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#17924 From: saul pulido <temohead@...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2007 8:30 am
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Grossman dresses as QB for Halloween
Frightens local kids and adults half to death
Wednesday, Oct. 31, 2007




Backup quarterback Rex Grossman took his costume too far Wednesday as he trick-or-treated through Lake Forest dressed as an NFL starting quarterback, scaring the living crap out of adults and children.

"
I saw Rex holding the ball and had flashbacks of the New Year's Eve game against Green Bay," said Ron Gordon, a neighbor of the Grossman's. "I don't care if this is Satan's holiday, nobody deserves to relive those horrible times. Bad Rex!"

Grossman, who dressed as a first-half MVP candidate last year, has defended his choice in costume.

"I thought the kids would get a kick out of it," said Grossman. "My neighbor was Freddy Krueger, who stalks and kills victims in their sleep. Compared to that, how scary is my quarterback rating?"

Lake Forest authorities have not yet decided if they'll press charges against Grossman, but plan to egg his house Wednesday night either way.

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#17923 From: "bill" <andersoxy@...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2007 1:28 am
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] Sox wave goodbye to....
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**TELL US IT'S TRUE!  PLEASE, TELL US IT'S TRUE AND YOUR NOT JUST
PULLING OUR LEGS!!
GM Bill
P.S.  I know it's not true. At least not yet.  I checked.

-- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, writerly@... wrote:
>
> Buyout on Uribe!  Buyout on Uribe!
>
> --
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> Author of the Head Case rock series
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Joan <joan710@...>: ----------
----
>
>
> > Sox decline options on Erstad, Myers
> > By Mark Gonzales, 9:39 a.m.
> >
> > The White Sox declined the 2008 options on first
> > baseman-outfielder Darin Erstad and left-handed
> > reliever Mike Myers, making both players free agents.
> >
> > Erstad, whose 2007 season was plagued by injuries,
> > will be given a $250,000 buyout. He had hoped that the
> > Sox would pick up a $3.5 million for 2008, but he
> > batted only .248 in 87 games and saw his playing time
> > diminish in the second half.
> >
> > Myers, 38, was signed as a free agent in
> > mid-September. There was no buyout in Myers' contract.
> > He had an 11.20 ERA in 17 appearances with the Sox
> > after being released by the New York Yankees.
> >
> > The Sox now have 37 players on their 40-man roster.
> > They have until Nov. 7 to decide whether to pick up
> > the $5 million option on shortstop Juan Uribe or give
> > him a $300,000 buyout.
> >
> >
> >
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#17922 From: "bill" <andersoxy@...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2007 12:42 am
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] Question
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--- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Phillips"
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>
> I don't like that trade.  First of all, the Angels would never
trade all
> those guys as they would go the free agent route to fill up any
holes they
> might have.  I think the White Sox should do the same and keep
what we
> have.  It's silly to trade players when you can just sign a free
agent
> without giving up much of anything.  Now if it's the middle of the
season
> before the trade deadline and you have soon to be free agent
players left on
> your team then that is a different story.
>

**First of all the Angels would, IMO, trade several of their backups
for a top of the line slugger like PKon.  Secondly, I don't know if
you've noticed, but teams can't just sign a free agent.  It's up to
the FA to decide where he signs.  All the teams can do is make an
offer.  Thirdly, again I don't know if you've noticed but it is a
very, VERY weak free agent class this off season.  Other than ARod
their isn't one top of the line slugger out there and there isn't
one, not one truly top notch starting pithcer out there.  ARod would
fill the Angels bill for a 3rd baseman and protection for Vlad but
why sign him for gazillions when you could trade back ups for a much
more reasonably priced PKon, who the Angels tried to sign just 2
years ago to back up Vlad in their order?  We have to take advantage
of the weak FA class and fill our needs by trade using what we have
that will help other teams.  And I don't ever want our team to be
the kind of team that just tries to buy championships the way the
cnlbc did last off season.  That is not good for the game and I
loath teams that do it to excess.  I have nothing against signing
the occasional FA to fill a need but to just say "it's silly to
trade a player when you can just sign a free agent"- ridiculous.
The deal I proposed fills 3 needs.  To fill those 3 needs even in a
good FA season would cost tons of money.  Hopefully my team will
never do that kind of thing.
GM Bill


>
>
> On 10/30/07, william anderson <andersoxy@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > C'mon Bill Enquiring minds want to know.
> >
> >
> >
> > **OK, here it is- as long as your all going to keep pestering me
> > unendingly.
> > .
> > 1. Forget about signing a new CF- Rowand, Hunter or anyone else.
> > .
> > 2. Forget about signing any superstar positon players- ARod or
> > anyone else.
> > .
> > 3. Here's what I'm going to do if (when) I'm named GM (in a
perfect
> > trade world).
> > .
> > 4. We trade Konerko to the Angels for: OF Reggie Willits, INF
> > Maicer Izturis, RHRP either Scott Schields or Justin Spier and a
> > good solid pitching prospect. I know it seems we should get a
> > proven star back for PKon but I think our club needs more role
type
> > players than stars. Then.....
> > .
> > 5. Willits plays LF and leads off. Last season, in semi-regular
> > duty for LA he hit .293 with a .391!!! OB% and 27 steals in 35
> > attempts. Jerry Owens bats second and plays CF. Josh Fields
> > replaces PKon at 1st and bats 3rd. With 2 jack rabbit/base
stealers
> > in front of him and proven hitters like Thome and Dye behind him
> > Fields should get a lot of fastballs to hit. Crede, assuming he's
> > healthy, plays 3rd and hits 6th with AJ 7th. Izturis (.289, .349
> > OB%, 7 of 8 SB) plays SS and hits 8th and Richar 9th. That's 4
fast
> > guys in a row in the lineup in front of Thome & Dye. We'll have
> > somewhat less power but much more speed and a greater ability to
hit
> > and run and manufacture runs as Ozzy says he wants. Schields or
> > Spier become our RH 8th inning guy, replacing McDougal, who drops
> > into the 7h inning spot.
> > .
> > The trade makes sense for both teams IMO as LA gets the hitter
they
> > need to bat behind Vlad. The players we get are all semi regulars
> > for LA and they have replacements for them already. They would be
> > regulars for us. The trade is a bit risky I suppose but we're
going
> > to have to take a chance to fill our holes and this deal fills 3
at
> > once.
> > .
> > 6. Then we trade Garland even up to Colorado for LHRP Brian
Fuentes
> > (3-5, 3.08, 1.13 WHIP, 56 K's in 61 IP). Fuentes had been
Colorados
> > closer for several seasons but, for some reason, they switched
him
> > to set up in mid season and made Manny Corpas their closer.
> > Obviously Colorado could use some more starters and they have a
> > fairly deep bullpen and we need another set up guy. Fuentes joins
> > either Schields or Spier (from the Angels) as our LH 8th inning
guy
> > and Thornton drops to the 7th inning left hander.
> > .
> > Another set up guy we should think seriously about signing is
St.L
> > right hander Russ Springer, who may file for FA soon. He was
> > brillaint last season (8-1, 2.18, 0.91 WHIP, only 41 hits and 19
BBs
> > with 66 Ks in 66 IP) last season.
> > .
> > We're going to have to find another starter to replace JGar.
> > Vazquez and Buehrle are solid but the 3, 4 and 5 spots would the
be
> > up in the air (Contreras and 2 kids). Maybe we could sign Curt
> > Schilling.
> > .
> > OK, there you have it.
> > .
> > GM Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: bill<mailto:andersoxy@>
> > > To:
> > SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com <SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:SouthsideHitmen@... <SouthsideHitmen%40yahoogroups.co>
> > m>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:54 PM
> > > Subject: [SouthsideHitmen] Re: Question
> > >
> > >
> > > **I'd have to say NO! to Jones. Hunter I could live with but I
> > > think Jones is a very old 30 or 31. And he still has those
> > > arthritic knees. And a .222 avg. last season. Actually I'm
> > > starting to rethink the notion of signing any CF for next
> > season. I
> > > think the club would be better served going in another
> > direction.
> > > And that direction is........I'll let ya' know someday.
> > > GM Bill
> > >
> > > --- In SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com<SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:SouthsideHitmen% <SouthsideHitmen%25>
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Michael Barnard"
> > > <M_Barnard1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about Durham. I think Honel might be a bust. I
> > think
> > > he was hurt and dropped back down to single A from double A .
> > I'm
> > > not ready to give up on Anderson yet. As for Jones or
> > Hunter...if we
> > > could get either...I'd definitely take them ( but Hunter more
so
> > > than Jones.) -Mike B
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Joseph<mailto:soxfan42000@>
> > > > To:
> > > SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com <SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:SouthsideHitmen% <SouthsideHitmen%25>
> >
40yahoogroups.com><mailto:SouthsideHitmen@<mailto:SouthsideHitmen%
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> > 40yahoogroups.co>
> > > m>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:32 PM
> > > > Subject: [SouthsideHitmen] Question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone heard what's going on with Chad Durham? is he
still
> > > in the
> > > > Sox system? he was supposed to be a highly touted prospect.
> > and
> > > also
> > > > Kris Honel? local LHP. I'm tired of hearing about Jones and
> > > Hunter!!!
> > > > Anderson will probably just be a great late inning defensive
> > > guy?
> > > >
> > > > Joey
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

#17921 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] Sox wave goodbye to....
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I think you are right about that happening lol.  However, none of this means that Uribe or Erstad won't be on the White Sox next season.  It just means the Sox might try to renegotiate their salary down a bit.  Erstad for example was injured a lot and Uribe's value went down too since he is inconsistent and has gained 50 lbs since he was brought up in 2001.  Obviously players don't like this move and they usually end up going elsewhere even for less money like Ozzie did when he was a player and the Sox wouldn't pay his option which I think was really high at the time.


 
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Buyout on Uribe!  Buyout on Uribe!
 
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-------------- Original message from Joan <joan710@... >: --------------


> Sox decline options on Erstad, Myers
> By Mark Gonzales, 9:39 a.m.
>
> The White Sox declined the 2008 options on first
> baseman-outfielder Darin Erstad and left-handed
> reliever Mike Myers, making both players free agents.
>
> Erstad, whose 2007 season was plagued by injuries,
> will be given a $250,000 buyout. He had hoped that the
> Sox would pick up a $3.5 million for 2008, but he
> batted only .248 in 87 games and saw his playing time
> diminish in the second half.
>
> Myers, 38, was signed as a free agent in
> mid-September. There was no buyout in Myers' contract.
> He had an 11.20 ERA in 17 appearances with the Sox
> after being released by the New York Yankees.
>
&g t; The Sox now have 37 players on their 40-man roster.
> They have until Nov. 7 to decide whether to pick up
> the $5 million option on shortstop Juan Uribe or give
> him a $300,000 buyout.
>
>
>
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#17920 From: writerly@...
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:30 pm
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-------------- Original message from Joan <joan710@...>: --------------


> Sox decline options on Erstad, Myers
> By Mark Gonzales, 9:39 a.m.
>
> The White Sox declined the 2008 options on first
> baseman-outfielder Darin Erstad and left-handed
> reliever Mike Myers, making both players free agents.
>
> Erstad, whose 2007 season was plagued by injuries,
> will be given a $250,000 buyout. He had hoped that the
> Sox would pick up a $3.5 million for 2008, but he
> batted only .248 in 87 games and saw his playing time
> diminish in the second half.
>
> Myers, 38, was signed as a free agent in
> mid-September. There was no buyout in Myers' contract.
> He had an 11.20 ERA in 17 appearances with the Sox
> after being released by the New York Yankees.
>
&g t; The Sox now have 37 players on their 40-man roster.
> They have until Nov. 7 to decide whether to pick up
> the $5 million option on shortstop Juan Uribe or give
> him a $300,000 buyout.
>
>
>
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#17919 From: Joan <joan710@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:20 pm
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Sox decline options on Erstad, Myers
By Mark Gonzales, 9:39 a.m.

The White Sox declined the 2008 options on first
baseman-outfielder Darin Erstad and left-handed
reliever Mike Myers, making both players free agents.

Erstad, whose 2007 season was plagued by injuries,
will be given a $250,000 buyout. He had hoped that the
Sox would pick up a $3.5 million for 2008, but he
batted only .248 in 87 games and saw his playing time
diminish in the second half.

Myers, 38, was signed as a free agent in
mid-September. There was no buyout in Myers' contract.
He had an 11.20 ERA in 17 appearances with the Sox
after being released by the New York Yankees.

The Sox now have 37 players on their 40-man roster.
They have until Nov. 7 to decide whether to pick up
the $5 million option on shortstop Juan Uribe or give
him a $300,000 buyout.



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#17918 From: George Mullins <georgecatzi@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:35 pm
Subject: RE: [YCPIOTB] American League treating the NL as if it were a minor league
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I agree, John, the American League has been doing a much better job of playing the sport of baseball than those hepcats in the Senior Circuit.
 
I also have to believe that the designated hitter rule and especially interleague play have made a difference in the balance between the two leagues.

John Kivlin <jkivlin@...> wrote:
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It's true. I think Boston's AAA team at the start of this season could
probably compete with most NL teams. The AL has been the dominant
league for well over a decade now. The Yankees could have beat the
Diamondbacks and Marlins and the Tigers should have beat the Cards last
year based solely on the talent of the players at that time. The only
exception would be the 1997 World Series when the Marlins were better
than the Indians since Florida upped their payroll just to take a shot
and win which they did.

"I don't think anybody would debate that now the American League as a
whole seems to be a stronger league than the National league based on
their head-to-head meetings," Atlanta Braves president John Schuerholz
said. "But it is cyclical, as most anything in our game. I don't think
the American League is going to be dominant forever."

I think he's dead wrong. The national league teams are lying to
themselves if they think they keep operating without spending the money
the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels and to a lesser extent the Soxs and
Clevelands spend. The AL has been kicking the snot out of the NL for a
good decade straight and who do you think will be favored next season?
Does anyone really believe the Yankees won't be a playoff team with or
without Rodriguez or any of their other potential free agents? Please.
Add the much improved AL Central and and the Angels and the NL can't
touch this league. One need only look at what the Red Sox did to what
everyone considered to be the hottest team in baseball (sweep) to see
the Marlins and Cardinals winning were exceptions to the rule. Big
time. Gimme AL baseball any day.

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#17917 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:35 am
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] Tigers/Renteria
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I think the difference is that the Tigers have a lot of pitching talent in their farm system from all the years of finishing in last place.  Now that talent is big league ready but they have no place to put these guys on their roster.  Still with injuries that could potentially happen I think it's a dumb move by the Tigers because they could have just signed Eckstein instead and kept their pitchers.  They probably didn't do that because their fans hate Eckstein.

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I see the Tigers traded 2 minor leaguers to the Braves for SS Edgar
Renteria. OK, fine. It makes one of our rivals stronger. But what I
like it is the Tigers, realizing a need (they're going to move Carlos
Guillen to 1st next season) move quickly to shore up the need. They
get their fans excited right after the season ends. I wish KWill had
more of that in him. Renteria wasn't at the top of my SS wish list
but I'd take him any day over that piece of cheese we have at short.
GM Bill



#17916 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:31 am
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I don't like that trade.  First of all, the Angels would never trade all those guys as they would go the free agent route to fill up any holes they might have.  I think the White Sox should do the same and keep what we have.  It's silly to trade players when you can just sign a free agent without giving up much of anything.  Now if it's the middle of the season before the trade deadline and you have soon to be free agent players left on your team then that is a different story.


 
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>
> C'mon Bill Enquiring minds want to know. 



**OK, here it is- as long as your all going to keep pestering me
unendingly.
.
1. Forget about signing a new CF- Rowand, Hunter or anyone else.
.
2. Forget about signing any superstar positon players- ARod or
anyone else.
.
3. Here's what I'm going to do if (when) I'm named GM (in a perfect
trade world).
.
4. We trade Konerko to the Angels for: OF Reggie Willits, INF
Maicer Izturis, RHRP either Scott Schields or Justin Spier and a
good solid pitching prospect. I know it seems we should get a
proven star back for PKon but I think our club needs more role type
players than stars. Then.....
.
5. Willits plays LF and leads off. Last season, in semi-regular
duty for LA he hit .293 with a .391!!! OB% and 27 steals in 35
attempts. Jerry Owens bats second and plays CF. Josh Fields
replaces PKon at 1st and bats 3rd. With 2 jack rabbit/base stealers
in front of him and proven hitters like Thome and Dye behind him
Fields should get a lot of fastballs to hit. Crede, assuming he's
healthy, plays 3rd and hits 6th with AJ 7th. Izturis (.289, .349
OB%, 7 of 8 SB) plays SS and hits 8th and Richar 9th. That's 4 fast
guys in a row in the lineup in front of Thome & Dye. We'll have
somewhat less power but much more speed and a greater ability to hit
and run and manufacture runs as Ozzy says he wants. Schields or
Spier become our RH 8th inning guy, replacing McDougal, who drops
into the 7h inning spot.
.
The trade makes sense for both teams IMO as LA gets the hitter they
need to bat behind Vlad. The players we get are all semi regulars
for LA and they have replacements for them already. They would be
regulars for us. The trade is a bit risky I suppose but we're going
to have to take a chance to fill our holes and this deal fills 3 at
once.
.
6. Then we trade Garland even up to Colorado for LHRP Brian Fuentes
(3-5, 3.08, 1.13 WHIP, 56 K's in 61 IP). Fuentes had been Colorados
closer for several seasons but, for some reason, they switched him
to set up in mid season and made Manny Corpas their closer.
Obviously Colorado could use some more starters and they have a
fairly deep bullpen and we need another set up guy. Fuentes joins
either Schields or Spier (from the Angels) as our LH 8th inning guy
and Thornton drops to the 7th inning left hander.
.
Another set up guy we should think seriously about signing is St.L
right hander Russ Springer, who may file for FA soon. He was
brillaint last season (8-1, 2.18, 0.91 WHIP, only 41 hits and 19 BBs
with 66 Ks in 66 IP) last season.
.
We're going to have to find another starter to replace JGar.
Vazquez and Buehrle are solid but the 3, 4 and 5 spots would the be
up in the air (Contreras and 2 kids). Maybe we could sign Curt
Schilling.
.
OK, there you have it.
.
GM Bill




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bill<mailto:andersoxy@...>
> To:
SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com<mailto:SouthsideHitmen@...
m>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:54 PM
> Subject: [SouthsideHitmen] Re: Question
>
>
> **I'd have to say NO! to Jones. Hunter I could live with but I
> think Jones is a very old 30 or 31. And he still has those
> arthritic knees. And a .222 avg. last season. Actually I'm
> starting to rethink the notion of signing any CF for next
season. I
> think the club would be better served going in another
direction.
> And that direction is........I'll let ya' know someday.
> GM Bill
>
> --- In SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com<mailto: SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Michael Barnard"
> <M_Barnard1@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure about Durham. I think Honel might be a bust. I
think
> he was hurt and dropped back down to single A from double A .
I'm
> not ready to give up on Anderson yet. As for Jones or
Hunter...if we
> could get either...I'd definitely take them ( but Hunter more so
> than Jones.) -Mike B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joseph<mailto: soxfan42000@>
> > To:
> SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com<mailto: SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.com><mailto: SouthsideHitmen@...<mailto:SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.co>
> m>
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:32 PM
> > Subject: [SouthsideHitmen] Question
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Has anyone heard what's going on with Chad Durham? is he still
> in the
> > Sox system? he was supposed to be a highly touted prospect.
and
> also
> > Kris Honel? local LHP. I'm tired of hearing about Jones and
> Hunter!!!
> > Anderson will probably just be a great late inning defensive
> guy?
> >
> > Joey
> >
>



#17915 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] Erstad/Myers
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I agree.  Erstad is obviously at the tail end of his career so why even bother especially if he is on the DL all the time.  We already have Pods who is on the DL quite a bit so having two players like that doesn't make any sense.

On 10/30/07, Matt Savage <soxguy35@...> wrote:

Ahh yes, Erstad.  In the last two years, he's played in less games than he did in 2005.  His batting average has dropped these last two years (from a .273 average in 2005) as well as his OBP (down from .325 in 2005 which isn't really good anyways).  On a team sorely needing players at the top of the order who can simply get on base and stay in the lineup consistently, Erstad doesn't look like the smart choice.  Plus there isn't really room for him with a possible outfield of Fields, Owens, and Dye already and another free agent such as Rowand or Hunter coming into man center.

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#17914 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:22 am
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] ARod/ Torre
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I don't think A-Rod cares about managers, he cares about money.  He played for the Rangers after all and he knew they had no chance of winning anything.  The Dodgers might be able to use A-Rod but from what I have read they aren't that interested in him.  They might think Torre is a good fit to manager their pitching staff is all. 


 
On 10/30/07, william anderson <andersoxy@...> wrote:

 
 

 

It is my firm and unshakeable belief that the Dodgers are courting Joe
Torre to become their manager so they have a better chance of signing
ARod.
GM Bill



#17913 From: Matt Savage <soxguy35@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:39 am
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] Erstad/Myers
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Ahh yes, Erstad.  In the last two years, he's played in less games than he did in 2005.  His batting average has dropped these last two years (from a .273 average in 2005) as well as his OBP (down from .325 in 2005 which isn't really good anyways).  On a team sorely needing players at the top of the order who can simply get on base and stay in the lineup consistently, Erstad doesn't look like the smart choice.  Plus there isn't really room for him with a possible outfield of Fields, Owens, and Dye already and another free agent such as Rowand or Hunter coming into man center.

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#17912 From: "william anderson" <andersoxy@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:35 am
Subject: Question
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>
> C'mon Bill Enquiring minds want to know. 



**OK, here it is- as long as your all going to keep pestering me
unendingly.
.
1. Forget about signing a new CF- Rowand, Hunter or anyone else.
.
2. Forget about signing any superstar positon players- ARod or
anyone else.
.
3. Here's what I'm going to do if (when) I'm named GM (in a perfect
trade world).
.
4. We trade Konerko to the Angels for: OF Reggie Willits, INF
Maicer Izturis, RHRP either Scott Schields or Justin Spier and a
good solid pitching prospect. I know it seems we should get a
proven star back for PKon but I think our club needs more role type
players than stars. Then.....
.
5. Willits plays LF and leads off. Last season, in semi-regular
duty for LA he hit .293 with a .391!!! OB% and 27 steals in 35
attempts. Jerry Owens bats second and plays CF. Josh Fields
replaces PKon at 1st and bats 3rd. With 2 jack rabbit/base stealers
in front of him and proven hitters like Thome and Dye behind him
Fields should get a lot of fastballs to hit. Crede, assuming he's
healthy, plays 3rd and hits 6th with AJ 7th. Izturis (.289, .349
OB%, 7 of 8 SB) plays SS and hits 8th and Richar 9th. That's 4 fast
guys in a row in the lineup in front of Thome & Dye. We'll have
somewhat less power but much more speed and a greater ability to hit
and run and manufacture runs as Ozzy says he wants. Schields or
Spier become our RH 8th inning guy, replacing McDougal, who drops
into the 7h inning spot.
.
The trade makes sense for both teams IMO as LA gets the hitter they
need to bat behind Vlad. The players we get are all semi regulars
for LA and they have replacements for them already. They would be
regulars for us. The trade is a bit risky I suppose but we're going
to have to take a chance to fill our holes and this deal fills 3 at
once.
.
6. Then we trade Garland even up to Colorado for LHRP Brian Fuentes
(3-5, 3.08, 1.13 WHIP, 56 K's in 61 IP). Fuentes had been Colorados
closer for several seasons but, for some reason, they switched him
to set up in mid season and made Manny Corpas their closer.
Obviously Colorado could use some more starters and they have a
fairly deep bullpen and we need another set up guy. Fuentes joins
either Schields or Spier (from the Angels) as our LH 8th inning guy
and Thornton drops to the 7th inning left hander.
.
Another set up guy we should think seriously about signing is St.L
right hander Russ Springer, who may file for FA soon. He was
brillaint last season (8-1, 2.18, 0.91 WHIP, only 41 hits and 19 BBs
with 66 Ks in 66 IP) last season.
.
We're going to have to find another starter to replace JGar.
Vazquez and Buehrle are solid but the 3, 4 and 5 spots would the be
up in the air (Contreras and 2 kids). Maybe we could sign Curt
Schilling.
.
OK, there you have it.
.
GM Bill




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bill<mailto:andersoxy@...>
> To:
SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com<mailto:SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.co
m>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:54 PM
> Subject: [SouthsideHitmen] Re: Question
>
>
> **I'd have to say NO! to Jones. Hunter I could live with but I
> think Jones is a very old 30 or 31. And he still has those
> arthritic knees. And a .222 avg. last season. Actually I'm
> starting to rethink the notion of signing any CF for next
season. I
> think the club would be better served going in another
direction.
> And that direction is........I'll let ya' know someday.
> GM Bill
>
> --- In SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com<mailto:SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Michael Barnard"
> <M_Barnard1@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure about Durham. I think Honel might be a bust. I
think
> he was hurt and dropped back down to single A from double A .
I'm
> not ready to give up on Anderson yet. As for Jones or
Hunter...if we
> could get either...I'd definitely take them ( but Hunter more so
> than Jones.) -Mike B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joseph<mailto:soxfan42000@>
> > To:
> SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com<mailto:SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.com><mailto:SouthsideHitmen@...<mailto:SouthsideHitmen%
40yahoogroups.co>
> m>
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:32 PM
> > Subject: [SouthsideHitmen] Question
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Has anyone heard what's going on with Chad Durham? is he still
> in the
> > Sox system? he was supposed to be a highly touted prospect.
and
> also
> > Kris Honel? local LHP. I'm tired of hearing about Jones and
> Hunter!!!
> > Anderson will probably just be a great late inning defensive
> guy?
> >
> > Joey
> >
>


#17911 From: "william anderson" <andersoxy@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:45 am
Subject: Erstad/Myers
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I see we've decided not to pick up the options on Erstad and Myers.
Mistake on the Erstad end. Myers- who cares. Now lets hope we soon
read "Sox decided to dump Uribe- move to bring in new SS".
GM Bill


#17910 From: "william anderson" <andersoxy@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:45 am
Subject: Tigers/Renteria
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I see the Tigers traded 2 minor leaguers to the Braves for SS Edgar
Renteria. OK, fine. It makes one of our rivals stronger. But what I
like it is the Tigers, realizing a need (they're going to move Carlos
Guillen to 1st next season) move quickly to shore up the need. They
get their fans excited right after the season ends. I wish KWill had
more of that in him. Renteria wasn't at the top of my SS wish list
but I'd take him any day over that piece of cheese we have at short.
GM Bill


#17909 From: "william anderson" <andersoxy@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:36 am
Subject: ARod/ Torre
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It is my firm and unshakeable belief that the Dodgers are courting Joe
Torre to become their manager so they have a better chance of signing
ARod.
GM Bill


#17908 From: Dena Briars <dbriars@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:46 am
Subject: The Official Site of Chicago White Sox: News: Chicago White Sox News
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#17907 From: writerly@...
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] OT: NHRA/Rowand
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I remember that.  It sounds like a lot of fun.
 
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-------------- Original message from "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>: --------------

I know from watching TWIB that Aaron has got a lot of his Philly teammates into racing remote controlled trucks.  These are pretty big and expensive toys too.  They get to field early and race them on the dirt before batting practice. 

 
On 10/30/07, writerly@... <writerly@...> wrote:

I don't know how many of you are NHRA fans, but on Sunday they talked to a "celebrity" who was at the race, and it was Aaron Rowand.  He is friends with one of the funny car drivers, and was invited to the race in Las Vegas this past weekend.  It was great to see him, and especially to see that he was considered a celebrity.  :)
 
--
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www.kathleenstrelow.com
Author of the Head Case rock series



#17906 From: "John Kivlin" <jkivlin@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:24 pm
Subject: RE: [YCPIOTB] American League treating the NL as if it were a minor league
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It's true.  I think Boston's AAA team at the start of this season could
probably compete with most NL teams.  The AL has been the dominant
league for well over a decade now.  The Yankees could have beat the
Diamondbacks and Marlins and the Tigers should have beat the Cards last
year based solely on the talent of the players at that time.  The only
exception would be the 1997 World Series when the Marlins were better
than the Indians since Florida upped their payroll just to take a shot
and win which they did.

"I don't think anybody would debate that now the American League as a
whole seems to be a stronger league than the National league based on
their head-to-head meetings," Atlanta Braves president John Schuerholz
said. "But it is cyclical, as most anything in our game. I don't think
the American League is going to be dominant forever."

I think he's dead wrong.  The national league teams are lying to
themselves if they think they keep operating without spending the money
the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels and to a lesser extent the Soxs and
Clevelands spend.  The AL has been kicking the snot out of the NL for a
good decade straight and who do you think will be favored next season?
Does anyone really believe the Yankees won't be a playoff team with or
without Rodriguez or any of their other potential free agents?  Please.
Add the much improved AL Central and and the Angels and the NL can't
touch this league.  One need only look at what the Red Sox did to what
everyone considered to be the hottest team in baseball (sweep) to see
the Marlins and Cardinals winning were exceptions to the rule.  Big
time.  Gimme AL baseball any day.

JK

#17905 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:15 pm
Subject: American League treating the NL as if it were a minor league
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It's true.  I think Boston's AAA team at the start of this season could probably compete with most NL teams.  The AL has been the dominant league for well over a decade now.  The Yankees could have beat the Diamondbacks and Marlins and the Tigers should have beat the Cards last year based solely on the talent of the players at that time.  The only exception would be the 1997 World Series when the Marlins were better than the Indians since Florida upped their payroll just to take a shot and win which they did.
 
======================================================
 
American League treating the NL as if it were a minor league
By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer
October 29, 2007

DENVER (AP) -- As the Boston Red Sox kept shooting double after double down the lines and into the gaps, the Cleveland Indians, Los Angeles Angels and New York Yankees must be have wondered whether they would have flattened the Rockies, too.

All four American League playoff teams might be better than any National League team this year.

"I think so," Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf said Sunday, "but it's just an opinion."

No, Jerry, it's more than an opinion. It's backed up by facts.

All four AL playoff teams had 94-96 wins. Arizona was the top team in the NL at 90-72. It would be an exaggeration to say the NL has become a glorified version of the Pacific Coast League, but some nights it sure seems that way.

"I think people look for too many answers and get too technical," Detroit Tigers manager Jim Leyland said Sunday before Boston completed its second World Series sweep in four years. "We certainly didn't tear it up any, we had our hands full in interleague play. I think a lot of it is timing, when you catch a team. I think the big leagues is pretty simple: It doesn't matter which league they're in, you play a team that's hot and you just get beat."

Let's look at interleague play, which began in mid-May and ended before the All-Star break. The AL went 137-115, down from 154-98 last year but the fourth straight season the AL held an advantage.

And the AL has won 10 consecutive All-Star games played to a decision, going 5-0 since the rule change that gave the All-Star winner home-field advantage in the World Series.

"I don't think anybody would debate that now the American League as a whole seems to be a stronger league than the National league based on their head-to-head meetings," Atlanta Braves president John Schuerholz said. "But it is cyclical, as most anything in our game. I don't think the American League is going to be dominant forever."

New York Mets general manager Omar Minaya also admits the AL was better this year.

"Boston and Cleveland have proven to be the two best teams," he said. "They've proven in the playoffs that they had the better seasons."

Sure, AL teams have the advantage of a full-time designated hitter in their ballparks and NL teams must improvise. But in the NL ballparks, AL clubs lose those big boppers unless they rejigger their defense.

Mathematically, that should even things out. But that hasn't been the case.

"Just a cycle," Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt said. "The AL has more veteran stars. The NL, like the AL of 20 years ago, is now the young league. It takes strong veteran leadership to get today's youth to rise to their potential."

Colorado appeared to be hampered by the eight-day layoff following its sweep of the Diamondbacks in the NL championship series, two more days than the layoff Tigers endured before they lost to St. Louis in five games. The Rockies, fourth in the NL West in mid-September, won 21 of 22 entering the Series. Then they were outscored by Boston 29-10 and were outhit .333 to .218.

"I don't think it's healthy for anyone to sit around for eight, but I thought that was disrespectful to the team that wins to use that as an excuse," Leyland said. "Last year, when we got beat, I credited the St. Louis Cardinals. It was nothing fluky. It was deserved, earned."

Of course, AL dominance hasn't shown in World Series titles. Since the New York Yankees won three in a row from 1998-2000, Arizona, Florida and St. Louis have won for the NL, and the Angels, Red Sox and Chicago White Sox have won for the AL.

Leyland read omens when Jacoby Ellsbury's blooper down the right-field line dropped for an RBI double in the eighth inning of Game 3. Despite all the statistical analysis, all the preparation, an inch or two sometimes decides games.

Think of Carlton Fisk's ball off Fenway Park's left-field foul pole. Or the roller through Bill Buckner's legs.

From all his nights in dugouts, Leyland can sense when games turn arbitrarily.

"Sometimes those things happen, and when they do, you know inside, in you gut," he said. "You don't have a good feeling when that stuff starts a happen."

AP Baseball Writer Ben Walker contributed to this report.

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#17904 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] OT: NHRA/Rowand
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I know from watching TWIB that Aaron has got a lot of his Philly teammates into racing remote controlled trucks.  These are pretty big and expensive toys too.  They get to field early and race them on the dirt before batting practice. 

 
On 10/30/07, writerly@... <writerly@...> wrote:

I don't know how many of you are NHRA fans, but on Sunday they talked to a "celebrity" who was at the race, and it was Aaron Rowand.  He is friends with one of the funny car drivers, and was invited to the race in Las Vegas this past weekend.  It was great to see him, and especially to see that he was considered a celebrity.  :)
 
--
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#17903 From: writerly@...
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:25 pm
Subject: OT: NHRA/Rowand
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I don't know how many of you are NHRA fans, but on Sunday they talked to a "celebrity" who was at the race, and it was Aaron Rowand.  He is friends with one of the funny car drivers, and was invited to the race in Las Vegas this past weekend.  It was great to see him, and especially to see that he was considered a celebrity.  :)
 
--
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Author of the Head Case rock series


#17902 From: Kevin Thoms <lnknprk42@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] New YCPIOTB Web Poll: Which free agent(s) would you like to see on the 2008 White Sox?
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Linebrink, cordero and castillo
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 1:08 pm, Mark Phillips wrote:
> To vote, go to this website: 
>
> http://markp8867.freepolls.com/cgi-bin/polls/030/poll_center.htm
>
> Which free agent(s) would you like to see on the 2008 White Sox?
>
> Francisco Cordero
>
> Torii Hunter
>
> Mariano Rivera
>
> Alex Rodriguez
>
> Aaron Rowand
>
> David Eckstein
>
> Scott Linebrink
>
> Luis Castillo
>
> Barry Bonds
>
> Other (specify in comments)
>
>
-Kev-

#17901 From: "John Kivlin" <jkivlin@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:14 pm
Subject: RE: [YCPIOTB] New YCPIOTB Web Poll: Which free agent(s) would you like to see on the 2008 White Sox?
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From: Mark Phillips [mailto:markp8867@...]

David Eckstein

This one is intriguing.  The Sox need a sparkplug.

#17900 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:08 pm
Subject: New YCPIOTB Web Poll: Which free agent(s) would you like to see on the 2008 White Sox?
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Which free agent(s) would you like to see on the 2008 White Sox?
 
 
Francisco Cordero
 
Torii Hunter
 
Mariano Rivera
 
Alex Rodriguez
 
Aaron Rowand
 
David Eckstein
 
Scott Linebrink
 
Luis Castillo
 
Barry Bonds
 
Other (specify in comments)
 
 
 

#17899 From: "Mark" <markp8867@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: White Sox could benefit from A-Rod's decision
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Unless the Yankees are going to include Joba Chamberlain in any deal,
there is nobody in the Yankees farm system who can help us.


--- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Phillips"
<markp8867@...> wrote:
>
> ESPN reported that Dora was working on a deal with the Yankees for 5
> years/150 million so this all may be moot.
>
> ===========================================================
>  *White Sox could benefit from A-Rod's decision*
>
> Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 8:58 am EDT
>
> Alex Rodriguez probably is too costly for Ken Williams' off-season
wish list, but the Chicago White Sox general manager just might
benefit from Rodriguez's free agency.
>
> If Rodriguez leaves, the New York Yankees could seek a third
> baseman unless they stick with perennial prospect Wilson
> Betemit, and the Sox may need to move one of their third basemen-Joe
> Crede or even Josh Fields-to shore up a shoddy bullpen in addition
to fortifying the top of the lineup and stabilizing the outfield.
>
> The Yankees have a surplus of young power arms, and the Sox's
evaluation of the Yankees' prospects started last summer and
continues into the Arizona Fall League.
>
Source: Chicago Tribune

#17898 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:22 pm
Subject: From mlb.com: 57 players file for free agency
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Who would be a good fit for the White Sox?  I'm guessing a lot of you will say Aaron Rowand lol.  That would be nice but I was thinking more along the lines of relief pitchers such as Jeremy Affeldt who now has postseason experience, Scott Linebrink, and Troy Percival.  They wouldn't cost much and they really couldn't make out bullpen any worse when you think about it.
 
I believe it's the relatively obscure signings and trades for players like these that can make or break a team.  The Red Sox for example were helped out big time by young players and the signing of their stellar relief pitcher Okajima who nobody really even paid much attention to before the season began.  All you ever heard of about the Red Sox before the season started was Dice-K but they couldn't have done it without their lesser known players like Ellsbury, Pedroia, and Youkilis.  And the year before they got Mike Lowell in a salary dump trade.  They were lucky that Lugo, Crisp, and Gagne didn't hurt them and they had the talent in their minor leagues to make up for those players lack of production.
 
The way I see the White Sox have a lot of work to do.  The minor league system has some future talent in starting pitching and some in outfield but that is about it.  The Sox need a SS (perhaps Eckstein) and a 2B who can steal bases such as Luis Castillo.  Those two guys would do a lot to improve the offense as well as defense too.  What do you think?
 
==========================================
 
 
Fifty-seven players filed for free agency on Monday.

Arizona
Cirillo, Jeff (3B); Hernandez, Livan (SP); Wickman, Bob (RP)

Atlanta
Franco, Julio (1B); Mahay, Ron (RP)

Chicago Cubs
Wood, Kerry L. (RP)

Cleveland
Nixon, Trot (OF)

Colorado
Affeldt, Jeremy (RP); Julio, Jorge (RP)

Detroit Tigers
Casey, Sean T. (1B); Jones, Todd (RP)

Florida
Benitez, Armando (RP)

Houston
Ausmus, Brad (C); Lamb, Mike (3B); Loretta, Mark D. (INF); Miller, Trever D. (RP); Moehler, Brian (RP); Palmeiro, Orlando (OF)

Kansas City
LaRue, Jason (C); Sanders, Reggie (OF)

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Colon, Bartolo (SP)

Milwaukee
Cordero, Francisco (RP); King, Ray (RP); Koskie, Corey L. (3B); Linebrink, Scott (RP); Miller, Damian (C)

Minnesota
Hunter, Torii K. (OF); Silva, Carlos (SP)

NY Mets
Anderson, Marlon (OF); Castillo, Luis A. (2B); Castro, Ramon Abraham (C); Easley, Damion (INF); Green, Shawn (OF); Lo Duca, Paul (C)

NY Yankees
Mientkiewicz, Doug A. (1B); Posada, Jorge (C); Rivera, Mariano (RP); Rodriguez, Alex (3B); Vizcaino, Luis (RP)

Oakland
DaVanon, Jeff (OF); Stewart, Shannon H. (OF)

Philadelphia
Lieber, Jon (SP); Mesa, Jose (RP); Nunez, Abraham O. (3B); Rowand, Aaron (OF)

Pittsburgh
Armas Jr., Tony (SP)

St. Louis
Cairo, Miguel J. (INF); Eckstein, David (SS); Percival, Troy (RP); Wells, Kip (SP)

San Diego
Barrett, Michael P. (C); Bradley, Milton (OF)

San Francisco
Bonds, Barry (OF); Feliz, Pedro (3B)

Toronto
Kennedy, Joe (P); Stairs, Matt (OF)

Washington
Fick, Robert (1B)

#17897 From: "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:51 pm
Subject: White Sox could benefit from A-Rod's decision
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ESPN reported that Dora was working on a deal with the Yankees for 5 years/150 million so this all may be moot.
 
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White Sox could benefit from A-Rod's decision

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 8:58 am EDT

Joe Crede

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Alex Rodriguez probably is too costly for Ken Williams' off-season wish list, but the Chicago White Sox general manager just might benefit from Rodriguez's free agency.

If Rodriguez leaves, the New York Yankees could seek a third baseman unless they stick with perennial prospect Wilson Betemit, and the Sox may need to move one of their third basemen-Joe Crede or even Josh Fields-to shore up a shoddy bullpen in addition to fortifying the top of the lineup and stabilizing the outfield.

The Yankees have a surplus of young power arms, and the Sox's evaluation of the Yankees' prospects started last summer and continues into the Arizona Fall League.

Source: Chicago Tribune


#17896 From: "bill" <andersoxy@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:29 am
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] Joe
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**Until Crede comes back and proves that he can still play and that
the back is healed (and that will take a half season minimum) he has
absolutely NO trade value.  None.  Zip.  Nada.  I predict he will be
resigned at an amount that is cost effective to the Sox (no one else
is going to take a chance on him) and will be given the 3rd base
job.  Fields will be playing first next season if Crede's back holds
out.
GM Bill

--- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Phillips"
<markp8867@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe he will be ready for spring training but with which team?
If Boston
> can't re-sign Lowell then it might be the Red Sox but of course
that is just
> speculation on my part.  Kenny would probably want pitchers in
return and
> maybe the ones he wanted for Buehrle who haven't yet played in the
big
> leagues yet.  I just hope he doesn't trade Crede for Crisp because
that deal
> would suck.


>
>
> On 10/28/07, Joan <joan710@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Crede OKd to prepare for spring
> > But contract, Fields' skills cloud return
> >
> > By Mark Gonzales | Tribune staff reporter
> > 10:33 PM CDT, October 26, 2007
> >
> > The White Sox solved one question Friday when they
> > learned third baseman Joe Crede had been cleared for
> > all baseball activity.
> >
> > Crede's progress from lower-back surgery June 12 gives
> > the Sox some assurance he will be ready before spring
> > training in mid-February and gives them options as
> > they try to improve a roster that lost 90 games in
> > 2007.
> >
> > Questions, however, remain about third base because
> > Crede can become a free agent after the 2008 season.
> > Josh Fields lacks Crede's defensive skills, but he was
> > moved back to third after a four-week stint in left
> > field late in the 2007 season.
> >
> > But Fields did hit 23 home runs in less than four
> > months with the Sox. General manager Ken Williams
> > scuttled plans to have him polish his outfield skills
> > in a 10-day stint this month in the Instructional
> > League in Arizona because he said Fields' legs were
> > fatigued.
> >
> > Crede and utility player Pablo Ozuna were reinstated
> > to the 40-man roster from the 60-day disabled list
> > Friday, and reliever Ryan Bukvich was outrighted to
> > Triple-A Charlotte. Bukvich declined his assignment
> > and will become a free agent.
> >
> > The moves leave the Sox with 39 players on the roster.
> > Teams cannot carry players on the 15- or 60-day DL
> > when 40-man rosters are required to be submitted by
> > Nov. 20.
> >
> > The value of Crede, who is eligible for arbitration,
> > will be an interesting topic for the Sox. He received
> > $4.94 million last season but played only 47 games,
> > hitting .216 with four homers. That was a considerable
> > drop from 2006, when he batted .283 with a career-high
> > 30 home runs.
> >
> > And despite an expected healthy return from Ozuna, who
> > missed the final four months because of a broken right
> > leg and a torn ligament in his right ankle, the Sox
> > are expected to seek a backup shortstop this winter as
> > well as a starting shortstop if they elect to buy out
> > Juan Uribe for $300,000.
> >
> > Since joining the Sox in 2005, Ozuna has played
> > primarily left field, third base and second base and
> > has played shortstop in only one game in the last two
> > seasons.
> >
> > The Sox could clear more space on their 40-man roster
> > if they decline the options on outfielder-first
> > baseman Darin Erstad, left-handed reliever Mike Myers
> > and Uribe, thus making them free agents.
> >
> > The Sox must put pitching prospects Adam Russell and
> > Jack Egbert on the 40-man roster by Nov. 20 or risk
> > losing them in the Rule 5 draft.
> >
> > Egbert was scheduled to start Friday night for the
> > East Division team in the Rising Stars Showcase at
> > Surprise, Ariz. He has a 3.68 ERA in three starts for
> > the Phoenix Desert Dogs of the Arizona Fall League.
> >
> > Bukvich, 29, had a 5.05 ERA in 45 appearances. He
> > joined the Sox organization last spring as a
> > non-roster invitee and was promoted June 5 after the
> > failures of David Aardsma and Mike MacDougal.
> >
> > http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/617662.php
> > http://www.uniwatchblog.com/
> > http://www.prosportsdaily.com/mlb/mlb-rumors.html
> > http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
> >
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#17895 From: writerly@...
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] 2 yrs ago.....3
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