Yes Sifu, understood.

 The idea I am placing here is the effect Wing Chun cultivation has on the mind. That is why I was describing much in this email. In Chan Buddhism we are to minimalize atachments to thoughts, desires, and emotions,.. to a point where the mind doesn't move. One is still in mind, which basically means there is nothing that will cause one to be disturbed, and or catch one's attention surpisingly, as well as not to have one have the slightest rise of sexual desire, anger, ignorance, greed.
 The methods  in Chan is to directly point to the mind and drop all the extras, which are the thoughts, desires, conditions, which cause the mind to attach, and one to believe all they experience is it, and nothing else. We call this  illusions.
One can say that , from a Wing chun point of view, bigger movements, large stances, are seen as excessive, thus we can liken them to the thoughts one has during the day, to their emotional attachments to them, and their character created from the belief in the thoughts to reflect a real...reality.
  My idea is to see the manner of Wing Chun, which points to the most direct path to ones "destination" , and utilize those manners for cultivation of the mind...more consciously. Wing Chun people have a particularly special manner of thinking, and seeing things. I am sure all of you noticed that your mind and mannerisms change after and during the practice of Wing Chun.

 In Chan , the goal, just for the sake of saying goal, is to reveal the pure mind, and achieve enlightenment. In Wing Chun, the goal is to drop big cricular movements, (excessive), big movemnet of footwork(excessive) , and point directly to the place of arrival(one' s target). Since the manners of Wing Chun reflect manners of Chan Buddhism in the light of dropping the excessive, and utilizing the minimal, I believe that if this is cultivated consciously, there will be a more purer manner of mind.
  This means utilizing Wing Chun in the manner of cultivating the mind. Drop all excessive mannerisms, :  greed, anger, ignorance... desire, emotion...what happens is there is a moral character perceived and that leads to more humility in the WIng Chun community, less ego, and less in fighting...and it sets a reflection of those who practice Wing Chun to be more respectful to others, and in that, there will be better fighters...since Wing Chun was manifested to be for fighting.
 
 I am taking a look at what had influenced Wing Chun's creation. It is too obvious that there is somehting more. And just like Chan, there are few great masters of Wing Chun. Because of Wing Chun's effectiveness, even a novice can look like a great fighter. But that still doesn't change the novice's mind, and character which will be more present to the public than his/her skill of Wing Chun.

  What do you all think??

 Peace,
 Aiwei

 

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Jing Xin Yuan

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interesting. ....very interesting. ......

Yun Xing <yunxingpai@yahoo. com> wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I wanted to bring up the ever contraversial topic of Qi Gong in Martial Arts and its many influences on much of the postures we have oversighted, and or dismissed.. I know some even hold close to them.

 Since this is a Wing Chun group, we will stick to Wing Chun, but make reference to the other various "Internal" systems.
 
 I know there are many, lengthy books written about Wing Chun and its "Internal" gongfu mannerisms. I would be the first to say that Wing Chun is an all out system of martial arts based on physics, and Qi. I would even be the first to claim that both are eachother, and those two cannot be separated.
  Some would protest that to make Wing Chun look like a mystical manner of martial arts is to destroy its realness, and use it to fool others and make money. I am sure many would agree with the disregarding of any type of "magickal" abilities claimed to be cultivated within the Wing Chun system.
  I would say, What if those abilities weren't seen as magickal to the masters in the earlier days of Wing Chun's manifestation? What can we say if we stood there all day long in Kim Yeung Ma, mindful of breath, posture, and Mind? Can anyone ..who has not done that at all, claim that there is nothing "Out of the ordinary" in Wing Chun cultivation?
 And what is "out of the ordinary" but only what is not seen as acceptable by society....!

 So I give this idea....
  Cultivation is the manner inwhich mind is purified, body follows mind, and the two are eventually not seen as one, but are undoubtedly real and not real, and not real and not not real. A place in between?  but in between where?

 We will leave the mind cultivation out for now.

 In the past, masters of various manners of cultivation reached levels of mind way past the now mind of society. Those methods were not told to everyone due to people's moral, and virtue. Does that ring a bell???  Think about it... why is was Wing Chun given to a select few?  I know you all have the answer.

 So, I am bringing up the mind, where we can see more of the internal manners of our postures in Wing Chun. I know many of you already know this, and there are Wing Chun schools that teach Qigong as part of Wing Chun. I am saying go deeper than just Qigong.
 
 I want to take this into a different realm. And I will probably get disregarded and laughed at for it. Which is fine. Presenting an idea seen as new and unusual usually results in such an outcome. With this post, maybe we can think for a moment as to why , when cultivated effectively, Wing Chun is such a system of minute movements to result in a grander outcome... not easy just to say physics... but there is something I have in mind, and there is reasoning for it.. and it comes from the influences on the creators of Wing Chun during its time of ...being worked to mastery.

 Peace,
 Aiwei
 

 

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Jing Xin Yuan

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