-------------- Original message from "Daniel Norton" <danorton@...>: --------------

And when I write "go it alone," I don't mean without our moral support or support in training, I mean working the race independently of any squad that might happen to develop.

I think we're all part of this club to provide support to and receive support from each other, so in that sense we're never going it alone. :-)

--
Daniel

On 2/28/07, Daniel Norton < danorton@...> wrote:

[ off-list -- DN ]

Hey, I'm all for having fun and if Robert or anyone else will have more fun going it alone, I don't think any of us would fault you for it.  Working as a squad is just another way of having fun.  In practical terms, I doubt it will matter for this race, but it very well could next year when we're all Cat 3s and have developed along with each other. ;-)

As Stanton mentioned in an earlier E-mail, another way of having fun is by studying the competition before the race, during the race and between stages.  I'm putting together a list of the Fayetteville 35+ Cat 3/4 preregistrants with a brief index of their skills.  Again, it might not help much for this race, but as we learn w ho they are over the next couple of years, we'll be developing a deeper understanding of the sport.  Again, right now it's mostly about practice.

--
Daniel

"Robert drafts Frank, Frank pulls off, Robert sprints
 to victory and the rest of us go puke"

 

Tom, you've really got a way with words...

--
Regards,

Stanton

-------------- Original message from rdole@texas.net: --------------

Hi, all,
What about racing, seeing whose doing best, and taking it from there. My
concern about getting in over our heads with strategy is that we'll miss out
on having fun. That's why I'm doing all this: fun.

Best,
Robert

Quoting TOM HALL <tomhallconstruct@sbcglobal.net>:

> Daniel, I am absolutely not the voice of experience, but here are my
> thoughts.
> I'm going to guess that Robert is the strongest of the four Velocity
> riders going to Fayettville. Barring accidents and equipment failures,
> Robert should beat the rest of us in a head-to-head race. So rather than
> our working independently agaiinst each other, let's start out with the
> idea that we are riding in support of Robert, trying to help him conserve
> his energy whenever possible. That means that we are looking for a good
> position near (but not on) the fron t of the pack and making sure he has one
> of us to draft off of, and also making sure we don't get trapped in the
> pack at a crucial time. If you've watched overhead shots of the Tour de
> France, you've seen how riders are constantly moving up to the front of the
> peloton along the outsides, pushing the leaders towards the rear. Four of
> us riding together can have a presence that makes us a little less
> vulnerable, and also gives us the horsepower we need to re-establish our
> position without Robert's having to do
> the work himself. We take turns at the front of our group as determined
> by how we are handling the pace and terrain, but Robert sits on (in?).
>
> If there's a breakaway that we want to chase (let's say 4 or more riders
> or 2 riders that are known to be very strong) then either our lead man at
> the time or our designated fast guy (maybe that's you) starts the chase and
> the rest of us draft. if necessary, we do the team time trial thing up to
> the break, but it's likely that if we go, the rest of the bunch will go
> too, we we'll be dragging the whole bunch up to the break. Still, if we
> work together, no one will have killed themselves getting up to the break.
>
>
> If we're all together at the finish, then we move to the front (sounds
> easy, doesn't it), with Robert at the back and the next strongest guy
> (probably Frank) just in front of him. Whenever it seems right, Frank
> leads out the sprint, Robert drafts Franks, Frank pulls off, Robert sprints
> to victory and the rest of us go puke.
>
> Robert's role in all of this is to direct the rest of us, trust that we
> can actually help and then take advantage of that help, and ride away from
> us if we can't help. Those of us left behind re-group and continue
> working together, because you never know what will happen.
>
> Gerry, what do you think of all this?
> Tom
>
> stgetr@... wrote:
>
> Your strategy changes as your fitness/relative competitiveness increases.
> As a newby, the big goal is not to be dropped. That means staying in the
> front 1/2 of the pack as much as possible (at least don't drift so far back
> that you get caught in the yo-yo effect, as you articulately described it
> in an earlier post). To do that, you watch for surges, and watch the other
> riders in the pack so you get to know who is generally strong enough to
> stick, and who is likely to drop off and gap you off if you happen to be
> behind them. Knowing your competition is a big part of strategy: who is
> steady, who is squirrely and dangerous, who will surge off the front and
> then burn out.
>
> So rule number 1: know the competition. You can d o a lot of that by
> being observant in the course of one race; in the long haul, you have to be
> observant and remember who did what in prior races.
>
> Rule number 2: never get to the front and pull unless there is something
> to gain: initiating a break or helping one stay away. Or dropping a
> dangerous rider who seems to be struggling and who is drifting back. Or
> breaking up the pack if there seems to be a weakening in the middle (but
> only if you feel strong enough to go with the resulting fast group). As
> Tom Hall says, never catch anything unless you are strong enough to kill
> and eat it...
>
> How's that for a start?
> --
> Regards,
>
> Stanton
>
> -------------- Original message from "Daniel Norton"
> <danorton@gmail.com>: --------------
>
> On 2/26/07, stgetr@... <stgetr@...> wrote:
> > Bicycle racing is really very much a poker game on wheels. The name
> > of the game is to make the other guys run out of money (energy) before
> > you do. Stage racing and teammates change the poker game to a chess
> > game.
>
> So is it even possible to practice strategy in a 35+ Cat 4 race? How do
> you practice & prepare? (Don't divulge too many secrets, keeping in mind
> that this is a public forum ;-) ) This is all going to be moot for me
> until I can actually keep up with the pack, but once there, I'd think
> maneuvering skills are key and knowing how to push and drag the pack. Do
> you pull to your limit every once in a while, making the pack think that
> they can't keep up with you? (I imagine you would then tuck behind a
> teammat e to recover.) My sense of my own capacity is that I'll make a
> better sprinter than a climber. How do strategies work with the specific
> skills of the various team members?
>
> --
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Check out my blog:
http://robert-cycling.blogspot.com/

-------------- Original message from rdole@...: --------------

Hi, all,
What about racing, seeing whose doing best, and taking it from there. My
concern about getting in over our heads with strategy is that we'll miss out
on having fun. That's why I'm doing all this: fun.

Best,
Robert

Quoting TOM HALL <tomhallconstruct@sbcglobal.net>:

> Daniel, I am absolutely not the voice of experience, but here are my
> thoughts.
> I'm going to guess that Robert is the strongest of the four Velocity
> riders going to Fayettville. Barring accidents and equipment failures,
> Robert should beat the rest of us in a head-to-head race. So rather than
> our working independently agaiinst each other, let's start out with the
> idea that we are riding in support of Robert, trying to help him conserve
> his energy whenever possible. That means that we are looking for a good
> position near (but not on) the fron t of the pack and making sure he has one
> of us to draft off of, and also making sure we don't get trapped in the
> pack at a crucial time. If you've watched overhead shots of the Tour de
> France, you've seen how riders are constantly moving up to the front of the
> peloton along the outsides, pushing the leaders towards the rear. Four of
> us riding together can have a presence that makes us a little less
> vulnerable, and also gives us the horsepower we need to re-establish our
> position without Robert's having to do
> the work himself. We take turns at the front of our group as determined
> by how we are handling the pace and terrain, but Robert sits on (in?).
>
> If there's a breakaway that we want to chase (let's say 4 or more riders
> or 2 riders that are known to be very strong) then either our lead man at
> the time or our designated fast guy (maybe that's you) starts the chase and
> the rest of us draft. if necessary, we do the team time trial thing up to
> the break, but it's likely that if we go, the rest of the bunch will go
> too, we we'll be dragging the whole bunch up to the break. Still, if we
> work together, no one will have killed themselves getting up to the break.
>
>
> If we're all together at the finish, then we move to the front (sounds
> easy, doesn't it), with Robert at the back and the next strongest guy
> (probably Frank) just in front of him. Whenever it seems right, Frank
> leads out the sprint, Robert drafts Franks, Frank pulls off, Robert sprints
> to victory and the rest of us go puke.
>
> Robert's role in all of this is to direct the rest of us, trust that we
> can actually help and then take advantage of that help, and ride away from
> us if we can't help. Those of us left behind re-group and continue
> working together, because you never know what will happen.
>
> Gerry, what do you think of all this?
> Tom
>
> stgetr@... wrote:
>
> Your strategy changes as your fitness/relative competitiveness increases.
> As a newby, the big goal is not to be dropped. That means staying in the
> front 1/2 of the pack as much as possible (at least don't drift so far back
> that you get caught in the yo-yo effect, as you articulately described it
> in an earlier post). To do that, you watch for surges, and watch the other
> riders in the pack so you get to know who is generally strong enough to
> stick, and who is likely to drop off and gap you off if you happen to be
> behind them. Knowing your competition is a big part of strategy: who is
> steady, who is squirrely and dangerous, who will surge off the front and
> then burn out.
>
> So rule number 1: know the competition. You can d o a lot of that by
> being observant in the course of one race; in the long haul, you have to be
> observant and remember who did what in prior races.
>
> Rule number 2: never get to the front and pull unless there is something
> to gain: initiating a break or helping one stay away. Or dropping a
> dangerous rider who seems to be struggling and who is drifting back. Or
> breaking up the pack if there seems to be a weakening in the middle (but
> only if you feel strong enough to go with the resulting fast group). As
> Tom Hall says, never catch anything unless you are strong enough to kill
> and eat it...
>
> How's that for a start?
> --
> Regards,
>
> Stanton
>
> -------------- Original message from "Daniel Norton"
> <danorton@gmail.com>: --------------
>
> On 2/26/07, stgetr@... <stgetr@...> wrote:
> > Bicycle racing is really very much a poker game on wheels. The name
> > of the game is to make the other guys run out of money (energy) before
> > you do. Stage racing and teammates change the poker game to a chess
> > game.
>
> So is it even possible to practice strategy in a 35+ Cat 4 race? How do
> you practice & prepare? (Don't divulge too many secrets, keeping in mind
> that this is a public forum ;-) ) This is all going to be moot for me
> until I can actually keep up with the pack, but once there, I'd think
> maneuvering skills are key and knowing how to push and drag the pack. Do
> you pull to your limit every once in a while, making the pack think that
> they can't keep up with you? (I imagine you would then tuck behind a
> teammat e to recover.) My sense of my own capacity is that I'll make a
> better sprinter than a climber. How do strategies work with the specific
> skills of the various team members?
>
> --
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Check out my blog:
http://robert-cycling.blogspot.com/

Hi, all,
What about racing, seeing whose doing best, and taking it from there. My
concern about getting in over our heads with strategy is that we'll miss out
on having fun.  That's why I'm doing all this: fun.

Best,
Robert



Quoting TOM HALL <tomhallconstruct@...>:

> Daniel, I am absolutely not the voice of experience, but here are my
> thoughts.
>   I'm going to guess that Robert is the strongest of the four Velocity
> riders going to Fayettville.  Barring accidents and equipment failures,
> Robert should beat the rest of us in a head-to-head race. So rather than
> our working independently agaiinst each other, let's start out with the
> idea that we are riding in support of Robert, trying to help him conserve
> his energy whenever possible.   That means that we are looking for a good
> position near (but not on) the front of the pack and making sure he has one
> of us to draft off of, and also making sure we don't get trapped in the
> pack at a crucial time.  If you've watched overhead shots of the Tour de
> France, you've seen how riders are constantly moving up to the front of the
> peloton along the outsides, pushing the leaders towards the rear.  Four of
> us riding together can have a presence that makes us a little less
> vulnerable, and also gives us the horsepower we need to re-establish our
> position without Robert's having to do
>  the work himself.   We take turns at the front of our group as determined
> by how we are handling the pace and terrain, but Robert sits on (in?).
>
>   If there's a breakaway that we want to chase (let's say 4 or more riders
> or 2 riders that are known to be very strong) then either our lead man at
> the time or our designated fast guy (maybe that's you) starts the chase and
> the rest of us draft.  if necessary, we do the team time trial thing up to
> the break, but it's likely that if we go, the rest of the bunch will go
> too, we we'll be dragging the whole bunch up to the break.  Still, if we
> work together, no one will have killed themselves getting up to the break.
>
>
>   If we're all together at the finish, then we move to the front (sounds
> easy, doesn't it), with Robert at the back and the next strongest guy
> (probably Frank) just in front of him.  Whenever it seems right, Frank
> leads out the sprint, Robert drafts Franks, Frank pulls off, Robert sprints
> to victory and the rest of us go puke.
>
>   Robert's role in all of this is to direct the rest of us, trust that we
> can actually help and then take advantage of that help,  and ride away from
> us if we can't help.   Those of us left behind re-group and continue
> working together, because you never know what will happen.
>
>   Gerry, what do you think of all this?
>   Tom
>
>   stgetr@... wrote:
>
>   Your strategy changes as your fitness/relative competitiveness increases.
>  As a newby, the big goal is not to be dropped.  That means staying in the
> front 1/2 of the pack as much as possible (at least don't drift so far back
> that you get caught in the yo-yo effect, as you articulately described it
> in an earlier post).  To do that, you watch for surges, and watch the other
> riders in the pack so you get to know who is generally strong enough to
> stick, and who is likely to drop off and gap you off if you happen to be
> behind them.  Knowing your competition is a big part of strategy:  who is
> steady, who is squirrely and dangerous, who will surge off the front and
> then burn out.
>
>   So rule number 1:  know the competition.  You can do a lot of that by
> being observant in the course of one race; in the long haul, you have to be
> observant and remember who did what in prior races.
>
>   Rule number 2: never get to the front and pull unless there is something
> to gain:  initiating a break or helping one stay away.  Or dropping a
> dangerous rider who seems to be struggling and who is drifting back.  Or
> breaking up the pack if there seems to be a weakening in the middle (but
> only if you feel strong enough to go with the resulting fast group).  As
> Tom Hall says, never catch anything unless you are strong enough to kill
> and eat it...
>
>   How's that for a start?
>   --
> Regards,
>
> Stanton
>
>   -------------- Original message from "Daniel Norton"
> <danorton@...>: --------------
>
>     On 2/26/07, stgetr@... <stgetr@...> wrote:
> > Bicycle racing is really very much a poker game on wheels.  The name
> > of the game is to make the other guys run out of money (energy) before
> > you do.  Stage racing and teammates change the poker game to a chess
> > game.
>
> So is it even possible to practice strategy in a 35+ Cat 4 race?  How do
> you practice & prepare?  (Don't divulge too many secrets, keeping in mind
> that this is a public forum ;-) )  This is all going to be moot for me
> until I can actually keep up with the pack, but once there, I'd think
> maneuvering skills are key and knowing how to push and drag the pack.  Do
> you pull to your limit every once in a while, making the pack think that
> they can't keep up with you?  (I imagine you would then tuck behind a
> teammat e to recover.)  My sense of my own capacity is that I'll make a
> better sprinter than a climber.  How do strategies work with the specific
> skills of the various team members?
>
> --
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Check out my blog:
http://robert-cycling.blogspot.com/

Your strategy changes as your fitness/relative competitiveness increases.  As a newby, the big goal is not to be dropped.  That means staying in the front 1/2 of the pack as much as possible (at least don't drift so far back that you get caught in the yo-yo effect, as you articulately described it in an earlier post).  To do that, you watch for surges, and watch the other riders in the pack so you get to know who is generally strong enough to stick, and who is likely to drop off and gap you off if you happen to be behind them.  Knowing your competition is a big part of strategy:  who is steady, who is squirrely and dangerous, who will surge off the front and then burn out.

 

So rule number 1:  know the competition.  You can do a lot of that by being observant in the course of one race; in the long haul, you have to be observant and remember who did what in prior races.

 

Rule number 2: never get to the front and pull unless there is something to gain:  initiating a break or helping one stay away.  Or dropping a dangerous rider who seems to be struggling and who is drifting back.  Or breaking up the pack if there seems to be a weakening in the middle (but only if you feel strong enough to go with the resulting fast group).  As Tom Hall says, never catch anything unless you are strong enough to kill and eat it...

 

How's that for a start?

--
Regards,

Stanton

-------------- Original message from "Daniel Norton" <danorton@gmail.com>: --------------

On 2/26/07, stgetr@... <stgetr@...> wrote:
> Bicycle racing is really very much a poker game on wheels.  The name
> of the game is to make the other guys run out of money (energy) before
> you do.  Stage racing and teammates change the poker game to a chess
> game.  

So is it even possible to practice strategy in a 35+ Cat 4 race?  How do you practice & prepare?  (Don't divulge too many secrets, keeping in mind that this is a public forum ;-) )  This is all going to be moot for me until I can actually keep up with the pack, but once there, I'd think maneuvering skills are key and knowing how to push and drag the pack.  Do you pull to your limit every once in a while, making the pack think that they can't keep up with you?  (I imagine you would then tuck behind a teammat e to recover.)  My sense of my own capacity is that I'll make a better sprinter than a climber.  How do strategies work with the specific skills of the various team members?

--
Daniel

-------------- Original message from "Daniel Norton" <danorton@...>: --------------

On 2/26/07, stgetr@... <stgetr@...> wrote:
> Bicycle racing is really very much a poker game on wheels.  The name
> of the game is to make the other guys run out of money (energy) before
> you do.  Stage racing and teammates change the poker game to a chess
> game.  

So is it even possible to practice strategy in a 35+ Cat 4 race?  How do you practice & prepare?  (Don't divulge too many secrets, keeping in mind that this is a public forum ;-) )  This is all going to be moot for me until I can actually keep up with the pack, but once there, I'd think maneuvering skills are key and knowing how to push and drag the pack.  Do you pull to your limit every once in a while, making the pack think that they can't keep up with you?  (I imagine you would then tuck behind a teammat e to recover.)  My sense of my own capacity is that I'll make a better sprinter than a climber.  How do strategies work with the specific skills of the various team members?

--
Daniel

Hi, all,
The March 12 and May 14th meetings will be at the North REI. The rest wil lbe
at REI Central.
Questions?
Best,
Robert

From: Kurt Hill
Hi Robert,

=20

March 12 and May 14 will have to be at the north store.  Also, Sept 17
is the third Monday and not the second.  Is your meeting on that date?

=20

Thanks,

=20

Kurt

=20

________________________________

From: Robert Dole [mailto:rpdole@...]=20
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:09 AM
To: Kurt Hill
Cc: rdole@...
Subject: Velocity Meetings

=20

Hi, Kurt,

=20

The Velocity Meetings are the 2nd Monday of the month. Downtown is
prefferred but if not available we'll take what we can get up north.
Here's the schedule

=20

March 12

April 9

May 14

June 11

July 9

Aug 13

Sept 17

October 8

Nov 12

December 10

=20

Thanks in advance.=20
.

----- Original Message -----

From: rpdole

To: VelocityCycling@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:55 AM

Subject: [velocity-cycling] Roger Wolf

Hey, Roger,
What's your email address?
Best
RObert

Hey, Roger,
What's your email address?
Best
RObert

Hi, James and all,
Way to go at Walburg. Good job. I realize that it's probably be too late, but
you may consider racing Cat 5 with Frank at Primavera as 45+ may be too
intense a race. I looked at the confirmed rider list, and there's already
some big guns signed up for the race.

I raced 35+ last year both days, and someone walked up to me after both races
and said, "Sir... you dropped something.. right there... it's your ass. Here
you go."

I realized both days that Cat 5 would have been a much more enjoyable race,
and if you race 45+ it will definetly be an education.

This is sooo great that some of us are racing. Way to go guys! Which begs the
question about the ladies in the club......

Best,
RObert


Quoting Gerry King <gerryking@...>:

> James, you da man!  Great result for your first race - you beat everybody
> anywhere close to your age and most of the 20 somethings!  You are ON YOUR
> WAY!!!!!!
>
> Gerry
>
>
> on 2/25/07 9:01 PM, James Maynard at jmaynard2000@... wrote:
>
> > Hi All,  please forgive my naivete`,  but what would
> > be involved with Fayetville?
> > Thanks,
> > James
> >
> >
> > --- Daniel Norton <danorton@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Way to go, James!  That's a great showing.  I think
> >> Frank meant when is your
> >> *next* race.  Are you going to join our 45+ 4/5
> >> squad for Fayetteville?
> >> I'll be doing laps at Lago Vista tomorrow afternoon
> >> starting at 4:30 pm,
> >> hopefully with Frank & Robert.  See the calendar on
> >> the team web site for
> >> more details: www.velocitycycling.org
> >>
> >> On 2/24/07, Frank Irwin <frank.irwin@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   On 2/24/07, James Maynard
> >> <jmaynard2000@...<jmaynard2000%40yahoo.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi All, My first race! It was very much fun!
> >>>
> >>> Way to go, James! When's your first race?
> >>>
> >>> La Primavera is next week. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
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>


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Hi Guys,    Thank you All, great ideas for both races.
Tom, you got it right, I'm doing Primavera and still
considering Fayettville. It's all good.
Thanks again,
James


--- Daniel Norton <danorton@...> wrote:

> Keep in mind that the rear is the hardest place to
> be in the pack, unless
> you're pulling hard at the very front.  A pack
> compresses and stretches in
> length (from hills, turns and the by the
> pacesetters' choice), and this
> "yo-yo" effect is most extreme at the rear.  So in
> order to keep with the
> rear of the pack you're acclerating much more often
> and to a much greater
> degree than the rest of the pack is.  Also, the
> further back you are, the
> more likely you are to get caught up in a crash.
>
> --
> Daniel
>




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Hi All, Thanks again for the very nice feedback.
Please forgive my naivete`, but what would be involved with
Fayetteville?
I decided to do Primavera next Saturday, 45+, since the wife will be
out of town. Any pointers?
Thanks again,
James

James, you da man!  Great result for your first race - you beat everybody
anywhere close to your age and most of the 20 somethings!  You are ON YOUR
WAY!!!!!!

Gerry


on 2/25/07 9:01 PM, James Maynard at jmaynard2000@... wrote:

> Hi All,  please forgive my naivete`,  but what would
> be involved with Fayetville?
> Thanks,
> James
>
>
> --- Daniel Norton <danorton@...> wrote:
>
>> Way to go, James!  That's a great showing.  I think
>> Frank meant when is your
>> *next* race.  Are you going to join our 45+ 4/5
>> squad for Fayetteville?
>> I'll be doing laps at Lago Vista tomorrow afternoon
>> starting at 4:30 pm,
>> hopefully with Frank & Robert.  See the calendar on
>> the team web site for
>> more details: www.velocitycycling.org
>>
>> On 2/24/07, Frank Irwin <frank.irwin@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   On 2/24/07, James Maynard
>> <jmaynard2000@...<jmaynard2000%40yahoo.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All, My first race! It was very much fun!
>>>
>>> Way to go, James! When's your first race?
>>>
>>> La Primavera is next week. :-)
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Hi All, Thanks again for the very nice feedback.
Please forgive my naivete`, but what would be involved with
Fayetteville?
I decided to do Primavera next Saturday, 45+, since the wife will be
out of town. Any pointers?
Thanks again,
James

James

Congratulations, job well done.

I hope you took notes. Now you're an expert. You have to share what you've
learned.

John

>From: James Maynard <jmaynard2000@...>
>Reply-To: VelocityCycling@yahoogroups.com
>To: VelocityCycling@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [velocity-cycling] Walburrrrrg!!!
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:12:12 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi All,      My first race! It was very much fun! As
>it turned out, my group was open Cat5, so the average
>age looked about 30 years old. It was fast! I held the
>lead group for about 6 miles, then dropped to the
>second group. My guesstimate is that I came in about
>18th out of 60ish.  My numbers- avg. speed- 17.7 mph,
>avg. HR 177, and avg. cadence-77(lucky number 7).
>More later when the official results come in.
>Thanks again to everyone for your great support and
>advice!
>James
>
>
>
>--- Daniel Norton <danorton@...> wrote:
>
> > A domestique for your first race.  Awesome!
> >
> > On 2/23/07, James Maynard <jmaynard2000@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >   Thanks guys! I'll let you know how it goes. My
> > > trainer, Rolando Roman, told me this week that he
> > will
> > > ride with me for pointers/support since this is my
> > > first ever. Now I'm really excited.
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Daniel Norton <danorton@...
> > <danorton%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Have a good race, James! I see you're in the Cat
> > 5A
> > > > that rolls at 8:30 am.
> > > > It looks like it will be breezy, but it will
> > really
> > > > start whipping up for
> > > > the later races (27 mph!).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Daniel
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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-------------- Original message from "Daniel Norton" <danorton@...>: --------------

On 2/25/07, James Maynard <jmaynard2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All, please forgive my naivete`, but what would be involved
> with Fayetville?

Fayetteville offers three additional challenges to the normal road race:

1) A more expensive entry fee
2) A long race that takes three stages to complete over two days:
    a) A road race stage
    b) A time trial stage
    c) Another road race stage
   If you fail to complete within 20% of the leader's time in a stage, you are not allowed to race the next stage.
  Your final placing is by your total time of all three stages.  (There are exceptions, so wait for official stage results to know for sure in you own case.)
3) Since it spans two days, you might want to book a hotel instead of commuting each day
    (You might not need the hotel if y ou don't make it to stage 3.)

The above is specifically for Fayetteville. Some stage races include stages with special road surfaces or climbs (e.g. cobblestones or mountain passes) and some might include a criterium stage.

More details in the flyer:

http://www.swcc.cc/fsr/2007_Fayetteville_Flyer.pdf

If you decide to race, you'll also want to review the 19-page "race bible" beforehand:

http://www.swcc .cc/fsr/2007_Fayetteville_Race_Bible.pdf

--
Daniel

On 2/25/07, James Maynard <jmaynard2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All, please forgive my naivete`, but what would
be involved with Fayetville?
Thanks,
James

--- Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com> wrote:

> Way to go, James! That's a great showing. I think
> Frank meant when is your
> *next* race. Are you going to join our 45+ 4/5
> squad for Fayetteville?
> I'll be doing laps at Lago Vista tomorrow afternoon
> starting at 4:30 pm,
> hopefully with Frank & Robert. See the calendar on
> the team web site for
> more details: www.velocitycycling.org
>
> On 2/24/07, Frank Irwin <frank.irwin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/24/07, James Maynard
> <jmaynard2000@yahoo.com<jmaynard2000% 40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All, My first race! It was very much fun!
> >
> > Way to go, James! When's your first race?
> >
> > La Primavera is next week. :-)
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>

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Hi All,  Thanks again for the very nice feedback.
Please forgive my naivete`, but what would be involved with
Fayetteville?
I decided to do Primavera next Saturday, 45+, since the wife will be
out of town. Any pointers?
Thanks again,
James

Hi All,  please forgive my naivete`,  but what would
be involved with Fayetville?
Thanks,
James


--- Daniel Norton <danorton@...> wrote:

> Way to go, James!  That's a great showing.  I think
> Frank meant when is your
> *next* race.  Are you going to join our 45+ 4/5
> squad for Fayetteville?
> I'll be doing laps at Lago Vista tomorrow afternoon
> starting at 4:30 pm,
> hopefully with Frank & Robert.  See the calendar on
> the team web site for
> more details: www.velocitycycling.org
>
> On 2/24/07, Frank Irwin <frank.irwin@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >   On 2/24/07, James Maynard
> <jmaynard2000@...<jmaynard2000%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All, My first race! It was very much fun!
> >
> > Way to go, James! When's your first race?
> >
> > La Primavera is next week. :-)
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>




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I am starting my Wed morning hill repeats again.  Daniel, Robert would love
for you to join me?

Gerry


on 2/23/07 12:53 PM, rdole@... at rdole@... wrote:

> That sounds like fun. Frank and I are talking about riding the course at Lago
> Vista on Sunday. We could ride then. I don't really know how to "ride as a
> squad per se." I can ride after work most days as well. I'm a southerner as
> well. Gerry?
> Best,
> Robert
>
>
> Quoting Daniel Norton <danorton@...>:
>
>> Shall we start getting in some extra time working together as a squad?
>> (Robert, you didn't exactly say you wanted to work with us for this race,
>> which I would understand.)  I can't do tomorrow morning and I'll be at
>> Pace
>> Bend on Sunday, but Saturday afternoon or later Sunday afternoon I can.
>> I'd
>> like to try to get in some weekdays together, too.  I live at S Lamar & W
>> Ben White and my job is at Mo Pac & Barton Skyway.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 2/23/07, rdole@... <rdole@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Tom,
>>> You are more than capable to do the 35+ 4/5. The difference is that the
>>> guys
>>> are aruond my age and equal in race experience. In the 5s you get the
>>> young
>>> guys who are really strong.
>>>
>>> Makes for a mellower race with 35+ 4/5.
>>> Best,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting TOM HALL
>> <tomhallconstruct@...<tomhallconstruct%40sbcglobal.net>
>>>> :
>>>
>>>> Daniel, I'm happy to work with you at Fayettville. I'll be riding cat
>> 5
>>> or
>>>> maybe 35+ 4,5 with Robert. You and I could work for Robert in that one
>>> or
>>>> if we ride together in the cat 5 we could see who's feeling strongest
>>> and
>>>> then the weak one work for him. The 35+ race may just ride away from
>> me,
>>>> so it may make more sene to do the cat 5.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>> Daniel Norton <danorton@... <danorton%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> I'll commit with anyone who will race with me as part a team
>>>> squad. (I'm 49, Cat 5). I won't be ready for The Primavera, but
>> possibly
>>>> for Fayetteville. Definitely by Hammerfest, but I'm already committed
>> to
>>>> the MS150 that weekend.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to review the rules for stage races. They're pretty
>>> tricky
>>>> and some rules might have changed since you last read them:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.usacycling.org/forms/RdTrkCx_rulebook.pdf
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> On 2/22/07, rdole@... <rdole%40texas.net> <
>> rdole@...<rdole%40texas.net>>
>>> wrote: Hi all,
>>>> Here's my Spring Race Calendar:
>>>>
>>>> 3/3/07--La Primavera racing Cat 4
>>>>
>>>> 3/17--Fayetteville Stage Race racing 35+ Cat 4/5
>>>>
>>>> 4/21--Hammerfest racing 35+ Cat 4/5
>>>>
>>>> I have paid my money, and I am registererd for all.
>>>>
>>>> Who will also make the committment?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Check out my blog:
>>> http://robert-cycling.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Thank you Daniel and Frank,  I'd love to join you for
Primavera.  I won't be able to join you this p.m., but
I'll be in touch about Primavera.
Healthy regards,
James


--- Daniel Norton <danorton@...> wrote:

> Way to go, James!  That's a great showing.  I think
> Frank meant when is your
> *next* race.  Are you going to join our 45+ 4/5
> squad for Fayetteville?
> I'll be doing laps at Lago Vista tomorrow afternoon
> starting at 4:30 pm,
> hopefully with Frank & Robert.  See the calendar on
> the team web site for
> more details: www.velocitycycling.org
>
> On 2/24/07, Frank Irwin <frank.irwin@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >   On 2/24/07, James Maynard
> <jmaynard2000@...<jmaynard2000%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All, My first race! It was very much fun!
> >
> > Way to go, James! When's your first race?
> >
> > La Primavera is next week. :-)
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>




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Hi Daniel, Frank,           Thankyou. I'll think about
Primavera; I've aleady got plans this p.m.  Hope you
have a great ride!
James


--- Daniel Norton <danorton@...> wrote:

> Way to go, James!  That's a great showing.  I think
> Frank meant when is your
> *next* race.  Are you going to join our 45+ 4/5
> squad for Fayetteville?
> I'll be doing laps at Lago Vista tomorrow afternoon
> starting at 4:30 pm,
> hopefully with Frank & Robert.  See the calendar on
> the team web site for
> more details: www.velocitycycling.org
>
> On 2/24/07, Frank Irwin <frank.irwin@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >   On 2/24/07, James Maynard
> <jmaynard2000@...<jmaynard2000%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All, My first race! It was very much fun!
> >
> > Way to go, James! When's your first race?
> >
> > La Primavera is next week. :-)
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>




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----- Original Message -----

From: James Maynard

To: VelocityCycling@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:12 PM

Subject: Re: [velocity-cycling] Walburrrrrg!!!

Hi All, My first race! It was very much fun! As
it turned out, my group was open Cat5, so the average
age looked about 30 years old. It was fast! I held the
lead group for about 6 miles, then dropped to the
second group. My guesstimate is that I came in about
18th out of 60ish. My numbers- avg. speed- 17.7 mph,
avg. HR 177, and avg. cadence-77(lucky number 7).
More later when the official results come in.
Thanks again to everyone for your great support and
advice!
James

--- Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com> wrote:

> A domestique for your first race. Awesome!
>
> On 2/23/07, James Maynard <jmaynard2000@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks guys! I'll let you know how it goes. My
> > trainer, Rolando Roman, told me this week that he
> will
> > ride with me for pointers/support since this is my
> > first ever. Now I'm really excited.
> > James
> >
> >
> > --- Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com
> <danorton%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Have a good race, James! I see you're in the Cat
> 5A
> > > that rolls at 8:30 am.
> > > It looks like it will be breezy, but it will
> really
> > > start whipping up for
> > > the later races (27 mph!).
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel
> > >
> >
> >
>
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