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Re: [WRLLUmpires] Re: Scorekeepers...


>Make no mistake, the changes are coming through me, and I record them
>all. I just request the managers to do it in a voice just loud enough
>for the scorekeeper to hear. It's that simple. I get a thumbs up from
>the sk, and we're ready to go. It just skips a step in the normal
>process, insures everyone is on the same page, and gets the kids back
>to playing ball quicker. Plus, the managers and scorekeeper seem to
>like it.

Thanks for the explanation, Kyle. Didn't read that clearly in your
earlier msgs and, this is exactly how I do things as well. It is a
convenience for the scorekeeper so if the scorekeeper doesn't hear
the manager, I ensure I repeat the manager's change loud enough for
the scorekeeper to hear. And to keep the legalities crystal clear I
inform the managers at the pre-game mtg that "when I repeat it
(meaning the change) back to you, if you don't correct me, at that
time the change becomes official." IMHO that is important because
once the change becomes official ANYTHING related to the official
batting order is done to the "new" batting order. How important is
that? I had to eject a player once just moments after the manager
had completed inserting his last substitute. Sorry manager, your
changes are done and your opponent gets to decide who re-enters the
game to replace the ejected player. Ouch! :-(

>....that got me thinking there had to be a better way to do this.

I am sure there is, but I haven't seen one..... at least not
yet. ;-) And this technique works well at all tournament locations
I have participated at... including those with language issues. :-)

>The only difference between regular season, for me, and post season is
>CBO. I note who's catching, and get the pitching changes. That's about
>all there is to it. CBO is nice in that respect.

Okay. Read like you were doing something significantly differently.

Andy
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Make no mistake, the changes are coming through me, and I record them all. I just request the managers to do it in a voice just loud enough for the scorekeeper...
Kyle Telleson
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Dec 3, 2008
8:04 am

... Thanks for the explanation, Kyle. Didn't read that clearly in your earlier msgs and, this is exactly how I do things as well. It is a convenience for the...
Andy Millon
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Dec 3, 2008
1:52 pm

Just a wild guess here Andy but, is this a slow time of the year for you? :-) ... whoever ... that's ... deal ... in ... illegally. ... chief…. ... team's...
Charlie
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Dec 4, 2008
1:42 am

... I guess the answer would depend upon what subject matter you are thinking about. ;-) Slow umpiring time? For on-the-field stuff... yes. Off the field ...
Andy Millon
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Dec 4, 2008
5:41 am

Well Andy with all that time in the room...I reckon you do have time to write. (Better than watching most of what's on TV) I appreciate the time you take to...
Joe Venegas, Jr.
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Dec 5, 2008
3:52 am

Andy Millon's post with all the citations noted, concerning Umpire responsibility and Line Up changes, is one of the best posts you'll find here. Keep this...
Lee Batterman
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Dec 8, 2008
7:49 pm

... In reading the above, I will make a couple of assumptions (always dangerous): (1) You (WR?) allow the managers to make changes at any time during an...
Andy Millon
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Dec 10, 2008
6:09 pm

What do you think I did? Andy CA31    Andy, I think you followed the "official batting order", the one in your hand. If the proper batter was on base, you...
Mark Teagle
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Dec 10, 2008
10:53 pm

I think that you had to eject at least one person before you got through explaining what Andy just said. ________________________________ From:...
Scott Steinmetz
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Dec 10, 2008
11:34 pm

First, my comment was mostly in jest ... though I can see an ejection here of a hot manager who thinks that he is being screwed by an umpire. An umpire who is...
Scott Steinmetz
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Dec 12, 2008
6:47 pm

In addition, you might have ejected any particularly exercised managers, coaches or scorekeepers.   TG CA - D3 ... From: Mark Teagle <marktheump@...> ...
Theodore Gazulis
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Dec 11, 2008
7:25 am

Again, Andy is correct. A manager may make changes whenever he needs to. My example was in regard to ROUTINE CHANGES (for timely changes and Game...
Lee Batterman
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Dec 12, 2008
5:28 pm

... Batman, I try to do the same (sometimes field configurations prevent it) with only slight variations. I do NOT like opposing managers to "listen in" when I...
Andy Millon
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Dec 12, 2008
6:49 pm

... Gents, I am surprised. What would be the basis for the ejection? IOW, how would you justify ejecting someone for screwing up.... even if it was really...
Andy Millon
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Dec 12, 2008
6:37 pm

I completely concurred with Mark's analysis.  I merely pointed out that there might be, shall we say, continuing action.   The need (and basis) for ejections...
Theodore Gazulis
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Dec 13, 2008
12:22 am

... Sorry gents. That went right over my head........ ......and I didn't even duck. <:-| Andy CA31...
Andy Millon
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Dec 14, 2008
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There does not seem to be any confusion with regards to the relationship of the official scorekeeper and the UIC. However, when I brought the issue up at my...
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Dec 13, 2008
7:05 am

Not that "I'm" aware of as long as the manage/coach is not talking to anyone outside the fence/playing field... Of course this precludes them from talking to...
Ken Smith
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Dec 13, 2008
7:13 am

... Howdie Howard! :-) Yes. Rule 3.09. The punctuation (commas in this case) make this a list of prohibited activities. Highlighted to indicate your ...
Andy Millon
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Dec 13, 2008
7:08 pm

If the "unofficial" scorekeeper is not in the dugout, then the manager/coaches are prohibited by rule from communicating with them. Take a look at 3.09. ... ...
Charlie
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Dec 13, 2008
10:53 pm

... his job at that moment, creates a safety hazard (especially when he/she gets excited) and is not permitted per 4.05 (which lists what IS permitted). So you...
Jeff Frese
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Dec 13, 2008
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A scorebook is a safety hazard?  Jeez Andy, they must use some kinda different scorebook in your area.... And coaches can't multitask?  That seems like a...
Theodore Gazulis
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Dec 14, 2008
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... Rules 4.05 and 9.01(b). ... R2 trying to score, 3B coach is excitedly waving him home with book in hand. Book slips from his hand striking R2 in the face....
Andy Millon
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Dec 14, 2008
3:59 am

I'm probably going to get ripped for this, but here goes. There are many things that can happen on the field some of which we can and do avoid but, there are...
Charlie
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Dec 14, 2008
10:58 pm

I know I'm late to the game, but what does this have to do with scorekeepers? Like many of us, I get at least 50 e-mails a day. I've been deleting the ones...
Steve Gazay
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Dec 14, 2008
11:34 pm

... Charlie, Thanks for your opinions. You won't get "ripped" here because (JMHO's) the users here appreciate reading different opinions. Nobody mentioned...
Andy Millon
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Dec 15, 2008
4:11 am

There are a few places in which reasonable, responsible, experienced umpires will just have to agree to disagree.  I think this is one of them.  TG CA - D3 ...
Theodore Gazulis
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Dec 15, 2008
4:48 am

... That's where the "YMMV" comes into play. ;-) Andy CA31...
Andy Millon
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Dec 15, 2008
4:52 am

Hey Andy; I do believe Ted hit it on the head - this is one of those things where one has to agree to disagree. One thing I just now noticed is in closing I...
Charlie
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Dec 16, 2008
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Hi all! As you can see I am new here. I am looking for what different leagues do for opening day, and I am hoping you are all willing to share with me. ...
Whitney Donohue
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