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1. RE: COUNTERS
From: "excalibur921"
2. re: Easter
From: "excalibur921"
3. Re: Serrada progressions
From: "Stickman"
4. Re: re: Easter
From: Guro Dennis Servaes
5. Re: Re: Serrada progressions
From: Guro Dennis Servaes
6. Re: counter progressions
From: "excalibur921"
7. Easter Happy
From: "Jim"
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:04:42 -0000
From: "excalibur921"
Subject: RE: COUNTERS
Regarding the teaching of the Davis/Cabales System of Serrada
Escrima ... we have approached it # x #.
In other words, providing all the information for each angle step by
step in order of progression. In this way giving the student full
scope of what is available to them. This would include empty hand
translations and disarms. We do not cover reversals at that time
however.
I can not speak for anyone else, however, I was introduced to the
system "by the numbers" so to speak. But we were given "3" counters
for each angle with empty hand translations and disarms. After
learning # 6 this was a testing time for rank progression. Then
obviously went thru #s 7 - 12 in the same fashion.
In the midst of this also came lock & block and sumbrada and C hand
progressionary drils.
We then came back to #1 and learned the "advanced" counters,
translations, & disarms. Also during this progression we tackled
the built in system of reversals and picking and such.
PG Mike Schwarz
WSEF Midwest/East Coast Director
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:06:09 -0000
From: "excalibur921"
Subject: re: Easter
I would like to wish everyone a Happy Easter and Passover.
PG Mike Schwarz
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:55:55 -0700
From: "Stickman"
Subject: Re: Serrada progressions
> Was curious what progression some other groups might use for advancing a
student through
> the basic Serrada Counters. For example, do you start with Angle #1 and
fulfill it then move
> to Angle #2 and so on or do you perhaps teach one Counter per angle to
jump start the
> student? (I have heard of at least one group that does it that way).
>
> I am sure there are other ways I may not have considered here either...
Heheh. I got kicked of that big list for saying I was taught a different
basic progression than the moderator. When I was learning Serrada, I got
outside, inside, cross and umbrella blocks for angle #1, then outside,
shoulder, cross and umbrella for angle #2. At that point Angel already
started feeding me those two angles as a basic lock-and-block. Angle #3 was
five basic techniques. Angle #4 was four, with a variation ending on one.
Angle #5 was seven techniques. Of course, later on we went back and I got
more variations on those themes, but the all basic concepts were in place
before moving on to the next angle. Angel had me using this same structure
for my students and I've used it now for 20 or so years.
Jeff "Stickman" Finder
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:17:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Guro Dennis Servaes
Subject: Re: re: Easter
I wish everyone a happy sabbath.
REMEMBER, God rested on the sabbth.
excalibur921
I would like to wish everyone a Happy Easter and Passover.
PG Mike Schwarz
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:51:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Guro Dennis Servaes
Subject: Re: Re: Serrada progressions
When it is just the instructor and two or three students, coaching them through the different intricacies of the basics should be a lot easier, than for a large group, but with a group it is best to go slower. Unfortunately most people get burned out and give up because they lose the vision, if made to stay on basics too long. That is why the intermediate level is shown so early on. It doesn't make the student better to learn the intermediate level sooner, but it retains student enrollment. If students quit they won't learn anything. Learning Serrada is like learning Spanish. First you learn the sounds then the words then phrases and sentences etc. same as with Serrada first you learn a strike then the angles and then correct blocks against the angles. Then the drills and then more trickier stuff. Learning the basics perfectly is what will save your a$$.
Quantity is more important than quality when a school grows too big unless the students you train to Guro level help out. If you don't understand incentives your school will be a flop, but don't teach drills until the student is good with the basics first. Serrada isn't Senawali.
Train hard and have fun!
Dennis
Stickman
> Was curious what progression some other groups might use for advancing a
student through
> the basic Serrada Counters. For example, do you start with Angle #1 and
fulfill it then move
> to Angle #2 and so on or do you perhaps teach one Counter per angle to
jump start the
> student? (I have heard of at least one group that does it that way).
>
> I am sure there are other ways I may not have considered here either...
Heheh. I got kicked of that big list for saying I was taught a different
basic progression than the moderator. When I was learning Serrada, I got
outside, inside, cross and umbrella blocks for angle #1, then outside,
shoulder, cross and umbrella for angle #2. At that point Angel already
started feeding me those two angles as a basic lock-and-block. Angle #3 was
five basic techniques. Angle #4 was four, with a variation ending on one.
Angle #5 was seven techniques. Of course, later on we went back and I got
more variations on those themes, but the all basic concepts were in place
before moving on to the next angle. Angel had me using this same structure
for my students and I've used it now for 20 or so years.
Jeff "Stickman" Finder
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:45:20 -0000
From: "excalibur921"
Subject: Re: counter progressions
Great discussion guys.
Sorry to hear you were dropped, Jeff, from someone else's group.
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:07:35 -0000
From: "Jim"
Subject: Easter Happy
Spite what has happened in the FMA community in the past 24 hours. I
still want to wish all of you the Very Best Easter you have ever had.
Don't eat to much candy for tommorrow we train harder than ever to lose
the Easter Candy...LOL.
Guru Jim
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