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#403 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:30 pm
Subject: Rallycross Schedule Change ghostlyneon
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All,

I know I just published a schedule for this season but I have a change that you all might like. Working with Orion Fairman in Columbus we have come up with the First OVR/WOR Rallycross Challenge. It will be held on Sat June 17 AND Sun June 18 at Hoover's Place near South Charleston, Ohio.

This being said the WOR event on June 24 will need to be cancelled unless there is enough interest to have back to back event weekends. We can leave it on the schedule for now and cancel later.

This event will be scored as a points event for each club, meaning it is a points event for WOR and a points event for OVR.

More info on these events will be sent out as it is available.

The OVR Rallycross schedule will be published this week.

Thanks

Dave

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#402 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:33 pm
Subject: Another chance for shaping RallyCross ghostlyneon
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Gang,

Here is a chance for you to help shape the future of RallyCross! SCCA is setting up a National Board of Directors for RallyCross and needs more applicants. So step up! Also there is a need for Rallycross Safety Stewards and a Divisional Stewardship if someone wants to start out easy.

Dave

If interested in any of these please contact

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#401 From: "Jim Hardesty" <jimhardesty@...>
Date: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:59 pm
Subject: RE: 2006 WOR RALLYCROSS SERIES booboojeh
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You can now see the schedule in stunning HTML glory at http://www.worscca.org/rally/schedule.html

jim

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Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 2006 WOR RALLYCROSS SERIES

All,

Attached is the 2006 WOR RallyCross Schedule

Event #1 Sat. April 29 @ Dwires Farm

Event #2 Sat. May 20 @ Dwires Farm

Event #3 Sat. June 24 @ Dwires Farm

Event #4 Sat. July 22 @ Dwires Farm

Event #5 Sat. Aug. 26 CENDIV Event (Site TBD)

Event #6 Sat. Sept. 23 @ Dwires Farm

Event #7 Sat. Oct. 21 @ Dwires Farm

The CENDIV Event site has not been finallized at this time.

One of the Dwire Events may move to the new OVR Site near London, OH as a dual event with OVR. However at this time that date has not been decided.

With the weather as it has been an event in Feb or March is looking unlikely.

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#400 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:57 pm
Subject: 2006 WOR RALLYCROSS SERIES ghostlyneon
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All,

Attached is the 2006 WOR RallyCross Schedule

Event #1 Sat. April 29 @ Dwires Farm

Event #2 Sat. May 20 @ Dwires Farm

Event #3 Sat. June 24 @ Dwires Farm

Event #4 Sat. July 22 @ Dwires Farm

Event #5 Sat. Aug. 26 CENDIV Event (Site TBD)

Event #6 Sat. Sept. 23 @ Dwires Farm

Event #7 Sat. Oct. 21 @ Dwires Farm

The CENDIV Event site has not been finallized at this time.

One of the Dwire Events may move to the new OVR Site near London, OH as a dual event with OVR. However at this time that date has not been decided.

With the weather as it has been an event in Feb or March is looking unlikely.

Thanks

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#399 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: tire tread gap sizing eyesoremirage1
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Okay. That works for me. :-) I have a tendency to get a little too technical. Must be from being an engineer for too many years.

dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...> wrote:

The unofficial method from the other stewards is using a 11/32 drill bit it should fit down to the main carcas?!

Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...> wrote:

Okay folks, I checked my machinist's chart and for everybody's reference the closest drill bit to .340 is a letter "R" tap drill which is .3390. The closest fractional is a 21/64 which is 0.3281. Your local hardware should be able to order you one. Or if ya don't wanna mess with it, I will have one on hand when we have our first rallycross. And as far as measuring, If the dull end of the drill bit goes into the tread block groove with no deformation or drag on the tread blocks, you are bigger than 0.34.

Hope I didn't just muddy it up worse rather than make it easier.

Todd

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#398 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: tire tread gap sizing ghostlyneon
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The unofficial method from the other stewards is using a 11/32 drill bit it should fit down to the main carcas?!

Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...> wrote:

Okay folks, I checked my machinist's chart and for everybody's reference the closest drill bit to .340 is a letter "R" tap drill which is .3390. The closest fractional is a 21/64 which is 0.3281. Your local hardware should be able to order you one. Or if ya don't wanna mess with it, I will have one on hand when we have our first rallycross. And as far as measuring, If the dull end of the drill bit goes into the tread block groove with no deformation or drag on the tread blocks, you are bigger than 0.34.

Hope I didn't just muddy it up worse rather than make it easier.

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#397 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:04 pm
Subject: tire tread gap sizing eyesoremirage1
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Okay folks, I checked my machinist's chart and for everybody's reference the closest drill bit to .340 is a letter "R" tap drill which is .3390. The closest fractional is a 21/64 which is 0.3281. Your local hardware should be able to order you one. Or if ya don't wanna mess with it, I will have one on hand when we have our first rallycross. And as far as measuring, If the dull end of the drill bit goes into the tread block groove with no deformation or drag on the tread blocks, you are bigger than 0.34.

Hope I didn't just muddy it up worse rather than make it easier.

Todd

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#396 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: 06 Prep rules and classes eyesoremirage1
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Okay Pete, ya got me. I wasn't pushing the envelope hard enough I guess. And since I volunteered(make that begged) to be tech this year, I guess what I say goes. I like the sound of that. Anybody know where I can get a monacle?

And as far as the OEM wheel rules go, I'm screwed too. I couldn't even find an OEM wheel when the semi ran over the side of my car. It's pretty bad when the dealer tells you he can't get them....

Pete Remner <izzmus@...> wrote:

On 1/11/06, Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...> wrote:

Not the carbon-metallics I have on my car Pete. I can just about stand that little mirage on it's nose and they don't fade. At all. Guess this means the duralast golds from autozone for me.......

I didn't interpret the rules to say carbon-metallic, I was taking it to mean Formula 1 type stuff. But regardless, braking is always going to be limited by the traction you have at the speeds we play at, IMO.

If it meant carbon-metallic, there are a lot of OEM cars that would be disqualified!

"BTW, I can interpret some of these rules in interesting ways... For instance, the Stock class "Vehicle lights may be replaced with alternate bulbs and housing... Total number of lights shall not be less than standard" can be exploited. One could easily shed a good amount of weight, as well as street legality and general usefulness, by removing the factory lighting and replacing them with the right number of parts-store LED lights in their nice little riceware housings."

I've already got em Pete.As far as weight, they actually are heavier, not to mention usually a lot cheaper than the factory replacements after some crash damage...

Nah, you don't get what I meant. Interpreting the rules literally, I could take my car and remove the two headlights and buckets ("the housings", I will be charitable and not include the lift motors) and the two turn signal bulbs and housings, and simply stick four of those LED washer nozzles on the front of the car (heck, even wire them up properly). This meets a literal interpretation of the rules - the same number of bulbs are there, and the washer nozzles constitute "alternate housing". Blows the spirit of the rule all to hell and back, of course.

This is just like the rule "Seats are free but must be solidly mounted". Notice that for the *pavement* cone-squishers, they usually specify "...and must be of a type that could be used as a driver's seat", to prevent any funny business bolting in baby carriers or bicycle seats.

Of course, final interpretation is up to Tech, right? That should solve all the niggling problems, at least on the regional levels.

>I also think the only car that you would be racing against(unless I didn't read the rules right yet, which is possible) would >be that little mitsubishi colt that is a full rally car. Am I wrong or isn't there a distinction between front and rear wheel >drive on the modified?

I don't see a distinction between front or rear. Don't forget the BugFH :)

I liked the ride I got in that Lancer. Didn't feel any faster than the RX-7 though (I had the Sentra that day so I couldn't compare times) but that could be down to an unhappy engine, or the suspension's sorted well enough that it didn't *feel* fast...

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#395 From: Pete Remner <izzmus@...>
Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:24 am
Subject: Re: 06 Prep rules and classes izzmus
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On 1/11/06, Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...> wrote:

Not the carbon-metallics I have on my car Pete. I can just about stand that little mirage on it's nose and they don't fade. At all. Guess this means the duralast golds from autozone for me.......

I didn't interpret the rules to say carbon-metallic, I was taking it to mean Formula 1 type stuff. But regardless, braking is always going to be limited by the traction you have at the speeds we play at, IMO.

If it meant carbon-metallic, there are a lot of OEM cars that would be disqualified!

"BTW, I can interpret some of these rules in interesting ways... For instance, the Stock class "Vehicle lights may be replaced with alternate bulbs and housing... Total number of lights shall not be less than standard" can be exploited. One could easily shed a good amount of weight, as well as street legality and general usefulness, by removing the factory lighting and replacing them with the right number of parts-store LED lights in their nice little riceware housings."

I've already got em Pete.As far as weight, they actually are heavier, not to mention usually a lot cheaper than the factory replacements after some crash damage...

Nah, you don't get what I meant. Interpreting the rules literally, I could take my car and remove the two headlights and buckets ("the housings", I will be charitable and not include the lift motors) and the two turn signal bulbs and housings, and simply stick four of those LED washer nozzles on the front of the car (heck, even wire them up properly). This meets a literal interpretation of the rules - the same number of bulbs are there, and the washer nozzles constitute "alternate housing". Blows the spirit of the rule all to hell and back, of course.

This is just like the rule "Seats are free but must be solidly mounted". Notice that for the *pavement* cone-squishers, they usually specify "...and must be of a type that could be used as a driver's seat", to prevent any funny business bolting in baby carriers or bicycle seats.

Of course, final interpretation is up to Tech, right? That should solve all the niggling problems, at least on the regional levels.

>I also think the only car that you would be racing against(unless I didn't read the rules right yet, which is possible) would >be that little mitsubishi colt that is a full rally car. Am I wrong or isn't there a distinction between front and rear wheel >drive on the modified?

I don't see a distinction between front or rear. Don't forget the BugFH :)

I liked the ride I got in that Lancer. Didn't feel any faster than the RX-7 though (I had the Sentra that day so I couldn't compare times) but that could be down to an unhappy engine, or the suspension's sorted well enough that it didn't *feel* fast...

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#394 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: 06 Prep rules and classes ghostlyneon
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I thought there was a wheel rule but can't find it!

Looking into it more.

Dave

Orion Fairman <OFAIRMAN@...> wrote:

If that's the case we're all stuck with OEM wheels on all cars and with the tire rules written the way they are, I'd call that more than a little oversight.....

Orion

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You are correct in the last statement.

"if it doesn't say you can, you can't"

Orion Fairman <OFAIRMAN@...> wrote:

Is it me or is there an oversight in not mentioning wheels at all? One can infer that wheels are free based on the tire rules for each class, but in other forms of racing the rule of "if it doesn't say you can, you can't" would override running any wheel other than OEM dimensions.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:54 AM

Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

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Dave Rudy

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#393 From: "Orion Fairman" <OFAIRMAN@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:08 pm
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If that's the case we're all stuck with OEM wheels on all cars and with the tire rules written the way they are, I'd call that more than a little oversight.....

Orion

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You are correct in the last statement.

"if it doesn't say you can, you can't"

Orion Fairman <OFAIRMAN@...> wrote:

Is it me or is there an oversight in not mentioning wheels at all? One can infer that wheels are free based on the tire rules for each class, but in other forms of racing the rule of "if it doesn't say you can, you can't" would override running any wheel other than OEM dimensions.

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Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

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#392 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:44 pm
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As for measuring tire gap there is a nifty little trick with a drill bit that works without question. I will dig one up and give try.

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#391 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:42 pm
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You are correct in the last statement.

"if it doesn't say you can, you can't"

Orion Fairman <OFAIRMAN@...> wrote:

Is it me or is there an oversight in not mentioning wheels at all? One can infer that wheels are free based on the tire rules for each class, but in other forms of racing the rule of "if it doesn't say you can, you can't" would override running any wheel other than OEM dimensions.

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Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

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#390 From: "Orion Fairman" <OFAIRMAN@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:03 pm
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Is it me or is there an oversight in not mentioning wheels at all? One can infer that wheels are free based on the tire rules for each class, but in other forms of racing the rule of "if it doesn't say you can, you can't" would override running any wheel other than OEM dimensions.

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From: dave rudy

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:54 AM

Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

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#389 From: "Orion Fairman" <OFAIRMAN@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:07 pm
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No problem at all. I was just making sure everyone was clear on it. Many times people show up and expect someone will properly class them at the event, but that's not the case at all.

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#388 From: "eyesoremirage1" <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:03 pm
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I mis-stated myself Orion. I understand that policing the prep rules
are up to each competitor themselves, but I just want to make it easier
for them to do that by providing the tools available, I.E. a go/nogo
gauge for the tires, a copy of the prep rules onhand (which will be
laminated to the back of my clipboard) and so on. I certainly am not
going to be a gestapo on it, but if someone wants my opinion on what is
legal or not, I want to be prepared to give them a knowledgeable answer
and not to have to fly by the seat of my pants. Sorry bout that.

Todd

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#387 From: "Orion Fairman" <OFAIRMAN@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:25 pm
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Just an FYI reminder to ANY competitor, proper classing is left up to YOU. It's not the job of tech inspector or any one else running the event. If there's an issue where you aren't certain of a parts legality for a specific class then you take it up with tech or someone more familiar with the rules whether it's on your own car or someone in your class (yes, that's what a protest is!).

I will know after this Saturday if OVR will have a 4-6 event season this year (things are looking good so far!) and since it's so late in the game for me getting things going I will be following whatever the National RallyCross Rules state. I won't have time this year to come up with any changes to classing for local events since we don't have any data to draw on to determine if the new classing is working for us or not. Obviously it takes some time to work out the kinks, but as long as a car adheres to the approved Nat Rules, that's what we will use for OVR.

I have one promising site that's in S. Charleston right now and I'll be working on 2 more, 1 in London and 1 way over at National Trails in Kirkersville.

Orion

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:56 AM

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Jim, I'll be doing a lot of the teching this year, mostly because I would like to be rallycross chair someday(Not next year unless you REALLY get intensive with teaching me how to do it Dave) and I am going to be making a distinction between repaired and upgraded on the exhaust system. If somebody just slapped a few pieces of pipe and a cheap glass pack on there to make it noise legal, then I'm not gonna classify it as modified, I'll class it as repaired. However, a fully welded and tuned cat back system, like on my car, will be set as a modified. And if you have headers, forget it. you are DEFINITELY modified. Whoever will be doing the classing part, (I don't know if that comes under tech or not) I am going to make a nifty little go/nogo gauge for their keychain on the tire part just to make sure there are no questions. Care to give that measuring class yet dave? lol

dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...> wrote:

I will teaching a class on how to measure tread gap. Stay tuned....

I agree with you on the classing. I wanted the RS class folded into stock not into prepared, but I also wanted a mostly stock class. And as for the short shifter, I did not catch that. If it came from the factory with it then its stock. If you add one then its prepared?!

There is some wording and clarification that I do not have yet that is in the final published version. I think it is better than what we had last year.

And "NO" I don't want to learn how to use margins!

Dave

Jim Hardesty <jimhardesty@...> wrote:

The tires rules are a little funny.

Snow tires are specifically allowed but �aggressive� tires are not.

I could be wrong but it seems like many (most) snow tires would be excluded by the 0.34 tread gap.

Although that is not well defined, is that vertical or horizontal or diagonal tread gaps?

Where do you measure, at the top or base of the tread?

It seems like they have left out the �beater class�, especially with regards to exhaust. Lots of unprepared cars show up with modified exhausts, by these rules they would be in Rally Prepared regardless of tire or other mods, right?

I do like the idea you can do pretty much anything you want in Rally Stock that doesn�t affect performance.

But it is kind of silly that you must keep a full interior or you are Rally Modified.

Huh?: A short shifter moves you from Rally Stock to Rally Prepared. Yeah, that�s a useful item. Of all the things to specify, why pick that one?

Somebody needs to learn how to use margins. One more indentation and they�d have only been able to fit two words per line�

jim

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:55 AM
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Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) Rallycross Steward

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#386 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:56 pm
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Jim, I'll be doing a lot of the teching this year, mostly because I would like to be rallycross chair someday(Not next year unless you REALLY get intensive with teaching me how to do it Dave) and I am going to be making a distinction between repaired and upgraded on the exhaust system. If somebody just slapped a few pieces of pipe and a cheap glass pack on there to make it noise legal, then I'm not gonna classify it as modified, I'll class it as repaired. However, a fully welded and tuned cat back system, like on my car, will be set as a modified. And if you have headers, forget it. you are DEFINITELY modified. Whoever will be doing the classing part, (I don't know if that comes under tech or not) I am going to make a nifty little go/nogo gauge for their keychain on the tire part just to make sure there are no questions. Care to give that measuring class yet dave? lol

dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...> wrote:

I will teaching a class on how to measure tread gap. Stay tuned....

I agree with you on the classing. I wanted the RS class folded into stock not into prepared, but I also wanted a mostly stock class. And as for the short shifter, I did not catch that. If it came from the factory with it then its stock. If you add one then its prepared?!

There is some wording and clarification that I do not have yet that is in the final published version. I think it is better than what we had last year.

And "NO" I don't want to learn how to use margins!

Dave

Jim Hardesty <jimhardesty@...> wrote:

The tires rules are a little funny.

Snow tires are specifically allowed but �aggressive� tires are not.

I could be wrong but it seems like many (most) snow tires would be excluded by the 0.34 tread gap.

Although that is not well defined, is that vertical or horizontal or diagonal tread gaps?

Where do you measure, at the top or base of the tread?

It seems like they have left out the �beater class�, especially with regards to exhaust. Lots of unprepared cars show up with modified exhausts, by these rules they would be in Rally Prepared regardless of tire or other mods, right?

I do like the idea you can do pretty much anything you want in Rally Stock that doesn�t affect performance.

But it is kind of silly that you must keep a full interior or you are Rally Modified.

Huh?: A short shifter moves you from Rally Stock to Rally Prepared. Yeah, that�s a useful item. Of all the things to specify, why pick that one?

Somebody needs to learn how to use margins. One more indentation and they�d have only been able to fit two words per line�

jim

From: WOR-Rallycross@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WOR-Rallycross@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dave rudy
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Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) Rallycross Steward

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#385 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:59 pm
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Pete Remner <izzmus@...> wrote:

"No carbon brakes allowed in RP? Oh No! There goes that secret weapon that so many people were planning... <grin>"

"(Don't carbon brakes require quite a bit of warmup before they do any actual good? Unless this rule is meant as a save-people-from-being-dumb rule rather than a performance limiter rule)"

Not the carbon-metallics I have on my car Pete. I can just about stand that little mirage on it's nose and they don't fade. At all. Guess this means the duralast golds from autozone for me.......

"BTW, I can interpret some of these rules in interesting ways... For instance, the Stock class "Vehicle lights may be replaced with alternate bulbs and housing... Total number of lights shall not be less than standard" can be exploited. One could easily shed a good amount of weight, as well as street legality and general usefulness, by removing the factory lighting and replacing them with the right number of parts-store LED lights in their nice little riceware housings."

I've already got em Pete.As far as weight, they actually are heavier, not to mention usually a lot cheaper than the factory replacements after some crash damage.(mine were 135 for a 4 bulb setup on the front with the little angel halos in blue of course, instead of over 200 for ONE factory one bulb headlight) And mine are DOT approved. (Yeah, I'm a ricer at heart, so nyahhh....lol)

And ya gotta admit, the rules are a LOT better than the 40 classes we had last year. lol

I also think the only car that you would be racing against(unless I didn't read the rules right yet, which is possible) would be that little mitsubishi colt that is a full rally car. Am I wrong or isn't there a distinction between front and rear wheel drive on the modified?

Just my .02 american.

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#384 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:58 pm
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Pete Remner <izzmus@...> wrote:

"No carbon brakes allowed in RP? Oh No! There goes that secret weapon that so many people were planning... <grin>"

"(Don't carbon brakes require quite a bit of warmup before they do any actual good? Unless this rule is meant as a save-people-from-being-dumb rule rather than a performance limiter rule)"

Not the carbon-metallics I have on my car Pete. I can just about stand that little mirage on it's nose and they don't fade. At all. Guess this means the duralast golds from autozone for me.......

"BTW, I can interpret some of these rules in interesting ways... For instance, the Stock class "Vehicle lights may be replaced with alternate bulbs and housing... Total number of lights shall not be less than standard" can be exploited. One could easily shed a good amount of weight, as well as street legality and general usefulness, by removing the factory lighting and replacing them with the right number of parts-store LED lights in their nice little riceware housings."

I've already got em Pete.As far as weight, they actually are heavier, not to mention usually a lot cheaper than the factory replacements after some crash damage.(mine were 135 for a 4 bulb setup on the front with the little angel halos in blue of course, instead of over 200 for ONE factory one bulb headlight) And mine are DOT approved. (Yeah, I'm a ricer at heart, so nyahhh....lol)

And ya gotta admit, the rules are a LOT better than the 40 classes we had last year. lol

I also think the only car that you would be racing against(unless I didn't read the rules right yet, which is possible) would be that little mitsubishi colt that is a full rally car. Am I wrong or isn't there a distinction between front and rear wheel drive on the modified?

Just my .02 american.

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#383 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:57 pm
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Pete Remner <izzmus@...> wrote:

"No carbon brakes allowed in RP? Oh No! There goes that secret weapon that so many people were planning... <grin>"

"(Don't carbon brakes require quite a bit of warmup before they do any actual good? Unless this rule is meant as a save-people-from-being-dumb rule rather than a performance limiter rule)"

Not the carbon-metallics I have on my car Pete. I can just about stand that little mirage on it's nose and they don't fade. At all. Guess this means the duralast golds from autozone for me.......

"BTW, I can interpret some of these rules in interesting ways... For instance, the Stock class "Vehicle lights may be replaced with alternate bulbs and housing... Total number of lights shall not be less than standard" can be exploited. One could easily shed a good amount of weight, as well as street legality and general usefulness, by removing the factory lighting and replacing them with the right number of parts-store LED lights in their nice little riceware housings."

I've already got em Pete.As far as weight, they actually are heavier, not to mention usually a lot cheaper than the factory replacements after some crash damage.(mine were 135 for a 4 bulb setup on the front with the little angel halos in blue of course, instead of over 200 for ONE factory one bulb headlight) And mine are DOT approved. (Yeah, I'm a ricer at heart, so nyahhh....lol)

And ya gotta admit, the rules are a LOT better than the 40 classes we had last year. lol

I also think the only car that you would be racing against(unless I didn't read the rules right yet, which is possible) would be that little mitsubishi colt that is a full rally car. Am I wrong or isn't there a distinction between front and rear wheel drive on the modified?

Just my .02 american.

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#382 From: Pete Remner <izzmus@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:42 am
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No carbon brakes allowed in RP? Oh No! There goes that secret weapon that so many people were planning... <grin>

(Don't carbon brakes require quite a bit of warmup before they do any actual good? Unless this rule is meant as a save-people-from-being-dumb rule rather than a performance limiter rule)

BTW, I can interpret some of these rules in interesting ways... For instance, the Stock class "Vehicle lights may be replaced with alternate bulbs and housing... Total number of lights shall not be less than standard" can be exploited. One could easily shed a good amount of weight, as well as street legality and general usefulness, by removing the factory lighting and replacing them with the right number of parts-store LED lights in their nice little riceware housings. The fuel rule can be contested because M85 (or is it E85, one of 'em) is "commonly available" in many areas, including Columbus, and is a mainly alcohol fuel. (On the other hand, there are several pumps up here that sell nice yummy race fuel, too) This is probably something that needs to be addressed in the future as the infrastructure to support all of the dual-fuel cars on the road finally comes around.

I do applaud changing the "street/non-agressive" tire rule from .25" to .34" tread gaps. I've been paying close attention, and there are a surprising number of street tires that would fail the old rule, some of 'em would really, really suck off pavement (like the super-wide Z-rated Nitto's on a customer's pickup, heck they don't even have grip on pavement either)

While running in Prepared would be cool, mainly because the class would also be my initials, the car is solidly M2 material at this point. (Violates D.4.c, D.4.d, D.5, D.8, D.9, D.12... Looks like it's finally time for tires :) ) Who else would be running in M2 besides the BFH? (I dunno if Eric's Omni would be P or M, heck I don't know if it's fixed yet)

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#381 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:34 pm
Subject: RE: 06 Prep rules and classes ghostlyneon
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I will teaching a class on how to measure tread gap. Stay tuned....

I agree with you on the classing. I wanted the RS class folded into stock not into prepared, but I also wanted a mostly stock class. And as for the short shifter, I did not catch that. If it came from the factory with it then its stock. If you add one then its prepared?!

There is some wording and clarification that I do not have yet that is in the final published version. I think it is better than what we had last year.

And "NO" I don't want to learn how to use margins!

Dave

Jim Hardesty <jimhardesty@...> wrote:

The tires rules are a little funny.

Snow tires are specifically allowed but �aggressive� tires are not.

I could be wrong but it seems like many (most) snow tires would be excluded by the 0.34 tread gap.

Although that is not well defined, is that vertical or horizontal or diagonal tread gaps?

Where do you measure, at the top or base of the tread?

It seems like they have left out the �beater class�, especially with regards to exhaust. Lots of unprepared cars show up with modified exhausts, by these rules they would be in Rally Prepared regardless of tire or other mods, right?

I do like the idea you can do pretty much anything you want in Rally Stock that doesn�t affect performance.

But it is kind of silly that you must keep a full interior or you are Rally Modified.

Huh?: A short shifter moves you from Rally Stock to Rally Prepared. Yeah, that�s a useful item. Of all the things to specify, why pick that one?

Somebody needs to learn how to use margins. One more indentation and they�d have only been able to fit two words per line�

jim

From: WOR-Rallycross@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WOR-Rallycross@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dave rudy
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:55 AM
To: wor-rallycross@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) Rallycross Steward

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#380 From: "Jim Hardesty" <jimhardesty@...>
Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:14 pm
Subject: RE: 06 Prep rules and classes booboojeh
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The tires rules are a little funny.

Snow tires are specifically allowed but “aggressive” tires are not.

I could be wrong but it seems like many (most) snow tires would be excluded by the 0.34 tread gap.

Although that is not well defined, is that vertical or horizontal or diagonal tread gaps?

Where do you measure, at the top or base of the tread?

It seems like they have left out the “beater class”, especially with regards to exhaust. Lots of unprepared cars show up with modified exhausts, by these rules they would be in Rally Prepared regardless of tire or other mods, right?

I do like the idea you can do pretty much anything you want in Rally Stock that doesn’t affect performance.

But it is kind of silly that you must keep a full interior or you are Rally Modified.

Huh?: A short shifter moves you from Rally Stock to Rally Prepared. Yeah, that’s a useful item. Of all the things to specify, why pick that one?

Somebody needs to learn how to use margins. One more indentation and they’d have only been able to fit two words per line…

jim

From: WOR-Rallycross@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WOR-Rallycross@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dave rudy
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:55 AM
To: wor-rallycross@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] 06 Prep rules and classes

Attached is the 2006 Car Prep Rules and Classes. Please note that there is a 99% chance that these will be the rules approved by the BoD and are not official until such Bod approval, meaning that this is what all of the Stewards agreed upon.

Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) Rallycross Steward

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#379 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: Things to consider for 2007 (or even 2006) ghostlyneon
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06 will most likely be all Neon. Then 07 is all Rex....

Dave

Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...> wrote:

Dave Rudy in a scooby rex. anybody else saying "Oh sh&*"? lol Dang Dave, you were supposed to race the neon till I got good enough to beat ya!

I hope everyone else is looking forward to racing as much as I am!

Todd

"the welder"

dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...> wrote:

Well all I hope your winter is going fine.

Mine is ok, esp having just picked up an 03 WRX. It might see some action this season! And the Neon is awaiting some maintenance, so it will be back to tip top form.

Here is what I have for everyone to think about:

1. RallyCross Chair for 2007. The time is approaching for me to step back and let someone else improve on what WOR does. No prior knowledge required on how to run the show, I can assist! Talk to me or AsstRE Chuck Grove.

2. Divisional Steward and National RallyCross Board. If you want to help mold the future of RallyCross here is your chance. Contact the National office and talk to Pego Mack.

3. Site acquisition! As WOR grows there is going to be a need for additional race sites. Have and idea? Go talk to them. Then call me and I can follow up with answers to just about any question the site owner may ask.

Ok, not very much but at least something to think about.

Thanks for your time.

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR RallyCross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) RallyCross Steward

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#378 From: Todd davis <eyesoremirage1@...>
Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:23 pm
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Dave Rudy in a scooby rex. anybody else saying "Oh sh&*"?

lol Dang Dave, you were supposed to race the neon till I got good enough to beat ya!

I hope everyone else is looking forward to racing as much as I am!

Todd

"the welder"

dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...> wrote:

Well all I hope your winter is going fine.

Mine is ok, esp having just picked up an 03 WRX. It might see some action this season! And the Neon is awaiting some maintenance, so it will be back to tip top form.

Here is what I have for everyone to think about:

1. RallyCross Chair for 2007. The time is approaching for me to step back and let someone else improve on what WOR does. No prior knowledge required on how to run the show, I can assist! Talk to me or AsstRE Chuck Grove.

2. Divisional Steward and National RallyCross Board. If you want to help mold the future of RallyCross here is your chance. Contact the National office and talk to Pego Mack.

3. Site acquisition! As WOR grows there is going to be a need for additional race sites. Have and idea? Go talk to them. Then call me and I can follow up with answers to just about any question the site owner may ask.

Ok, not very much but at least something to think about.

Thanks for your time.

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR RallyCross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) RallyCross Steward

937-545-2995

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#377 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:54 pm
Subject: 06 Prep rules and classes ghostlyneon
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Now you can prepare for the 2006 season and know what class you will be in.

Thanks

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR Rallycross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) Rallycross Steward

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#376 From: dave rudy <ghostlyneon@...>
Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:42 pm
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Well all I hope your winter is going fine.

Mine is ok, esp having just picked up an 03 WRX. It might see some action this season! And the Neon is awaiting some maintenance, so it will be back to tip top form.

Here is what I have for everyone to think about:

1. RallyCross Chair for 2007. The time is approaching for me to step back and let someone else improve on what WOR does. No prior knowledge required on how to run the show, I can assist! Talk to me or AsstRE Chuck Grove.

2. Divisional Steward and National RallyCross Board. If you want to help mold the future of RallyCross here is your chance. Contact the National office and talk to Pego Mack.

3. Site acquisition! As WOR grows there is going to be a need for additional race sites. Have and idea? Go talk to them. Then call me and I can follow up with answers to just about any question the site owner may ask.

Ok, not very much but at least something to think about.

Thanks for your time.

Dave Rudy

2006 WOR RallyCross Chair

GLDiv (CenDiv Area 4) RallyCross Steward

937-545-2995

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#375 From: "Jim Hardesty" <jimhardesty@...>
Date: Mon Jan 2, 2006 4:22 pm
Subject: RE: Happy Gnu Year to WOR RallyXers! booboojeh
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I think this week dan's email address is dwcoughnour@...

jim

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Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:58 PM
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Subject: [WOR-Rallycross] Happy Gnu Year to WOR RallyXers!

Happy New Year everyone, hope you had a Merry Christmas, too!

Chris and Elyse Greenhouse here.  I (chris) am looking for crew to
assist me in stage rallying a Dodge neon that I now own for
Production/Group 2 competition.  I am anxiously looking forward to
testing at a the next RallyX.  Anyone who is interested in spending a
weekend driving w/me to NY,PA, MI's UP, MN, TN or wherever RA/NASA
rallies and working on my bent/broken car is more than welcome.
Email me for D-tails

Elyse says that she is not interested in a ladies class at WOR
RallyX.  She enjoys competing with the boys (and girls), and has
informed me that even if you have a ladies class, she won't run in
it.  Sorry y'all :(

also I need to get in touch with Dan Coughnour Sr.  Dan, your email
keeps getting returned to sender from the peoplepc address.  Do you
have a new one?

Sincerely,
Chris Greenhouse
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#374 From: "freightdog75" <freightdog@...>
Date: Sun Jan 1, 2006 5:58 pm
Subject: Happy Gnu Year to WOR RallyXers! freightdog75
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Happy New Year everyone, hope you had a Merry Christmas, too!

Chris and Elyse Greenhouse here.  I (chris) am looking for crew to
assist me in stage rallying a Dodge neon that I now own for
Production/Group 2 competition.  I am anxiously looking forward to
testing at a the next RallyX.  Anyone who is interested in spending a
weekend driving w/me to NY,PA, MI's UP, MN, TN or wherever RA/NASA
rallies and working on my bent/broken car is more than welcome.
Email me for D-tails

Elyse says that she is not interested in a ladies class at WOR
RallyX.  She enjoys competing with the boys (and girls), and has
informed me that even if you have a ladies class, she won't run in
it.  Sorry y'all :(

also I need to get in touch with Dan Coughnour Sr.  Dan, your email
keeps getting returned to sender from the peoplepc address.  Do you
have a new one?


Sincerely,
Chris Greenhouse
freightdog (a t) bigfoot (d o t)) com

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