In a message dated 1/1/2008 1:43:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
svsbas@... writes:

I  respectfully disagree with his "right" to do what he
is doing. He had a  contract with WVU. He decided to
terminate the contract under a provision  that allowed
him to do so in exchange for payment of a specified
dollar  amount. Without the buyout clause, he has no
right to leave and go to work  for another program. He
could always quit outright, but since he would  still
be under contract, he would not have the right to go
to work for  another school. So the only way he has a
"right" to go to michigan, is if  he pays the buyout.






here is a tip for all on the list. rod is trying to get into a negotiating
position so he can lower the buyout figure. he knows exactly what he is doing.
we shall see if  WV has the courage to go all the way and try and break his
balls. yeah sure. they will take 2.5 million and everyone will go back to
work.  key word here, negotiating. this is why savvy, highly successful people 
do.

as for any fool that believes any of this will effect recruiting at
michigan, dream on. guy was interviewed today on TV and did a great job. 
certainly a
lot better then that nut job miles.

anyone that believes this will change anything in college football really
needs to get in touch with reality and throw those penn state glasses away. far
away.

BD





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In a message dated 1/1/2008 2:12:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cbot_kevin@... writes:

If  West Virginia didn't keep their promises, as has been
reported, is Rich Rod  not justified in "legal maneuvering"
to seek relief from the buyout clause?  Or is he scUM by
virtue of being at Michigan, the facts be  damned?

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin




every single person on this list would be loving rod if he were in the same
exact position and on his way to penn state.

the double standard on this list is beyone amazing.

BD



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In a message dated 1/1/2008 3:07:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
svsbas@... writes:

Justified how? Legally or ethically? Anybody can sue
anybody and  claim whatever they want or refuse to
honor a commitment and tell the other  side to "sue me
if you don't like it". But just because you can do  it,
doesn't mean it is "justified". If you are a man of
honor, you live  with your decisions and keep your
promises. Once again, he knew he had the  buyout and
that the buyout clause of the contract was not
conditioned  upon WVU doing anything but continuing to
pay his salary as head football  coach. So, my answer
to your question is NO. His legal maneuvering  isn't
"justified". If he wins becuase of some decision in
court, I can't  say that justice was served.




maybe you can get a transfer to cuba.

BD



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In a message dated 1/1/2008 3:56:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nittanykat@... writes:

When  are these head coaches going to crack down on players doing this? When
are  players going to stop?




what do you suggest? bench hart for the rest of the game? would that be
punishing hart or the entire team for an action by hart?

they tell them not to do it. they coach them not to do it. everywhere. well
maybe at penn state they wait until they do and then tell them not to do it.
but  most well coached teams are told not to do it.

BD

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In a message dated 1/1/2008 3:59:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bboger@... writes:

You  are no doubt correct. I found the discussion of the virtuosity of
WVU and  Rich Rod's respective legal teams hilarious. In the meantime,
Rodriquez is  really building himself into quite the villain role. --
Brian




to who? big ten fans and wvu people?

everybody already hates michigan so no net gain there.

recruits, the good and great don't seem to see him as a villain.

he looks smart to me.

getting a lot of publicity and at the end of the day that just makes his
name that much bigger and easy to recognize.

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ps....urban decided to turn harvin into next year's hesiman favorite now
rather then waiting until the start of next season.

looks like dwheels doesn't he?

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In a message dated 1/1/2008 4:06:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cbot_kevin@... writes:

Percy  Harvin is what we were hoping for when DWill came to
Penn State as the  country's #1 athlete. He's really fun to
watch.

Penn State Proud,  Trader Kevin




that is of course a myth.

dwheels was rated as the number one athlete before his senior season.  he
dropped down in all but one service and had a considerable drop.

for example, dwheels was second team at the athlete position on the  very
reputable USA Today high school all american team at the end of his senior 
year.

BD



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In a message dated 1/1/2008 4:24:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cbot_kevin@... writes:

Geez,  Michigan should be KILLING Florida and instead it's
tied. (I'm a little  behind on my TiVo and have 14:25 left
in the fourth  quarter.)




uh, don't you mean florida should be killing michigan but its tied?

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In a message dated 1/1/2008 4:23:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
svsbas@... writes:

I did  see it and was shocked at how bad his condition
was. I can understand his  wanting to be there, but I
would have hoped that someone close to him would  have
talked him out of it for his own good.

Your comparison to Joe  is scary, but possible unless
Sue can get to  him.




its all about money. dick has a monster contract, the licensing  agreement,
and he wants to get paid. they don't want to lose the license so  they let him
"play".

anyone notice joe is no longer dying his hair black. now he is going for  the
richard gere look.

BD



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>>looks like dwheels doesn't he?<<

except for the breaking tackles and making defenders miss part.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, ORIGINET@... wrote:
>
> ps....urban decided to turn harvin into next year's hesiman favorite
now
> rather then waiting until the start of next season.
>
> looks like dwheels doesn't he?
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Trader Kevin:

>> Geez, Michigan should be KILLING Florida and instead
it's tied. (I'm a little behind on my TiVo and have 14:25
left in the fourth quarter.) <<

bobby delray:

>> uh, don't you mean florida should be killing michigan
but its tied? <<

No, I meant what I said, especially as it relates to this
thread. If Hart is his usual sure-handed self, Michigan
wins going away.

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who wouldve ever thought Mike Hart would lose TWO fumbles in his final
game?

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, nittanykat@... wrote:
>
> Yet again... a RB stretching out his arms to score when totally
> unnecessary.... and having it fumbled away!  Mike Hart did it this
time,  which makes it
> all the more amazing.
>
> When are these head coaches going to crack down on players doing
this?  When
> are players going to stop?
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What a jackass that USC RB was? Can't anyone just run into the end zone
anymore?

Jerry Lorow (class of '85)



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--Begin forwarded message--

Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:56:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...>
Subject: Front Flips into End Zone
To: Ty Halpin <thalpin@...>
Associate Director for Playing Rules Administration
National Collegiate Athletic Association

Dear, Mr. Halpin,

I am sick to death of the unsportsmanlike, disrespectful,
and dangerous trend of ball carriers doing a front flip
into the end zone. The NCAA Football Rules Committee can
end this practice overnight by making the infraction an
automatic disqualification. Please pass my concerns and
suggestion to the Committee. Thank you for your
consideration of this matter.

Sincerely,
Trader Kevin

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although it was nice to see Pete Carrol seek him out when he came back
to the sideline and rip him for doing it, rather than wait until hes
interviewed going into halftime and complain that the officiating
"irritates the crap" out of him.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, thelorow@... wrote:
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> What a jackass that USC RB was? Can't anyone just run into the end
zone
> anymore?
>
> Jerry Lorow (class of '85)
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Dan Viper:

>> although it was nice to see Pete Carrol seek him out
when he came back to the sideline and rip him for doing
it... <<

Maybe I've been watching crotchety Joe for so long that my
perspective is warped. But that sure didn't look like much
of a "rip" to me, more like a mild scolding.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin





      
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Ken:

>> Did you guys see New Year's Rockin' Eve last night? <<

No, ESPN sucked me into watching the motorcycle jump after
the football game. I'd rather watch Jamie Little than Dick
Clark any day.

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In a message dated 1/1/2008 5:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbot_kevin@... writes:

I am  sick to death of the unsportsmanlike, disrespectful,
and dangerous trend of  ball carriers doing a front flip
into the end zone. The NCAA Football Rules  Committee can
end this practice overnight by making the infraction  an
automatic disqualification. Please pass my concerns and
suggestion to  the Committee. Thank you for your
consideration of this  matter.


==
What good will this do?  Players will just do backflips instead!   :-)



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http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/national/2007/12/17/Winter.Storm/

I have shovelled three times today!!


Watching these other wide receivers in the Bowl games makes it clear what we
don't have.

>> I have shovelled three times today!! <<

We got six inches last night and another one today. It's
still coming down, but not with much enthusiasm. I went
cross-country skiing at halftime of the Michigan game.
Thank you TiVo for that pause button!)

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Well, I'm still stuck in Houston because the plane from Cleveland hasn't gotten
here yet!!!

Dave

________________________________

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Sent: Tue 1/1/2008 8:06 PM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] OT: it keeps on coming



>> I have shovelled three times today!! <<

We got six inches last night and another one today. It's
still coming down, but not with much enthusiasm. I went
cross-country skiing at halftime of the Michigan game.
Thank you TiVo for that pause button!)

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:56:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Bozo the  Clown
Subject: Front Flips into End Zone
To: Ty Halpin <_thalpin@..._ (mailto:thalpin@...) >
Associate  Director for Playing Rules Administration
National Collegiate Athletic  Association

Dear, Mr. Halpin,

I am sick to death of the  unsportsmanlike, disrespectful,
and dangerous trend of ball carriers doing a  front flip
into the end zone. The NCAA Football Rules Committee can
end  this practice overnight by making the infraction an
automatic  disqualification. Please pass my concerns and
suggestion to the Committee.  Thank you for your
consideration of this  matter.

Sincerely,
Bozo

ps...iraq war doesn't bother me, penn state players forming gangs and
storming apartments doesn't bother me, but i really felt compelled to write to 
you
about this most important issue. i would have mentioned global warming or
climate change but i am sure you know that the 2000 plus scientist that have
signed off on this issue are all on the payroll of democrats. i would be mad
about that cheating thing down at FSU but education is really not an important
issue to me either. i just can't tell you how tight my sphincter gets when i
see  the flips. helpppppppppppppp.




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In a message dated 1/1/2008 6:13:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cbot_kevin@... writes:

Maybe  I've been watching crotchety Joe for so long that my
perspective is warped.  But that sure didn't look like much
of a "rip" to me, more like a mild  scolding.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin




well there is a big difference between good parenting and bad parenting.
right daddy?

BD



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In a message dated 1/1/2008 6:47:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nittanykat@... writes:

What  good will this do? Players will just do backflips instead!  :-)




yeah and who knows, we might actually have a back with the talent to do it
next year.

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In a message dated 1/1/2008 8:44:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
eisensms@... writes:

Watching these other wide receivers in the Bowl games makes it clear  what we
don't have.




lol. and how about those corners that can tackle and shut down?

i was thinking to myself. i wonder what would happen if we had the numbers
5-8 receivers of florida? national championship?

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In a message dated 1/1/2008 9:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Paul.D.Kroll@... writes:

Well,  I'm still stuck in Houston because the plane from Cleveland hasn't
gotten here  yet!!!

Dave




dude, you really gotta start using orbitz and learning how to use  priceline.

tip, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, not a
trapezoid.

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> Did you guys see New Year's Rockin' Eve last night?
>
> I do not know whether to admire Dick Clark's tenacity an
> perseverance for
> "carrying on" after his stroke or to pity him for having no one
> around him to
> tell him how painful it is to watch him. I really don't.
>
> I do know that Ryan Seacrest and everyone else kisses his ass on
> the air
> beyond any buttkissing in television history.
>
> And I fear that Joe Paterno will still be walking the side lines as
> HC at
> PSU in a few years - while sounding like Dick Clark but looking a
> lot worse.
>

Gosh, I get so confused. Is Joe Paterno the senile, bumbling old fool
portrayed on this list, or the Machiavellian genius described by Dave
Jones. Gets so hard to figure it out.

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> every single person on this list would be loving rod if he were in
> the same
> exact position and on his way to penn state.
>

Yes, thanks for speaking for me. No, I wouldn't. -- Brian

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It wasn't just me. If you were listening to the radio broadcast, Jack
Ham was being pretty blunt in his criticism of PSU's ends for pushing
upfield and losing containment on those plays. He said the defensive
plan was to keep the TAMU quarterback in the pocket -- that he was a
lot better outside the pocket than inside the pocket.

But I don't want to sound hypercritical here. I was just observing
that the ideal time to stop that drive was early, and they could have
done it if the TAMU quarterback hadn't been running free. After 5 or 6
plays it was tough to stop because the PSU DL was gassed.

When TAMU made it down to the 2 and called that timeout, that was the
best thing they could have done for PSU because it gave the DL time to
get a little oxygen and allowed Bradley to get some fresh legs into
the game for that fourth down play.


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>
> In a message dated 1/1/2008 12:27:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> cbot_kevin@... writes:
>
> Tom  Boyer:
>
> >> The problem on that drive wasn't stamina  but
> carelessness by the ends allowing the TAMU QB to get
> outside and  convert long third downs. <<
>
> I'll have to watch it again, but I  don't necessarily agree
> that it was "carelessness by the ends." What I saw  was some
> great work by an elusive quarterback, a kid who kept his
> eyes  downfield while scrambling.
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader  Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> it never stops amazing me that grown men who have watched football
all  their
> life see good football plays as failures on the part of the team
they are
> rooting for instead of what they often are: good plays and good
execution by
> good football players.
>
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Well, the latter goes without saying. If he wasn't a weasel before, he
certainly became one the day he set foot in Ann Arbor. Let me repeat
again, hiring your lawyers to try to find some technicality that would
help you avoid that buyout clause smells like a Michigan move to me. ;)

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, Trader Kevin
<cbot_kevin@...> wrote:

> If West Virginia didn't keep their promises, as has been
> reported, is Rich Rod not justified in "legal maneuvering"
> to seek relief from the buyout clause? Or is he scUM by
> virtue of being at Michigan, the facts be damned?
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>