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Still body is the manner of the still mind. Meaning, a still body reflects(for the sake of saying reflects) the still mind. Without the mind unattached to stimulous, the body will be chaotic. Now one could have excessive movement, but be calm in mind. That is fine. It just results in reaching the outcome through a longer amount of time. Not wrong, just more to do.
Training the mind to be still...this requires the intent and vow to actually accomplish it. How to apply it in our Wing Chun?
It is really just a state of mind. All of this idea. So, the main cultivation technique would be to directly point at the mind, parrellel would be, directly keep the body in a form , in a manner, which results in revealing the most natural of mannerisms, which isn't a mannerism.
To win a fight without moving, is to have a mind of no discrimination of the situaiton at hand. Thus, there would be no fight manifest. Everything roots in the mind. Once the root of the situation is revealed, cultivation begins to assist in uprooting it, and all the conditions manifested from those roots.
So let us look at it in through a Wing Chun mind. Utilize angles to allow one to point directly at the center of the opponent. Anyone can do that..but how effectively, how much faster, and can they change according to oncoming opposition without getting stuck on their original plan?
This brings us to look at what accounts for stillness. Non attachment to what is considered outside stimulous. This means to observe all things as though they are not there.
In the case of an oncoming attack...do not let the mind say " OH SH@T!" and then you proceed to do what you would do. Or even let the slightest worry, or rush of adrenaline move the mind, and body. In the event of an oncoming attack, one can simply observe the attack, and position themselves without having to think, or let any emotion arise. This is stillness... but not quite.
This is still discriminating upon the situation, and requires an outcome which comes from the discriminating of the event. You can say...like Karma.
Winning the fight would be to have one's cultivation at such a state where they would not even attrack the situation to themself. If observing a fight between others, then ofcourse, given one's cultivation, they can go in and either talk the fight to stop, or even intervene in a manner of controlling the two, or many, into stopping(this one requires some physical force). ..obviously.
I am looking to lift certain clouds over the Wing Chun area... maybe I myself am delluded.. but I believe that Wing Chun was to be a cultivation that brings more to the cultivator than a big Ego, fast hands and lots of infighting (family politics).. along with quickly developed fighting skills.
I say it is like Zen Buddhism when it came to America. Much of the core mannerisms of Moral and Virtue cultivation were taken out. And in the end America was left with alot of Zen sects who were molesting women, and claiming mastery when actual mastery would be reauired to have a skilled Zen teacher, and one following certain ethics of Zen/Chan cultivation. In the end lots of Zen schools closed down, and it gave Zen practice a commercial and a bad name.
I have more, but I have to go now.. haha
Peace,
Aiwei
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I like the analogy. So in Buddhism the idea of a "still mind" seems to parallel the concept of a "still body" in wing chun. Likely the "still body" is more seen in taiji, "immovable as a mountain" idea, but the idea of minimizing motion moves towards the same direction IMO.
Basically if you can win the fight with the least amount of motion you work towards the "still body" or unmoving body -- or wing chun's idea of minimizing motion.
Ideal case is you win the fight without any movement. The next grade up is you win the fight will a little movement... and so on.
So I do see a nice parallel. Still mind -- still body. Mental and physical parallels. If you body is not moving, there is little momentum the oponent can take advantage of.
I have done some studying of Buddhism, and for a time sought to find deeper parallels that could help my wing chun technique -- more so as an exercise to move outside of the box if you will. Haven't really thought about it for some time now...
Aloha,
Uriel
On 11/13/06, Yun Xing <yunxingpai@yahoo. com> wrote:
Yes Sifu, understood.
The idea I am placing here is the effect Wing Chun cultivation has on the mind. That is why I was describing much in this email. In Chan Buddhism we are to minimalize atachments to thoughts, desires, and emotions,.. to a point where the mind doesn't move. One is still in mind, which basically means there is nothing that will cause one to be disturbed, and or catch one's attention surpisingly, as well as not to have one have the slightest rise of sexual desire, anger, ignorance, greed.
The methods in Chan is to directly point to the mind and drop all the extras, which are the thoughts, desires, conditions, which cause the mind to attach, and one to believe all they experience is it, and nothing else. We call this illusions.
One can say that , from a Wing chun point of view, bigger movements, large stances, are seen as excessive, thus we can liken them to the thoughts one has during the day, to their emotional attachments to them, and their character created from the belief in the thoughts to reflect a real...reality.
My idea is to see the manner of Wing Chun, which points to the most direct path to ones "destination", and utilize those manners for cultivation of the mind...more consciously. Wing Chun people have a particularly special manner of thinking, and seeing things. I am sure all of you noticed that your mind and mannerisms change after and during the practice of Wing Chun.
In Chan , the goal, just for the sake of saying goal, is to reveal the pure mind, and achieve enlightenment. In Wing Chun, the goal is to drop big cricular movements, (excessive), big movemnet of footwork(excessive) , and point directly to the place of arrival(one' s target). Since the manners of Wing Chun reflect manners of Chan Buddhism in the light of dropping the excessive, and utilizing the minimal, I believe that if this is cultivated consciously, there will be a more purer manner of mind.
This means utilizing Wing Chun in the manner of cultivating the mind. Drop all excessive mannerisms, : greed, anger, ignorance... desire, emotion...what happens is there is a moral character perceived and that leads to more humility in the WIng Chun community, less ego, and less in fighting...and it sets a reflection of those who practice Wing Chun to be more respectful to others, and in that, there will be better fighters...since Wing Chun was manifested to be for fighting.
I am taking a look at what had influenced Wing Chun's creation. It is too obvious that there is somehting more. And just like Chan, there are few great masters of Wing Chun. Because of Wing Chun's effectiveness, even a novice can look like a great fighter. But that still doesn't change the novice's mind, and character which will be more present to the public than his/her skill of Wing Chun.
What do you all think??
Peace,
Aiwei
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interesting. ....very interesting. ......
Yun Xing <yunxingpai@yahoo. com> wrote:
Hi All,
I wanted to bring up the ever contraversial topic of Qi Gong in Martial Arts and its many influences on much of the postures we have oversighted, and or dismissed.. I know some even hold close to them.
Since this is a Wing Chun group, we will stick to Wing Chun, but make reference to the other various "Internal" systems.
I know there are many, lengthy books written about Wing Chun and its "Internal" gongfu mannerisms. I would be the first to say that Wing Chun is an all out system of martial arts based on physics, and Qi. I would even be the first to claim that both are eachother, and those two cannot be separated.
Some would protest that to make Wing Chun look like a mystical manner of martial arts is to destroy its realness, and use it to fool others and make money. I am sure many would agree with the disregarding of any type of "magickal" abilities claimed to be cultivated within the Wing Chun system.
I would say, What if those abilities weren't seen as magickal to the masters in the earlier days of Wing Chun's manifestation? What can we say if we stood there all day long in Kim Yeung Ma, mindful of breath, posture, and Mind? Can anyone ..who has not done that at all, claim that there is nothing "Out of the ordinary" in Wing Chun cultivation?
And what is "out of the ordinary" but only what is not seen as acceptable by society....!
So I give this idea....
Cultivation is the manner inwhich mind is purified, body follows mind, and the two are eventually not seen as one, but are undoubtedly real and not real, and not real and not not real. A place in between? but in between where?
We will leave the mind cultivation out for now.
In the past, masters of various manners of cultivation reached levels of mind way past the now mind of society. Those methods were not told to everyone due to people's moral, and virtue. Does that ring a bell??? Think about it... why is was Wing Chun given to a select few? I know you all have the answer.
So, I am bringing up the mind, where we can see more of the internal manners of our postures in Wing Chun. I know many of you already know this, and there are Wing Chun schools that teach Qigong as part of Wing Chun. I am saying go deeper than just Qigong.
I want to take this into a different realm. And I will probably get disregarded and laughed at for it. Which is fine. Presenting an idea seen as new and unusual usually results in such an outcome. With this post, maybe we can think for a moment as to why , when cultivated effectively, Wing Chun is such a system of minute movements to result in a grander outcome... not easy just to say physics... but there is something I have in mind, and there is reasoning for it.. and it comes from the influences on the creators of Wing Chun during its time of ...being worked to mastery.
Peace,
Aiwei
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