My apologies....I know everyone is growing tired of this subject, but I have to
get this off my chest.



Yesterday, five of us club members, as part of our ride, turned off Crow Hill
Road onto Route 100 heading north where we encountered our favorite subject.  We
got tangled up with those strips from the very start because a car was parked on
the shoulder, and like a cork, blocked our access to the shoulder.  Add to it,
an 18 wheeler came up from behind and essentially had to come to a stop to avoid
us and oncoming traffic, and as we grumbled about our situation, the poor driver
of the truck was heard going through his gear changes trying to regain his
speed.  He did not fault us, I think he saw the situation as it was. Instead, he
slowed down and carefully made his way around us. I wish I could say the same
for the pickup truck caught behind him, he didn't comprehend the situation and
instead jumped to conclusions and took a more aggressive stance.  You know the
type, they behave as judge and jury with an "I'll show them who owns the road
attitude.", squeezing us aside.



Eventually all five of us cut through one of the breaks in the strip and were
safely on our way, but not really.  One of the pleasures of that shoulder was
you could ride two abreast, but that little luxury has essentially been taken
away too.  The space is more cramped now.  The pavement around the rumbles is
beginning to crack and blister in places as we all have seen.  The far shoulder
edge is now collecting more and more sand, grit and debris.  I finally decided
to bail from the "safety" zone out into the open road when the last straw came
upon us where just ahead a fallen branch had shattered into a half-dozen pieces
onto the shoulder.  The joy is gone.  That road is no longer any better than any
other road in Westchester.  Look choir...you already know the words to this song
so I'll stop with the woes.



What I want to know, what I want to play out with you is...where do we go from
here?  Let's say the state recognizes their blunder and sends a truck and crew
to the scene and lays a mounded patch of asphalt over the strips, are we going
to be any happier?  I don't think so.  The patch will no doubt be mounded,
imperfect in size and road-feel.  There will be two seams that will want to
catch our tires.  Over time the patch will incur the wrath of high speed traffic
and weather and it too will begin to crack and splinter.  Eventually, we'll be
riding amidst clods of broken asphalt, never having an opportunity to steal a
peek of the water; we will ride keeping a wary eye on the road surface.  Let me
ask: do you expect the DOT to trowel-fill each divot and hermitically seal each
so we can laugh and play without a care?  Come on...everyone knows that any
repair that comes our way is going to be done on the "down and dirty".  This
repair will be treated like a pothole repair and that thin layer of asphalt that
bridges each divot will be the first to crumble as it has the least support.



Alright Kevan...so what should we do?  I suggest we leave things as they stand. 
I think the only true solution here will be the repair of the entire road
surface, across the entire span, edge to edge, not just the strip.  I believe
Mother Nature is on our side and if left alone the roadway is going to fall in
sufficient disrepair that the state will have to address the entire surface for
"safety sake".  My guess is that in two more years the road will be begging for
repair.  The state can then save face and probably better substantiate the
expense as the deteriorating conditions will have a safety concern that extends
beyond us mere cyclists.  So...I figure the best thing to do is continue to
gripe, continue to climb into people's shorts and irritate them, but wait for
the better solution.



Kevan






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Josh,  I appreciate your feedback.  I'm new to this.  I see that there is a
"tool" for adjusting
dish.  My inclination is to discuss it with the shop that sold me the bike and
get their
input.   I haven't noticed any major balance issue, but perhaps the balance
would feel even
better if the axle was centered or "dished" properly.

    Ave

--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Salit" <jsalit@...> wrote:
>
> Ave,
> I was reluctant to reply to your email because I am NOT experienced, but as
> long as I put that out there, maybe a discussion will be productive for
> you...
>
> First, how much is 'just a little'?  Given that the gap is uniform all the
> way around, keep in mind that because you're measuring by flipping the wheel
> over, the gap you're seeing is actually two-times what the error really is.
> The first time I read that in my wheel building book, I had to think about
> it for a minute before it made sense, but it does.
>
> Keep in mind that I'm somewhat paraphrasing a book, but my understanding is
> that the wheel being off-center will adversely affect the bike's balance;
> whether or not it's to a noticeable degree, I wouldn't know how to tell...
>
> Which brings us to fixing it...I'll plead 'fair use' and just quote the
> book  -
> "For centering, ..., always being at the valve stem hole and proceed around
> the wheel so that no spokes are missed or adjusted twice.  Make corrections
> by tightening spokes on the side of the wheel where the axle extends too far
> and by loosening those on the other side. ...If tension already is high
> enough, alternately loosen and tighten opposing spokes to maintain equal
> tension.  Half a turn will be enough for large errors, a quarter turn for
> smaller ones, and for fine adjustments, a quarter turn on one side only, or
> even a quarter turn on every second spoke on one side."
>
> If the gap really is miniscule, I'd try the quarter turn on every second
> spoke on one side, first.  Just keep track of which spokes you adjust
> (attach a little tag of tape or something to each spoke you touch), so if
> you find you need to make bigger adjustments on more spokes, you'll know
> which ones have already gone a quarter turn.
>
> As another reference, park tool gives a good description as usual -
> http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=82
>
> The book I refer to, by the way, is The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst Brandt.  I
> haven't gone through it all, but what I've read so far is concise and very
> informative.  It came well recommended to me, and I'll pass on that
> recommendation...
>
> Let us know how it goes if you decide to play!
>
> Regards,
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Avram Karel <avram53@...> wrote:
>
> >   I'm bumping this topic up to see if anyone can offer advice. Thanks!
> >
> > >
> > > I bought a truing stand, have Mavic Aksium rims, and both wheels are
> > true.
> > > But I noticed that when I turned the front wheel around and checked the
> > centering or
> > dish,
> > > the rim was off by just a little. In other words, I had the feeler gauge
> > up against one
> > side
> > > of the rim, perfectly, then flipped the wheel over and checked again. Now
> > there was a
> > > small gap between the feeler and the rim, all the way around as I turned
> > the wheel.
> > (Each
> > > time I made sure the hub was snug and securely tightened)
> > >
> > > The stand has a gauge to determine if the dish of the wheel is centered,
> > but I preferred
> > to
> > > just flip the wheel over and check it that way.
> > >
> > > a. Is this something I can live with? It has probably been this way since
> > I bought the
> > bike
> > > in January.
> > >
> > > b. Should I readjust all spokes to center rim and hub? (And does someone
> > have
> > > experience and willingness to talk to me?)
> > >
> > > c. What are the problems a rider would experience if the dish or
> > centering of the hub
> > was
> > > off?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Ave
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

I'm bumping this topic up to see if anyone can offer advice.  Thanks!
>
> I bought a truing stand, have Mavic Aksium rims, and both wheels are true.
> But I noticed that when I turned the front wheel around and checked the
centering or
dish,
> the rim was off by just a little.  In other words, I had the feeler gauge up
against one
side
> of the rim, perfectly, then flipped the wheel over and checked again.  Now
there was a
> small gap between the feeler and the rim, all the way around as I turned the
wheel.
(Each
> time I made sure the hub was snug and securely tightened)
>
> The stand has a gauge to determine if the dish of the wheel is centered, but I
preferred
to
> just flip the wheel over and check it that way.
>
> a.  Is this something I can live with?   It has probably been this way since I
bought the
bike
> in January.
>
> b. Should I readjust all spokes to center rim and hub?  (And does someone have
> experience and willingness to talk to me?)
>
> c.  What are the problems a rider would experience if the dish or centering of
the hub
was
> off?
>
> Many thanks,
> Ave
>

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I think that all the video critics might all want to take a step back here and thank Kas for the work he did for the club. He was a club volunteer who put in a lot of time on this project. He was the only club member to step forward to volunteer to video the event. So would really appreciate a round of applause for Kas.

I really appreciate his work. We do have another segment that's too long for youtube and has to be edited.

News12 is doing a story this week. would love a bunch of cyclists there at 10 on wednesday for that shoot. We will have there nypd sgt rich will, who went down on the strips in june, kncoked out two of his teeth, has spent $5000 in medical bills and is suing the state.

- dave

David McKay Wilson
104 Topland Rd.
Mahopac, NY 10541
914-217-5600 (cell)
davidmckaywilson@aol.com

---

From: Susan <susan@aspiring-arts.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:48:08 -0400
To: <WCCChat@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [WCCChat] Re: Rumble Strips on YouTube

Well said, Bruce. I agree with your outline.

Susan

On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:08 PM, brucekwells wrote:

> Moved over from the Rides group:
>
> I think it is a bad video for our cause. It shows that rumble strips
> can be ridden over. I would take it down immediately. The voice over
> does not work either.
>
> Here is what I would do: (I also produce video and would be willing
> to help)
>
> 1. You need to set up the scene. This should be done with a face
> shoot of the narrator (Dave Wilson in this case). Explain the
> problem, great cycling road, safe road, marred by rumble strips, and
> now dangerous.
>
> 2. Do a Point of View shot from the handle bars or better yet, helmet
> view of a rider going over the strips.
>
> 3. Mix it up with shots of groups of cyclists.
>
> 4. Explain the car parked on the side issue where you have to pull
> out over the rumble strip into traffic.
>
> 5. Shorten it up. 2 minutes would be too much.
>
> 6. Interviews with other riders cut in.
>
> 7. Explain the logic behind the rumble strips (that it does not make
> sense).
>
> 8. Explain how to help, web site for more info, who to write to.
>
> You really need to tell the story of every day people who used to
> enjoy a road and how the government screwed it up and is now against
> their constituents.
>
> Let me know if you need any help.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I like the article, except for the suggestion on no parking. great word choices:
pleasant to perilous
gouged into the pavement
jolt over the strips

Is there any where for the DOT to continue North and then do a turn around so as
not to
even have to make a left off of 100? It seems like the left turns are the
problem.

David McKay Wilson
104 Topland Rd.
Mahopac, NY 10541
914-217-5600 (cell)
davidmckaywilson@...

David McKay Wilson
104 Topland Rd.
Mahopac, NY 10541
914-217-5600 (cell)
davidmckaywilson@...

What do you think of
her ending, where someone suggests banning parking along the road?

Noreen O'Donnell wrote a column on the rumble strips. You can read it
at http://www.lohud.com/article/20081025/COLUMNIST/810250374/1265/COLUMNI
ST25

You can also comment at the bottom of the story. What do you think of
her ending, where someone suggests banning parking along the road?

dave

I'm not sure about the parking -- I've ridden quite a bit in that
area, but always riding up from Westchester.  I would mention though
that I find 311 in that region to be an inauspicious place to ride.
There is a narrow shoulder, fast and abundant traffic and a lot of
trucks.  Try to stick to the side roads around there if possible.

--Bo


--- In WCCChat@yahoogroups.com, "T. Nee" <nee.t@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking for a closer place to re-stage some of the hillcimbing
> routes I lead a few years ago.
>
> I see on Google maps a parking area at the intersection of 311 and
> county rte 43 (Ludingtonville rd).  Anyone know if this is a public
> parking area, like a Park n Ride?  If so, it has good access from I-84.
>

Dave-

You are right.  A big thanks to Kas for putting this together.  I think
there were a lot of good suggestions for a follow up video if someone is
up to it.

Eric

David McKay Wilson wrote:
>
> I think that all the video critics might all want to take a step back
> here and thank Kas for the work he did for the club. He was a club
> volunteer who put in a lot of time on this project. He was the only
> club member to step forward to volunteer to video the event. So would
> really appreciate a round of applause for Kas.
>
> I really appreciate his work. We do have another segment that's too
> long for youtube and has to be edited.
>
> News12 is doing a story this week. would love a bunch of cyclists
> there at 10 on wednesday for that shoot. We will have there nypd sgt
> rich will, who went down on the strips in june, kncoked out two of his
> teeth, has spent $5000 in medical bills and is suing the state.
>
> - dave
>
> David McKay Wilson
> 104 Topland Rd.
> Mahopac, NY 10541
> 914-217-5600 (cell)
> davidmckaywilson@...
>
> .
>
>

David McKay Wilson
104 Topland Rd.
Mahopac, NY 10541
914-217-5600 (cell)
davidmckaywilson@...

When I view the thread on the yahoo groups page:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/WCCRides/message/6928

and read the messages in this topic in sequence, I see it as starting
with praise for the video, then moving to a set of questions about
the effectiveness of showing the rider on the rumble strips, followed
by a discussion (constructive) about how to improve its
effectiveness, including various offers of help to make it happen. I
saw no "slamming without a word of praise." I'm sorry if he took it
that way, but as an observer, I just see an evolving discussion.

Susan

On Oct 26, 2008, at 10:26 PM, David McKay Wilson wrote:

> Well, you might be thinking that you appreciate kas' work, but you
> might want to convey that to kas as well. He put a lot of effort
> into the piece. It's his first volunteer effort for the club and
> everyone is slamming his work without a word of praise.
>
> - dave
> David McKay Wilson
> 104 Topland Rd.
> Mahopac, NY 10541
> 914-217-5600 (cell)
> davidmckaywilson@...
>
>

David McKay Wilson
104 Topland Rd.
Mahopac, NY 10541
914-217-5600 (cell)
davidmckaywilson@...

David McKay Wilson
104 Topland Rd.
Mahopac, NY 10541
914-217-5600 (cell)
davidmckaywilson@...

Moved over from the Rides group:

I think it is a bad video for our cause. It shows that rumble strips
can be ridden over. I would take it down immediately. The voice over
does not work either.

Here is what I would do: (I also produce video and would be willing
to help)

1. You need to set up the scene. This should be done with a face
shoot of the narrator (Dave Wilson in this case). Explain the
problem, great cycling road, safe road, marred by rumble strips, and
now dangerous.

2. Do a Point of View shot from the handle bars or better yet, helmet
view of a rider going over the strips.

3. Mix it up with shots of groups of cyclists.

4. Explain the car parked on the side issue where you have to pull
out over the rumble strip into traffic.

5. Shorten it up. 2 minutes would be too much.

6. Interviews with other riders cut in.

7. Explain the logic behind the rumble strips (that it does not make
sense).

8. Explain how to help, web site for more info, who to write to.

You really need to tell the story of every day people who used to
enjoy a road and how the government screwed it up and is now against
their constituents.

Let me know if you need any help.

Bruce

Well said, Bruce. I agree with your outline.

Susan

On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:08 PM, brucekwells wrote:

> Moved over from the Rides group:
>
> I think it is a bad video for our cause.  It shows that rumble strips
> can be ridden over.  I would take it down immediately.  The voice over
> does not work either.
>
> Here is what I would do:  (I also produce video and would be willing
> to help)
>
> 1.  You need to set up the scene.  This should be done with a face
> shoot of the narrator (Dave Wilson in this case).  Explain the
> problem, great cycling road, safe road, marred by rumble strips, and
> now dangerous.
>
> 2.  Do a Point of View shot from the handle bars or better yet, helmet
> view of a rider going over the strips.
>
> 3.  Mix it up with shots of groups of cyclists.
>
> 4.  Explain the car parked on the side issue where you have to pull
> out over the rumble strip into traffic.
>
> 5.  Shorten it up.  2 minutes would be too much.
>
> 6.  Interviews with other riders cut in.
>
> 7.  Explain the logic behind the rumble strips (that it does not make
> sense).
>
> 8.  Explain how to help, web site for more info, who to write to.
>
> You really need to tell the story of every day people who used to
> enjoy a road and how the government screwed it up and is now against
> their constituents.
>
> Let me know if you need any help.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Moved over from the Rides group:

I think it is a bad video for our cause.  It shows that rumble strips
can be ridden over.  I would take it down immediately.  The voice over
does not work either.

Here is what I would do:  (I also produce video and would be willing
to help)

1.  You need to set up the scene.  This should be done with a face
shoot of the narrator (Dave Wilson in this case).  Explain the
problem, great cycling road, safe road, marred by rumble strips, and
now dangerous.

2.  Do a Point of View shot from the handle bars or better yet, helmet
view of a rider going over the strips.

3.  Mix it up with shots of groups of cyclists.

4.  Explain the car parked on the side issue where you have to pull
out over the rumble strip into traffic.

5.  Shorten it up.  2 minutes would be too much.

6.  Interviews with other riders cut in.

7.  Explain the logic behind the rumble strips (that it does not make
sense).

8.  Explain how to help, web site for more info, who to write to.

You really need to tell the story of every day people who used to
enjoy a road and how the government screwed it up and is now against
their constituents.

Let me know if you need any help.

Bruce

David McKay Wilson
104 Topland Rd.
Mahopac, NY 10541
914-217-5600 (cell)
davidmckaywilson@...

We were thinking it would be fun to get together to celebrate another season, network and plan for the next season- or just eat and drink and relax.  We did a little research (which involved some free food and beverages- I know, it was a sacrifice but one we were willing to make for our buddies) and found Mighty Joe Young's in White Plains.  It's a fun bar with good food, centrally located.  If we collect $20 per person we can get appetizers/finger food to share. Everyone would be responsible for their own drinks.  What do you think?  We are open to suggestions and feedback. Also, feel free to forward to your athletic friends.

Who: Triathletes, triathlete wannabes, people who like to hang out with triathletes
When: Thursday, December 4th- 7:00
Where: Mighty Joe Young's- 610 Hartsdale Ave. White Plains
RSVP Eve Hartman vehartman@yahoo.com or me, Kate Marshall kttrue@gmail.com