http://www.PennStateClips.com/2009/11/penn-state-has-edge-in-statistics.html

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

I think Bowman will go. In addition to Kevin's points re: the NFL policies,
Bowman's personal situation would lean heavily towards making the move. He comes
from an area of limited resources and is already married with a child. I think
Joe would advise him to go in those circumstances.

Rocko


----- Original Message -----
From: "Trader Kevin" <cbot_kevin@...>
To: "We Are Penn State" <We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:43:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Will Bowman Turn Pro?






Tricia Lafferty, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

>> Bowman said whether he'll forego his senior year depends on the draft
projection he receives from the NFL.

"It has to be first round," Bowman said. "I want to be the best. To be the best,
you have to win. Being first round is why I've been waking up at 5 or 6 o'clock
in the morning--just to be the best and get drafted as the best." <<

There's another factor, one which could cause a lot of juniors to declare. NFL
owners voted 32-0 to opt out of the collective bargaining agreement, meaning
there will be no salary cap in 2010 and a possible lockout in 2011. Moreover,
the new collective bargaining agreement might well include provisions to limit
rookie salaries/bonuses.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin




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Mark Cronmiller:

>> I have seen all I need to from davon smith. I am sure I was right about him -
can't play at this level. #7 and # 19 look like players. <<

You need to forgive Tom Boyer, he can be a tad hyperbolic at times. (Davon Smith
= Bobby Engram, Dion Lewis = Emmitt Smith, Notre Dame doesn't have any NFL
players, etc.)

Agree with you that DAY-von is not an every-down player, but I think we'll find
a few touches for him every game. (As an aside, nor does Stephfon Green look
like an every-down back, which makes Beachum's injury all the more painful.)

Is it just me or does Curtis Drake look like what we thought we were getting
when we signed D-Will?

Also agree on Justin Brown. Was disappointed they didn't throw any balls to him
on Saturday. (I didn't even realize he played, but he's on the participation
sheet.)

New quarterback next year, but at least he'll have a ton of players to throw
to...if he has time!

Why did Moye disappear again? Do those of you who were at the game(s) have any
insights? Seems like Ohio State jammed him effectively, did Indiana do the same
thing?

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Speaking of aging bodies... I just finished up getting ready for Medicare...
Hygeia help us! When your time comes good luck. As a for instance... AARP,
through United Healthcare, offers parts A through L to help provide coverage.

And what's up with KRY?

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From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve & Becky
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:28 AM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Bend over Nittany Nation, seat licenses
coming



I was a season ticket holder for two years, '05 & '06 (I take personal
responsibility for the teams turn-around during that time, ha) but gave them up
when the long travel from Virginia became too much ... not to mention the toll
that the cold, rainy weather in '06 took on my rapidly aging body, ha. That
being said, Jim and all other season ticket holders I think it's a shame that
you waste PSU tickets. We should have a process in effect here that people can
sell tickets so none are wasted. Let me be the first to add my name to a list of
people interested in buying available tickets. Please keep this in mine next and
future years, thanks.

We are ...

Steve '69 in VA

--- In
We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com<mailto:We_Are_Penn_State%40yahoogroups.com>,
Jim Genuardi <jsg@...> wrote:
>
> I've never been a member of the NLC, at least I've never donated money
> to the club. I've had season tickets for about 25 years and have always
> just paid the annual cost for my 2 seats in section NB. Have I somehow
> been getting by on the cheap for all of these years?
>
> I'm very interested to see how this plays out. Many years I don't
> attend any games, some years I attend 1 game. Many times I sell my
> tickets to my brother or to people he knows who want to attend the
> games. I charge them face value for each ticket since that is all I
> pay. If I would have to pay $200 per season to keep my current 2 seats
> I'd likely give them up. If face value is $55 and I have to pay $100
> per ticket I'd have to start charging my brother and others who buy the
> tickets an extra $10 - $15 per game. I often end up eating tickets for
> 1 or 2 games a season. Don't see how I could charge $65 or $70 per game
> and expect to sell as many games as I'm selling now. I'd probably take
> my chances with being relocated in the stadium if given that option.
>
> Jim G. '80
>
> Rocko wrote:
> > OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the
NLC? PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation
to the NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they
would like add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat
license.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.
> >
> > Rocko
>



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I was a season ticket holder for two years, '05 & '06 (I take personal
responsibility for the teams turn-around during that time, ha) but gave them up
when the long travel from Virginia became too much ... not to mention the toll
that the cold, rainy weather in '06 took on my rapidly aging body, ha.  That
being said, Jim and all other season ticket holders I think it's a shame that
you waste PSU tickets.  We should have a process in effect here that people can
sell tickets so none are wasted.  Let me be the first to add my name to a list
of people interested in buying available tickets.  Please keep this in mine next
and future years, thanks.

We are ...

Steve '69 in VA

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, Jim Genuardi <jsg@...> wrote:
>
> I've never been a member of the NLC, at least I've never donated money
> to the club.  I've had season tickets for about 25 years and have always
> just paid the annual cost for my 2 seats in section NB.  Have I somehow
> been getting by on the cheap for all of these years?
>
> I'm very interested to see how this plays out.  Many years I don't
> attend any games, some years I attend 1 game.  Many times I sell my
> tickets to my brother or to people he knows who want to attend the
> games.  I charge them face value for each ticket since that is all I
> pay.  If I would have to pay $200 per season to keep my current 2 seats
> I'd likely give them up.  If face value is $55 and I have to pay $100
> per ticket I'd have to start charging my brother and others who buy the
> tickets an extra $10 - $15 per game.  I often end up eating tickets for
> 1 or 2 games a season.  Don't see how I could charge $65 or $70 per game
> and expect to sell as many games as I'm selling now.  I'd probably take
> my chances with being relocated in the stadium if given that option.
>
> Jim G. '80
>
> Rocko wrote:
> > OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the
NLC? PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation
to the NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they
would like add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat
license.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.
> >
> > Rocko
>

yes, pitt does a better reccruiting job with pa kids

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, B. Gates <bgates@...> wrote:

> From: B. Gates <bgates@...>
> Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Penn State to BCS?
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
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I believe if you are in the endzone, there will be no fee. It's just for those
on the sides as I read it. I think we need to wait for the official announcement
- probably next year.

Rocko

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Genuardi" <jsg@...>
To: "We Are Penn State" <We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:55:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Bend over Nittany Nation, seat licenses
coming






Thanks for the info. Rocko, I guess it pays to be a grandfather
sometimes. ;-)

Another question about the proposal. It suggested that season ticket
holders who don't want to pay the license fee would be displaced to
section ED, which is currently a student section. That looks like an
upgrade from my current seats, as I'm now in the corner of the north end
zone (although being in row 10 is nice at times). Section ED looks like
it is around the 30 yard line, so even if I got moved up quite a bit in
terms of the row I was sitting in, I think I'd rather be sitting
somewhere near the 25 or 30 rather than the corner of the end zone.
Should be interesting.

Jim

Rocko wrote:
> Jim, I assume you are 'grand-fathered' in under the policy before an NLC
donation became a requirement to get tickets. The rules now require you to
donate, and there are levels that dictate how many tickets you can get. I think
the lowest level might be $250 to get two tickets. So, if you are not paying
that, you are already at least $250 ahead. :-)
>
> I just had a guy come into my office this morning and tell me he will drop
down from 4 to 2 tickets based on this, because he has a very difficult time
selling his two extras for most games anyway. They may need to expand the
endzone to hold all the people that choose not to pay. :-)
>
> Rocko
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Genuardi" < jsg@... >
> To: "We Are Penn State" < We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com >
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:04:34 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Bend over Nittany Nation, seat licenses
coming
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I've never been a member of the NLC, at least I've never donated money
> to the club. I've had season tickets for about 25 years and have always
> just paid the annual cost for my 2 seats in section NB. Have I somehow
> been getting by on the cheap for all of these years?
>
> I'm very interested to see how this plays out. Many years I don't
> attend any games, some years I attend 1 game. Many times I sell my
> tickets to my brother or to people he knows who want to attend the
> games. I charge them face value for each ticket since that is all I
> pay. If I would have to pay $200 per season to keep my current 2 seats
> I'd likely give them up. If face value is $55 and I have to pay $100
> per ticket I'd have to start charging my brother and others who buy the
> tickets an extra $10 - $15 per game. I often end up eating tickets for
> 1 or 2 games a season. Don't see how I could charge $65 or $70 per game
> and expect to sell as many games as I'm selling now. I'd probably take
> my chances with being relocated in the stadium if given that option.
>
> Jim G. '80
>
> Rocko wrote:
>
>> OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the
NLC? PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation
to the NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they
would like add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat
license.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.
>>
>> Rocko
>>
>
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Thanks for the info. Rocko, I guess it pays to be a grandfather
sometimes.   ;-)

Another question about the proposal.  It suggested that season ticket
holders who don't want to pay the license fee would be displaced to
section ED, which is currently a student section.  That looks like an
upgrade from my current seats, as I'm now in the corner of the north end
zone (although being in row 10 is nice at times).  Section ED looks like
it is around the 30 yard line, so even if I got moved up quite a bit in
terms of the row I was sitting in, I think I'd rather be sitting
somewhere near the 25 or 30 rather than the corner of the end zone.
Should be interesting.

Jim

Rocko wrote:
> Jim, I assume you are 'grand-fathered' in under the policy before an NLC
donation became a requirement to get tickets. The rules now require you to
donate, and there are levels that dictate how many tickets you can get. I think
the lowest level might be $250 to get two tickets. So, if you are not paying
that, you are already at least $250 ahead. :-)
>
> I just had a guy come into my office this morning and tell me he will drop
down from 4 to 2 tickets based on this, because he has a very difficult time
selling his two extras for most games anyway. They may need to expand the
endzone to hold all the people that choose not to pay. :-)
>
> Rocko
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Genuardi" <jsg@...>
> To: "We Are Penn State" <We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:04:34 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Bend over Nittany Nation, seat licenses
coming
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I've never been a member of the NLC, at least I've never donated money
> to the club. I've had season tickets for about 25 years and have always
> just paid the annual cost for my 2 seats in section NB. Have I somehow
> been getting by on the cheap for all of these years?
>
> I'm very interested to see how this plays out. Many years I don't
> attend any games, some years I attend 1 game. Many times I sell my
> tickets to my brother or to people he knows who want to attend the
> games. I charge them face value for each ticket since that is all I
> pay. If I would have to pay $200 per season to keep my current 2 seats
> I'd likely give them up. If face value is $55 and I have to pay $100
> per ticket I'd have to start charging my brother and others who buy the
> tickets an extra $10 - $15 per game. I often end up eating tickets for
> 1 or 2 games a season. Don't see how I could charge $65 or $70 per game
> and expect to sell as many games as I'm selling now. I'd probably take
> my chances with being relocated in the stadium if given that option.
>
> Jim G. '80
>
> Rocko wrote:
>
>> OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the
NLC? PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation
to the NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they
would like add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat
license.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.
>>
>> Rocko
>>
>
>
>
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I have been negligent in watching the recorded games this year. I may NEVER
watch the OSU game.

Dave Kroll   Penn State Proud
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From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mark.Cronmiller@...
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:58 AM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Re:Anybody else notice



...the truly horrific hold Eliades got away with on PSU's tying touchdown
before halftime?
--------------
Pretty sure everyone in the stadium and on BTN saw it.
Davies or Mason (whomever was doing color, I get them confused) went on
and on and on and on about the missed call.
He also said that the non-interception call on the first drive was the
correct call - still can't believe that was not reviewed.

Watched the PSU-OSU game on BTN last night. Another bad call. After our
TD, we kicked off (the squibber), and pinned OSU deep (at the 14) -
somehow the refs spotted the ball at the 19. I saw this at the game,
couldn't understand it. No idea what happened? Anyone else see this?

Mark

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...the truly horrific hold Eliades got away with on PSU's tying touchdown
before halftime?
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Pretty sure everyone in the stadium and on BTN saw it.
Davies or Mason (whomever was doing color, I get them confused) went on
and on and on and on about the missed call.
He also said that the non-interception call on the first drive was the
correct call - still can't believe that was not reviewed.

Watched the PSU-OSU game on BTN last night.  Another bad call.  After our
TD, we kicked off (the squibber), and pinned OSU deep (at the 14) -
somehow the refs spotted the ball at the 19.  I saw this at the game,
couldn't understand it.  No idea what happened?  Anyone else see this?

Mark

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I watched the PSU-MSU match. MSU was awful or PSU was just THAT much better.

Dave Kroll   Penn State Proud
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From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Eisensmith
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:49 AM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Buckeye Buddy (tm) says:



http://www.bigtennetwork.com/news/article.asp?list_id=47&story_id=3376259



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I screwed up...flat out forgot to put in a prediction.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:

>
>
> Still waiting on Steve Brame, Tom Darlington, John K, and Lane Kelly.
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>
>
>


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http://www.freep.com/article/20091116/SPORTS07/911160349/1320/Warmer-climate-awa\
its-if-MSU-wins

Did Joe in his post-game say anything about the long pass on 3rd and 4 at
the end of our game.
Clearly our leader DC was improvising, and he got an earful from Joe.

Mark

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http://www.bigtennetwork.com/news/article.asp?list_id=47&story_id=3376259

With the victory over Indiana and BCS #15 Houston going down to Central
Florida we inched closer to BCS eligibility.

A potential fly in the ointment would be an Iowa victory over Ohio State.
It's hard to imagine us getting a BCS bid over Ohio State. An Iowa victory
likely sends us to the Capital One Bowl against LSU at Mississippi winner.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
--------------
Assuming Iowa and PSU win this weekend, it will be very interesting which
team gets the BCS game.
I hope it is PSU, but will not be shocked if Iowa gets it.  Wisconsin I
think has no shot, unless PSU and Iowa lose this weekend.

Mark

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Michigan must beat Ohio State next Saturday to...

--Become bowl eligible
--Avoid their first last-place finish since 1962
--Avoid a second consecutive losing season
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Don't forget this one:
  - Give PSU there 2nd straight Big 10 title.

Mark

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not as easy to understand why he stuck with iron hands powell at the
expense of two pretty
good looking freshman neither of which was named devon smith aka the next
bobby engram.

bd
I have seen all I need to from davon smith.  I am sure I was right about
him - can't play at this level.
#7 and # 19 look like players.

Mark

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Tricia Lafferty, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

>> Bowman said whether he'll forego his senior year depends on the draft
projection he receives from the NFL.

"It has to be first round," Bowman said. "I want to be the best. To be  the
best, you have to win. Being first round is why I've been waking up at 5 or 6
o'clock in the morning--just to be the best and get drafted as the best." <<

There's another factor, one which could cause a lot of juniors to declare. NFL
owners voted 32-0 to opt out of the collective bargaining agreement, meaning
there will be no salary cap in 2010 and a possible lockout in 2011. Moreover,
the new collective bargaining agreement might well include provisions to limit
rookie salaries/bonuses.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Jim, I assume you are 'grand-fathered' in under the policy before an NLC
donation became a requirement to get tickets. The rules now require you to
donate, and there are levels that dictate how many tickets you can get. I think
the lowest level might be $250 to get two tickets. So, if you are not paying
that, you are already at least $250 ahead. :-)

I just had a guy come into my office this morning and tell me he will drop down
from 4 to 2 tickets based on this, because he has a very difficult time selling
his two extras for most games anyway. They may need to expand the endzone to
hold all the people that choose not to pay. :-)

Rocko


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Genuardi" <jsg@...>
To: "We Are Penn State" <We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:04:34 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Bend over Nittany Nation, seat licenses
coming






I've never been a member of the NLC, at least I've never donated money
to the club. I've had season tickets for about 25 years and have always
just paid the annual cost for my 2 seats in section NB. Have I somehow
been getting by on the cheap for all of these years?

I'm very interested to see how this plays out. Many years I don't
attend any games, some years I attend 1 game. Many times I sell my
tickets to my brother or to people he knows who want to attend the
games. I charge them face value for each ticket since that is all I
pay. If I would have to pay $200 per season to keep my current 2 seats
I'd likely give them up. If face value is $55 and I have to pay $100
per ticket I'd have to start charging my brother and others who buy the
tickets an extra $10 - $15 per game. I often end up eating tickets for
1 or 2 games a season. Don't see how I could charge $65 or $70 per game
and expect to sell as many games as I'm selling now. I'd probably take
my chances with being relocated in the stadium if given that option.

Jim G. '80

Rocko wrote:
> OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the NLC?
PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation to the
NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they would like
add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat license.
>
> It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.
>
> Rocko




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Penn State's Bowman weighs pros and cons of turning pro

POSTED: November 16, 2009

By TRICIA LAFFERTY

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

STATE COLLEGE - Penn State linebacker Navorro Bowman might have played
his last game at Beaver Stadium on Saturday in the Nittany Lions' home
finale. The redshirt junior is NFL bound - it's just a matter of when
he'll make the leap.

Bowman can declare for the NFL draft in mid-January, or he can play his
senior year at Penn State and enter the draft next year. Bowman has not
decided whether he'll stay or go, but he's certainly been mulling his
options.

"I've been thinking about it," Bowman said. "It's a great thing to have,
a great choice to make. I'm going to sit down with my parents and think
over what's the best choice to make."

Bowman said whether he'll forego his senior year depends on the draft
projection he receives from the NFL.

"It has to be first round," Bowman said. "I want to be the best. To be
the best, you have to win. Being first round is why I've been waking up
at 5 or 6 o'clock in the morning - just to be the best and get drafted
as the best."

Scout Inc's Top 32 lists Bowman as the No. 13 draft-eligible prospect.
He's considered the No. 2 linebacker - behind Alabama's Rolando McClain
- and the No. 1 outside linebacker. Bowman didn't fare as well on ESPN
draft expert Mel Kiper's Big Board.

Bowman burst onto the scene last season when he finished as Penn State's
leading tackler and earned first-team All-American honors.

Bowman had attracted attention before that, but for the wrong reasons.
In 2007, he was suspended for the regular-season finale and bowl game,
then the 2008 spring practice because of his involvement in an on-campus
fight.

Then, due to a probation violation, he didn't play in the 2009
Blue-White game.

But Bowman bounced back on the field this fall and straightened out his
personal life. He is Penn State's second-leading tackler with 74 stops
and ranks second on the team with 12 tackles for loss. He is tied for
the team lead with two interceptions and two recovered fumbles. Perhaps
more telling than Bowman's statistics is his big-play ability. Bowman
returned a fumble 91 yards for a touchdown against Eastern Illinois. In
a 31-20 victory against Indiana on Saturday, he returned an interception
73 yards for a touchdown.

"He is really good with the ball in his hands," said defensive
coordinator Tom Bradley, whose Lions will play Michigan State at 3:30
p.m. Saturday at Spartan Stadium. "He's a heck of an athlete. I hope we
don't lose him to offense."

Bradley was joking, of course, about Bowman switching to the offense.
But there is a good possibility Penn State will lose Bowman to the NFL.
Bowman has seen too many talented players come back for another year,
get injured and slip down the draft board. The risk of injury is one of
the biggest reasons players enter the draft early.

Bowman's good friend and former Penn State defensive end Aaron Maybin
left after his sophomore season. Maybin was drafted 11th overall by the
Buffalo Bills in the 2009 draft.

Some players who decided to remain in college didn't make out as well as
Maybin.

PSU linebacker Sean Lee came back, but tore the ACL in his right knee
during spring practice before his senior year. This year, as a
fifth-year senior, he missed time with a sprained left knee.

Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford won the Heisman last year as a
sophomore and came back for his junior season. That move is now being
questioned because Bradford injured his shoulder in the season opener
and eventually underwent season-ending surgery.

Though it was not nearly as serious, Bowman had a scare earlier this
season. He missed two starts with an injured groin but has fully
recovered. Still, all the bad luck that has struck his peers will be
considered when Bowman makes his decision.

"All those things - just seeing what happened to guys in recent years
with coming back and trying to play out college careers," Bowman said.
"Things like that, and not [being able to do] what they really wanted to
do or what they've been playing football for their whole life. I love
this game of football. If you have a chance to play against the best
guys in the world, why not take it?"

I've never been a member of the NLC, at least I've never donated money
to the club.  I've had season tickets for about 25 years and have always
just paid the annual cost for my 2 seats in section NB.  Have I somehow
been getting by on the cheap for all of these years?

I'm very interested to see how this plays out.  Many years I don't
attend any games, some years I attend 1 game.  Many times I sell my
tickets to my brother or to people he knows who want to attend the
games.  I charge them face value for each ticket since that is all I
pay.  If I would have to pay $200 per season to keep my current 2 seats
I'd likely give them up.  If face value is $55 and I have to pay $100
per ticket I'd have to start charging my brother and others who buy the
tickets an extra $10 - $15 per game.  I often end up eating tickets for
1 or 2 games a season.  Don't see how I could charge $65 or $70 per game
and expect to sell as many games as I'm selling now.  I'd probably take
my chances with being relocated in the stadium if given that option.

Jim G. '80

Rocko wrote:
> OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the NLC?
PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation to the
NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they would like
add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat license.
>
> It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.
>
> Rocko

I’m sure they do. They don’t charge as much for their tickets as we do
though. And they are like Pitt in that the price isn’t always the same. I’m
not sure what their gift program is like amount wise. The woman who does my eyes
gets tickets each year and told me about their process. I should have written it
down but I was otherwise occupied looking into some eyepiece.

Debbie, how does the Alabama season ticket system work?

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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:46 AM
To: We Are Penn State
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Bend over Nittany Nation, seat licenses
coming



OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the NLC?
PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation to the
NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they would like
add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat license.

It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.

Rocko

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Penn State is slow to implement this. I think 'Bama did it a while ago.

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OK, but does 'Bama also have a point system and donation levels, like the NLC?
PSU ticket holders already need to qualify each year by making a donation to the
NLC. Isn't that effectively a year-to-year seat license? So, now they would like
add another "tax" on the season ticket holders, and call it a seat license.

It will be interesting to see how they structure this, and what the reaction
will be. With today's economy, I would think there will some backlash. Of
course, it could just end up re-shuffling the seating arrangement; moving lots
of corporate ticket holders to mid-field, and pushing others to the end-zone.

Rocko

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Penn State is slow to implement this. I think 'Bama did it a while ago.

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Penn State is slow to implement this. I think 'Bama did it a while ago.

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256-544-1462    (-Office-)
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Because you never get second guessed for punting, only for not making it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/sports/football/16colts.html?hp

LOL : - )

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5 Big Ten titles in 5 years --- Buckeye Buddy (tm)


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When Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll met at midfield after Stanford completed its
55-21 defenestration of USC here Saturday, their conversation was brief,
pointed, and seemingly unsatisfying.

"What's your deal? What's your deal?" Carroll said, according to two sources
near enough to hear.

"What's your deal?" Harbaugh retorted, and that was that.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/14/SPM01AKL8P.DTL

BCS Rank (Top 14 are eligible for BCS bowls)

#8 LSU (+3) at Mississippi
#10 Ohio State (-12.5) at Michigan
#11 Oregon (-5) at Arizona
Colorado (+14.5) at #12 Oklahoma State
Minnesota (+9.5) at #13 Iowa
#14 Penn State (-3.5) at Michigan State
N.C. State (+19.5) at #15 Virginia Tech
#16 Wisconsin (-6) at Northwestern
#25 Cal (+7) at #17 Stanford
Purdue (-3.5) at Indiana

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/Football/NCAA/127/Lines.aspx

Iowa sold more than 20,000 tickets to the Iowa-Arizona State regular season game
in 2004. They took over the Valley of the Sun and since then, Fiesta Bowl
organizers have been hopeful to have a shot at the Hawkeyes.  This year is their
shot.

The number of native Iowans that now call the Pheonix area home is significant,
and combine that with 25,000 Hawkeye fans traveling into the area for the game,
they know they are looking at 40,000 to 50,000 Hawkeye fans at this football
game.

I am not just pulling these factors out of the clear blue sky; I have spoken
with people that are in touch with the BCS bowl process on a near daily basis
this time of year, and one of the was told by the Fiesta folks back in mid
October that they were hopeful to get a shot at Iowa this year.

Had USC won out, the Fiesta might have tried to roll the dice to get Iowa on the
turn around pick, but that is not the case. They know if they pass on Iowa, they
might not get another shot because the Orange Bowl remembers the 50,000 Iowa
fans that invaded the Orange Bowl following the 2002 season. Iowa gets taken by
the Fiesta in this spot.

Some will argue with me and say that Penn State will make a stronger case than I
am giving them credit for. Nittany Lions fans will, I know that.

But after last year’s Fiesta Bowl between Ohio State and Texas, two huge names
with recent BCS cache, the Fiesta organizers don’t want to gamble with some
sure bets on the board.

I spoke with someone that was at last year’s Fiesta bowl, and this person
helped organize bowl charters to the event. He swears there were thousands of
empty seats for that bowl game.

Perhaps there were not that many unsold seats, but not everyone made their way
into the game. There were numerous articles that talked about this as well that
you can google.

PSU would bring a good throng, no doubt about it. But the Snow Bird/Native
Iowan/Iowa bowl cache triumvirate is going to be too good to pass up.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/football/iowas-path-to-bcs-clearing-up