Anyone going to Mighty Joe Youngs today and is worried about possible
snow coming back? I can offer a ride to 3 passengers and 2 skinny
people jammed in my Yakima ski rack in my Subaru. I am going from
Verplanck, so if you are interested and are on the flight path, call
914 393 5141.

I've been on the Bethel crit and it can be absolutely insane...lot's
of bumping, handlebars get co-mingled...  I noticed that there were a
lot of late teens/young 20's racing - young and fearless with lots of
bravado...and horrendous injuries/road rash.  You're right Bruce,
it's not worth it.


--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, "brucekwells" <bkwells@...> wrote:
>
> I did the Bethel crit many years ago.  The clue to that race is to
be
> in the front on the last three loops, the third to last will
probably
> not matter, but the they will go on the second, then the first is
the
> sprint.  You also want to be on the outside up the steepest part of
> the hill.  Also, don't let a break get away, it happens some times.
>
> --- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce,
> > Excellent info - thanks once again!  I'll see how do on the
Thursday
> > night rides before committing (even mentally) to the Tuesday
nights,
> > but yea it seems to be a great training opportunity that doesn't
make
> > sense to pass up.  Definite kudos to you and Aaron.
> >
> > I understand your sentiment about racing, but I can't ignore the
> > desire to test myself.  I also find the training strangely
enjoyable,
> > and knowing I have upcoming races helps me train that much harder.
> > I've got my first race ever this Sunday at Bethel (crit series);
> > weather's not looking too good though.. :/
> >
> > thanks again,
> > Josh
> >
>

I did the Bethel crit many years ago.  The clue to that race is to be
in the front on the last three loops, the third to last will probably
not matter, but the they will go on the second, then the first is the
sprint.  You also want to be on the outside up the steepest part of
the hill.  Also, don't let a break get away, it happens some times.

--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
> Excellent info - thanks once again!  I'll see how do on the Thursday
> night rides before committing (even mentally) to the Tuesday nights,
> but yea it seems to be a great training opportunity that doesn't make
> sense to pass up.  Definite kudos to you and Aaron.
>
> I understand your sentiment about racing, but I can't ignore the
> desire to test myself.  I also find the training strangely enjoyable,
> and knowing I have upcoming races helps me train that much harder.
> I've got my first race ever this Sunday at Bethel (crit series);
> weather's not looking too good though.. :/
>
> thanks again,
> Josh
>

Thanks Katie.  At the very least, I'll know whose wheel to suck :D

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Katie Marshall <kttrue@...> wrote:
> Josh, I can tell you, (and James, you can back me up here), that last year
> on the first Two Bridges ride, we dropped James like a hotcake.  Granted, I
> think he said he had been out playing late the night before, but he could
> not do the 18mph pace on the rollers.  After a summer of training with Bruce
> et al, he blew us all away at the time trials.  You set your cap to keep up
> with him.  You can do it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM, brucekwells <bkwells@...> wrote:
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> If you live and work in WP, then you are REQUIRED to do Thursday night
>> and encouraged to do Tuesday as well. Actually I would do both
>> Tuesday and Thursday at the start of the season just to get in shape
>> as fast as possible.
>>
>> The Tuesday/Thursday night rides are really just local training rides.
>> I started riding them 10 or so years ago and saw an immediate
>> improvement to my fitness level. About 5 years ago the rides died and
>> it was just Aaron and I doing them. At this point I started listing
>> them as club rides to get the ridership up, and that helped, but last
>> year, the riders came back to Tuesday, and it is once again a large
>> pack ride. So the answer to your question about A riders is there are
>> not many "WCC A" riders on these rides, but rather all the local
>> riders, most of whom race.
>>
>> Most of the WCC A riders I know (myself included), do not race, as for
>> me, the upside (winning a metal) is not worth the down side (serious
>> injury). Not so say all that racing offers is metals, but it is also
>> a serious time commitment and lots of travel (few local races), so I
>> don't bother. For me, staying with guys 1/2 my age is victory enough.
>> Being the first over Rt 22, inflicting pain on the flats, and
>> finishing with the pack at the end is a huge victory for me.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> --- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Bruce,
>> > Thanks for the advice. I have no problem working hard. After losing
>> > a lot of strength last year due to "life", i've been training hard for
>> > a few months, and a few weeks ago I tested myself on the gimbels ride
>> > (was able to hang on, barely, by a thread). I hope to make the
>> > Thursday night rides a regular part of my training - I live and work
>> > in White Plains, so there's really no excuse :D
>> >
>> > I know USI is the 'racing' club, comparatively, so maybe this is out
>> > of place here - but do a number of the A riders on the Tues/Thurs
>> > rides also race?
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Kate Marshall
> 13 North Highland Place
> Croton on Hudson, NY 10520
> 617-365-3092
>

Bruce,
Excellent info - thanks once again!  I'll see how do on the Thursday
night rides before committing (even mentally) to the Tuesday nights,
but yea it seems to be a great training opportunity that doesn't make
sense to pass up.  Definite kudos to you and Aaron.

I understand your sentiment about racing, but I can't ignore the
desire to test myself.  I also find the training strangely enjoyable,
and knowing I have upcoming races helps me train that much harder.
I've got my first race ever this Sunday at Bethel (crit series);
weather's not looking too good though.. :/

thanks again,
Josh

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM, brucekwells <bkwells@...> wrote:
> Josh,
>
> If you live and work in WP, then you are REQUIRED to do Thursday night
> and encouraged to do Tuesday as well. Actually I would do both
> Tuesday and Thursday at the start of the season just to get in shape
> as fast as possible.
>
> The Tuesday/Thursday night rides are really just local training rides.
> I started riding them 10 or so years ago and saw an immediate
> improvement to my fitness level. About 5 years ago the rides died and
> it was just Aaron and I doing them. At this point I started listing
> them as club rides to get the ridership up, and that helped, but last
> year, the riders came back to Tuesday, and it is once again a large
> pack ride. So the answer to your question about A riders is there are
> not many "WCC A" riders on these rides, but rather all the local
> riders, most of whom race.
>
> Most of the WCC A riders I know (myself included), do not race, as for
> me, the upside (winning a metal) is not worth the down side (serious
> injury). Not so say all that racing offers is metals, but it is also
> a serious time commitment and lots of travel (few local races), so I
> don't bother. For me, staying with guys 1/2 my age is victory enough.
> Being the first over Rt 22, inflicting pain on the flats, and
> finishing with the pack at the end is a huge victory for me.
>
> Bruce
>
> --- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@...> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce,
>> Thanks for the advice. I have no problem working hard. After losing
>> a lot of strength last year due to "life", i've been training hard for
>> a few months, and a few weeks ago I tested myself on the gimbels ride
>> (was able to hang on, barely, by a thread). I hope to make the
>> Thursday night rides a regular part of my training - I live and work
>> in White Plains, so there's really no excuse :D
>>
>> I know USI is the 'racing' club, comparatively, so maybe this is out
>> of place here - but do a number of the A riders on the Tues/Thurs
>> rides also race?
>>
>
>

Josh,

If you live and work in WP, then you are REQUIRED to do Thursday night
and encouraged to do Tuesday as well.  Actually I would do both
Tuesday and Thursday at the start of the season just to get in shape
as fast as possible.

The Tuesday/Thursday night rides are really just local training rides.
I started riding them 10 or so years ago and saw an immediate
improvement to my fitness level.  About 5 years ago the rides died and
it was just Aaron and I doing them.  At this point I started listing
them as club rides to get the ridership up, and that helped, but last
year, the riders came back to Tuesday, and it is once again a large
pack ride.  So the answer to your question about A riders is there are
not many "WCC A" riders on these rides, but rather all the local
riders, most of whom race.

Most of the WCC A riders I know (myself included), do not race, as for
me, the upside (winning a metal) is not worth the down side (serious
injury).  Not so say all that racing offers is metals, but it is also
a serious time commitment and lots of travel (few local races), so I
don't bother. For me, staying with guys 1/2 my age is victory enough.
  Being the first over Rt 22, inflicting pain on the flats, and
finishing with the pack at the end is a huge victory for me.

Bruce

--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
> Thanks for the advice.  I have no problem working hard.  After losing
> a lot of strength last year due to "life", i've been training hard for
> a few months, and a few weeks ago I tested myself on the gimbels ride
> (was able to hang on, barely, by a thread).  I hope to make the
> Thursday night rides a regular part of my training - I live and work
> in White Plains, so there's really no excuse :D
>
> I know USI is the 'racing' club, comparatively, so maybe this is out
> of place here - but do a number of the A riders on the Tues/Thurs
> rides also race?
>

Bruce,
Thanks for the advice.  I have no problem working hard.  After losing
a lot of strength last year due to "life", i've been training hard for
a few months, and a few weeks ago I tested myself on the gimbels ride
(was able to hang on, barely, by a thread).  I hope to make the
Thursday night rides a regular part of my training - I live and work
in White Plains, so there's really no excuse :D

I know USI is the 'racing' club, comparatively, so maybe this is out
of place here - but do a number of the A riders on the Tues/Thurs
rides also race?

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:30 PM, brucekwells <bkwells@...> wrote:
> Josh,
>
> The clue to staying with the Thursday ride is to come out on EVERY
> ride and work as hard as you can to stay on. Whippoorwill is a bitch,
> but is not the hardest climb on the route (I consider that climbs on
> Rt 22). Whippoorwill has the steepest section, plus it follows a
> gradually increasing pitch on the way. Short, but tough. The rest of
> Whippoorwill is easier. As the days get longer, we go longer and harder.
>
> Tuesday / Thursday night rides require a special type of rider.
> Someone who wants to improve their fitness, someone who will fight,
> and someone who is not easily discouraged. If you don't possess these
> properties, then don't bother showing up, you will just get
> discouraged and leave. But if you do, I can not recommend these rides
> enough. Just ask anyone who rides them on a regular basis. James is
> a prime example. He improved a lot on this ride, and he did not show
> up all the time (note to James, keep not showing up all the time, I
> don't want you to get better than me;-). Aaron is another rider who
> really improved on this ride, and guess what, it is a rare ride that
> Aaron is not there.
>
> I list these rides with the club because I think many club members
> would benefit from doing them, but they take someone with a steeled
> determination to come out every week. Riders that ride every week get
> better, those that don't, get dropped after a while.
>
> You will become faster and stronger if you show up every week.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bruce
>
> --- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@...> wrote:
>>
>> Looking at the shortest route, whippoorwill seems to be the longest
>> climb; the rest is rollers. So us slower riders are good at least
>> until the days get longer :)
>>
>
>

I couldn't agree more with Bruce. These rides are incredible and I
love the Tuesday one. On the one hand you need to kick yourself hard
to keep up, but then on the other don't overdo it at the beginning
because you will die on Rt 22 ... but you would never ever kick
yourself so much were you riding on a "normal" ride.

And btw - half (the other half) of the guys there shave their legs ...
so one knows what they are up to ...

Hagen


--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, "brucekwells" <bkwells@...> wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
> The clue to staying with the Thursday ride is to come out on EVERY
> ride and work as hard as you can to stay on.  Whippoorwill is a bitch,
> but is not the hardest climb on the route (I consider that climbs on
> Rt 22).  Whippoorwill has the steepest section, plus it follows a
> gradually increasing pitch on the way.  Short, but tough.  The rest of
> Whippoorwill is easier.  As the days get longer, we go longer and
harder.
>
> Tuesday / Thursday night rides require a special type of rider.
> Someone who wants to improve their fitness, someone who will fight,
> and someone who is not easily discouraged.  If you don't possess these
> properties, then don't bother showing up, you will just get
> discouraged and leave.  But if you do, I can not recommend these rides
> enough.  Just ask anyone who rides them on a regular basis.  James is
> a prime example.  He improved a lot on this ride, and he did not show
> up all the time (note to James, keep not showing up all the time, I
> don't want you to get better than me;-). Aaron is another rider who
> really improved on this ride, and guess what, it is a rare ride that
> Aaron is not there.
>
> I list these rides with the club because I think many club members
> would benefit from doing them, but they take someone with a steeled
> determination to come out every week.  Riders that ride every week get
> better, those that don't, get dropped after a while.
>
> You will become faster and stronger if you show up every week.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bruce
>
> --- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@> wrote:
> >
> > Looking at the shortest route, whippoorwill seems to be the longest
> > climb; the rest is rollers.  So us slower riders are good at least
> > until the days get longer :)
> >
>

Dave,

What the club (and Westchester cyclists) need in general is a
Wednesday night group ride that works on pace line skills, group
riding skills and such. It would also be done at more of a B+/A pace.
  This way there is a "graduation" from the flings and normal B+ pace
to the Thursday night ride which is more A+ and then of course
Tuesday, which is race pace.

Right now there is no easy way of stepping up to the Thursday night
ride.  Group training rides are different than normal WCC rides, in
that the group has it's own pace and you have to keep up or you get
dropped.  It is not like a WCC ride, in that you can generally get
back on at some point.  Once you fall off Tuesday/Thursday, it's over.

This ride would take a special kind of leader, someone with
experience, but who does not want to ride that hard.  Maybe I do it
when I can't keep up on Tuesday night anymore.

Bruce

--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, davidmckaywilson@... wrote:
>
> Perhaps a group of B riders can come out on these rides and form a
slower
> group.. I know I was dropped unceremoniously on Whipporwill a year
or two
> ago.....
>
> david
>

Josh,

The clue to staying with the Thursday ride is to come out on EVERY
ride and work as hard as you can to stay on.  Whippoorwill is a bitch,
but is not the hardest climb on the route (I consider that climbs on
Rt 22).  Whippoorwill has the steepest section, plus it follows a
gradually increasing pitch on the way.  Short, but tough.  The rest of
Whippoorwill is easier.  As the days get longer, we go longer and harder.

Tuesday / Thursday night rides require a special type of rider.
Someone who wants to improve their fitness, someone who will fight,
and someone who is not easily discouraged.  If you don't possess these
properties, then don't bother showing up, you will just get
discouraged and leave.  But if you do, I can not recommend these rides
enough.  Just ask anyone who rides them on a regular basis.  James is
a prime example.  He improved a lot on this ride, and he did not show
up all the time (note to James, keep not showing up all the time, I
don't want you to get better than me;-). Aaron is another rider who
really improved on this ride, and guess what, it is a rare ride that
Aaron is not there.

I list these rides with the club because I think many club members
would benefit from doing them, but they take someone with a steeled
determination to come out every week.  Riders that ride every week get
better, those that don't, get dropped after a while.

You will become faster and stronger if you show up every week.

Hope this helps.

Bruce

--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Josh Salit <jsalit@...> wrote:
>
> Looking at the shortest route, whippoorwill seems to be the longest
> climb; the rest is rollers.  So us slower riders are good at least
> until the days get longer :)
>

Ellen,

I would say if you rate yourself a C+ rider, then no,
Tuesday/Thursdays are not for you.

There are actually 5 good weeknight rides for WCC/USI members in
Westchester

Monday Nights - Recovery ride - Mark Lalloo is the leader. This is a
slow paced pack ride appropriate for anyone that can do a solid 15mph
pace.  I would recommend you try this ride is you want a taste of
Thursday.

Tuesday night training ride.  Balls to the wall.  If you survive to
the end of the mid summer route, then you ROCK!!!, have a beer and
consider yourself a hot shit cyclist ready to take on anything.

Wednesday night Fling from Hickory and Tweed in Armonk (May-Aug) are
flings (multiple levels) so you can pick your group.

Thursday night, not balls to the wall, but hard.  I recommend you are
a STRONG B+ rider before you attempt on of these rides.  We will try
to keep you on the ride if you try your absolute hardest to stay with
us, but back off for a second and you will be dropped by the group.

Friday night fling (May-Aug) like Wed, recommended as well.

Hope you can come out and ride during the week, it is a lot of fun,

Bruce

--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Lombardo <ellen725@...> wrote:
>
> james:
>
> I am not stronc...only I would say a C+.  I am VERY intimated by the
rides after being left behind last year...BAD experience.  Do you
think I will be okay on thursday night to go?
>
>
>

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Looking at the shortest route, whippoorwill seems to be the longest
climb; the rest is rollers.  So us slower riders are good at least
until the days get longer :)

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Hagen <hagen@...> wrote:
> and Whipporwill is only the warm up ;)
>
> --- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, davidmckaywilson@... wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps a group of B riders can come out on these rides and form a
> slower
>> group.. I know I was dropped unceremoniously on Whipporwill a year
> or two
>> ago.....
>>
>> david
>>
>> David McKay Wilson
>> Writer
>> 104 Topland Road
>> Mahopac, NY 10541
>> 914-217-5600
>> DavidMcKayWilson@...
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/25/2009 12:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> Jrather@... writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a great ride... I encourage all of those interested to come
> check it
>> out. You will get much, much stronger if you come consistently and
> there is
>> some very nice scenery as well (there's nothing like crossing the
> Kensico Dam
>> as the sun begins to set). Thursday is significantly easier than
> Tuesday and
>> is where everyone should probably start unless you are very strong
> to begin
>> with.
>>
>> -James
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________
>> To: WCCChat@yahoogroups
>> From: ellen725@...
>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:22:23 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [WCCChat] Tues. + Thurs. night training rides
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thankyou Josh!
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________
>> From: Josh Salit <jsalit@...>
>> To: WCCChat@yahoogroups
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:10:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WCCChat] Tues. + Thurs. night training rides
>>
>> Ellen,
>> The description/ details are in the March newsletter -
>> http://www.westches tercycleclub. org/mywcc/ newsletter. php?year= 0
>>
>> I believe they'll also be posted on the ride schedule, eventually.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Josh
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Ellen Lombardo <ellen725@yahoo.
> com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > Would you please tell me what type of training group on tues &
> thurs nights
>> > is this and where?
>> > Thanks
>> > Ellen
>> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>> > From: Josh Salit <jsalit@gmail. com>
>> > To: wccchat <WCCChat@yahoogroups .com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:25:50 AM
>> > Subject: [WCCChat] Tues. + Thurs. night training rides
>> >
>> > I just read Bruce's article on the Tuesday/Thursday night training
>> > rides. I'm very happy to see the same invitation to the slower groups
>> > that was there last year. I never ventured out to one of these last
>> > year, but I'll be there on March 12th to see what I've got.
>> >
>> > Any other B-range riders planning on trying these A rides for the
> first
>> > time?
>> >
>> > Thanks Bruce.
>> >
>> > later,
>> > Josh
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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something in addition to Bruce's article:

While the group officially starts in White Plains, quite a number of
people, incl. myself, are joining at the corner of Rt. 22&120&Old post
road. The peloton comes by at 6:20/25 pm. But then you won't have much
of a warm up for Whipporwill...


--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, "Full, Kevan" <kevan.full@...> wrote:
>
> Ain't that route mostly down hill 'til then?
>
>
>
> Kevan
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: WCCChat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WCCChat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of davidmckaywilson@...
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:28 PM
> To: WCCChat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WCCChat] Re: Tues. + Thurs. night training rides
>
>
>
> I was doing so well until Whipporwill, feeling like I could keep up with
> those lithe young bucks....
>
>
>
> David McKay Wilson
> Writer
> 104 Topland Road
> Mahopac, NY 10541
> 914-217-5600
> DavidMcKayWilson@...
>
>
>
>
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RBS Sempra Metals and RBS Sempra Energy Europe are businesses of The Royal Bank of Scotland 
plc. Registered in Scotland No 90312. Registered Office: 36 St Andrew Square, Edinburgh EH2 2YB.
The Royal Bank of Scotland plc is authorized and regulated by the Financial Services Authority.

Each of the following companies is a subsidiary of The Royal Bank of Scotland plc:  RBS Sempra 
Energy Europe Limited, registered in England & Wales No. 3704235 registered office 155 
Bishopsgate, London EC2M 3TZ United Kingdom.  RBS Sempra Energy Trading (UK) Limited,
authorized and regulated by the Financial Services Authority, registered in England & Wales
No. 3526627 registered office 155 Bishopsgate, London EC2M 3TZ United Kingdom FSA firm
reference number 188751.  RBS Sempra Energy Trading Holdings Limited, registered in England
& Wales No. 3704239 registered office 155 Bishopsgate, London EC2M 3TZ United Kingdom.
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