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Re: [WRLLUmpires] Re: Appeal from the rubber

I think I have an illegal pitch.  If the same thing happened, said he was appealing etc and the pitch was right down the middle I would not want to reward the team for fooling the batter.
 
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: drtinphx
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:29 PM
Subject: [WRLLUmpires] Re: Appeal from the rubber

At this point I am not so convinced it was a ball. To the contrary there is a strong arguement that this was a proper appeal:

Source: 2009 Little League Rule Book

PG 50 Rule 2.00 Definition of a Base- A base is one of four points which must be touched by a runner in order to score a run; more usually applied to the canvas bags and the rubber plate which mark the base points.

Source: 2009 Little League Rule Book

PG 82 Rule 8:05 An illegal pitch when a runner or runners are on base is when....

(d) the pitcher, when touching the plate, throws, or feints a throw to an occupied base, except for the purpose of making a play

Source: 2009 Little League Umpire School Rules Instruction Manual (RIM)

PG 83 Rule 8:05 (d) Instructor Comments:
"Throwing to an unocccupied base to make an appeal is acceptable and not a balk."

So if the pitcher threw to an unoccupied "base" (Per defnition- in this case home plate) for the purpose of making a play (per Rule 8:05 (d) and which according to the RIM interpretation is perfectly fine- why is this not a proper appeal?



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This is from one of our umps who just joined the board. It happened in our first tournament game, majors. Runner misses home. Catcher without the ball, it...
russkyl49
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Jul 3, 2009
11:09 pm

Just to clarify-the picther clearly was not "pitching." I would define it has a "pitch out." The pitcher, in a relaxed manner (not his normal windup), threw...
drtinphx
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Jul 3, 2009
11:26 pm

Just to clarify-the picther clearly was not "pitching." I would define it has a "pitch out." The pitcher, in a relaxed manner (not his normal windup), threw...
Jay
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Jul 4, 2009
1:39 am

At this point I am not so convinced it was a ball. To the contrary there is a strong arguement that this was a proper appeal: Source: 2009 Little League Rule...
drtinphx
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Jul 4, 2009
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I think I have an illegal pitch. If the same thing happened, said he was appealing etc and the pitch was right down the middle I would not want to reward the...
Russell Smith
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Jul 4, 2009
3:01 am

So if the pitcher threw to an unoccupied "base" (Per defnition- in this case home plate) for the purpose of making a play (per Rule 8:05 (d) and which...
Jay
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Jul 4, 2009
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A PITCH is a ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher. How can you not call a pitcher who is properly engaged with the rubber and throwing to home not a...
drtinphx
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Jul 4, 2009
3:24 am

"The pitcher, in a relaxed manner (not his normal windup), threw the ball to the catcher who was far to the outside (in the LH batters box,) when he caught the...
Jay
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Jul 4, 2009
4:53 am

... What defines a pitch is being in contact with the rubber and throwing toward the plate. You can not redefine what a pitch is. If you are going to make an...
llcad33
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Jul 4, 2009
5:42 am

... I respectfully disagree, The definition of a pitch which Jay posted verbatim from Rule 2.0 is: "A ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher." Not sure...
drtinphx
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Jul 4, 2009
6:42 am

Clay gave you the accepted definition of a pitch. What you had was ball one to the batter and the defense lost its chance to appeal. Here is the definition of...
Travis Brown
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Jul 4, 2009
7:22 am

Some pretty heated discussion on this one.  It seems to come up every year, and has been beat up each year.  Here is the ruling from EVERY authority out...
Lee Batterman
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Jul 4, 2009
6:13 pm

What wasn't stated in the OP and, after reading Batman's rulings, IMO is the determining factor in weather it's a pitch or appeal is... was the batter in the...
Richard Carrillo
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Jul 6, 2009
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