With all the hoo-ha over players we have forgotten to congratulate our GM, Brian Cashman, on the almost total reconstruction of the coaching staff as well:
Yes we signed Damon, and Farnsworth, and Dotel, and Matsui and some lesser role players, but these guys are going to make a huge difference in this team. Pena will help immensely with the Latin players, Bowa is arguably the best 3rdbase coach in the game, and Guidry and Kerrigan can take good care of the pitchers while we've seen what Mattingly can do with the hitters. As well as good players, we have an allstar coaching staff and should be looking forward to a fantastic New Year of Yankee victories!
I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
Thanks, Scott! Happy New Year to you and your family as well.
Best wishes to everyone in the group for a very safe and happy new year!
Let's hope '06 is a great one - for our families and our Yankee family!
Valerie
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Sounds pretty wild to me, but this is some of the stuff that makes baseball so much fun!!
redbug51 <redbug51@...> wrote:
I hope so. Gathright (.276,0, 13) would go the Sox to replace Damon.
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com 4-way Manny frenzy BY BILL MADDEN and ANTHONY McCARRON DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS Friday, December 30th, 2005
The Mets have been engaged in ongoing talks with the Devil Rays about reliever Danys Baez, but, according to multiple baseball sources, those discussions could bloom into a blockbuster four-team trade scenario in which Manny Ramirez winds up at Shea and similarly disgruntled slugger Miguel Tejada lands in Boston.
According to sources, both the Red Sox and Orioles have resigned themselves to accommodating the trade requests of
Ramirez and Tejada, who want off of their respective teams. But since the Orioles have signed Jeromy Burnitz to complete their outfield, they may not have a match with the Red Sox in a straight-up Tejada-for- Ramirez deal, so several baseball executives said they'd have to get other teams involved.
That's where the Mets and Devil Rays come in. The basics of the four- team deal that had the baseball executives buzzing yesterday and would appear to satisfy the needs of all four clubs would have Tejada and Tampa Bay's Joey Gathright going to the Red Sox to fill Boston's holes at shortstop and center field.
Ramirez and Baez would go to the Mets, giving them one of the game's best sluggers and a setup man. The Orioles would satisfy their need at shortstop by getting Julio Lugo from Tampa Bay and add pitching by getting Matt Clement from Boston and possibly Kris Benson from the Mets.
The Devil Rays, who
have always been difficult to deal with, especially in complicated transactions, are seeking top prospects and young pitching and would be satisfied in that regard by getting third baseman Andy Marte from Boston and Jae Seo and Aaron Heilman from the Mets. In addition, the Mets would send Kaz Matsui to Tampa to give the D-Rays a stopgap shortstop replacement until prospect B.J. Upton is ready.
An executive with one of the teams called the four-team scenario far- fetched, but an official with another of the teams said he expected to broach such talks.
The Mets and GM Omar Minaya long have coveted Ramirez, a nine-time All-Star. Ramirez has said he wants to leave Boston and the Mets are one of the few clubs in baseball that could take on all or part of his monster salary - Ramirez is due $57 million over the next three seasons.
Money, of course, could complicate the deal. In addition to Ramirez's hefty
price tag, Tejada is owed $48 million and part of a $12 million signing bonus for the next four years.
Independently, the Mets have been talking for weeks with the Devil Rays about Baez, who was 5-4 with a 2.86 ERA and 41 saves as a closer last season. Seo and Heilman have been mentioned as possible matches in a potential one-for-one deal, but two Mets sources said yesterday they would "absolutely" not part with Heilman for Baez.
However, if talks expand and include bringing Ramirez to the Mets, Heilman might have to be sacrificed.
If the Mets got Baez, he would set up for new closer Billy Wagner. But Baez doesn't seem to want to switch jobs. In an interview yesterday with the St. Petersburg Times, he said, "I don't know if I want to be a setup guy. I want to be a closer.
"But if they trade me, I don't have a choice. If they want me to be a setup guy, that's what I'll do."
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I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
I hope so. Gathright (.276,0, 13) would go the Sox to replace Damon.
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
4-way Manny frenzy
BY BILL MADDEN
and ANTHONY McCARRON
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS
Friday, December 30th, 2005
The Mets have been engaged in ongoing talks with the Devil Rays
about reliever Danys Baez, but, according to multiple baseball
sources, those discussions could bloom into a blockbuster four-team
trade scenario in which Manny Ramirez winds up at Shea and similarly
disgruntled slugger Miguel Tejada lands in Boston.
According to sources, both the Red Sox and Orioles have resigned
themselves to accommodating the trade requests of Ramirez and
Tejada, who want off of their respective teams. But since the
Orioles have signed Jeromy Burnitz to complete their outfield, they
may not have a match with the Red Sox in a straight-up Tejada-for-
Ramirez deal, so several baseball executives said they'd have to get
other teams involved.
That's where the Mets and Devil Rays come in. The basics of the four-
team deal that had the baseball executives buzzing yesterday and
would appear to satisfy the needs of all four clubs would have
Tejada and Tampa Bay's Joey Gathright going to the Red Sox to fill
Boston's holes at shortstop and center field.
Ramirez and Baez would go to the Mets, giving them one of the game's
best sluggers and a setup man. The Orioles would satisfy their need
at shortstop by getting Julio Lugo from Tampa Bay and add pitching
by getting Matt Clement from Boston and possibly Kris Benson from
the Mets.
The Devil Rays, who have always been difficult to deal with,
especially in complicated transactions, are seeking top prospects
and young pitching and would be satisfied in that regard by getting
third baseman Andy Marte from Boston and Jae Seo and Aaron Heilman
from the Mets. In addition, the Mets would send Kaz Matsui to Tampa
to give the D-Rays a stopgap shortstop replacement until prospect
B.J. Upton is ready.
An executive with one of the teams called the four-team scenario far-
fetched, but an official with another of the teams said he expected
to broach such talks.
The Mets and GM Omar Minaya long have coveted Ramirez, a nine-time
All-Star. Ramirez has said he wants to leave Boston and the Mets are
one of the few clubs in baseball that could take on all or part of
his monster salary - Ramirez is due $57 million over the next three
seasons.
Money, of course, could complicate the deal. In addition to
Ramirez's hefty price tag, Tejada is owed $48 million and part of a
$12 million signing bonus for the next four years.
Independently, the Mets have been talking for weeks with the Devil
Rays about Baez, who was 5-4 with a 2.86 ERA and 41 saves as a
closer last season. Seo and Heilman have been mentioned as possible
matches in a potential one-for-one deal, but two Mets sources said
yesterday they would "absolutely" not part with Heilman for Baez.
However, if talks expand and include bringing Ramirez to the Mets,
Heilman might have to be sacrificed.
If the Mets got Baez, he would set up for new closer Billy Wagner.
But Baez doesn't seem to want to switch jobs. In an interview
yesterday with the St. Petersburg Times, he said, "I don't know if I
want to be a setup guy. I want to be a closer.
"But if they trade me, I don't have a choice. If they want me to be
a setup guy, that's what I'll do."
It's my understanding that starting around now MLB generally goes into
hiding for the New Year's celebration and comes out about mid-week next
week. It appears the only action is the Boston-Baltimore
situation where they are trying to trade two very unhappy sluggers,
Manny and Miggy. I recently saw a Steve Phillips thing on espn
where he said this won't happen. So, we know that it will happen
because he is always wrong. If anything pops I'll send mail
immediately, but it looks like things are going to be a bit slow.
HNY wishes will come in a separate note.
I've actually checked through the list of non-tenders, and there isn't much we would be interested in. My fav, Ken Harvey is a righty, which we don't need. We need a lefty hitter or big-gun switch hitter off the bench and that player isn't out there cheaply. Boy, I wish Spring Training would get here! I'm sure you all do as well!
I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
I think, and I'm not 100% sure, that Cairo had an agent who asked for the $4mil without his knowledge. Then the Tampa meddlers said, "Hey, for that money we can get Womack." And they forced the signing. It became a bone of contention which led to Cashman pushing the way he did on his own signing. His trading of Womack was a small dagger in the heart of the Tampa Meddlers. Cairo has since also fired that agent, which is good news. Hopefully his head is screwed on straight, our expectations are appropriate because ultimately, he wanted to stay with the Yankees. I'm glad he's back, too! I'm very comfortable with him in our infield.
redbug51 <redbug51@...> wrote:
I'm glad to see Cairo back. I think both sides blew it last year. Cairo for looking for a little too much. The Yanks for not
spending a few minutes talking to him, and instaed, signing Womack.
Go Cashman!
--- In YankeesMVP1@yahoogroups.com, Scott Coulter wrote: > > Cairo and Yankees Reach Agreement > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > Published: December 28, 2005 > NEW YORK (AP) -- Infielder Miguel Cairo and the New York Yankees reached a preliminary agreement Wednesday on a $1 million, one-year contract. > Cairo's deal is pending a physical, which likely will take place this week. > He was with the Yankees in 2004, winning the starting job at second base during the second half of the season and winding up with a .292 average and 42 RBIs. He wanted to re-sign but the Yankees balked at his contract request last December and instead signed Tony Womack, who lost his job one month into the season and was dealt to Cincinnati this month. > Cairo landed with the New York Mets as a backup infielder and
outfielder, and he batted .251 with 19 RBIs. > He would be a reserve infielder with the Yankees, who have Robinson Cano returning at second base. > http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/YankeesMVP1/ >
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I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as
making a life.
I wonder if some of the guys, like Ken Harvey for example not a specific, that are non-tendered might do well given a chance? I'm going to look him up, but there are some decent guys on that list. Harvey carried a fairly large stick to the plate, and if he is a lefy hitter as I recall, he could be better to have around. The Palmiero thing won't die until the Yankees kill it. Hey, we took Canseco. While I agree with you, Red, anything is possible. The question is out there, though.
redbug51 <redbug51@...> wrote:
Good question, Scott.
I was sorry they signed Bernie only because he really doesn't bring a whole lot to the plate any more. And, you're right, there's no power on the bench or as an alternate DH.
Pamiero? Not for me. I don't believe that he didn't take the
steroids knowingly. And, to come up w/ all these alternatives, inc blaming Tejada. YUK! I can't stand liars.
So, I think given the age of many of our pitchers, it doesn't hurt to have 1 or 2 in reserve. We have the luxury of waiting till june for the 13th pitcher. And, other than DH, we have a great line-up.
--- In YankeesMVP1@yahoogroups.com, Scott Coulter wrote: > > This question is raging in lots of boards and groups, > especially since Raf Pamiero has said he would > consider playing a final year for a winning team, and > the Yankees intrigued him. We don't know if he > intrigues the Yankees, but the questions remains. > > We have the following pitchers: Johnson, Mussina, > Pavano, Chacon, Wang, Wright, Small, Farnsworth, > Villone, Myers, Dotel, Sturtze, Rivera. That's 13, so > somebody has got to go. It could be a "wait and see," > since Dotel
is not due back until May 1 at the > earliest and maybe not then. If he comes back and is > major league ready we could have some interesting > trading chips come July. 13 pitchers > > Catchers: Posada and Stinnett. No surplus here. > Nieves is listed on the 40 man roster. 2 catchers. > We might want to grab Miguel Olivo who is a non-tender > and put him on the 40 man roster, or just invite him > to Spring Training on a minor league contract. 2 > catchers. > > Infielders:Cano, Giambi, Jeter, Rodriguez, Cairo, > Phillips. 6 infielders. > > Outfielders: Crosby, Matsui, Sheffield, Williams, > Damon. That's 5 outfielders. > > Total: 26, somebody has to go since we can only have a > 25 man roster. That somebody would be someone in the > pitching group to bring us to 12. > > It raises several questions. Right now it looks like > DH would be
rotated around a bit rather than one > person. I wonder if we don't actually need to dump 2 > pitchers(and who would they be?) to get one more bat > on the field? If we don't get at least one more > position player we don't have much in the way pinch > hitters coming off the bench. > > Another question would be are we satisfied with Andy > Phillips as our power-hitting late inning replacement > for Giambi, and pinch-hitter off the bench? I'm not > sure we can combine those two roles. To give JoeT > some flexibility we may need one more bench player. > It should be a feared hitter like Ruben Sierra was, > someone who can play some in the field but is mostly a > pure hitter, a mercenary hitter. > > Why not Palmiero? If he works out, fine. If not, > since we sign him cheap, no big loss and we find > somebody in July who will give us the offense we need. > I can see him
hitting a few bombs into the short > porch, and he is available for almost nothing. > > Do we carry 11 or 12 pitchers? No one has ever > carried 13~ And that wont' be a question until Dotel > is healthy, but do we carry 12 and lose an important > bat? Would an older player like Palmiero get in the > way of Phillips development? > > I just don't think the Yankees are quite done. And, > it may be Spring Training before all this gets figured > out. In the meantime, if Palmiero is interested why > not sign him to an incentive laden minor league deal > that has a clause that says that if he tests positive > he's cut? > > Right now our PH corps is as follows: Crosby, > Stinnett, Phillips, Cairo, assuming Bernie is the > pretty regular DH. That will not strike much fear > into anyone's heart! LOL! > > > > I've learned that making a living is not
the same thing as making a life. > > > Go Yankees! > Scott > > http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/YankeesMVP1/ >
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I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
I'm glad to see Cairo back. I think both sides blew it last year.
Cairo for looking for a little too much. The Yanks for not spending
a few minutes talking to him, and instaed, signing Womack.
Go Cashman!
--- In YankeesMVP1@yahoogroups.com, Scott Coulter
<scottcoulter@s...> wrote:
>
> Cairo and Yankees Reach Agreement
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> Published: December 28, 2005
> NEW YORK (AP) -- Infielder Miguel Cairo and the New York Yankees
reached a preliminary agreement Wednesday on a $1 million, one-year
contract.
> Cairo's deal is pending a physical, which likely will take place
this week.
> He was with the Yankees in 2004, winning the starting job at
second base during the second half of the season and winding up with
a .292 average and 42 RBIs. He wanted to re-sign but the Yankees
balked at his contract request last December and instead signed Tony
Womack, who lost his job one month into the season and was dealt to
Cincinnati this month.
> Cairo landed with the New York Mets as a backup infielder and
outfielder, and he batted .251 with 19 RBIs.
> He would be a reserve infielder with the Yankees, who have
Robinson Cano returning at second base.
> http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/YankeesMVP1/
>
Good question, Scott.
I was sorry they signed Bernie only because he really doesn't bring a
whole lot to the plate any more. And, you're right, there's no power
on the bench or as an alternate DH.
Pamiero? Not for me. I don't believe that he didn't take the
steroids knowingly. And, to come up w/ all these alternatives, inc
blaming Tejada. YUK! I can't stand liars.
So, I think given the age of many of our pitchers, it doesn't hurt to
have 1 or 2 in reserve. We have the luxury of waiting till june for
the 13th pitcher. And, other than DH, we have a great line-up.
--- In YankeesMVP1@yahoogroups.com, Scott Coulter <scottcoulter@s...>
wrote:
>
> This question is raging in lots of boards and groups,
> especially since Raf Pamiero has said he would
> consider playing a final year for a winning team, and
> the Yankees intrigued him. We don't know if he
> intrigues the Yankees, but the questions remains.
>
> We have the following pitchers: Johnson, Mussina,
> Pavano, Chacon, Wang, Wright, Small, Farnsworth,
> Villone, Myers, Dotel, Sturtze, Rivera. That's 13, so
> somebody has got to go. It could be a "wait and see,"
> since Dotel is not due back until May 1 at the
> earliest and maybe not then. If he comes back and is
> major league ready we could have some interesting
> trading chips come July. 13 pitchers
>
> Catchers: Posada and Stinnett. No surplus here.
> Nieves is listed on the 40 man roster. 2 catchers.
> We might want to grab Miguel Olivo who is a non-tender
> and put him on the 40 man roster, or just invite him
> to Spring Training on a minor league contract. 2
> catchers.
>
> Infielders:Cano, Giambi, Jeter, Rodriguez, Cairo,
> Phillips. 6 infielders.
>
> Outfielders: Crosby, Matsui, Sheffield, Williams,
> Damon. That's 5 outfielders.
>
> Total: 26, somebody has to go since we can only have a
> 25 man roster. That somebody would be someone in the
> pitching group to bring us to 12.
>
> It raises several questions. Right now it looks like
> DH would be rotated around a bit rather than one
> person. I wonder if we don't actually need to dump 2
> pitchers(and who would they be?) to get one more bat
> on the field? If we don't get at least one more
> position player we don't have much in the way pinch
> hitters coming off the bench.
>
> Another question would be are we satisfied with Andy
> Phillips as our power-hitting late inning replacement
> for Giambi, and pinch-hitter off the bench? I'm not
> sure we can combine those two roles. To give JoeT
> some flexibility we may need one more bench player.
> It should be a feared hitter like Ruben Sierra was,
> someone who can play some in the field but is mostly a
> pure hitter, a mercenary hitter.
>
> Why not Palmiero? If he works out, fine. If not,
> since we sign him cheap, no big loss and we find
> somebody in July who will give us the offense we need.
> I can see him hitting a few bombs into the short
> porch, and he is available for almost nothing.
>
> Do we carry 11 or 12 pitchers? No one has ever
> carried 13~ And that wont' be a question until Dotel
> is healthy, but do we carry 12 and lose an important
> bat? Would an older player like Palmiero get in the
> way of Phillips development?
>
> I just don't think the Yankees are quite done. And,
> it may be Spring Training before all this gets figured
> out. In the meantime, if Palmiero is interested why
> not sign him to an incentive laden minor league deal
> that has a clause that says that if he tests positive
> he's cut?
>
> Right now our PH corps is as follows: Crosby,
> Stinnett, Phillips, Cairo, assuming Bernie is the
> pretty regular DH. That will not strike much fear
> into anyone's heart! LOL!
>
>
>
> I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a
life.
>
>
> Go Yankees!
> Scott
>
> http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/YankeesMVP1/
>
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Dealing Miguel Tejada within the division remains a
road the Orioles would rather not go down, but the Red
Sox, according to a source with direct knowledge of
the team's pursuit of the shortstop, have made a
''pretty good offer" that has positioned them as a
legitimate contender for the 2002 American League Most
Valuable Player. The Sox recently offered Manny
Ramírez and righthander Matt Clement, according to the
source.
-- Boston Globe
Jon Garland's signing leaves only Jose Contreras among
White Sox starting pitchers unsigned through 2007,
meaning he might be used as trade bait for someone
like Tejada, a situation that has reversed itself
completely from 10 days ago.
-- Chicago Tribune
Former Marlin Alex González, the top shortstop still
on the open market, appears unlikely to sign with any
team until Tejada is dealt. If Tejada is moved to the
Cubs, the Sox and Orioles would both be in need of a
shortstop, enhancing the market for González.
-- Boston Globe
Los Angeles and San Diego still appear to be the
likeliest landing spots for pitcher David Wells,
though there were indications the last couple of days
that Arizona, having cleared Troy Glaus's contract off
the books, might pursue him.
-- Boston Globe
The Orioles have reached a tentative agreement with
free-agent outfielder Jeromy Burnitz on a two-year
contract worth about $12 million, according to sources
familiar with the negotiations.
-- Baltimore Sun
The Diamondbacks came closer to filling their center
field vacancy as they closed in Wednesday on free
agent Eric Byrnes. Byrnes, who agreed to what is
believed to be a one-year deal worth about $2.2
million, will undergo a physical examination today in
Phoenix.
-- Arizona Republic
An East Coast source said the Mariners are offering
pitcher Gil Meche as well as center fielder Jeremy
Reed, in an effort to obtain one of Boston's prized
pitching prospects, Jon Lester or Jonathan Papelbon,
in a trade.
-- Seattle Times
Though the Royals would have liked to re-sign Brian
Anderson and have him possibly join the team midseason
when he recovers from elbow surgery, the 33-year-old
left-hander is instead expected to sign with Texas.
-- Kansas City Star
Joe Randa's addition will push Freddy Sanchez, the
Pirates' starting third baseman down the stretch last
season, back into a utility infielder role.
-- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
Go Yankees!
Scott
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/YankeesMVP1/
This question is raging in lots of boards and groups,
especially since Raf Pamiero has said he would
consider playing a final year for a winning team, and
the Yankees intrigued him. We don't know if he
intrigues the Yankees, but the questions remains.
We have the following pitchers: Johnson, Mussina,
Pavano, Chacon, Wang, Wright, Small, Farnsworth,
Villone, Myers, Dotel, Sturtze, Rivera. That's 13, so
somebody has got to go. It could be a "wait and see,"
since Dotel is not due back until May 1 at the
earliest and maybe not then. If he comes back and is
major league ready we could have some interesting
trading chips come July. 13 pitchers
Catchers: Posada and Stinnett. No surplus here.
Nieves is listed on the 40 man roster. 2 catchers.
We might want to grab Miguel Olivo who is a non-tender
and put him on the 40 man roster, or just invite him
to Spring Training on a minor league contract. 2
catchers.
Infielders:Cano, Giambi, Jeter, Rodriguez, Cairo,
Phillips. 6 infielders.
Outfielders: Crosby, Matsui, Sheffield, Williams,
Damon. That's 5 outfielders.
Total: 26, somebody has to go since we can only have a
25 man roster. That somebody would be someone in the
pitching group to bring us to 12.
It raises several questions. Right now it looks like
DH would be rotated around a bit rather than one
person. I wonder if we don't actually need to dump 2
pitchers(and who would they be?) to get one more bat
on the field? If we don't get at least one more
position player we don't have much in the way pinch
hitters coming off the bench.
Another question would be are we satisfied with Andy
Phillips as our power-hitting late inning replacement
for Giambi, and pinch-hitter off the bench? I'm not
sure we can combine those two roles. To give JoeT
some flexibility we may need one more bench player.
It should be a feared hitter like Ruben Sierra was,
someone who can play some in the field but is mostly a
pure hitter, a mercenary hitter.
Why not Palmiero? If he works out, fine. If not,
since we sign him cheap, no big loss and we find
somebody in July who will give us the offense we need.
I can see him hitting a few bombs into the short
porch, and he is available for almost nothing.
Do we carry 11 or 12 pitchers? No one has ever
carried 13~ And that wont' be a question until Dotel
is healthy, but do we carry 12 and lose an important
bat? Would an older player like Palmiero get in the
way of Phillips development?
I just don't think the Yankees are quite done. And,
it may be Spring Training before all this gets figured
out. In the meantime, if Palmiero is interested why
not sign him to an incentive laden minor league deal
that has a clause that says that if he tests positive
he's cut?
Right now our PH corps is as follows: Crosby,
Stinnett, Phillips, Cairo, assuming Bernie is the
pretty regular DH. That will not strike much fear
into anyone's heart! LOL!
I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
Go Yankees!
Scott
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Here is the list of non-tendered players for 2005. Realizing that David Ortiz was a non-tender by the Twins when Boston grabbed him, is there anyone here who we could offer a minor league deal and they might prove a genuine surprise? I'm thinking Bo Hart, for one... maybe Ken Harvey... how about Miguel Olivo? At one time we would have traded to get Eric Byrnes...
Atlanta (2): Jim Brower, Wes Obermueller Baltimore: Eric Byrnes, Kurt Ainsworth, Eddy Rodriguez Boston (2): Wade Miller, Chad Bradford Chicago White Sox (4): Jon Adkins, Felix Diaz, Willie Harris and Timo Perez Cincinnati (2): Ramon Ortiz, Joe Valentine Cleveland (1): Jose Diaz Colorado (1): Jose Acevedo, Ryan Spilborghs Florida (1): Joe Dillion Kansas City (2): Shawn Camp, Ken Harvey Los Angeles (3): Mike Edwards, Brian Myrow, Jason
Phillips Milwaukee (2): Jeff Bennett and Dan Kolb Minnesota (1): Grant Balfour New York Mets (2): Tyler Yates, Wayne Lydon New York Yankees (1): Wayne Franklin Oakland (1): Hiram Bocachcia Philadelphia (1): Endy Chavez Pittsburgh (1): Josh Fogg San Diego (3): Dewon Brazelton, Miguel Olivo, Craig Breslow Seattle (3): Cha-Seung Baek, Ryan Franklin, Jamal Strong St. Louis (4): Bo Hart, Mike Mahoney, Mike Lincoln, Scott Seabol Tampa Bay (4): Joe Borowski, Lance Carter, Mike Rose, Trever Miller Texas (1): Nick Regilio Washington (4): Alex Escobar, T.J. Tucker, Junio Spivey, Rick Short
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A Boston Red Sox newspaper beat reporter may have summed it up best when he led off his story on outfielder Johnny Damon switching teams with five words: "The Idiot is in pinstripes."
Damon, one of "The Idiots" on the 2004 World Series champions, shocked the Boston area and many baseball fans when he spurned a lesser contract offer from the Red Sox to sign a four-year deal with the New York Yankees worth $52 million. Damon passed his physical - and lost most of
his appeal with the ladies when he shed the long hair and beard for the soulless look of a Yankee - and was introduced to the media just before Christmas.
Early Christmas present for the Yankee lovers, or a just plain bad idea? That won't be known until the end of the 2006 season, when Damon completes his first year in the Big Apple, but a first glance at this free-agent signing suggests both good and bad could be coming to the New York area. As for the Red Sox? Well, the news is almost all bad.
Damon first broke into baseball during the 1995 season, when he joined the Kansas City Royals and had solid numbers during his inaugural year. Batting .282 in 47 games, Damon showed enough muscle to earn a spot on the parent club for all of 1996. He batted .271 with 140 hits and went on to a successful career in Missouri. The Royals' budget problems meant Damon would soon join a
list of Kansas City players destined to finish out their careers in other cities, and Damon found himself headed to Oakland in a trade prior to 2001.
In his lone season with the Athletics, Damon hit .256 and drove in 49 runs but had just nine home runs, just over half his homer output in Kansas City during the 2000 campaign. A minor slump was not enough to deter Boston from inking the free-agent hitter to a four-year deal before the 2002 season, and it was there Damon became a New England folk hero. Looking like he had just stepped off the road company of Jesus Christ Superstar, Damon and his long locks settled in for a satisfying four-year run in Boston that included the memorable 2004 World Series title.
So did "The Idiot" do well, or was he an idiot to take the deal? It depends on who you ask. A lot of Red Sox fans think Damon committed treason by going to the dark side,
while some Yankee fans welcomed Damon with open arms and others questioned whether Damon was really needed on a Murderer's Row lineup of hitters.
Adding Damon to the lineup helps bring a true leadoff hitter to the Yankees, something shortstop Derek Jeter did out of necessity because the team truly lacked a solid leadoff guy who could run, hit and display some power. Damon's power is not the most overwhelming, as he has only 130 home runs in 11 big-league seasons, but he also has 281 stolen bases during that stretch. Included in the theft total are seven years with 20 or more stolen bases, including a high of 46 with KC in 2000.
Damon's ability to score runs is well-known throughout all of baseball. He has scored 100 or more runs each of the past eight seasons thanks to his knack of getting on base and making the most out of his opportunities. He did have 197 hits last
year, the second-highest total of his career (the high mark came in 2000 with the Royals, when he had 214).
So the offense is there. The ability to run the bases is there. What is the problem? All together now: Johnny Damon can't pitch.
I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Infielder Miguel Cairo and the New York Yankees reached a preliminary agreement Wednesday on a $1 million, one-year contract.
Cairo's deal is pending a physical, which likely will take place this week.
He was with the Yankees in 2004,
winning the starting job at second base during the second half of the season and winding up with a .292 average and 42 RBIs. He wanted to re-sign but the Yankees balked at his contract request last December and instead signed Tony Womack, who lost his job one month into the season and was dealt to Cincinnati this month.
Cairo landed with the New York Mets as a backup infielder and outfielder, and he batted .251 with 19 RBIs.
He would be a reserve infielder with the Yankees, who have Robinson Cano returning at second base.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Infielder Miguel Cairo and the New York Yankees neared agreement Wednesday on a one-year contract worth between $900,000 and $1 million.
Cairo was with the Yankees in 2004, winning the starting job at
second base during the second half of the season and winding up with a .292 average and 42 RBIs. He wanted to re-sign but the Yankees balked at his contract request last December and instead signed Tony Womack, who lost his job one month into the season and was dealt to Cincinnati this month.
Cairo landed with the New York Mets as a backup infielder and outfielder, and he batted .251 with 19 RBIs.
He would be a reserve infielder with the Yankees, who have Robinson Cano returning at second base.
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RAFAEL PALMEIRO doesn't know. He doesn't know if he wants to continue playing the game he has played for the past 19 years, and he still doesn't know, he said yesterday, how steroids got into his body and prompted a positive test. The two unknowns could be linked.
Given the way last season ended for him - the stunning suspension, the poor performance upon his return, the injuries that gave the Baltimore Orioles an excuse to send him home - Palmeiro, a free agent, would ideally like to play another year or two, bat .300 and hit 30 home runs or so each season.
But, he added in a telephone interview: "I think it is an unfair thing to expect me to do at the age of 41, 42, play the way I did when I was 30. But maybe if I have some solid years and don't test positive, they can say he went out and hit that way. Maybe
that's what I can do."
But first he would have to decide if he wants to play next season, and that's a decision he hasn't made.
"At this point I really don't know," he said, speaking publicly for the first time since last season. "I love baseball and I'd like to play forever, but there are other things that are important." He mentioned his two sons, ages 15 and 10. "There are things I have to weigh. Baseball needs to be second to my family. I'm still interested in playing. I want to see what options I have. If there's something that's intriguing, I'll do it."
And what might he find intriguing?
"I'm not sure," he said. "Well, obviously I'd like to play for a good team. I'd have to see what the options are out there. The Yankees would
be intriguing. I grew up being a Yankee fan; I've always loved the Yankees. But the Yankees seem to be maxed out."
The Yankees also play in New York, where reaction to Palmeiro's steroid experience would likely be the most severe. That experience remains a mystery.
Believe, if you choose, that Palmeiro always used steroids and that he built his career - 3,020 hits, 569 home runs - on them. Believe, which I am inclined to do now, that his positive test represented an aberration, that it was an unfortunate one-time shot. But was it an accidental or a deliberate shot? Accidental but not intelligent, Palmeiro said.
"I wish I could pinpoint exactly what happened," he said. "I would think it was the B-12. I'm not certain of that; I can't prove it."
He referred to the liquid vitamin he got from a teammate, Miguel Tejada, who brought a supply with him from the Dominican Republic, where performance-enhancing substances are not handled as
strictly as they are here. But Tejada, two other unidentified members of the Orioles whom the shortstop supplied with B-12 and a vial that Tejada gave to Major League Baseball all tested negative for steroids.
"I wish I could have turned in the vial for testing," Palmeiro said of the vial he used, "but when I found out, it was long gone and I couldn't come up with it. If something happened that I'm not aware of, an intentional act by someone else, I don't know. I can't rule out anything."
But he added: "I'm going to take the responsibility, me being careless and taking something I wasn't knowing if it was clean, having full trust in what I was getting. It was careless, stupid, naïve of me to think it was safe."
Maybe it's stupid and naïve to think that Palmeiro made a one-time mistake, whether with a B-12 shot or a knowing shot of stanozolol, which he tested positive for and which experts describe as a serious steroid. But investigators for the
House Committee on Government Reform who sought to determine whether Palmeiro lied under oath to the committee last March when he vehemently denied using steroids, not only failed to prove perjury, but their exhaustive investigation also turned up no evidence of any steroid use.
Different sets of doctors and trainers from the Orioles and the Texas Rangers told the committee that Palmeiro has never had the body of a steroid user.
"I weighed 190 when I was 22 years old, and I've mostly weighed 205 throughout my career," said Palmeiro, a 6-foot first baseman. "The Orioles' guide says I weigh 215. I've never weighed more than 210."
Palmeiro, who wasn't suspended until Aug. 1 because he challenged the test results, thought back to May 4, the day he was
tested. His tests the previous two seasons were negative, and a test he took three weeks later was negative.
"Never in my wildest dreams did it cross my mind that I had something in my body. That was the furthest thing from my mind. I went in after the game," he said. "I wasn't hiding anything. If I had done anything, I would have been scrambling to figure out what to do. I was stunned when they called me and said I had tested positive. I thought someone was playing a sick joke on me."
After sitting out for 10 days, Palmeiro returned to the Orioles and managed to get only 2 hits in 26 times at bat. Struggling with leg injuries, he went home to Texas, his season over.
"It didn't end exactly the way I wanted it to," he said. "What happened was devastating to me and my family. It left a sour taste in my mouth."
Could he erase the taste by playing next season? "I guess I'd have to consider that," he said. "If I decide not to come back, I
hope people look at my whole career and not base their decision on an innocent mistake I made. I hope they don't base their decision on what happened to me in a three-, four- or five-week period. Look at my career and base their opinion on that."
He was talking primarily about Hall of Fame voters. Despite being one of only four players in history to reach 3,000 hits and 500 home runs, he was not a certain Hall of Famer, but he had probably a better than even chance of being elected. When he becomes eligible five or six or seven years from now, depending on when he retires, one positive steroid test could negate all of those hits and home runs.
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Hideki Matsui may have disappointed thousands of fans in his native Japan yesterday by announcing he was skipping the World Baseball Classic, but Matsui felt he owed it to the Yankees after the respect they showed him
this offseason.
Matsui, according to a report in the Japanese publication Sankei Sports, believes the Yankees made an investment in him worthy of a superstar by giving him a four-year, $52-million contract in November, and he intends to prove to them it was worth it.
So even though there was a great deal of pressure on him to represent Japan next month in a tournament built on national pride, Matsui thought it's more important to be with the Yankees for spring training, especially with it being the first year of his deal.
"I know that it would be ideal to play for both club and country and I understand that Sadaharu Oh and the fans were hoping I would do that," Matsui said in a statement. " . . . The reason I decided to go to the United States was to become a world champion with the Yankees, and I fear that chasing two goals might get in the way of that dream."
Matsui felt so badly about turning his country down, according to Sankei Sports, that he wrote a 15-page letter apologizing for his decision and explaining it to Oh, the Japanese slugger who will be the
country's manager in the tournament.
Matsui also thinks it is important to be with the Yankees in March because he wants to end his trend of getting off to slow starts. During his first three seasons with the Yankees, Matsui has batted .255 (69-for-271) with six home runs and 44 RBIs in April.
Alex Rodriguez also pulled out, telling officials he did not want to choose between the United States and the Dominican Republic and disappoint the other.
Tournament officials said during their presentation at the winter meetings that Derek Jeter (United States), Johnny Damon (United States), Robinson Cano (Dominican Republic) and Bernie Williams (Puerto Rico) have expressed an interest in playing.
Chien-Ming Wang also wants to play, and has been working out with the Taiwan team this offseason, according to his agent, Alan Chang. But the Yankees have told baseball officials they have reservations about Wang taking part because of the rotator cuff tear he suffered
last July, according to a person familiar with the situation.
Chang said Wang plans to return to the United States next month to continue his workouts in Arizona, where he shares the same trainer as Randy Johnson.
"When he reports to Yankees spring training in February, the Yankees medical and training staff will evaluate him and make the appropriate recommendation at that time," Chang added.
Notes & quotes: The Yankees expect to sign utility infielder Miguel Cairo to a one-year deal this week, according to a person familiar with the negotiations. Cairo, who was the Yankees' starting second baseman in 2004, probably could receive more playing time with another team, but he prefers to return to the Yankees after a year with the Mets.
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NEW YORK -- The Yankees seem likely to add Miguel Cairo in the coming days in what could
be their final significant off-season move.
Although a deal is not imminent, Cairo has expressed an interest in returning to the Yankees, and he fits their need for a utility player.
The Yankees, who should soon officially announce the signing of right-hander Octavio Dotel, seem not to have need for much more. They claim they are not seeking a first baseman to split time with Jason Giambi (Andy Phillips is slated for that role).
Cairo, who turns 32 in May, would serve as a backup infielder and insurance at second base should Robinson Cano suffer a sophomore slump.
Cairo hit .251 in 100 games (81 starts) for the Mets this year. He was the Yankees' starting second baseman for most of 2004, batting .292, but was allowed to leave as a free agent when they signed Tony Womack, who was traded to Cincinnati earlier this month.
Cairo has a .270 career average over 929 games with Toronto, the Chicago Cubs, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, the Yankees and the Mets.
Hideki Matsui reportedly has decided to skip the World Baseball Classic. Unlike Alex Rodriguez, it was not because he cannot decide on a home nation, but because he wants to concentrate on playing for the Yankees.
"I have decided not to join up with the national squad," Matsui said in a
statement, according to Kyodo News. "I know that it would be ideal to play for both club and country and I understand that (Japan manager) Sadaharu Oh and the fans were hoping I would do that.
"But the reason I decided to go to the United States was to try and become a world champion with the Yankees and I fear that chasing two goals might get in the way of that dream."
Under pressure to represent his country, Matsui wrote a 15-page letter to Oh explaining his feelings of an obligation to the Yankees, according to Japanese newspaper Sankei Sports.
Agent Arn Tellem did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman had heard media reports of Matsui's withdrawal but no official word.
Among big-league teams, the Yankees have been most opposed to the WBC. Puerto Rico agreed not to take Jorge Posada after the Yankees filed a request to keep him, among others, from playing.
Matsui -- fresh
off a four-year, $52 million extension -- was likely to miss much of spring training had he played for Japan. If Japan reaches the second round, which it is favored to do, its major-leaguers will not report to team camps until at least March 17.
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There was some rejoicing in the Yankee offices yesterday when team executives learned that Hideki Matsui had told a Japanese news service that he would not participate in next spring's World Baseball Classic.
Matsui is the second Yankee star - Alex Rodriguez was the other - to say that he would not play in Bud Selig's dream tournament that will feature teams from 16 nations in
March. Right now, the only Yankees who have said they would play are Derek Jeter and Johnny Damon for the U.S., Bernie Williams for Puerto Rico and Robinson Cano for the Dominican Republic.
The Yankees are leery of the tournament and the possibility of their key players getting injured. Matsui, however, said he was passing on the WBC because of the commitment he made to the Yankees. Matsui signed a four-year, $52 million contract in November after playing three seasons in New York.
"The reason I decided to go to the United States was to try and become a world champion with the Yankees, and I fear that chasing two goals might get in the way of that dream," Matsui said in a statement to the Kyodo News Agency.
Late Monday, Matsui told Sadaharu Oh, the manager of the Japanese team and perhaps Japan's best-known slugger, that he would not play. Oh had personally asked Matsui to play.
"I know that it would be ideal to play for both club and country and I
understand that Sadaharu Oh and the fans were hoping I would do that," Matsui told Kyodo.
While keeping mum publicly, the Yankees have been vocal opponents of the tournament behind the scenes, including at the GM meetings in November. They, like other teams, petitioned the Classic committee to have several of their players removed from consideration. There are multiple reasons why a player could be removed - age and injury history among them - and the Yankees were successful in getting Jorge Posada restricted although the catcher wanted to play for Puerto Rico.
The Yankees petitioned to have other players removed, too. Randy Johnson and Mike Mussina are believed to be among them and, in information released by Major League Baseball, neither is listed as participating.
The Yankees would prefer if Chien-Ming Wang, who had arm problems during his terrific rookie season, did not pitch for Chinese Taipei, but Wang is one of the country's top available players and
could participate.
There was some rejoicing in the Yankee offices yesterday when team executives learned that Hideki Matsui had told a Japanese news service that he would not participate in next spring's World Baseball Classic.
Matsui is the second Yankee star - Alex Rodriguez was the other - to say that he would not play in Bud Selig's dream tournament that will feature teams from 16 nations in
March. Right now, the only Yankees who have said they would play are Derek Jeter and Johnny Damon for the U.S., Bernie Williams for Puerto Rico and Robinson Cano for the Dominican Republic.
The Yankees are leery of the tournament and the possibility of their key players getting injured. Matsui, however, said he was passing on the WBC because of the commitment he made to the Yankees. Matsui signed a four-year, $52 million contract in November after playing three seasons in New York.
"The reason I decided to go to the United States was to try and become a world champion with the Yankees, and I fear that chasing two goals might get in the way of that dream," Matsui said in a statement to the Kyodo News Agency.
Late Monday, Matsui told Sadaharu Oh, the manager of the Japanese team and perhaps Japan's best-known slugger, that he would not play. Oh had personally asked Matsui to play.
"I know that it would be ideal to play for both club and country and I
understand that Sadaharu Oh and the fans were hoping I would do that," Matsui told Kyodo.
While keeping mum publicly, the Yankees have been vocal opponents of the tournament behind the scenes, including at the GM meetings in November. They, like other teams, petitioned the Classic committee to have several of their players removed from consideration. There are multiple reasons why a player could be removed - age and injury history among them - and the Yankees were successful in getting Jorge Posada restricted although the catcher wanted to play for Puerto Rico.
The Yankees petitioned to have other players removed, too. Randy Johnson and Mike Mussina are believed to be among them and, in information released by Major League Baseball, neither is listed as participating.
The Yankees would prefer if Chien-Ming Wang, who had arm problems during his terrific rookie season, did not pitch for Chinese Taipei, but Wang is one of the country's top available players and
could participate.
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By HIROKO TABUCHI, Associated Press Writer December 27, 2005
TOKYO (AP) -- New York Yankees outfielder Hideki Matsui has decided against joining Japan's squad at the 16-nation World Baseball Classic next March, a Japanese baseball official said Tuesday.
Matsui told Japan squad manager Sadaharu Oh late Monday he would sit out the inaugural tournament, according to Hiroshi Kimura, a spokesman for the Oh's Japanese league team, the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks. Kimura said he could not elaborate.
Kyodo News agency quoted the slugger as saying he wanted to concentrate on his role in the Yankees.
"The reason I decided to go to the United States was to try and become a world champion with the Yankees, and I fear that chasing two goals might get in the way of that dream," Kyodo quoted Matsui as saying in a statement.
In a country that places a premium on duty, there has been tremendous pressure on Matsui to represent Japan at the World Cup-style tournament in March.
Oh,
a legendary home-run hitter and former Yomiuri Giants star, personally appealed to Matsui to join the team.
"I know that it would be ideal to play for both club and country and I understand that Sadaharu Oh and the fans were hoping I would do that," Matsui said, according to Kyodo.
Japan will be home for the first round of the tournament, March 3-5 at the Tokyo Dome. Japan is part of Group A, with South Korea, China and Taiwan.
Matsui last month agreed to a four-year, $52 million contract with the Yankees and has repeatedly said he wants to improve on his statistics from last season, when he batted .305 with 23 homers and 116 RBIs.
JOHNNY DAMON had barely arrived in New York when he found himself being anointed the next in the line of succession of great Yankees center fielders, the latest to take on the role that is widely viewed as the most glamorous in sports.
If there is a truly trite and overblown notion in sports, it is the myth of the Yankees' center fielders.
The Yankees have had three great center fielders, the first of whom most of us easily forget. All three are in the Hall of Fame: Earle Combs, Joe DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle. The line ended with Mantle nearly 40 years ago, and it has not regenerated itself, no matter what fans of Bernie Williams think.
Except for two years of Ben Chapman in the mid-1930's, Combs, DiMaggio and Mantle basically covered center field at Yankee Stadium for 40 years, from 1925 through 1966.
But when Mantle became a first baseman in 1967, Joe Pepitone replaced him and began a succession of center fielders who were never confused with Hall of Famers: Ron Woods, Bobby Murcer, Elliott Maddox, Mickey Rivers, Bobby Brown, Jerry Mumphrey, Omar Moreno, Rickey Henderson (an almost certain Hall of Famer, but
as a left fielder), Claudell Washington and Roberto Kelly.
None of these players assumed the mantle of Mickey and Joe, or Earle, for that matter.
Forty years ago, we were told that Murcer would be next in the line. The similarities were too striking to ignore. An Oklahoman who reached the major leagues as a shortstop, then was switched to center field, he would be the reincarnation of Mantle.
He never was, of course, and Bob Fishel, the Yankees' great public relations man, acknowledged that he had taken Murcer's similarities to Mantle and overhyped them.
Murcer was a solid player for several seasons, but the Yankees conceded he was not the next Mantle with a two-step process. First, Manager Bill Virdon switched Murcer to right field, believing Maddox would be a better center fielder (he was). Then General Manager Gabe Paul traded Murcer to the San Francisco Giants for Bobby Bonds after the 1974 season.
Williams was the center fielder in the second halves of 1991 and 1992, then took over the position through last season, when he surpassed Mantle to become the Yankee with the most games played in center - 1,828 to 1,745.
Still, as important as longevity and popularity may be, they don't earn Williams a place in the line of royal succession.
Williams has been a solid player - he hit better than .300 for eight consecutive seasons - and he contributed significantly to the Yankees' postseason successes. But he was not the Gold Glove outfielder he was voted to be from 1997 to 2000, and he was not a dominant hitter in the American League.
Nor will he be a serious candidate for the Hall of Fame five years after he retires, as Combs,
DiMaggio and Mantle were.
Williams has been a good player but not a great player. And in his years with the Yankees, Damon can reasonably be expected to be a good center fielder but not a great one.
Greatness does not come along as often as it would have to in order for the Yankees to have a DiMaggio or a Mantle out in center field on an annual basis. Mythmakers aside, the Yankees have had mixed success with center fielders.
In 1984, looking for the best answer, Manager Yogi Berra tried platooning center fielders for a while. His problem was that the two players he platooned, Moreno and Ken Griffey Sr., were left-handed hitters.
"Why do I have to play against the lefty pitchers?" Griffey lamented.
When the Yankees acquired Henderson before the 1985 season, he had primarily been a left fielder in his first six seasons with Oakland, playing 742 games in left and 42 games in center. The Yankees, however, needed a center
fielder.
Henderson said he didn't like the position because the extra running affected his legs and curtailed his base-stealing ability. But he was the center fielder in his first two years with the Yankees and managed to steal 167 bases, leading the league both seasons.
Now comes Damon. He should give the Yankees better outfield coverage than Williams, who too often didn't get to balls he should have, though like Williams, Damon has a weak throwing arm. In his four years with the Red Sox, Damon had 23 assists, compared with the 13 that Williams had for the Yankees in that time.
What Damon will give the Yankees is the game's best leadoff hitter - in his opinion, at least. That's what Damon called himself in a television interview the day he signed
with the Yankees.
"A good leadoff hitter is tough to find, and I think that New York just found the best leadoff hitter in the game," he said.
Asked at his Yankee Stadium news conference on Friday what made him the best leadoff hitter, he said: "I believe it has to be the total number of pitches I see to help get the starting pitchers out of the game sooner than they want to be, the ability to drive in runs, the ability to score runs, get on base. You have to be a dominant player. You can't just run into outs."
Nor will he become No. 4 in the pantheon of great Yankees center fielders.
I believe this acquisition makes the BLue Jays the official top contender to dethrone our Yankees. Not sure they can do it, but they are a lot stronger. They have some good pitching, not enough, and a pretty souped up offense with Overbay and Glaus. This could be entirely too interesting.
Scott Coulter <scottcoulter@...> wrote:
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Go Yankees! Scott
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