howdy Greg

Hi there Greg, I live in Hollywood, Fla. and am the proud owner of a
Tidal Wave underseat model. 

I also had problems with the clipless pedals and went with a product
called Power Grips which are easy to get in and out of and don't have
the cage of the old rat traps.  Its interesting how owners have
similar issues.

Jose suggested replacement of the idler wheels in favor of a single
wheel unit and it works great.  No noise except the the sound of the
wind going past my helmet.

Great idea for the web site.

Joe Klapholz



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Hi there Greg, I live in Hollywood, Fla. and am the proud owner of a
Tidal Wave underseat model.

I also had problems with the clipless pedals and went with a product
called Power Grips which are easy to get in and out of and don't have
the cage of the old rat traps.  Its interesting how owners have
similar issues.

Jose suggested replacement of the idler wheels in favor of a single
wheel unit and it works great.  No noise except the the sound of the
wind going past my helmet.

Great idea for the web site.

Joe Klapholz

Hi all,  I'm a "newby" to this group (although I think we all are).  I'm a proud
Actionbent owner, having just recieved my Jet Stream back from the bike shop
last night.  With the cold weather settling in to Michigan, (I'm from
Westphalia, Mich), I'm not too confident that I'll get the opportunity to ride
any more this year/season.

One tip I'd like to offer is a way to quiet the chain on the idler wheels.  I
took a spare innertube (27X1-1/8) and cut two slices from the tube the width of
the idler wheel, and stretched them onto the wheel itself so the chain is riding
on rubber, and not hard plastic.  Seems to work out fine !  I don't know how
long the rubber will last,  but one tube should last you a long time !


Bob Schaar
Facilities Supervisor
Michigan Economic Development Corporation
(517) 241-0543-desk
(517) 719-8330-cell
schaarb@...

Jose, thanks for adding the links.  I am not doing the Century,
however, I will be riding a bit on Saturday morning with the Motorola
group in Weston.  I'm training for the Weston half marathon in
December, so running takes precedence over biking for now.

I took the Jetstream for a pretty good ride last Sunday.  First time
on the road, away from the neighborhood.  It went OK, except for
starting with the clipless pedals which is going to take some time to
learn, just like it did on the conventional road bike.

Also, I rode to the Vista View Park in Davie which has a pretty good
hill going up the trash mound.  I found no problem climbing that hill
which was quite pleasing.  I did not get a good comparison "roll down
test" due to high wind blowing straight up the hill.

Greg

--- In actionbent@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Hernandez" <Jose@B...>
wrote:
> Greg,
>
> Im going to list your link in the South Florida Recumbent Group
Sites
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders
>
> And also, Im working on a "links" page in my own site
> http://www.getbent.org where a link to this group will be included.
>
> Hope this helps a little.
>
> BTW, are you planning to do the South Broward Wheelers Century next
> Sunday or the Recumbent Sanibel Invasion the following weekend??
>
> Jose A. Hernandez
> "Recumbent Cycling Means NEVER Having to Say You're Sore!"
> http://www.getbent.org
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders

Greg,

Im going to list your link in the South Florida Recumbent Group Sites
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders

And also, Im working on a "links" page in my own site
http://www.getbent.org where a link to this group will be included.

Hope this helps a little.

BTW, are you planning to do the South Broward Wheelers Century next
Sunday or the Recumbent Sanibel Invasion the following weekend??

Jose A. Hernandez
"Recumbent Cycling Means NEVER Having to Say You're Sore!"
http://www.getbent.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders

I have created two albums in the Photos section:

1.  Bags- I found a very small backpack at Walmart that seems to be
almost custom made for the Actionbent seat.  3 images show how well it
fits.

2.  Speedometers- A Cateye speedometer with cadence meter mounted on
the front derailleur post.  You can see how the cadence sensor is
mounted in a hole drilled in the plastic pipe.  The pipe is sprinkler
riser available at Home Depot for about 25 cents.  All it needs is a
bit of filing, drilling, and sanding and you will have a fine mounting
bracket.  It is attached to the derailleur post with a cable tie.

Greg

Looking for someone with group creation experience.  I thought I had
set up the group such that it would be listed in the Yahoo group listings.
When I do a search on "actionbent" it does not find it.

Is something set wrong, or does it take a while for the listing to
become active ?

Greg

Keep your eyes on ebay, a used one has already been auctioned:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3633970571&category=7298


On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 00:22, axvxia wrote:
> I want one so bad :(
>
> I'm a poor college student, though, and it would probably just get
> stolen.

I want one so bad :(

I'm a poor college student, though, and it would probably just get
stolen.

Welcome from your moderator, Greg Raven.  I live in Plantation,
Florida.  I recently purchased an Actionbent "Jet Stream" underseat
steering model.  This is my first "recumbent" bike after owning
several conventional "diamond frame" bikes over the years.

This group is intended for owners (and those interested in owning) of
Actionbent bicycles to discuss their bikes, modifications, and ride
experiences on these machines.

Welcome and good riding,
Greg