-You're right...loser was an inappropriate word in that instance.
Moron is more apropos concerning this trade.  Buehrle is a durable,
reliable starter in his prime.  To break this deal because of an
impasse over a no trade clause is insanity.  But, you're right
again.  KW did use his strategic prowess to provide us with the
personnel to win the WS in '05.  It's now 2007 and we went from best
to almost worst in 1 1/2 years.  Trading Buehrle won't help that
matter at all.  Good pitching will beat good hitting any day.  So
when we are going thru our lean years coming up, we can always say
that at least KW did it in '05!


-- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, "Big Cat" <gcrone@...>
wrote:
>
> Nice comment...KW a loser?  Right!  That's why he's thought of as
one of the best executives in the game.  That's why his strategy and
putting the team together won us the WS a little over a year ago.
That's why he has been in the running for executive of the year
almost every year since becoming our GM...
>
> Who do you want?  Ken Harrelson?  Brian Cashman?  How 'bout
bringing back Roland Hemond?  How 'bout Ed Farmer?  Gimme a break...
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: R.J.L.
>   To: SOX
>   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:27 AM
>   Subject: [YCPIOTB] Buehrle
>
>
>
>   Buehrle deal apparently dead
>   By Scott Merkin / MLB.com
>   .......A source close to the situation confirmed to MLB.com that
these negotiations between the two sides have reached an impasse,
and there were no plans to renew the discussions.
>
>   According to the source, the sticking point in finalizing the
four-year, $56 million deal is a no-trade clause wanted by Buehrle's
side -- which the White Sox don't want to include. The money or
amount of years no longer appear to be an obstacle.......
>
>   **You have got to be kidding!  They gave Contreras a no-trade
clause, which he said he would waive if they wanted to trade him,
and gave Vazquez a partial no-trade clause.  Mark is worth more than
both these pitchers combined.  Leadership wise, performance wise and
morale wise.  Mark has been there day in and day out for years.  If
they let him go because of a stupid no-trade clause then that will
confirm my opinion that KW and all his vacuous cronies are indeed
losers.  Light some candles...there's no electricity in the cellar.
>

This stinks, he should have signed that contract.

Joan




Originally posted: June 30, 2007

Hold the celebration - Buehrle update
By Mark Gonzales

It appears the biggest issue regarding Mark Buehrle's
status with the White Sox is the team's refusal to
give him a no-trade clause throughout the life of a
four-year, $56 million contract offer.

A major league source with knowledge of the
negotiations said that the Sox won't give Buehrle
no-trade rights despite his preference to stay with
the team and not test free agency.

The Sox didn't give Paul Konerko full no-trade rights
when he re-signed with the team in December of 2005
for $60 million over five years, but Konerko can gain
no-trade rights sometime during the 2008 season by
virtue of his status of having at least 10 years in
the majors, including the final five with the Sox.

The Sox have shown some flexibility in backing off
their preference to not offer pitchers more than three
years. And by accepting a four-year, $56 million
contract offer that would mean he wouldn't go through
free agency this winter, Buehrle is passing up what
could be a more lucrative offer.

But if a deal can't be struck by this weekend, expect
Buehrle to be traded shortly after despite his strong
preference to stay with the Sox. Neither side is
commenting on negotiatons, but these are tense times
for the Sox, Buehrle's party and the White Sox Nation.

Reliever Jeff Shaw agreed to a multi-year deal with
Cincinnati for less money before the 1998 season so he
could pitch close to his Ohio home. But the Reds
elected to trade Shaw shortly after to the Los Angeles
Dodgers; thus he was pitching somewhere else for less
money.

One of the players involved in the deal was Konerko,
who joined the Sox the following season.

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This just in: the Sun-Times Joe Cowley has just made
up yet another scenario.
He's going to the Red Sox. No wait he's getting an
extension. No wait, there's a Friday dealine. No wait,
the deadline is extended.

I, for one, can't wait to see what this professional
is going to dream up for the Sunday editions.

The bright one?

Posted by: Joe Cowley=Hack | Jun 30, 2007 11:44:16 AM


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If Buehrle is willing to take less money and fewer
years to stay with the Sox than he would get in free
agency, then give him the no trade clause. He's in his
prime and a fan favorite. If this no trade clause
holdup is true and Reinsdorf/Williams still send him
packing, then they really never wanted to re-sign him
in the first place and Sox fans are in for some lean
years ahead. They are going to start looking more and
more like the Blackhawks.

Posted by: flanky spoyd | Jun 30, 2007 1:12:59 PM


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Maybe Buerhle is being traded for Jacque Jones but
Zell nixed the deal.

Posted by: Steph | Jun 30, 2007 1:43:49 PM


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Mark:

First of all, what's up with 'White Sox Nation"? To me
that's offensive to both Sox fans (FYI, "Fans" is
perfectly acceptable) and Native Americans.

Secondly, the Sox would be letting a lot of their fans
down by not re-signing Buehrle, especially if the
dealbreaker is a no-trade clause.

The Sox seem to have no problem in giving a 1-year no
trade clauses to starters and Buerhrle's 10/5 rights
kick in in 2 more seasons, so they're basically
quibbling over the right to trade Buehrle next season.
I don't blame the guy - he has a kid on th way and
wants some family stability.

Sounds to me like the Sox are using their old Robin
Ventura trick of "We tried"...

Posted by: russ99 | Jun 30, 2007 1:52:09 PM


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If this indeed what keeps this deal from being done,
the Sox are plain stupid. They guy is showing a lot of
loyalty by leaving millions more he could get on the
open market in the off season to give a home town
discount. He wants to stay for the duration of his
career. Left handed pitching like him, doesn't come
around often. He's a quality starter, durable, and a
good guy/fan favorite. I mean...Contreras was giving a
no trade clause...and he's no where near as good a
pitcher, or durable, and who actually knows how old he
is.

If this deal doesn't get done over this, its
ridiculous. How often do we (fans and media) complain
about guys with no loyalty and who only want to make
another million? Finally, there's a stand up guy who
is willing to put personal gain aside to be a loyal
team guy (to the team, and their fans), and he's
getting no loyalty in return.

Posted by: Brian | Jun 30, 2007 2:29:05 PM


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I'd like to see the Sox FOR ONCE step up and do the
right thing by a guy that's been the face of the
organization for so many years. He would love to play
for the Cards, and could easily command a MUCH larger
contract in free agency, but he's CHOOSING not to do
so.

Reward him with the no trade clause as a way to thank
him for his loyalty to the club - something rarely
seen anymore.

The Sox could make a few moves through trades and
signings in the off season and be right back in
contention. A fire sale will drive fans away, and it
will solidify them as a second tier team.

Posted by: Tony | Jun 30, 2007 2:32:00 PM


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Why should Buerhle give the Sox a hometown discount if
they won't give him the security of a no-trade clause?
Face it, 4yr@$14M is much less than market. He could
get 5yr@$15M or more easily. Reinsdorf and Williams
insult both Buerhle and the fans with their attitude.
Expect to see some very lean times on the field and in
the stands unless the Sox get a serious attitude
adjustment on this. What's fair is fair.

I can't believe Reinsdorf is this disloyal. This ploy
has Kenny Williams' fingerprints all over it. Truth be
told, I'm sick of him and his arrogance.

OBTW, the guy they should trade to the Mets is the one
who pitched last night, not Buerhle.

Posted by: Mike | Jun 30, 2007 3:17:19 PM


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As a long time Sox fan, I have grown tired of the way
management has forced fan favorites to leave town on a
bad note. This list is too long.

This deal should have been a compromise. Buehrle is
taking less money and less years, but what are the Sox
gving up? To say they cant even compromise a no-trade
clause is ridiculus.

Kenny is just trying to save some face with the fans
before he trades Buehrle. But I've got news for him.
We see right through it.

Posted by: Brad | Jun 30, 2007 3:22:47 PM


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I have 6 season tickets with the White Sox, and I love
the team. But Williams is getting too smart by half,
and so is Reinsdorf. If this contract is lost over
this issue, particularly when Buehrle is negotiating
in good faith, I will not renew. And trust me, I speak
for many. We have been with the Sox for a long time,
but Buehrle and Garland are your cornerstones, 28 and
27, and looking at 200 plus career wins each if they
stay healthy. No one throws that away if they are
serious about winning. If I wanted to support a loser
I'd have 6 Cubs season tickets.

Posted by: TC3 | Jun 30, 2007 4:11:21 PM


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Hey, I remember when the Red Sox let me go because
they figured I was in the twilight of my career and
wouldn't give me a long term deal and a no trade
clause...I guess the Yankees, Blue Jays and Astros
would agree with them how "washed up I was in my young
30's". Buehrle is 28? Geez, there is NO WAY the
Red....I mean WHITE Sox should entertain the idea that
he will be around 4, 5 or 10 years and still keep
pitching well. Oh well, anyone know what I can spend
my next 20 million on????

Posted by: Roger Clemmons | Jun 30, 2007 5:34:56 PM


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A no-trade clause for a four year deal? Sounds like a
good gamble to me. Finalize the deal, already!


Posted by: XChicagoan | Jun 30, 2007 10:53:53 PM


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I don't know why Sox management gives some players special clauses and
not to others--maybe KW had a behind the scenes deal with another
ballclub if the Buehrle deal "fell" through and he will trade Buehrle
ASAP.  I think Mark should have signed that contract.

No matter what they get for Buehrle in trade it won't be enough.
Ever.  This is not good.

Joan


--- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, "R.J.L."
<manta_ray4121@...> wrote:
>
> Buehrle deal apparently dead
> By Scott Merkin / MLB.com
> ......A source close to the situation confirmed to MLB.com that
these negotiations between the two sides have reached an impasse, and
there were no plans to renew the discussions.
>
> According to the source, the sticking point in finalizing the
four-year, $56 million deal is a no-trade clause wanted by Buehrle's
side -- which the White Sox don't want to include. The money or amount
of years no longer appear to be an obstacle.......
>
> **You have got to be kidding!  They gave Contreras a no-trade
clause, which he said he would waive if they wanted to trade him, and
gave Vazquez a partial no-trade clause.  Mark is worth more than both
these pitchers combined.  Leadership wise, performance wise and morale
wise.  Mark has been there day in and day out for years.  If they let
him go because of a stupid no-trade clause then that will confirm my
opinion that KW and all his vacuous cronies are indeed losers.  Light
some
candles...there's no electricity in the cellar.
>

and I still say it was more money or more years and
not some no trade clause. Yall believe the papers if
you want to
--- Big Cat <gcrone@...> wrote:

> Nice comment...KW a loser?  Right!  That's why he's
> thought of as one of the best executives in the
> game.  That's why his strategy and putting the team
> together won us the WS a little over a year ago.
> That's why he has been in the running for executive
> of the year almost every year since becoming our
> GM...
>
> Who do you want?  Ken Harrelson?  Brian Cashman?
> How 'bout bringing back Roland Hemond?  How 'bout Ed
> Farmer?  Gimme a break...
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: R.J.L.
>   To: SOX
>   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:27 AM
>   Subject: [YCPIOTB] Buehrle
>
>
>
>   Buehrle deal apparently dead
>   By Scott Merkin / MLB.com
>   .......A source close to the situation confirmed
> to MLB.com that these negotiations between the two
> sides have reached an impasse, and there were no
> plans to renew the discussions.
>
>   According to the source, the sticking point in
> finalizing the four-year, $56 million deal is a
> no-trade clause wanted by Buehrle's side -- which
> the White Sox don't want to include. The money or
> amount of years no longer appear to be an
> obstacle.......
>
>   **You have got to be kidding!  They gave Contreras
> a no-trade clause, which he said he would waive if
> they wanted to trade him, and gave Vazquez a partial
> no-trade clause.  Mark is worth more than both these
> pitchers combined.  Leadership wise, performance
> wise and morale wise.  Mark has been there day in
> and day out for years.  If they let him go because
> of a stupid no-trade clause then that will confirm
> my opinion that KW and all his vacuous cronies are
> indeed losers.  Light some candles...there's no
> electricity in the cellar.
>
>
>




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I bet it was more than that--Mark, like any other
player is a greedy baseball player. I say goodbye to
Mark now. I wouldnt let him hold this team hostage for
another minute.
Im like Ozzie on this one. I dont care any more one
way or another
--- "R.J.L." <manta_ray4121@...> wrote:

> Buehrle deal apparently dead
> By Scott Merkin / MLB.com
> ......A source close to the situation confirmed to
> MLB.com that these negotiations between the two
> sides have reached an impasse, and there were no
> plans to renew the discussions.
>
> According to the source, the sticking point in
> finalizing the four-year, $56 million deal is a
> no-trade clause wanted by Buehrle's side -- which
> the White Sox don't want to include. The money or
> amount of years no longer appear to be an
> obstacle.......
>
> **You have got to be kidding!  They gave Contreras a
> no-trade clause, which he said he would waive if
> they wanted to trade him, and gave Vazquez a partial
> no-trade clause.  Mark is worth more than both these
> pitchers combined.  Leadership wise, performance
> wise and morale wise.  Mark has been there day in
> and day out for years.  If they let him go because
> of a stupid no-trade clause then that will confirm
> my opinion that KW and all his vacuous cronies are
> indeed losers.  Light some candles...there's no
> electricity in the cellar.
>




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----- Original Message -----

From: R.J.L.

To: SOX

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:27 AM

Subject: [YCPIOTB] Buehrle

Buehrle deal apparently dead

By Scott Merkin / MLB.com

.......A source close to the situation confirmed to MLB.com that these negotiations between the two sides have reached an impasse, and there were no plans to renew the discussions.

According to the source, the sticking point in finalizing the four-year, $56 million deal is a no-trade clause wanted by Buehrle's side -- which the White Sox don't want to include. The money or amount of years no longer appear to be an obstacle.......

**You have got to be kidding!  They gave Contreras a no-trade clause, which he said he would waive if they wanted to trade him, and gave Vazquez a partial no-trade clause.  Mark is worth more than both these pitchers combined.  Leadership wise, performance wise and morale wise.  Mark has been there day in and day out for years.  If they let him go because of a stupid no-trade clause then that will confirm my opinion that KW and all his vacuous cronies are indeed losers.  Light some candles...there's no electricity in the cellar.

the cardinals were lucky enough to be in a weak
division---but they still had to beat two teams to get
to the series
--- Mark Phillips <markp8867@...> wrote:

> From what I remember, the Cardinals just BARELY made
> the playoffs by winning
> baseball's weakest division and even making the
> playoffs I believe they were
> the worst team of all the teams in both leagues.
> They got hot at the right
> time and won it all.  Because that, they were lucky.
>  Remember the Cards
> couldn't even win one game in Chicago last year and
> the Sox beat them really
> bad in one game with LaRussa resorting to bean balls
> since his team was so
> bad.  But a win is a win and they did win it all.
>
>
>
> On 6/28/07, carlton baines <uno_lobo@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
>   the cardinals werent lucky the whole season is
> what Im
> saying
> --- John Kivlin <jkivlin@...
> <jkivlin%40midwest-therapy.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: carlton baines [mailto:uno_lobo@...
> <uno_lobo%40yahoo.com>]
> >
> > I disagree--you dont get lucky and win a world
> > series
> >
> > I can't disagree more. The Cardinals proved last
> > year that all you need
> > to do is make the playoffs.
> >
> > JK
> .
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Some surprising managers are on the hot seat

Posted: June 29, 2007

We pretty much all dig big league baseball, don't we?
And yet legions of us wouldn't recognize Sam Perlozzo
if he walked into our living rooms, spit some seeds on
the rug and started flashing hit-and-run signs.
Indeed, the first manager fired this season was not a
very high-profile man.

But there are heavy-duty bench bosses -- World Series
guys -- who might be pulling pictures off the office
wall soon, too. Three of them manage teams that fancy
themselves playoff contenders this season; a fourth
hoisted the championship trophy just 20 months ago.

Ozzie Guillen, White Sox. The Sox reportedly are
thinking of offering Guillen an extension, but not
even a lifetime contract would prevent him from
eventually big-mouthing his way out of town. Guillen's
blowups are wearing thin on everyone around him. After
a humiliating South Side sweep by the Cubs last
weekend and with home attendance dropping (again) ...
well, it's only a matter of time.

Mike Hargrove, Mariners. The M's are winning, but
Hargrove's reputation isn't getting any better; a
great many fans insist he just plain doesn't have a
handle on in-game managing. (Fans tend to be smart
cookies in our book.) Grover's relationship trouble
with Ichiro Suzuki goes back to 2005 -- and the latter
is eligible for free agency after the season. Imagine
the pointlessness of that him-or-me scenario.

Tony La Russa, Cardinals. Why would the Redbirds want
to let this megawinner get away? They wouldn't. But La
Russa's contract is up after this season -- and talk
is heating up that his main man, GM Walt Jocketty,
wants out of St. Louis and in somewhere else. If
Jocketty goes, La Russa just might follow him. And
even if La Russa doesn't, he'll be attractive to any
club with an opening.

Joe Torre, Yankees. Oy. If the Bombers aren't in
desperate need of a major shakeup, no one is. Or maybe
another major shakeup is the last thing they need. It
doesn't much matter what we say -- this call is The
Boss' and The Boss' only, and The Boss is one tough
nut to crack. But even if Don Mattingly can wait
forever, Joe Girardi most certainly cannot. At least
one of them will be running a show next season -- if
not sooner -- and it's got to be at least a 50-50 bet
he'll be dressed in black pinstripes.


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White Sox Dish Out the Pizzas

Contributed by Mike Cobb - Posted: June 28, 2007
8:40:07 PM

It's funny sometimes the things that stand out in a
four-game series. For instance, in the Rays' series
with the White Sox that concluded Thursday night, it
was strikeouts and pizzas. And losses for the Rays.

And it's a safe bet that the owners of the Papa John's
Pizza restaurants in the Tampa Bay area are glad to
see the White Sox leave town. They probably set a
record for handing out free pizzas. Even White Sox
manager Ozzie Guillen got in on the act.

You see, every time Rays pitchers strikeout at least
10 hitters in a game, fans can take their ticket stub
to any bay area Kane's Furniture store for a coupon
for a free Papa Johns pizza. In the four-game White
Sox series, that meant free pizzas every night.

In each of the four games, Rays pitchers had at least
10 strikeouts. Since the White Sox swept the series,
though, Guillen had some fun with the promotion.

He joked after Monday's series opener, when the Sox
struck out 15 times, that fans might gain weight while
they were in town. During Wednesday night's third
game, he held up a ticket stuck when the Sox hit 10
strikeouts.

Thursday night, in a 5-1 win over the Rays in which
the Sox struck out 13 times, when they 10 Ks with two
out in the sixth, Guillen held up a pizza box in the
dugout.

The White Sox of been a whiff-happy club lately
anyway, and they came into the four-game series with
the Rays having won just four of the previous 17
games. In their last seven games, they've struck out
79 times, including 49 in their four games at the
Trop.

But since they won all four, Guillen was more than
happy to dish out the pizzas.



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Both sides quiet on Buehrle talks

By Scot Gregor
sgregor@...
Posted Friday, June 29, 2007

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — There was no movement on the
Mark Buehrle front on Thursday, but the left-handed
starting pitcher still might sign a contract extension
before the White Sox’ road trip wraps up at Kansas
City on Sunday.

Manager Ozzie Guillen talked with Sox assistant
general manager Rick Hahn after Wednesday night’s
game.

“It was pretty good,’’ Guillen said. “Everything
sounded great. I was excited.’’

Buehrle had lunch with his agent, Jeff Berry, on
Thursday, but he declined to offer any details about
his situation.

“I don’t know; no comment,’’ said Buehrle, who is
eligible for free agency at the end of the season and
would likely be traded if a new deal is not struck.
“Since spring training, no comment on contract talks
during the season.’’

Berry said “there is nothing new to report,’’ and Hahn
also declined to offer an update after flying back to
Chicago.

Buehrle has consistently said he wants to stay with
the White Sox, but it’s extremely doubtful he’d settle
for a four-year, $50 million contract, as was reported
by WSCR-AM on Wednesday.

Until something is resolved, Buehrle knows he’s going
to be the center of media attention.

“I’m kind of tired of seeing my name out there, but
that’s going to happen to the trade deadline, or until
a deal is done,’’ Buehrle said. “It’s going to happen
until July 31 or even later.’’

Guillen obviously wants his workhorse starter to stay
put.

“I want to be on Buehrle’s side,’’ Guillen said. “I
don’t want to be on the White Sox’ side, because no
matter what happens, Buehrle’s going to win. If we
don’t sign him, people are going to talk about it. But
this is a business and people have to understand how
the business is and how bad it is. I think Jerry
(Reinsdorf), Kenny (Williams) and Rick, they’re in a
situation where nobody’s going to love them no matter
what they do.

“If you look at this business with your heart instead
of your brain, you’re going to lose, always. When you
run a ballclub, you own a ballclub, you have to think
with your brains and not your heart, and people don’t
like that. I don’t like that. That’s why I never think
I could run a ballclub.’’

Dye to DL? Manager Ozzie Guillen has been saying he
expects right fielder Jermaine Dye (strained right
quadriceps) to be ready for tonight’s game against the
Royals.

But Dye missed his sixth straight game Thursday and
seriously doubts he can go today.

“I don’t think so,’’ Dye said. “Still treating it. I
haven’t ran the bases yet, or ran seriously yet. I
don’t know how I’m going to play.’’

Guillen said a roster move is likely.

“If he can’t perform the next couple days, we’ve got
to do something about it,’’ Guillen said.

Scouting report

White Sox vs. Kansas City Royals at Kauffman Stadium

TV: Channel 26 today; Comcast SportsNet on Saturday
and Sunday

Radio: WSCR 670-AM

Pitching matchups: The White Sox’ Jose Contreras (5-8)
vs. Brian Bannister (4-4) today at 7:10 p.m.; John
Danks (4-6) vs. Odalis Perez (4-7) Saturday at 6:10
p.m.; Jon Garland (5-5) vs. John Thomson (1-0) Sunday
at 1:10 p.m.

At a glance: After sweeping the Devil Rays in a
four-game series, the Sox carry some momentum into
Kansas City. They’re going to need it. The Royals are
running last again in the AL Central, but they’ve won
four straight and are coming off a three-game sweep
over the Angels in Anaheim. K.C. has gone 14-11 in
June and is guaranteed its first winning month since
June 2003. The White Sox are 4-1 against the Royals
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   "I don't need luck I need runs." - Ozzie 4/20/07

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Sometimes Ozzie gets stubborn and wants to hear it
from the player himself that he can or cannot play.
This reminds me of the situation in 2006 between Ozzie
and Uribe.

Joan


Guillen, Dye not exactly on same page
(http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/448662,CST-SPT-soxnt29.article\
)

June 29, 2007

BY JOE COWLEY jcowley@...
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Jermaine Dye looked almost
shocked to find out he was expected to be back in the
lineup tonight.

''I don't think so,'' he replied, when asked if his
strained right quadriceps was game-ready.

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen seemed shocked that
Dye wouldn't be ready -- and that the right fielder
still didn't think he would be going on the 15-day
disabled list.

''What did he say?'' Guillen said, sounding a bit
perturbed. ''If he can't play [tonight], we've got to
do something about it. I don't have a pinch runner, a
pinch hitter, everybody.

''If we're going to keep him 15 days without doing
anything, I'm not going to put J.D. in front of the
ballclub.''

Dye has missed the last six games and received a shot
to ease the pain last weekend. He began baseball
activity in Florida, including hitting, but he said he
had yet to try to run the bases.

''Still treating it,'' Dye said. ''I haven't run
seriously yet. I don't know how I'm going to play
[tonight].''

Dye also continued to say he didn't believe he was
headed to the DL because the Sox ''didn't have anyone
to call up.''

''I thought he could go out and play [against the
Royals], but if he says he can't play [tonight] and
the next day, but he doesn't want the DL, he doesn't
make that decision,'' Guillen said. ''I know what
J.D.'s thinking. He doesn't want to go on the DL, but
in the meanwhile, it's not about him. It's about the
ballclub.''

If Dye is placed on the DL, rookie Ryan Sweeney would
be the logical replacement, considering he has been
red-hot for Class AAA Charlotte the last month.


Royal treatment

If the Sox were to get swept by Kansas City this
weekend, they would fall into fifth place. That's an
idea Guillen couldn't have fathomed at the start of
the season.

''That's a shock,'' he said. ''But we have to be
realistic. The way we're playing right now, we should
be down there. It's a shame. We go out there and
looking for a Series, that was the last place you
thought this ballclub would be in that situation.

''Hopefully, those guys start to believe in themselves
and have faith and move on from here.''





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   "I don't need luck I need runs." - Ozzie 4/20/07

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From: Brian Ryder [mailto:newworldsamurai@sbcglobal.net]

Whatever the terms, just get it done, make the announcement and then get
to work on trading the guys who are actually dragging this team down
(Dye, Contreras, Uribe).

BR

Jayson Stark (ESPN) had a great point. If Buehrle REALLY wants to stay,
why not trade him to the Mets for some talent and just sign him in
February again? It's win/win for Mark, the Mets and the Sox. Has that
ever happened?

JK

From: Brian Ryder [mailto:newworldsamurai@sbcglobal.net]

Whatever the terms, just get it done, make the announcement and then get
to work on trading the guys who are actually dragging this team down
(Dye, Contreras, Uribe).

BR

Jayson Stark (ESPN) had a great point. If Buehrle REALLY wants to stay,
why not trade him to the Mets for some talent and just sign him in
February again? It's win/win for Mark, the Mets and the Sox. Has that
ever happened?

JK

From: Brian Ryder [mailto:newworldsamurai@...]

Whatever the terms, just get it done, make the announcement and then get
to work on trading the guys who are actually dragging this team down
(Dye, Contreras, Uribe).

BR

Jayson Stark (ESPN) had a great point.  If Buehrle REALLY wants to stay,
why not trade him to the Mets for some talent and just sign him in
February again?  It's win/win for Mark, the Mets and the Sox.  Has that
ever happened?

JK

Report: Buehrle to sign by Monday
Mark Buehrle - S - CWS - Jun. 29 - 9:02 am et

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Mark Buehrle is expected to sign a
"a four-year deal at $14 million a year to be announced by Monday,
before Buehrle's next start."

The Sun-Times has remained consistent in their reports that a deal is
close despite being contradicted by other sources. Both sides refused
to address the issue when asked Thursday, with a lot of "no comment"
answers being handed out. Jun. 29 - 9:02 am et

================================================

The big deal will get done
Everyone will benefit when Sox finally get Buerhle to sign on the dotted line

June 29, 2007
BY JOE COWLEY Staff Reporter
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- It probably played out something like this:

Rick Hahn: ''I'm Rick Hahn, assistant GM. Call me 'The Wolf.' I solve
problems.''

Mark Buehrle: ''Good, we got one.''


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• Sox take care of business
Hahn: ''You're Mark, which makes you his agent, Jeff Berry. Let's get
down to brass tacks, gentlemen. If I was informed correctly, the clock
is ticking. Is that right?''
Buehrle: ''Uh, 100 percent.''

Hahn: ''You're going to be a free agent, you want to stay, but you
want a lot of money to stay? More than we ever have given a pitcher?
You throw upper 80s on most days, wear St. Louis Cardinal hats, and if
a deal is not done by the end of the weekend, the clock has run out?''

Buehrle: ''Uh-huh.''

Hahn: ''So sign the paper.''

Jeff Berry: ''A please would be nice.''

Hahn: ''Come again? Get it straight, buster -- I'm not here to say
please, I'm here to tell you what to do. And if self-preservation is
an instinct you possess, you'd better [bleeping] do it and do it
quick. I'm here to help. If my help's not appreciated, then lotsa
luck, gentlemen.''

Then Buehrle runs his fingers through his Jheri curls -- play along,
people -- grabs a pen and signs his name, with Hahn shaking hands and
the assistant GM off to the airport by Thursday afternoon.

That's the way Quentin Tarantino would have done the contract
extension for the White Sox left-hander.

Instead, we're left with a ton of ''No comment'' and ''Nothing new to report.''

What is known is that Berry and Hahn met Wednesday night to talk about
how to keep Buehrle in a Sox uniform for the next four years, and
according to manager Ozzie Guillen, ''It was pretty good. Everything
sounded great. I was excited.''

But Hahn was back in Chicago by Thursday afternoon, and the Sox were
saying there was nothing to report.

As for Buehrle?

''No comment on any contract situations,'' he said to almost all
questions concerning a deal. ''Because I don't want to say anything
and get you guys confused.''

When asked whether the deal was already done and the Sox could be
waiting for the right time to announce it -- not the first time they
have done that -- Buehrle again went all Drew Rosenhaus.

''I don't know, no comment,'' he responded. ''Call Rick, call Jeff,
call [GM Ken Williams].''

Hahn and Berry? Both said there was nothing to report.

So where does this leave everything?

Well, one of three things. A deal is done, a deal still is being
mulled over or talks have broken off and Buehrle will be traded in the
next few weeks.

Gut feeling?

Too many people want this to happen for it to fall through: Buehrle,
his family and Sox personnel from equipment managers all the way up to
chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.

Expect a four-year deal at $14million a year to be announced by
Monday, before Buehrle's next start.

Then again, there's always the Tim Burton version in which Hahn jumps
out of Berry's closet.

Berry: ''What are you?''

Hahn: ''I'm Batman.''


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Report: Buehrle to sign by Monday
Mark Buehrle - S - CWS - Jun. 29 - 9:02 am et

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Mark Buehrle is expected to sign a
"a four-year deal at $14 million a year to be announced by Monday,
before Buehrle's next start."

The Sun-Times has remained consistent in their reports that a deal is
close despite being contradicted by other sources. Both sides refused
to address the issue when asked Thursday, with a lot of "no comment"
answers being handed out. Jun. 29 - 9:02 am et

================================================

The big deal will get done
Everyone will benefit when Sox finally get Buerhle to sign on the dotted line

June 29, 2007
BY JOE COWLEY Staff Reporter
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- It probably played out something like this:

Rick Hahn: ''I'm Rick Hahn, assistant GM. Call me 'The Wolf.' I solve
problems.''

Mark Buehrle: ''Good, we got one.''


RELATED STORIES
• Sox take care of business
Hahn: ''You're Mark, which makes you his agent, Jeff Berry. Let's get
down to brass tacks, gentlemen. If I was informed correctly, the clock
is ticking. Is that right?''
Buehrle: ''Uh, 100 percent.''

Hahn: ''You're going to be a free agent, you want to stay, but you
want a lot of money to stay? More than we ever have given a pitcher?
You throw upper 80s on most days, wear St. Louis Cardinal hats, and if
a deal is not done by the end of the weekend, the clock has run out?''

Buehrle: ''Uh-huh.''

Hahn: ''So sign the paper.''

Jeff Berry: ''A please would be nice.''

Hahn: ''Come again? Get it straight, buster -- I'm not here to say
please, I'm here to tell you what to do. And if self-preservation is
an instinct you possess, you'd better [bleeping] do it and do it
quick. I'm here to help. If my help's not appreciated, then lotsa
luck, gentlemen.''

Then Buehrle runs his fingers through his Jheri curls -- play along,
people -- grabs a pen and signs his name, with Hahn shaking hands and
the assistant GM off to the airport by Thursday afternoon.

That's the way Quentin Tarantino would have done the contract
extension for the White Sox left-hander.

Instead, we're left with a ton of ''No comment'' and ''Nothing new to report.''

What is known is that Berry and Hahn met Wednesday night to talk about
how to keep Buehrle in a Sox uniform for the next four years, and
according to manager Ozzie Guillen, ''It was pretty good. Everything
sounded great. I was excited.''

But Hahn was back in Chicago by Thursday afternoon, and the Sox were
saying there was nothing to report.

As for Buehrle?

''No comment on any contract situations,'' he said to almost all
questions concerning a deal. ''Because I don't want to say anything
and get you guys confused.''

When asked whether the deal was already done and the Sox could be
waiting for the right time to announce it -- not the first time they
have done that -- Buehrle again went all Drew Rosenhaus.

''I don't know, no comment,'' he responded. ''Call Rick, call Jeff,
call [GM Ken Williams].''

Hahn and Berry? Both said there was nothing to report.

So where does this leave everything?

Well, one of three things. A deal is done, a deal still is being
mulled over or talks have broken off and Buehrle will be traded in the
next few weeks.

Gut feeling?

Too many people want this to happen for it to fall through: Buehrle,
his family and Sox personnel from equipment managers all the way up to
chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.

Expect a four-year deal at $14million a year to be announced by
Monday, before Buehrle's next start.

Then again, there's always the Tim Burton version in which Hahn jumps
out of Berry's closet.

Berry: ''What are you?''

Hahn: ''I'm Batman.''

--- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, "John Kivlin"
<jkivlin@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: carlton baines [mailto:uno_lobo@...]
>
> I disagree--you dont get lucky and win a world series
>
> I can't disagree more.  The Cardinals proved last year that all you
need
> to do is make the playoffs.
>
> JK

**What we did in '05 was anything but luck.  You don't go wire to wire
in first place during the season and then go 11-1 in the post season
because of luck.  No matter what anyone says we got what we earned
in '05.
GM Bill

--- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, Matt Savage
<soxguy35@...> wrote:
>
> What?  Buehrle was anything but sharp last night.  He loaded the
bases twice, walked three, hit a batter which scored a run and
scattered nine hits.  Buehrle is lucky that he only gave up three
runs.  That headline would be a lot different if the Sox had lost.

**Actually, I don't think he was that lucky at all.  It's the mark of
a good pitcher when he doesn't have his good stuff, get's into trouble
yets keeps the game close and gives his team a chance to win.  Any top
pitcher can win when he has his best stuff.  Winning when your off
your game, that's what makes a pitcher as valuable as Buehrle is.
GM Bill


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Congratulations to Frank Thomas for hitting his 500th home run in the
first inning of today's Blue Jays-Twins game at the Metrodome off
Carlos Silva!!! Frank became the 17th legitimate (non-cheating) player
and 21st overall player in baseball history to accomplish this awesome
feat!!!

Frank hits a lot of first inning homers so this should be no surprise
to anyone. It was a 3-run shot as well. I wish he could have done it
in White Sox pinstripes but that is really his own fault and nobody
elses.

The next player to hit 500 home runs will be A-Rod who needs 8 more and
then hopefully Jim Thome who is one ahead of Manny Ramirez and ten
ahead of Gary Sheffield* (* = cheater lol). By the way the other
players in the 500+ club who should have an asterisk by their names too
are Bonds*, Sosa*, McGwire*, and Palmeiro*.

the cardinals werent lucky the whole season is what Im
saying
--- John Kivlin <jkivlin@...> wrote:

>
> From: carlton baines [mailto:uno_lobo@...]
>
> I disagree--you dont get lucky and win a world
> series
>
> I can't disagree more.  The Cardinals proved last
> year that all you need
> to do is make the playoffs.
>
> JK
>




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the thing is with the market like it is some idiot
might just give it to him
--- Mark Phillips <markp8867@...> wrote:

> I love Mark but I can't believe this guy.  He thinks
> Mark could make
> $20 million per year in the free agent market.  His
> sportswriter
> credentials should be revoked!!  Even Mark said he
> doesn't want "Barry
> Zito" type money and this is more than that.
>
> I think give Mark a base salary of around $12.5
> million along with
> plenty of incentives like for making the all-star
> game, number of
> innings pitched or games started, 15+ wins, etc.
> which would give Mark
> 14-15 million per year if he lives up to those
> incentives as he always
> does.
>
> If Kenny doesn't sign him then the Sox are pretty
> much doomed for a
> long time.  This isn't exactly the same of course
> but would be similar
> to when the Red Sox let Babe Ruth go.  It would be a
> stupid stupid
> move.  Players like Mark who are good clubhouse
> leaders, bring in a
> huge fan base, and are also perennial all-stars are
> very hard to find.
>  If he can pay so much to Javier Vazquez for just
> being a 3rd or 4th
> starter, then giving Mark what he deserves should be
> a no-brainer!
>
> ===================================================
>
> One final effort worth a try
>
> By Barry Rozner
> Daily Herald Sports Columnist
> Posted Thursday, June 28, 2007
>
> Kenny Williams left zero doubt in my mind.
>
> I pressed the White Sox GM on the subject of Mark
> Buehrle last
> weekend, asking more than once if there was any
> chance at all to work
> out a deal with Buehrle before July 31.
>
> Every time I said it, he would pause and think, and
> each time he would
> say the same thing, that, in essence, he didn't
> sense there was a
> common ground.
>
> It pained him because he adores Buehrle.
>
>
> And who doesn't?
>
> At his age and with his delivery, he's as much a
> left-handed Greg
> Maddux as you can find, and he's not the type you'd
> ever want to see
> leave Chicago.
>
> The fans love him, his teammates would walk through
> fire for him, and
> the owner has shown in the past that he would do
> things for Buehrle
> that he'd never do for others.
>
> With the Sox on record as saying they'd never go
> past three years on a
> pitcher's contract, and with Buehrle knowing there
> would be at least
> five or six years waiting for him on the open market
> worth somewhere
> in the neighborhood of $100 million, there was no
> common ground.
>
> Until Jerry Reinsdorf said OK to four years.
>
> That, at the least, has given the two sides
> something to talk about,
> and that's all that's happening right now.
>
> They're having a conversation, exploring their
> options, and making
> sure they've tried one more time to find a
> compromise before they cut
> ties forever.
>
> The possibilities remain as varied as they were last
> weekend when
> Williams was extremely pessimistic.
>
> Buehrle could re-sign or he might not, and he might
> be traded or he might not.
>
> Here's a new one: He could sign and then be traded.
>
> Clearly, his trade value would increase if teams
> believed the Sox
> still might try to sign him.
>
> Buehrle has made it clear that he'd like to stay,
> and the Sox have
> opened the door to that possibility by adding a year
> and creating more
> value in the deal, while Buehrle would have to offer
> the Sox a huge
> hometown discount, giving away as much as $40
> million-$50 million he
> could receive in free agency.
>
> But he always has liked Chicago and the White Sox,
> and he always has
> been a guy who acted like he could live on a mere
> king's ransom, as
> opposed to needing the entire throne and castle.
>
> There might be a place for them to meet in the
> middle, with both sides
> giving back a lot. That's how deals are done when
> there are good
> people on both sides.
>
> Will it happen this time?
>
> Sox fans have a right to hope.
>
> The line
>
> Since Super Bowl odds were posted a few months back,
> the Bears have
> fallen into a three-way tie for the lead among NFC
> contenders, albeit
> at a sluggish 9-1 to win it all next February in
> Arizona.
>
> The Bears opened at 6-1 at Caesars Palace but now
> reside at 9-1 with
> the Saints and the Cowboys.
>
> The Seahawks have gone from 15-1 to 12-1, the Eagles
> have stayed put
> at 15-1, and the Panthers have edged up a bit from
> 25-1 to 22-1. But
> the biggest move in the NFC has been the Niners, who
> opened at 50-1
> and went to 20-1.
>
> "I think it speaks to the questions surrounding the
> Bears,'' said
> Caesars Palace Sportsbook manager Chuck Esposito.
> "People wonder if
> the Bears can repeat in the NFC with the Lance
> Briggs situation, and
> Tank Johnson, and questions at quarterback, plus
> there's so much
> parity in the league and it's so difficult to
> repeat.''
>
> The Lions (150-1 to 85-1), Vikings (80-60) and
> Packers (80-40) all
> have seen their odds fall based more on the Bears'
> perceived
> difficulties this off-season than anything those
> clubs have done to
> improve.
>
> "If Tommie Harris goes down in Week 1, you or I
> could run through the
> hole in the middle of their line,'' Esposito said.
> "You also don't
> know if Cedric Benson can hold up.
>
> "Who knows? Maybe Detroit can make some noise. I
> can't believe I'm
> saying that about the Lions. I hope you're not
> taping this if I have
> to deny it.''
>
> As for the AFC, the Pats opened at 5-1 to win it all
> and jumped to
> 3-1, while the Colts and the Chargers both started
> at 5-1 and remain
> there today.
>
> The line II
>
> The early board is up and the Bears are a 5¨-point
> underdog for their
> Sept. 9 opener at San Diego, with the total at 42.
> Camps haven't even
> opened and there's already little respect for the
> NFC champs.
>
> Ivan Boldirev-ing
>
>
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I think Frank and Ernie Banks are the only two in
Chicago baseball history to hit 500.
--- Mark <markp8867@...> wrote:

> Congratulations to Frank Thomas for hitting his
> 500th home run in the
> first inning of today's Blue Jays-Twins game at the
> Metrodome off
> Carlos Silva!!!  Frank became the 17th legitimate
> (non-cheating) player
> and 21st overall player in baseball history to
> accomplish this awesome
> feat!!!
>
> Frank hits a lot of first inning homers so this
> should be no surprise
> to anyone.  It was a 3-run shot as well.  I wish he
> could have done it
> in White Sox pinstripes but that is really his own
> fault and nobody
> elses.
>
> The next player to hit 500 home runs will be A-Rod
> who needs 8 more and
> then hopefully Jim Thome who is one ahead of Manny
> Ramirez and ten
> ahead of Gary Sheffield* (* = cheater lol).  By the
> way the other
> players in the 500+ club who should have an asterisk
> by their names too
> are Bonds*, Sosa*, McGwire*, and Palmeiro*.
>
>
>




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