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Re: [WRLLUmpires] Appeal from the rubber

Some pretty heated discussion on this one.  It seems to come up every year, and has been beat up each year.  Here is the ruling from EVERY authority out there including LL, PONY, USSSA, Evans, R/R, etc.

All the arguments about 'unoccupied base', the plate being a BASE, clear intent to APPEAL, etc. are all good points, and if the truth were know...  I agree with the position you can make an appeal from the rubber to the plate.  However, I (we) are in the minority.  The consensus and rulings are:

If the pitcher while in contact with the pitching plate, delivers the ball to the catcher, with a Batter in the box, it shall be considered a PITCH (or an Illegal Pitch/ Balk depending on the situation).  If there is NO Batter in the box, the Pitcher MAY appeal from the rubber to the plate, although it is not a good idea or practice.  In effect, this is no different than a pitcher requesting a new ball prior to the next batter entering the box, and without requesting 'time', he throws the ball to the catcher.  Time IS NOT out in this situation until the Umpire either take the old ball from the catcher, or take a new ball from his bag (when the umpire holds the ball time shall be out... by rule).  The presents of a Batter in the box, is the test, and MUST be strictly adhered to.  Although I believe the umpire can request the Batter to vacate the box, allowing for the appeal (I see this as a 'Game Management' issue and not assistance), there is a thought line out there among umpires, that feels the Umpire is ASSISTING the defense with their appeal id he does this.

Hope this helps.

BATMAN

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From: russkyl49
To: WRLLUmpires@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WRLLUmpires] Appeal from the rubber
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:08:56 -0000

This is from one of our umps who just joined the board. It happened in our first tournament game, majors.

Runner misses home. Catcher without the ball, it never came in, says out loud he missed home. Manager calls time out to talk with the pitcher. The catcher tells the manager the runner missed the base. Manager yells to PU that hey I want to appeal that play. PU informs manager the ball must be live for any appeal. The manager returns, Pitcher toes the rubber, PU says play. Without disengaging the rubber the pitchers throws an outside pitch to the catcher.

What have you got, Ball to the batter, Illegal pitch ball to the batter, proper appeal, batter is out.

Russ


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This is from one of our umps who just joined the board. It happened in our first tournament game, majors. Runner misses home. Catcher without the ball, it...
russkyl49
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Jul 3, 2009
11:09 pm

Just to clarify-the picther clearly was not "pitching." I would define it has a "pitch out." The pitcher, in a relaxed manner (not his normal windup), threw...
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Jul 3, 2009
11:26 pm

Just to clarify-the picther clearly was not "pitching." I would define it has a "pitch out." The pitcher, in a relaxed manner (not his normal windup), threw...
Jay
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Jul 4, 2009
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At this point I am not so convinced it was a ball. To the contrary there is a strong arguement that this was a proper appeal: Source: 2009 Little League Rule...
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Jul 4, 2009
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I think I have an illegal pitch. If the same thing happened, said he was appealing etc and the pitch was right down the middle I would not want to reward the...
Russell Smith
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Jul 4, 2009
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So if the pitcher threw to an unoccupied "base" (Per defnition- in this case home plate) for the purpose of making a play (per Rule 8:05 (d) and which...
Jay
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Jul 4, 2009
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A PITCH is a ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher. How can you not call a pitcher who is properly engaged with the rubber and throwing to home not a...
drtinphx
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Jul 4, 2009
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"The pitcher, in a relaxed manner (not his normal windup), threw the ball to the catcher who was far to the outside (in the LH batters box,) when he caught the...
Jay
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Jul 4, 2009
4:53 am

... What defines a pitch is being in contact with the rubber and throwing toward the plate. You can not redefine what a pitch is. If you are going to make an...
llcad33
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Jul 4, 2009
5:42 am

... I respectfully disagree, The definition of a pitch which Jay posted verbatim from Rule 2.0 is: "A ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher." Not sure...
drtinphx
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Jul 4, 2009
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Clay gave you the accepted definition of a pitch. What you had was ball one to the batter and the defense lost its chance to appeal. Here is the definition of...
Travis Brown
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Jul 4, 2009
7:22 am

Some pretty heated discussion on this one.  It seems to come up every year, and has been beat up each year.  Here is the ruling from EVERY authority out...
Lee Batterman
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Jul 4, 2009
6:13 pm

What wasn't stated in the OP and, after reading Batman's rulings, IMO is the determining factor in weather it's a pitch or appeal is... was the batter in the...
Richard Carrillo
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