**I've made my predictions, both official and unofficial, and I'm
sticking to them.  Official: Crede/Fields.  Unofficial: Sweeney.
Someone other than ScoPod is going to be our regular LF next
season.  It may be Sweeney or someone outside the organization, but
it's not going to be ScoPod.  Of course, if I'm wrong about any of
this I'll deny I ever said it.
GM Bill



--- In YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Phillips"
<markp8867@...> wrote:
>
> Are you talking about yourself when you say that about not
understanding
> baseball?  Because keeping Vazquez's $12 million option and
sending the Sox
> back to the "Kids Can Play" era with Fields & Sweeney in the
lineup along
> with Anderson is just plain retarded.  The Sox will lose their
season ticket
> base and will be right there where the Indians are this year
trying to
> finish at .500 and watching the playoffs on TV every October.
These Sox are
> one of the elite teams in baseball now and messing so much with the
> chemistry is just stupid.  I have to say if that is really what
you think
> then I'm glad you are not the GM!!
>
>
>
> On 8/30/06, bill <andersoxy@...> wrote:
> >
> >    --- In
YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com<YouCanPutItOnTheBoard%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Mark Phillips"
> > <markp8867@> wrote:
> > >
> > Joe is worth about a 5 million dollar pay increase I
> > > think. If the Sox have to pay him more they can always deal
Vazquez
> > (12
> > > million) and replace him with McCarthy (~$350,000).
> >
> > **Sure, because there are lots of teams looking to pick up a
> > $12,000,000.00 pitcher who has shown himself to able to pitch
only 5
> > innings before getting his head kicked in. Talk about not
> > understanding baseball.
> > GM Bill
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In SouthsideHitmen@yahoogroups.com, Monster Choppers
<monster_choppers@...> wrote:
>
> the cubs will never, ever ever in their lifetime or their kids
>lifetime ever hoist that world series trophy over their heads

Ouch, Mike.  I don't have it in me to say something like that to an
arrogant Cubs fan but I'm glad you do--way to go!  Let 'em have it.

And yeah, what's with that movie?  Of all the.....How hysterical and
embarrassing, and SAD to have to win the World Series in their dreams
even if it is a movie.  I don't understand how desperate and pathetic
the Cub fans are.  I would be so embarrassed.

Joan

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I feel bad for any small business getting the boot like that.  But
walking through the parking lots on game days, all those tailgaters got
a business all their own.

Joan

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Phillips

To: YouCanPutItOnTheBoard@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:44 PM

Subject: Re: [YCPIOTB] GO AJ!

Too bad Thornton and McCarthy blew it!  Thankfully the Tigers lost but this would have been a great time to gain some ground.  The Twins are now only a half game out since they won with Santana pitching today.

 

On 8/31/06, writerly@... <writerly@...> wrote:

Atta'boy AJ!  Two run homer to give the Sox the lead!

 

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Kathy Strelow
www.kathleenstrelow.net
www.whiplashfiles.blogspot.com
Author of the Head Case rock series
 

Hello fellow Sox fans.  Very tough loss today but not to worry,
everything will be fine.  I have been talking to you since late July
about finally getting Jermaine Dye in the three hole where he belongs
instead of Thome.  Did anyone notice yesterday that when Dye got on
base, he stole second and then got home on Thome's single.  This is
how things should work.  Finally!!  Jermaine is our best hitter, best
clutch hitter and is a decent contact hitter and situational hitter as
well.  I hope Ozzie keeps him where he belongs, where he lead us to
the World Championship...batting third!  See my post from July 26 -
28h.  I have full confidence that this move will make the difference
in our offensive production.  Let me say it now, THE SOX WILL CATCH
THE TIGERS.  You heard it here first.  Opinions????

From: Mark Phillips [mailto:markp8867@...]

Unfortunately none of this has anything to do with the a-holes opening a
new restaurant at the site of Jimbo's.  "Connie's Pizza" is just the
name that was on the door when the founder of that restaurant bought it.
What was called "Connie's Pizza" before was worth barely worth a piece
of sh!t car LMAO!!

It has to do with money.  Jimbo will get one more cash grab if the Sox
make the playoffs.  I don't see anyone stepping up offering to match the
potential new lessee's price to keep Jimbo's there.  The new a-holes
made the building owners an offer.  The building owners accepted it.
What's not being reported is that the building owners gave Jimbo the
chance to match.  Jimbo refused.  Jimbo leaves.  They really don't seem
that upset about it.

JK

I agree with you completely about Mariotti, but I believe you are way
off base when you say Jeter won't even come in the top five.

Nationally, the top candidates seem to be Jeter, David Ortiz (probably
won't happen now), Manny (Again, won't happen now) and Dye. I have
even heard some support for Thome. I have to believe it is a two-horse
race between Jermaine and Jeter.

jim in tennessee

On 8/31/06, Mark Phillips <markp8867@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Stupid, stupid, article.  Brainless.  Cowardly.  Moronic.  It shows Jay
> Mariotti's ignorance of baseball as well as his ever apparent "penis
> envy" of Ozzie.  Let's set this straight, Jay could care less about Dye and
> will rip him to shreds if he ever has the reason to in the future.  Don't
> for one minute think Jay is a Sox fan now or is really rooting for Dye to
> win anything.  He only wrote the article so he could pimp himself and rip
> Ozzie at the end of it.
>
> The entire logic of the article is flawed too.  First he compares Dye to
> Derek Jeter who won't even finish in the top 5 for MVP voting this year.
> Sure he is always the Yankees MVP and I'd love for him to be on the Sox too
> but league MVP is a wee bit of a stretch.  Jeter leads the league in nothing
> yet Dye is at least top 10 in every major category.  Maybe he chose Jeter so
> that he could drop some names in there so his stupid column can turn up in
> searches on Google and Yahoo for "Tyra Banks", "Jessica Alba", and "Mariah
> Carey".  It's such a sophomoric trick.  Then he will point out to his idiot
> editors on how many hits his article had and they will pay him more money
> and keep him in this town longer.
>
> This article is merely spam and that's all Jay ever writes.
>
>
>
>

From: Mark Phillips [mailto:markp8867@...]

That's as good of a reason as any.  Sure Jimbo's should have been
prepared for this day and they could move elsewhere like you said.  But
why patronize the new bar when their owners whole philosophy on life is
to screw people.  They will no doubt charge more for everything and it
won't be as good.

The founder of Connie's pizza may know a thing or two about the service
industry.

I'll assume you don't own any property Mark.

JK

From: Mark Phillips [mailto:markp8867@...]

Well everyone should just boycott the new restaurant next season.

Because the owner of the building is mean?  They're not forcing them out
of business.  They're making them find another place to do business.
Businesses move all the time.  It doesn't sound like Jimbo is all that
ambitious.  Which is too bad because I love that bar.

JK

-------------- Original message from "azchisoxfan" <lbier49@...>: --------------


> I know this may be a strange pill for some of you anti-Marriotti
> Chisox Fans but .......
>
> Calling all MVP voters: Dye the guy
>
> August 31, 2006
>
> BY JAY MARIOTTI SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
>
> We've never seen him with Jessica Alba, Mariah Carey, Vanessa
> Minnillo, Tyra Banks or Miss Universe. Visa hasn't called about a TV
> commercial, nor have Nike, Gatorade or any local auto-parts stores. He
> has no Sports Illustrated covers, no ''Seinfeld'' cameos and exactly
> one gossip-column appearance, something about Bella Lounge, where I'm
> just guessing women weren't lining up to stuff phone numbers in his pants.
>
> So Jermaine Dye, in any glitz contest with Derek Jeter, is doom ed to
> fail. The hope is that people who vote for the American League MVP
> award are smart enough to look past Jeter's New York-lathered image --
> captain of the Yankees, prince of sporting celebrity, $20 million
> salary, four championship rings, any starlet he wants -- and realize
> the casual, unceremonious family man in Chicago is having the better
> baseball season, assuming baseball at all matters in this debate.
>
> Last year's slogan: Win or die trying.
>
> This year's slogan: Win or Dye trying.
>
> Now that David Ortiz is out of the picture -- even if his ticker
> checks out fine in the hospital, no designated hitter can be MVP if
> his team misses the playoffs -- the race is between two candidates who
> couldn't be bigger polar opposites. This is the sort of political
> contest that should rile the White Sox and their fans, who have a
> legitimate beef about the Yankees-Red Sox axis and how the influential
> East Coast media tend to trivialize the rest of the major leagues,
> World Series champions included. It better not be viewed as a career
> achievement award, a chance for those media to finally gussy up Jeter
> with his first such trophy. No, it's an award that should be based
> entirely on what happens in ballparks between the early strains of
> spring and the end of September.
>
> He's the man in a tough lineup
>
> And Dye has saved the Sox from fading away during their inconsistent
> two-month grind. While the starting pitchers have stumbled, other
> outfielders have struggled offensively, fellow masher Jim Thome has
> fought injuries and Ozzie Guillen keeps making friends everywhere, Dye
> has been an island of peaceful dominance. He leads the league in
> slugging percentage, is on pace to hit 50 homers and drive in 130
> runs, produces reliably in close-and-late situations, has an on-base
> percentage near .400 and isn't far behind in the one category where
> Jeter has an edge: batting average. The league leader, Minnesota's Joe
> Mauer, doesn't hit for enough power yet to be in this conversation. In
> fact, you can argue Johnny Damon has been more valuable to the Yankees
> and Justin Morneau more valuable to the Twins.
>
> No one in Soxdom questions Dye is the man, even when the lineup
> includes Thome, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede. Wednesday night, he helped
> his MVP cause not with his power bat but with ... his wheels? In the
> eighth inning of a 4-4 game, he singled, stole second and came around
> with the winning run. And to think a lot of us -- if I'm fessing up,
> you'd better, too -- were having convulsions two winters ago when Ken
> Williams signed an injury-battered, high-risk Dye to rep lace popular
> Magglio Ordonez. Turns out Dye already has exceeded Ordonez's best
> years with the Sox. And the season still has four weeks to go, days
> and nights that will be filled with ''MVP! MVP!'' chants on the South
> Side. His chances of staying hot have been enhanced by moving up from
> the No. 5 hole to No. 3 in the order, where he presided when the Sox
> were romping through the postseason. If he was regal enough to be
> Series MVP, why not a carry-over vote for an entire year?
>
> ''I don't want to take anything away from other players, but Jeter has
> people behind him all year long to protect him,'' Guillen said. ''J.D.
> has had A.J. [Pierzynski] and [Joe] Crede behind him. The protection
> we have is good, but not great like the other guys have.''
>
> Winning division would help
>
> Dye's signature moment so far came in a loss. Still, it showed what a
> force he can be under pennant-race pressure when he homered in the
> ninth Saturday off Joe Nathan, the lockdown Minnesota closer, to force
> extra innings. This was the first MVP seed he planted. It won't be his
> last, though he made clear afterward that individual attention would
> be accepted in a team context, just like that big trophy he held in
> Houston.
>
> ''If I was chosen, hopefully it's because we got into the playoffs and
> win the World Series,'' Dye said. ''Winning ballgames is the focus.
> Hopefully, if I am talked about and continue to perform, then I'll
> look back on it in the offseason and be proud.''
>
> His candidacy will be helped if the Sox win the division, no longer a
> pipe dream. They inched a half-game closer to the Tigers, coming back
> to beat Tampa Bay after Detroit split a doubleheader with the Yankees.
> Just when you want to dismiss the Tigers as frauds, they respond with
> another huge late-inning knock, this time a three-run homer in the
> ninth from Craig Monroe. But Tadahito Iguchi responded with his own
> power statement, followed by Dye.
>
> Please, everyone just focus
>
> It might be nice if the Sox prioritized the playoffs over their
> foolish, never-ending participation in Purpose Pitch Justice. It's the
> only way to describe Freddy Garcia's Tuesday night plunking of Delmon
> Young, the Devil Rays phenom who was decried as a national idiot
> earlier this season when he angrily flipped a bat and struck an umpire
> in the minor leagues. Guillen strongly denied ordering the hit, but,
> of course, he comes off as the beanballer who cried wolf. When the
> Blizzard of Oz routinely has pitchers retaliate in these ongoing
> little-boy games with a potentially lethal weapon, it's hard to fathom
> he did n't put the idea in Garcia's head.
>
> If the Blizzard was trying to wriggle his way into the good graces of
> umpires everywhere by hitting Young, it's a strange time and place.
> Focus on the playoff race, please.
>
> Thankfully, Jermaine Dye is.
>
> Jay Mariotti is a regular on ''Around the Horn'' at 4 p.m. on ESPN.
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-------------- Original message from "Mark Phillips" <markp8867@...>: --------------

This is like a scene from the Sopranos.  It's sad but Jimbo's should be able to stay open for the playoffs.  It would take 2-3 months for them to actually be evicted from the time the proceedings would start on September 30th.  The Sox should go ahead with their plans to add bars, restaurants, and souvenir shops next to the park using parking lot spaces and give Jimbos a chance to move there first. 

 

---

 

Game over for Jimbo's Lounge

August 31, 2006

BY MARK J. KONKOL Staff Reporter

Say it ain't so, Jimbo.

The beloved White Sox bar Jimbo's Lounge has lost its lease and will close, possibly before the playoffs.

Proprietors Jimbo and Joyce Levato got the sobering news in a letter last week that their clout-heavy landlords will not renew their lease after 22 years at 32nd and Princeton.

"We're not taking it too well. Jimbo is really upset," Joyce Levato said. "They want us out Sept. 30."

That's the day after the Levatos will celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary, and a week after the White Sox' last home game of the season.

Joyce Levato said they have no plans to move out that soon, especially if the Sox make another playoff run.

"We've got so much stuff and all the pictures on the wall to get out. I'm not leaving at the end of September," she said. "That's probably when they'll start eviction proceedings in court."

The shot-and-a-beer joint always booms during baseball season, carrying the bar business the rest of the year.

Closest to ballpark

After the demolition of McCuddy's to make way for the new ballpark, Jimbo's became the fans' closest bar.

And this year's sellout crowds at Sox Park have brought standing-room-only postgame gatherings to Jimbo's, drinkers sometimes spilling out onto the sidewalk.

Building owners Raymond and Donna DeGrazia apparently want to open their own business there and aren't interested in renegotiating the lease, Joyce Levato said.

The DeGrazias, who live in Bridgeport, could not be reached for comment.

Like most things Bridgeport, the DeGrazias have a long history with Chicago politics.

Donna DeGrazia is the first cousin of Mayor Daley's close pal Fred Barbara, and both are related to late mobster Bruno Roti Sr.

Donna DeGrazia also works for North Side Ald. Thomas Allen (38th), and her brother, a Streets and Sanitation worker also named Fred Barbara, owns a hot dog stand next door to Jimbo's.

The DeGrazia family also has a history in the restaurant business.

Raymond DeGrazia's mother is the founder and namesake of Connie's Pizza, but the family no longer owns the business.

Joyce Levato says the couple weren't ready for early retirement from the bar business, but opening Jimbo's at another location probably won't happen.

"It's too bad because we had great clientele, a great 22 years. We met great and wonderful people," she said. "A lot of them felt at home here."

mkonkol@...

I know this may be a strange pill for some of you anti-Marriotti
Chisox Fans but .......

Calling all MVP voters: Dye the guy

August 31, 2006

BY JAY MARIOTTI SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

We've never seen him with Jessica Alba, Mariah Carey, Vanessa
Minnillo, Tyra Banks or Miss Universe. Visa hasn't called about a TV
commercial, nor have Nike, Gatorade or any local auto-parts stores. He
has no Sports Illustrated covers, no ''Seinfeld'' cameos and exactly
one gossip-column appearance, something about Bella Lounge, where I'm
just guessing women weren't lining up to stuff phone numbers in his pants.

So Jermaine Dye, in any glitz contest with Derek Jeter, is doomed to
fail. The hope is that people who vote for the American League MVP
award are smart enough to look past Jeter's New York-lathered image --
captain of the Yankees, prince of sporting celebrity, $20 million
salary, four championship rings, any starlet he wants -- and realize
the casual, unceremonious family man in Chicago is having the better
baseball season, assuming baseball at all matters in this debate.

Last year's slogan: Win or die trying.

This year's slogan: Win or Dye trying.

Now that David Ortiz is out of the picture -- even if his ticker
checks out fine in the hospital, no designated hitter can be MVP if
his team misses the playoffs -- the race is between two candidates who
couldn't be bigger polar opposites. This is the sort of political
contest that should rile the White Sox and their fans, who have a
legitimate beef about the Yankees-Red Sox axis and how the influential
East Coast media tend to trivialize the rest of the major leagues,
World Series champions included. It better not be viewed as a career
achievement award, a chance for those media to finally gussy up Jeter
with his first such trophy. No, it's an award that should be based
entirely on what happens in ballparks between the early strains of
spring and the end of September.

He's the man in a tough lineup

And Dye has saved the Sox from fading away during their inconsistent
two-month grind. While the starting pitchers have stumbled, other
outfielders have struggled offensively, fellow masher Jim Thome has
fought injuries and Ozzie Guillen keeps making friends everywhere, Dye
has been an island of peaceful dominance. He leads the league in
slugging percentage, is on pace to hit 50 homers and drive in 130
runs, produces reliably in close-and-late situations, has an on-base
percentage near .400 and isn't far behind in the one category where
Jeter has an edge: batting average. The league leader, Minnesota's Joe
Mauer, doesn't hit for enough power yet to be in this conversation. In
fact, you can argue Johnny Damon has been more valuable to the Yankees
and Justin Morneau more valuable to the Twins.

No one in Soxdom questions Dye is the man, even when the lineup
includes Thome, Paul Konerko and Joe Crede. Wednesday night, he helped
his MVP cause not with his power bat but with ... his wheels? In the
eighth inning of a 4-4 game, he singled, stole second and came around
with the winning run. And to think a lot of us -- if I'm fessing up,
you'd better, too -- were having convulsions two winters ago when Ken
Williams signed an injury-battered, high-risk Dye to replace popular
Magglio Ordonez. Turns out Dye already has exceeded Ordonez's best
years with the Sox. And the season still has four weeks to go, days
and nights that will be filled with ''MVP! MVP!'' chants on the South
Side. His chances of staying hot have been enhanced by moving up from
the No. 5 hole to No. 3 in the order, where he presided when the Sox
were romping through the postseason. If he was regal enough to be
Series MVP, why not a carry-over vote for an entire year?

''I don't want to take anything away from other players, but Jeter has
people behind him all year long to protect him,'' Guillen said. ''J.D.
has had A.J. [Pierzynski] and [Joe] Crede behind him. The protection
we have is good, but not great like the other guys have.''

Winning division would help

Dye's signature moment so far came in a loss. Still, it showed what a
force he can be under pennant-race pressure when he homered in the
ninth Saturday off Joe Nathan, the lockdown Minnesota closer, to force
extra innings. This was the first MVP seed he planted. It won't be his
last, though he made clear afterward that individual attention would
be accepted in a team context, just like that big trophy he held in
Houston.

''If I was chosen, hopefully it's because we got into the playoffs and
win the World Series,'' Dye said. ''Winning ballgames is the focus.
Hopefully, if I am talked about and continue to perform, then I'll
look back on it in the offseason and be proud.''

His candidacy will be helped if the Sox win the division, no longer a
pipe dream. They inched a half-game closer to the Tigers, coming back
to beat Tampa Bay after Detroit split a doubleheader with the Yankees.
Just when you want to dismiss the Tigers as frauds, they respond with
another huge late-inning knock, this time a three-run homer in the
ninth from Craig Monroe. But Tadahito Iguchi responded with his own
power statement, followed by Dye.

Please, everyone just focus

It might be nice if the Sox prioritized the playoffs over their
foolish, never-ending participation in Purpose Pitch Justice. It's the
only way to describe Freddy Garcia's Tuesday night plunking of Delmon
Young, the Devil Rays phenom who was decried as a national idiot
earlier this season when he angrily flipped a bat and struck an umpire
in the minor leagues. Guillen strongly denied ordering the hit, but,
of course, he comes off as the beanballer who cried wolf. When the
Blizzard of Oz routinely has pitchers retaliate in these ongoing
little-boy games with a potentially lethal weapon, it's hard to fathom
he didn't put the idea in Garcia's head.

If the Blizzard was trying to wriggle his way into the good graces of
umpires everywhere by hitting Young, it's a strange time and place.
Focus on the playoff race, please.

Thankfully, Jermaine Dye is.

Jay Mariotti is a regular on ''Around the Horn'' at 4 p.m. on ESPN.
Send e-mail to inbox@... with name, hometown and daytime
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