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Videos of GM Vincent Cabales doing Cabales Serrada Escrima have been
posted to www.YouTube.com.  Once you enter YouTube.com, go to
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Four videos were filmed on August 31, 2006 at GM Vincent Cabales
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can see GM Vincent Cabales sparring.  Also, a video of the Late
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Hi Group,

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> Spite what has happened in the FMA community in the past 24 hours. I
> still want to wish all of you the Very Best Easter you have ever had.
> Don't eat to much candy for tommorrow we train harder than ever to lose
> the Easter Candy...LOL.

Huh?  This is a week old (most posts dated 7 days before this digest was
sent) and I haven't heard of anything notable in the FMA world during this
time ....

Jeff "Stickman" Finder

Spite what has happened in the FMA community in the past 24 hours. I
still want to wish all of you the Very Best Easter you have ever had.
Don't eat to much candy for tommorrow we train harder than ever to lose
the Easter Candy...LOL.

Guru Jim

Great discussion guys.

Sorry to hear you were dropped, Jeff, from someone else's group.

Mike

> Was curious what progression some other groups might use for advancing a
student through
> the basic Serrada Counters. For example, do you start with Angle #1 and
fulfill it then move
> to Angle #2 and so on or do you perhaps teach one Counter per angle to
jump start the
> student? (I have heard of at least one group that does it that way).
>
> I am sure there are other ways I may not have considered here either...

Heheh. I got kicked of that big list for saying I was taught a different
basic progression than the moderator. When I was learning Serrada, I got
outside, inside, cross and umbrella blocks for angle #1, then outside,
shoulder, cross and umbrella for angle #2. At that point Angel already
started feeding me those two angles as a basic lock-and-block. Angle #3 was
five basic techniques. Angle #4 was four, with a variation ending on one.
Angle #5 was seven techniques. Of course, later on we went back and I got
more variations on those themes, but the all basic concepts were in place
before moving on to the next angle. Angel had me using this same structure
for my students and I've used it now for 20 or so years.

Jeff "Stickman" Finder




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I would like to wish everyone a Happy Easter and Passover.


PG Mike Schwarz

> Was curious what progression some other groups might use for advancing a
student through
> the basic Serrada Counters. For example, do you start with Angle #1 and
fulfill it then move
> to Angle #2 and so on or do you perhaps teach one Counter per angle to
jump start the
> student? (I have heard of at least one group that does it that way).
>
> I am sure there are other ways I may not have considered here either...

Heheh.  I got kicked of that big list for saying I was taught a different
basic progression than the moderator.  When I was learning Serrada, I got
outside, inside, cross and umbrella blocks for angle #1, then outside,
shoulder, cross and umbrella for angle #2.  At that point Angel already
started feeding me those two angles as a basic lock-and-block.  Angle #3 was
five basic techniques.  Angle #4 was four, with a variation ending on one.
Angle #5 was seven techniques.  Of course, later on we went back and I got
more variations on those themes, but the all basic concepts were in place
before moving on to the next angle.  Angel had me using this same structure
for my students and I've used it now for 20 or so years.

Jeff "Stickman" Finder

I would like to wish everyone a Happy Easter and Passover.


PG Mike Schwarz

Regarding the teaching of the Davis/Cabales System of Serrada
Escrima ... we have approached it # x #.

In other words, providing all the information for each angle step by
step in order of progression.  In this way giving the student full
scope of what is available to them.  This would include empty hand
translations and disarms.  We do not cover reversals at that time
however.

I can not speak for anyone else, however, I was introduced to the
system "by the numbers" so to speak.  But we were given "3" counters
for each angle with empty hand translations and disarms.  After
learning # 6 this was a testing time for rank progression.  Then
obviously went thru #s 7 - 12 in the same fashion.

In the midst of this also came lock & block and sumbrada and C hand
progressionary drils.

We then came back to #1 and learned the "advanced" counters,
translations, & disarms.  Also during this progression we tackled
the built in system of reversals and picking and such.


PG Mike Schwarz
WSEF Midwest/East Coast Director

Was curious what progression some other groups might use for advancing a student
through
the basic Serrada Counters. For example, do you start with Angle #1 and fulfill
it then move
to Angle #2 and so on or do you perhaps teach one Counter per angle to jump
start the
student? (I have heard of at least one group that does it that way).

I am sure there are other ways I may not have considered here either...




The Martial Art with an "edge"...

--
Steve Klement
Inayan Masirib Guro
www.inayan.com
Inayan School of Eskrima

If memory serves Mr Servaes, you have neither been "sanctioned" by
Vincent Cabales Sr. or been asked to speak for the Cabales family in
any way.

I have indeed met new friends, compatriots and "family" at our
gathering to commemorate the Great Grandmaster Angel Cabales.  All
of whom I will say are fine individuals regardless of where their
alliances may be and regardless under whose auspises they speak.

Yourself, however, I cannot include in the afforementioned group.
The members here in may ask "Why?"; simply put you were not a
presence at the commemoration and banquet.  When Vincent Cabales Sr.
and Vincent Cabales Jr., Wade Williams, Carlito Bonjoc, Ben Pagtanac
and others arrived, you were not there.  You were not there to show
support for the youngest of Vincent Cabales' siblings and their
mother ... Gelmar, MaryGel and MaryTess respectively.

For someone who wishes to honor tradition, the art and family of the
art of Cabales Serrada Escrima, you were no where to be found ... at
least not near the celebration itself.  Interesting, isn't it, that
someone, who has claimed to be a supporter of Vincent Cabales Sr.
and his representation of Cabales Serrada Escrima, was not there to
share this event.

Again, you've chosen to take issue with the "inheritance" of both
the art of Cabales Serrada Escrima as well as the title of
Grandmaster.  Why would you not find that equal inheritance should
then belong to let's say perhaps a GM Gelmar Cabales, GM MaryGel
Cabales as well and would you muster your support behind these
titles as well???

These are the things that make me go HMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

All this asside, my words are not as eloquent as GM Anthony Davis of
the WSEF/MAI...





Re: Mr. Dennis Servaes;

Mr. Servaes it has become quite clear and apparent to me that you
are representing yourself as a lone ranger. I've spoken directly
with Vincent Cabales Jr. concerning where you stand in terms of his
and his father's organization, and what it appears to boil down to
is; you dont have any current standing, status, endorsement or
official acknowledged rank in the art of Serrada Escrima as taught
by these two gentlemen. Essentially, you are operating without a
license and therefore you are representing the art of Serrada
Escrima without official permission to do so. Additionally, in the
past you have been one of the primary people responsible for much of
the negative controversy that surrounds the art of Serrada Escrima.
Your pre-meditative acts of agitation within the arena of Serrada
Escrima will be tolerated no more by myself; nor by others who truly
do represent the pristine legacy of the late Great Grandmaster Angel
Cabales. I suggest that you re-read my " Declaration Of Independence
letter " recently published in the (FMAdigest Vol.3 No. 2, 2006
issue). I find it ironic that the only person who appears to be semi
negative and complaintive about the recent 2006 Angel Cabales
Commemoration Seminar/Banquet, is you. Also, I dont recall your
presence at this illustrious event. You constantly talk about
martial truth; but yet you have been the main instigator that has
spread outright "untruths" about several of GGM Angel Cabales'
private graduate instructors. Have you forgotten so quickly how
close you recently came to a highly possible major physical
altercation with the son of one of the people whom you have been co-
bashing in your former " Serrada Truth " campaigns?
It is obvious that everyone that attended our event put aside all of
their personal disgruntlements in order to recognize the founder of
the Cabales Serrada System of Escrima; Great Grandmaster Angel
Cabales. I suggest that you do the same thing. It's very admirable
that you have so much loyalty towards Mr. Vincent Cabales Sr. & Jr.,
however, by choice many of us within the Serrada Escrima community
do not share in your personal loyalty that you have toward these two
persons. I did not study Serrada Escrima under Mr. Vincent Cabales
Sr., and you did not study Serrada Escrima under GGM Angel Cabales
as I did, so obviously our loyalties are diametrically opposed. In
conclusion, I would suggest that if you plan to continue to
represent Mr. Vincent Cabales Sr.'s best interest, that you first
acquire some type of official rank under him, and also, his
permission to represent him as well. Finally, just as a suggestion,
you might want to allow Mr. Vincent Cabales Sr. to speak in his own
behalf for now on. As far as my stand concernig the " Grandmaster
title " again re-read my " Declaration Of Independence letter ". Mr.
Servaes until you have  acquired some type of legitimate
documentation of instructor rank in the art of Serrada Escrima, I
personally will not recognize you as an authentic agent or
representative of GGM Angel Cabales' art form. Mr. Servaes, you have
already caused enough trouble and damage within the world of Serrada
Escrima, dont you think that it is time that you desist from this
type of mischievous behavior?

GM Anthony Davis/President
World Serrada Escrima Federation/MAI

Sacramento, Ca.- On March 4, 2006, at " Langley's Karate School " a
very
special Escrima event took place that will go down in martial arts
history. On this majestic day the late Great Grandmaster Angel
Cabales
was awarded the " WSEF LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD ". The illustrious
award was spiritually given to him by the sponsor of the event
Grandmaster Anthony Davis, a former private advanced graduate
instructor
of GGM Angel Cabales. Additionally, GM Davis is the president and the
co-founder along with Grand Prof. Leo T. Fong of the " World Serrada
Escrima Federation ". On hand to accept the award in behalf of their
father was Gelmar Cabales, his older sister Marigel Cabales, along
with
their mother Maritess Cabales. Assisting his younger brother and
sister
as an official witness of the acceptance of the award was honorary
special gueststar Vincent Cabales Sr., and his son Vincent Cabales
Jr.
The award acknowledges GGM Angel Cabales as the primary person
responsible for the emergence of Filipino martial arts in America,
and
also, that he has officially been recognized as the " Father of
Escrima
in America " as well. GGM Angel Cabales opened the first official
Filipino martial arts academy in 1966 in Stockton, California. Some
of
the Great Grandmaster's first students at the Stockton academy
include,
Max Sarmiento, Leo Giron, Dentoy Revillar, Mike Inay, Jimmy Tacosa,
Al
Concepcion, Rene Latosa, JC Cabiero, Kathy Lee, Abel Miraflor, Art
Miraflor, Leo T. Fong, Dan Inosanto, Richard Bustillo, Ted
Lucaylucay,
and numerous of others. GGM Angel Cabales was also one of the first
escrimadors to be featured in an actioned packed martial arts film in
1972, titled; " TIGERS REVENGE ". Leo T. Fong, a former friend and
student of both Bruce Lee and Angel Cabales, was the leading actor
and
producer of this historic movie. Reciprocally receiving the " WSEF
LIFETIME APPRECIATION AWARD " was one of GGM Angel Cabales' top
graduate
master instructors, Darren Tibon. Master Darren Tibon is the founder
and
president of an escrima organization known as " Angel's Disciples ".
The
(WSEF) recognized Master Tibon as one of the most loyal and dedicated
students of GGM Angel Cabales. After GGM Angel Cabales' death on
March
3, 1991, Master Tibon along with his family members continued on in
supporting certain family members of the Great Grandmaster. With
sticks
and daggers blazing at the speed of light, Master Tibon and his
"Angel's
Disciples" demonstration team presented a dazzling display of their
skills to all of those that were in attendance at the commemoration
event. In order to further elaborate upon some of the more finer
points
of his style of Serrada Escrima, Master Tibon went on to conduct a
special hands on seminar. To add an even more official ingredient to
this unique gathering, other top notch Angel Cabales graduate
instructors; along with some of their third generational Serrada
Escrima
students came out in order to show their support, such as, Master
Jerry
Preciado, Master Wade Williams, Master Carlito Bonjoc, Master Ron
Saturno, Master Guru Michael Schwarz, Master Guru Anthony Davis Jr.,
school host Master Bob Langley, Master Jeff Finder, Apprentice Master
Fernando Cabe, and Guru Elrik Jundis. Iron Dragon/Kosho Ryu
Grandmaster
Ray Arquilla along with his wife, made a grand suprise appearance
when
both of them showed up at the commemoration function in order to pay
their respects. Inspite of all of the past and current negative
controversy that has shadowed the Serrada Escrima community, all
differences were set aside in order to share in the true spirit of
Serrada Escrima in the memory of Great Grandmaster Angel Cabales. It
was
indeed a miraculous accomplishment on the part of Grandmaster Anthony
Davis to organize, promote, and to host an event that brought
together
so many great and illustrious master's into one harmonious accord.
Stated GM Anthony Davis " It takes a unified team in order to reach
higher grounds and had it not been for all of those that came out to
support the " Legacy " of GGM Angel Cabales, this commemoration event
could not have been as sucessful as it was ". At the conclusion of
this
immaculate affair, GM Davis and his wife Mila invited all of the
commemoration participants to their home where a spectacular banquet
had
been fully prepared for all of them. It was clearly apparent to
everyone
in attendance at this special event, that they all had become a vital
part of the continuing " Golden Legacy " of the legedary Great
Grandmaster Angel O. Cabales.  For further information about upcoming
Serrada Escrima events, products, training programs, classes and
workshops, contact GM Anthony Davis at: anthonyserrada2@...   

Sacramento, Ca.- On March 4, 2006, at " Langley's Karate School " a
very
special Escrima event took place that will go down in martial arts
history. On this majestic day the late Great Grandmaster Angel
Cabales
was awarded the " WSEF LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD ". The illustrious
award was spiritually given to him by the sponsor of the event
Grandmaster Anthony Davis, a former private advanced graduate
instructor
of GGM Angel Cabales. Additionally, GM Davis is the president and the
co-founder along with Grand Prof. Leo T. Fong of the " World Serrada
Escrima Federation ". On hand to accept the award in behalf of their
father was Gelmar Cabales, his older sister Marigel Cabales, along
with
their mother Maritess Cabales. Assisting his younger brother and
sister
as an official witness of the acceptance of the award was honorary
special gueststar Vincent Cabales Sr., and his son Vincent Cabales
Jr.
The award acknowledges GGM Angel Cabales as the primary person
responsible for the emergence of Filipino martial arts in America,
and
also, that he has officially been recognized as the " Father of
Escrima
in America " as well. GGM Angel Cabales opened the first official
Filipino martial arts academy in 1966 in Stockton, California. Some
of
the Great Grandmaster's first students at the Stockton academy
include,
Max Sarmiento, Leo Giron, Dentoy Revillar, Mike Inay, Jimmy Tacosa,
Al
Concepcion, Rene Latosa, JC Cabiero, Kathy Lee, Abel Miraflor, Art
Miraflor, Leo T. Fong, Dan Inosanto, Richard Bustillo, Ted
Lucaylucay,
and numerous of others. GGM Angel Cabales was also one of the first
escrimadors to be featured in an actioned packed martial arts film in
1972, titled; " TIGERS REVENGE ". Leo T. Fong, a former friend and
student of both Bruce Lee and Angel Cabales, was the leading actor
and
producer of this historic movie. Reciprocally receiving the " WSEF
LIFETIME APPRECIATION AWARD " was one of GGM Angel Cabales' top
graduate
master instructors, Darren Tibon. Master Darren Tibon is the founder
and
president of an escrima organization known as " Angel's Disciples ".
The
(WSEF) recognized Master Tibon as one of the most loyal and dedicated
students of GGM Angel Cabales. After GGM Angel Cabales' death on
March
3, 1991, Master Tibon along with his family members continued on in
supporting certain family members of the Great Grandmaster. With
sticks
and daggers blazing at the speed of light, Master Tibon and his
"Angel's
Disciples" demonstration team presented a dazzling display of their
skills to all of those that were in attendance at the commemoration
event. In order to further elaborate upon some of the more finer
points
of his style of Serrada Escrima, Master Tibon went on to conduct a
special hands on seminar. To add an even more official ingredient to
this unique gathering, other top notch Angel Cabales graduate
instructors; along with some of their third generational Serrada
Escrima
students came out in order to show their support, such as, Master
Jerry
Preciado, Master Wade Williams, Master Carlito Bonjoc, Master Ron
Saturno, Master Guru Michael Schwarz, Master Guru Anthony Davis Jr.,
school host Master Bob Langley, Master Jeff Finder, Apprentice Master
Fernando Cabe, and Guru Elrik Jundis. Iron Dragon/Kosho Ryu
Grandmaster
Ray Arquilla along with his wife, made a grand suprise appearance
when
both of them showed up at the commemoration function in order to pay
their respects. Inspite of all of the past and current negative
controversy that has shadowed the Serrada Escrima community, all
differences were set aside in order to share in the true spirit of
Serrada Escrima in the memory of Great Grandmaster Angel Cabales. It
was
indeed a miraculous accomplishment on the part of Grandmaster Anthony
Davis to organize, promote, and to host an event that brought
together
so many great and illustrious master's into one harmonious accord.
Stated GM Anthony Davis " It takes a unified team in order to reach
higher grounds and had it not been for all of those that came out to
support the " Legacy " of GGM Angel Cabales, this commemoration event
could not have been as sucessful as it was ". At the conclusion of
this
immaculate affair, GM Davis and his wife Mila invited all of the
commemoration participants to their home where a spectacular banquet
had
been fully prepared for all of them. It was clearly apparent to
everyone
in attendance at this special event, that they all had become a vital
part of the continuing " Golden Legacy " of the legedary Great
Grandmaster Angel O. Cabales.  For further information about upcoming
Serrada Escrima events, products, training programs, classes and
workshops, contact GM Anthony Davis at: anthonyserrada2@...

Many of us martial artist have enjoyed chatting with our martial
arts friends on yahoo for quite some time some of us years in fact.
when yahoo took the user rooms down we had to find another place to
call home on yahoo chat. so we invaded the boxing room.this has
created many problems they are,porn bots trying to sale you
porn,disgrunteled boxers,people who dont respect others,people talkn
on mic who cant speak so people can understand them the list goes on
and on. there is a chat room on all yahoo groups this group also has
a chat alot of people didnt like to use it because it was java
based. that is in fact a miss conception and all of us old school
martial artist had our first meeting together on the chat tonight i
have put a robot in the room called mat responder as long as i am
alive it will be there except when we have computor problems etc..
now this email is to inform you that you can go to this room on
yahoo messenger at anytime you can pm people use voice and anything
else you do on yahoo and we are putting the word out to the martial
artist to begin meeting in this room there are two ways to acsess
the room and you dont have to be a member of this group to do so
however this affords us certian privaleges we dont have in normal
rooms  they are no bots saleing porn,no unwated pm's from forigen
people who want sex no trolls no one on voice blowing into the mic
no internet warriors talkn crap and if by chance some one wants to
show there ass they can be banned from the group chat. you can
acsess this chat by one joining the group and going through
java...which sucks! or ya can do somthing very simple and here is
the directions to do so follow with me closely

this is very simple

step 1:  sighn into yahoo messenger,or yahelite or yaheh whichever
you use is realy unimportant sighn in just like you would as normal

step 2: go to any yahoo room and join that chat room(yes that is
correct go to any room i.e say you join "in the ring" or anyroom
yahoo offers on the list doesnt matter

step 3: type the following in the box where you normaly type things
in to the room thats right type it into the room as if you wanted
the whole room to read it do not space before typing,type
this:   /join *g.combatarts:1    now i will describe that in detail
you will type that as this writen out direction  foward slash join
then space once then type *g.combatarts:1  you will then press enter
or send after typeing   /join *g.combatarts:1  into the room and you
will automaticly find yourself in the combatarts group room except
you wont be useing java but ya normal chat client whether it be
messenger,elite etc.. doesnt matter that code will bring you in.



hope to see you all in the room so we can talk and discuss our
beloved arts in peace

salamat po

ingat

P.G.Marsh

--- In WSEFflow@yahoogroups.com, "excalibur921" <excalibur921@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> It's my pleasure to welcome Masirib Klement to the group.
>
> I am greatly appreciative for his input and interest in our forum.
>
> As with our other members with great history within the Serrada
> Escrima arena who have become members and posted, I know that
> Masirib Klement will only add to our the group.
>
> I will allow Masirib Klement to enlighten us on his background and
> standing within his organization.
>
> Respects,
>
> Punong Guro Mike
>


Hello everyone. I was not aware of this group until a few days ago when my
brothers in the
art (Emanuel Hart and Cory Hanosh) mentioned it to me.

I have a small school with two locations (Knoxville, TN and Aliquippa, PA). I am
also one
small part of the Inayan Brotherhood of Eskrima which founded Inayan Systems
International after Suro Mike Inay passed away.

My goals are to spread Inayan Eskrima with integrity. And for those that may not
know,
Serrada in one of the three core styles that makes up Inayan Eskrima.

Once again, glad I found the group and thanks for letting me in...


The Martial Art with an "edge"...

--
Steve Klement
Inayan Masirib Guro
www.inayan.com
Inayan School of Eskrima

Greetings everyone,

It's my pleasure to welcome Masirib Klement to the group.

I am greatly appreciative for his input and interest in our forum.

As with our other members with great history within the Serrada
Escrima arena who have become members and posted, I know that
Masirib Klement will only add to our the group.

I will allow Masirib Klement to enlighten us on his background and
standing within his organization.

Respects,

Punong Guro Mike

Guro Bob,

Individually, I have been in contact with many people, some posers,
others have been legitimate in what they say and do.

Personally, I feel it would be a benefit to have a "mutual alliance"
in which every serrada escrima group could benefit along with their
individual members.

I nor GM Anthony have proposed attempting the dissolution of other
federations or associations in order to have 1 supreme organization.
We've all come too far for this to happen.  However, again here to a
alliance amoung the organizations could be a HUGE benefit for the
propogation of Serrada Escrima.

Certainly, within each organization there is protocol to be observed.

If the person who had made contact with me was indeed a "rogue" person
within your organization, this is unfortunate.  I personally, nor any
rerepresentative of the WSEF had solicited in anyway this contact.
Until we are drawn into conversation again by this indidvidual, we
would not have reason to consider the discussion again.

However, with that in mind, if I should be contacted again, I will
certainly keep your thoughts in mind and perhaps even refer back to
you regarding the contact.

I do know that GM Anthony has expressed interest in communication with
GM Sultan Uddin.  If you are in a position to relay this, I'm sure GM
Anthony would be appreciative.

Respects,

Punong Guro Mike

Guro Jeff,

As with other groups, there is a protocol in our
organization.  I made that clarification mostly in
response to PG Mike's comment about his discussion
with someone associated with our organization.
Apparently, it seems that the person PG Mike has been
in contact with is either a rogue or very loosely
associated with my teacher's organization, if that.
Just protecting the integrity of my teacher, his
organization and what we represent.

I do appreciate the recognition of our group's
accomplishments, creativity and talent.

Salamat,

Guro Bob Manalo, Jr.

--- Stickman <stickman@...> wrote:

>  > Just offering my two centavos worth.  It's true
> that
> > we won't move or act without our teacher's
> permission,
> > out of respect.  Of all the years I've been with
> my
> > teacher (over ten), I have a good idea why we
> maintain
> > our autonomy from other groups.  I'm sure you,
> Guro
> > Jeff, also understand why.
>
> Bob -
>     I know that IESA will not do anything without
> the approval of its
> founder and I didn't mean to convey any different
> impression.  I have had
> conversations with him in the past concerning his
> journey from his roots in
> Stockton, so I know he values his independence.
> Whether or not he would
> personally care to be involved in this is unknown to
> me, but at least I want
> his organization to be recognized in this process.
>     What I am doing is raising discussion points
> because there are many who
> would like to see peace in the Serrada community.  I
> do not envision any
> group giving up their own independence, but rather
> an association where
> member groups could offer their creativity.  IESA is
> a talented organization
> whose input would be valuable, IMHO.  If the purpose
> of any association
> would be to honor Angel and help propogate his
> teachings, I don't see that
> such a charter would invalidate or restrict a group
> such as yours.  Of
> course this is all blue sky speculation.
> Nevertheless, if one never comes
> to the table, then there is no chance to shape an
> outcome, and of course if
> it never works out, people (and organizations) can
> always leave again.
>
> Jeff "Stickman" Finder
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> Just offering my two centavos worth.  It's true that
> we won't move or act without our teacher's permission,
> out of respect.  Of all the years I've been with my
> teacher (over ten), I have a good idea why we maintain
> our autonomy from other groups.  I'm sure you, Guro
> Jeff, also understand why.

Bob -
     I know that IESA will not do anything without the approval of its
founder and I didn't mean to convey any different impression.  I have had
conversations with him in the past concerning his journey from his roots in
Stockton, so I know he values his independence.  Whether or not he would
personally care to be involved in this is unknown to me, but at least I want
his organization to be recognized in this process.
     What I am doing is raising discussion points because there are many who
would like to see peace in the Serrada community.  I do not envision any
group giving up their own independence, but rather an association where
member groups could offer their creativity.  IESA is a talented organization
whose input would be valuable, IMHO.  If the purpose of any association
would be to honor Angel and help propogate his teachings, I don't see that
such a charter would invalidate or restrict a group such as yours.  Of
course this is all blue sky speculation.  Nevertheless, if one never comes
to the table, then there is no chance to shape an outcome, and of course if
it never works out, people (and organizations) can always leave again.

Jeff "Stickman" Finder