Trader Kevin:

>> Notre Dame is a touchdown underdog at Pitt. If the Irish win it helps our BCS
chances. <<

Mark Cronmiller:

>> Not sure exactly how. I guess you are saying the BCS bowls would pick a 10-2
Pitt team or 11-1 Cinc team that finished in 2nd place over PSU at 10-2. If so,
ROFLMAO. <<

It would indeed be laughable if that was the basis of my statement.

To qualify for a BCS bowl we need to finish in the Top 14 in the final BCS
standings. We are currently ranked 18th. Any time a team far below us (e.g., #42
Notre Dame) beats a team that's ahead of us (e.g., #12 Pitt), it improves our
BCS chances.

Speaking of Pitt, check this out--Pitt can lose its next two games (Notre Dame
and at West Virginia) and STILL be the Big East BCS representative if...

A) West Virginia loses at Cincy
B) Cincy loses at Pitt

Not an entirely implausible scenario.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Kevin: Similar situation this Saturday. Notre Dame is a touchdown underdog
at Pitt. If the Irish win it helps our BCS chances
------------
Not sure exactly how.  I guess you are saying the BCS bowls would pick a
10-2 Pitt team or 11-1 Cinc team that finished in 2nd place over PSU at
10-2.
If so, ROFLMAO

Mark

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Great story, Tom.

Clips did a CliffsNotes version of this article a few weeks ago...

http://www.PennStateClips.com/2009/10/update-60-minutes-video-blow-to-brain.html

I still wonder if LJ's issues are being exacerbated by some kind of neurological
damage caused by too many hits. He's in the top 100 in NFL Career Carries.
That's a lot of blows to the head.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

It's long; read it when you have time, but this is the definitive piece on this
subject knowing what is known. Gladwell is so great at making really complicated
stuff seem easy to understand.


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/19/091019fa_fact_gladwell

Tom Boyer:

>> Well the market is wrong a lot. <<

The research and historic data shows the opposite. Each combination of Point
Spread and Total implies a winning percentage for each team. (You see this
reflected in the Money Line.) Historically, the bigger the implied win
percentage, the higher the win rate. Moreover, the implied winning percentages
are very close to the actual win percentages over large numbers of games.

Finally, your sample size (one team's games over a two-year span) is far too
small to determine if the market was "wrong."

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Well the market is wrong a lot. The last two years is a pretty good
demonstration of that. With all the information the market had about Ohio State
and Penn State, it turns out the market had no clue about how those teams would
match up.

Of course the Indiana defense is poor, but they do give scholarships. Their
offense has some talent and decent coaching. If PSU is flat -- and after
Saturday, that is a definite possibility -- the D could give up some points and
get behind. Combine that with some carelessness and turnovers on D, and PSU
could get way behind, just like Iowa did.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen, or even likely to happen, but it is plausible
-- because Indiana is not bad this year.

Anybody who thinks Penn State is too talented to lose only needs to rewatch
Saturday's game.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:
>
> The market disagrees with you. We opened as a 22-point favorite and it's now
out to 26.
>
> Indiana has exactly the kind of defense that fooled us into thinking Daryll
might be invited to New York City. In conference games the Hoosiers are
next-to-last in Scoring Defense (30.8 vs. Michigan's 33.3), next-to-last in
Total Defense (439.2 vs. Michigan's 440.2), and dead last in Opponent's First
Downs (24.7).
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>

All the big bucks are in human services!

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, "Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS]"
<Paul.D.Kroll@...> wrote:
>
> I wish I was rich enough to just take off and ride around the country side...
:- (
>
> Dave Kroll  Penn State Proud
> DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
>
> 256-544-1462    (-Office-)
> 210-827-1382    (-Cell-)
> 256-325-6952    (-Home-)
> From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cedarbrook205
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:02 PM
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Observations: tOSU
>
>
>
> Got back from State College late on Sunday and had some time to catch up on
reading this morning. Here's all I got:
>
> 1. Why do I keep falling for Rt. 322? At least I finally got a chance to see
Middleburg!
>
> 2. Just a stinkin' gorgeous Central Pennsylvania day. We rode (bicycles) out
to Stormstown and back in the morning. Freakin' breathtaking.
>
> 3. Order of destruction: (a) the total collapse of the OL started on offensive
play #1 and continued unabated. This led to (b) total loss of the field position
battle through (c) the total collapse of our special team units. (d) Defense
produced no turnovers.
>
> I know Kevin's ready to fire Dick Anderson or Bill Kenney or whoever. Maybe
that's the answer, I don't know. Something's gotta get better.
>
> 4. I've read some criticism of Daryl Clark (primarily elsewhere) and I read
Kevin's submission of the Black Shoes Diary synopsis. I'm not going to sit here
and suggest he played well, but its really hard to lay a lot of the blame at his
feet. I will say this: my ongoing observation of DC leads me to believe that he
gets WAY too jacked up for "big games." This was evident early and tends to lead
to him throwing high and hard. He has also continued his very unfortunate habit
of throwing off his back foot across the middle under pressure.I think he
evidences leadership and the suggestion that he doesn't seems unfair.
>
> 5. Evan Royster. Hmm... I saw him get hurt in warm-ups and was very pleasantly
surprised to see him return. I will preface my further remarks with the caveat
that I realize the OL in front of him is (and has been) very, very suspect. That
being said, he continues to disappoint. Obviously I don't know if he's been
playing hurt, or to what degree the rumors of illness are true. I was quite
disappointed when #22 returned after the Stephon Green carries, or for that
matter, the Beachum carries. Just a few years ago I'd been advised that he was
clearly a superior talent to some kid from Gooseneck, and his not starting in
front of him was a sign of the apocalypse. Something about the senioritis?
Because Evan Royster is a very nice player and probably a hell of a kid, but
he's not our best tailback right now.
>
> 6. Andrew Quarless was horrid as both a receiver and blocker Saturday.
>
> 7. I take it that Drew Astorino is the new Josh Hull? I'll grant you that he's
a bit undersized. Sukay seems to have some trouble in coverage. I thought
D'Anton Lynn was playing a nice game until he blew the coverage on the bomb. I
hope that Hodges kid is ready because we need some safety help in the secondary
at the very least.
>
> 8. Among the other phases that "didn't show up" Saturday was the crowd. One of
the quietest crowds in recent memory. Quieter than Iowa. I wish we could distill
back out the 20k sunshine fans and get back to the 80k that care.
>
> 9. tOSU. Like Kevin said, you gotta give 'em props. Their OL has made
progress, ours regressed. They used Pryor much better, I thought. Using him in
the read option made Herron more of a factor. Their defense was lights out, they
outcoached us, etc. I haven't seen this discussed but the difference in the two
teams energy levels was noticable. Especially after half-time.
>
> 10. I'm betting that despite the disappointment we come out ready next week.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

That's funny, Steve. I used to walk my dog on our course on Monday evenings,
when it was closed for golf. I found so many balls, I finally stopped. I still
have bags of them in my garage also. I sometimes get them as gifts, but I cannot
remember the last time I had to buy them. :-)

Rocko

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve & Becky" <psu196569@...>
To: "We Are Penn State" <We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:25:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Re: Non Football News...






This one of the reasons that although I've played golf for over 50 years I
haven't bought a "new" golf ball since the days when one miss hit with an iron
cut the cover off the ball. That's over 35 years of no new balls (there's a joke
there somewhere but this is a family group!). My game has existed in that time
on the miss fortunes of others, meaning that every stoke I've taken the last 35
years has been with a previous owned ball. Now when I walk my local 9 hole
course I consider it a bad round if I don't find 10-20 balls. I have 100s in my
garage, so if anyone out there is interested in saving the environment (and the
Loch Ness Monster) please send me an email, maybe we can work out a deal old
balls for Penn State tix, ha. I have several good condition balls that were only
driven by a little, old lady after church on Sunday.

Steve in VA '69

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com , "Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS]"
<Paul.D.Kroll@...> wrote:
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>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/11/04/littering.golf.balls/index.html
>
>
> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
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>
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There wasn't an Ohio State fan in the country who doubted the expected outcome
of the matchup,
especially with the completely predictable PSU offense. Lloyd Carr even figured
out exactly what
plays PSU would run, before they actually executed them. A couple of years ago,
some of the
Penn State players leaked out info that the Opponents were calling out the exact
next play and
lining up in the perfect Defense, while our Offense was approach the LOS.

OSU beat the Illini by 30

PSU beat them by 18

OSU beat Minnisota by 31

PSU beat them by 20

Lucky for us Lloyd is helping RR out.


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Same here Steve. When Wife sold the place in Texas she gave all my bleached,
washed and polished used balls to some charity. I had them in those five gallon
used chlorine tablet plastic containers. There were twenty or so of them out in
one of my sheds. You go through a lot of those containers with a pool.

Right now my Mark VIII has another plastic box of balls filling up... and I
NEVER find twenty a round any more... in Texas 40 or 50 a round was normal
though. At the course I play here in 'Bama, they have a net to hit balls but no
driving range. So golfers just smack them off into the course before their
round. There are ALWAYS balls out there somewhere. I just ignore them anymore.

Mostly I sent this for Scott so he could look up companies making golf balls
that will decompose in a few years after they are lost without harming the
environment.


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From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve & Becky
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:25 AM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Re: Non Football News...



This one of the reasons that although I've played golf for over 50 years I
haven't bought a "new" golf ball since the days when one miss hit with an iron
cut the cover off the ball. That's over 35 years of no new balls (there's a joke
there somewhere but this is a family group!). My game has existed in that time
on the miss fortunes of others, meaning that every stoke I've taken the last 35
years has been with a previous owned ball. Now when I walk my local 9 hole
course I consider it a bad round if I don't find 10-20 balls. I have 100s in my
garage, so if anyone out there is interested in saving the environment (and the
Loch Ness Monster) please send me an email, maybe we can work out a deal old
balls for Penn State tix, ha. I have several good condition balls that were only
driven by a little, old lady after church on Sunday.

Steve in VA '69

--- In
We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com<mailto:We_Are_Penn_State%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS]" <Paul.D.Kroll@...> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/11/04/littering.golf.balls/index.html
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> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
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This one of the reasons that although I've played golf for over 50 years I
haven't bought a "new" golf ball since the days when one miss hit with an iron
cut the cover off the ball.  That's over 35 years of no new balls (there's a
joke there somewhere but this is a family group!).  My game has existed in that
time on the miss fortunes of others, meaning that every stoke I've taken the
last 35 years has been with a previous owned ball.  Now when I walk my local 9
hole course I consider it a bad round if I don't find 10-20 balls.  I have 100s
in my garage, so if anyone out there is interested in saving the environment
(and the Loch Ness Monster) please send me an email, maybe we can work out a
deal old balls for Penn State tix, ha.  I have several good condition balls that
were only driven by a little, old lady after church on Sunday.

Steve in VA '69


--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, "Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS]"
<Paul.D.Kroll@...> wrote:
>
>
>  http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/11/04/littering.golf.balls/index.html
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> Dave Kroll   Penn State Proud
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http://www.freep.com/article/20091109/SPORTS07/91109044/1054/SPORTS06/U-M/OSU-at\
-noon-MSU-PSU-at-330


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PSU will really put it all together against IU! We will see some of
the best play out of our players this Saturday. Big Victory!


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http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/05/real_estate/football_town_homes/index.htm


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>
> Tom Boyer:
>
> >> I'm serious. Looks to me like they have their most dangerous team since
> the Randle El days. They've alternated between great and terrible but if
> they manage to play great on Sat. <<
>
>
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:

> The market disagrees with you. We opened as a 22-point favorite and it's
> now out to 26.
> Can you please expand on "They've alternated between great and terrible"?
>  Specifically, when have they been "great"?
> Indiana opened 3-0 by edging a I-AA team and two lousy MAC teams. They've
> since lost five of six.
>
===

I my mind the real open question is: what will the attitude of our Penn
State team be?  If they come out like all is lost- they could easily drop
this game.  I've seen it before.


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Mark Cronmiller:

>> I had the honor of sitting next to a freshman girl. She kept refering to OSU
using a derogatory term for homosexuals. Classy. <<

Maybe she's just old school and using gay as a synonym for happy. The tOSU fans
certainly looked happy on Saturday, especially after the long touchdown pass.

I looked at that play again last night. The defensive mistakes were made very
early in the play. Ohio State had two receivers on the left and neither PSU
defender was able to touch them off the line of scrimmage, much less disrupt
their route.

That left Sukay with two receivers coming straight down the field at him 8-10
yards apart. If one of them had been knocked off their pattern early Sukay could
have focused on the other to make a play. As it was he got caught in no-man's
land.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Tom Boyer:

>> I'm serious. Looks to me like they have their most dangerous team since the
Randle El days. They've alternated between great and terrible but if they manage
to play great on Sat. <<

The market disagrees with you. We opened as a 22-point favorite and it's now out
to 26.

Can you please expand on "They've alternated between great and terrible"? 
Specifically, when have they been "great"?

Indiana opened 3-0 by edging a I-AA team and two lousy MAC teams. They've since
lost five of six.

Indiana has exactly the kind of defense that fooled us into thinking Daryll
might be invited to New York City. In conference games the Hoosiers are
next-to-last in Scoring Defense (30.8 vs. Michigan's 33.3), next-to-last in
Total Defense (439.2 vs. Michigan's 440.2), and dead last in Opponent's First
Downs (24.7).

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

About ten of us will head off to Leanne for an all afternoon lunch... Check out
this hidden place that I hadn't found yet.

http://www.leeanns.biz/


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Dave Kroll:

>> We can win the Big Ten championship if OSU beats Iowa and we win out. <<

We could get there, but it will also take a Michigan win over tOSU. Unlikely,
but who knows--rivalry game at the Big House, Michigan probably trying to get
bowl eligible...it's college football, anything can happen.

It's a win-win for us. We get a shot at the Big Ten Championship if Michigan
wins, but it's always a happy day when they lose and it would be fun to see them
finish dead last in the conference for the first time since 1962.

Similar situation this Saturday. Notre Dame is a touchdown underdog at Pitt. If
the Irish win it helps our BCS chances, but a Domer loss is always a reason for
celebration.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Posted by: "SteveB" StevePSU@...   nittany1225
Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:24 pm (PST)


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:01 PM, cedarbrook205 <bboger@...> wrote:

>
> 8. Among the other phases that "didn't show up" Saturday was the crowd.
> One of the quietest crowds in recent memory. Quieter than Iowa. I wish
we
> could distill back out the 20k sunshine fans and get back to the 80k
that
> care.
>

Bravo! Thought the crowd was subpar. Interesting point you make about the
additional fans in the seats...In the Club Section, its beginning to feel
like my Father and I are the only ones who will rise up and cheer. Even
the
coal crackers who sit behind us are being lulled to sleep. Not sure what
is
going on.

Also, tOSU was amped up and ready to play. My initial read was that
Tressel
had them rocking...but upon further review, I think they were playing for
Pryor

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I'll third this comment about the crowd.  I thought it might have just
been that I was in a different seat, but the crowd was pretty poor.
OSU had something to do with that I think.  But even at the start of the
game, it was a lot lot quieter then Iowa.
I had the honor of sitting next to a freshman girl.  Some of her insight:
1. Kept refering to OSU using a derogatory term for homosexuals.  Classy.
2. Wondered why PSU did not kick more field goals this game.  Seriously,
Wow!

Mark

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:

> Is bobby delray right in saying Daryll isn't a leader?
---------------------
I'll say bobby is absolutely wrong if he actually said that DC is not a
leader.
But bobby is absolutely correct that DC won't be going to NYC for the
heisman ceremony, and that DC craps his pants under pressure.

Mark

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One thing seemed clear to me:
Odrick is an absolute beast of a DT that has carried this defense on his
back all season.
If a team is able to take Odrick out of the game with double teams, the
rest of the DL is very very average.
PSU will really miss JO next year.

Mark

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I have the whole list going to my spam folder... I really have no idea why I
belong?

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From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ImPoster
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:33 PM
To: We Are Penn State
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Game played out as expected



Yeah, actually I would see more posts from Gates, but I have him on my Spam list
...

----- "B. Gates" <bgates@...<mailto:bgates%40psualum.com>> wrote:
>

Scott Eisensmith wasn't far off in predicting a 33-10 Buckeye triumph.
> >
>
> He did? I don't see his posts so I would not have known this. I am curious
> what his pick was for the Iowa and Michigan games- I don't have the
> spreadsheet handy and I don't look beyond my own numbers anyway. I ask this

I think Scott picked PSU to beat Iowa, since they really did beat them. It took
a fluke
play, in which Iowa was not even trying to block a punt, and then that punt just
happened
to bounce the right way, and turned into a quirky TD; otherwise, I think PSU
still did
beat Iowa.

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I wish I was rich enough to just take off and ride around the country side... :-
(

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From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cedarbrook205
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:02 PM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Observations: tOSU



Got back from State College late on Sunday and had some time to catch up on
reading this morning. Here's all I got:

1. Why do I keep falling for Rt. 322? At least I finally got a chance to see
Middleburg!

2. Just a stinkin' gorgeous Central Pennsylvania day. We rode (bicycles) out to
Stormstown and back in the morning. Freakin' breathtaking.

3. Order of destruction: (a) the total collapse of the OL started on offensive
play #1 and continued unabated. This led to (b) total loss of the field position
battle through (c) the total collapse of our special team units. (d) Defense
produced no turnovers.

I know Kevin's ready to fire Dick Anderson or Bill Kenney or whoever. Maybe
that's the answer, I don't know. Something's gotta get better.

4. I've read some criticism of Daryl Clark (primarily elsewhere) and I read
Kevin's submission of the Black Shoes Diary synopsis. I'm not going to sit here
and suggest he played well, but its really hard to lay a lot of the blame at his
feet. I will say this: my ongoing observation of DC leads me to believe that he
gets WAY too jacked up for "big games." This was evident early and tends to lead
to him throwing high and hard. He has also continued his very unfortunate habit
of throwing off his back foot across the middle under pressure.I think he
evidences leadership and the suggestion that he doesn't seems unfair.

5. Evan Royster. Hmm... I saw him get hurt in warm-ups and was very pleasantly
surprised to see him return. I will preface my further remarks with the caveat
that I realize the OL in front of him is (and has been) very, very suspect. That
being said, he continues to disappoint. Obviously I don't know if he's been
playing hurt, or to what degree the rumors of illness are true. I was quite
disappointed when #22 returned after the Stephon Green carries, or for that
matter, the Beachum carries. Just a few years ago I'd been advised that he was
clearly a superior talent to some kid from Gooseneck, and his not starting in
front of him was a sign of the apocalypse. Something about the senioritis?
Because Evan Royster is a very nice player and probably a hell of a kid, but
he's not our best tailback right now.

6. Andrew Quarless was horrid as both a receiver and blocker Saturday.

7. I take it that Drew Astorino is the new Josh Hull? I'll grant you that he's a
bit undersized. Sukay seems to have some trouble in coverage. I thought D'Anton
Lynn was playing a nice game until he blew the coverage on the bomb. I hope that
Hodges kid is ready because we need some safety help in the secondary at the
very least.

8. Among the other phases that "didn't show up" Saturday was the crowd. One of
the quietest crowds in recent memory. Quieter than Iowa. I wish we could distill
back out the 20k sunshine fans and get back to the 80k that care.

9. tOSU. Like Kevin said, you gotta give 'em props. Their OL has made progress,
ours regressed. They used Pryor much better, I thought. Using him in the read
option made Herron more of a factor. Their defense was lights out, they
outcoached us, etc. I haven't seen this discussed but the difference in the two
teams energy levels was noticable. Especially after half-time.

10. I'm betting that despite the disappointment we come out ready next week.



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Oh… right. Only Purdue. What was I thinking?

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[mailto:We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:35 AM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] Big Ten Championship



We would have 2 conference losses, while OSU would only have 1, if
they win out as well.

Jerry Lorow (class of '85)

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On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:25 AM, "Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS]"
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> If my thinking is correct, and maybe Trader or one of you have
> already mentioned it, but we can win the Big Ten championship if OSU
> beats Iowa and we win out. I suppose it would be a OSU type
> championship but we could still claim it just a they do.
>
> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
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We would have 2 conference losses, while OSU would only have 1, if
they win out as well.

Jerry Lorow (class of '85)


Sent from my iPod

On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:25 AM, "Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS]"
<Paul.D.Kroll@...
  > wrote:

> If my thinking is correct, and maybe Trader or one of you have
> already mentioned it, but we can win the Big Ten championship if OSU
> beats Iowa and we win out. I suppose it would be a OSU type
> championship but we could still claim it just a they do.
>
> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
> DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
>
> 256-544-1462 (-Office-)
> 210-827-1382 (-Cell-)
> 256-325-6952 (-Home-)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>


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If my thinking is correct, and maybe Trader or one of you have already mentioned
it, but we can win the Big Ten championship if OSU beats Iowa and we win out. I
suppose it would be a OSU type championship but we could still claim it just a
they do.

Dave Kroll  Penn State Proud
DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support

256-544-1462    (-Office-)
210-827-1382    (-Cell-)
256-325-6952    (-Home-)



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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-coaches-contracts-database.\
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He is willing to take a cut in pay ...


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I joined you in rooting hard. I swear the stadium was at it's best during the
lean years leading up to the 2005 tOSU game.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, SteveB <StevePSU@...> wrote:
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:01 PM, cedarbrook205 <bboger@...> wrote:
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> >
> >  8. Among the other phases that "didn't show up" Saturday was the crowd.
> > One of the quietest crowds in recent memory. Quieter than Iowa. I wish we
> > could distill back out the 20k sunshine fans and get back to the 80k that
> > care.
> >
>
> Bravo! Thought the crowd was subpar. Interesting point you make about the
> additional fans in the seats...In the Club Section, its beginning to feel
> like my Father and I are the only ones who will rise up and cheer. Even the
> coal crackers who sit behind us are being lulled to sleep. Not sure what is
> going on.
>
> Also, tOSU was amped up and ready to play. My initial read was that Tressel
> had them rocking...but upon further review, I think they were playing for
> Pryor
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