Perry, Dom thanks for your comments

Ive pasted in Gary Jackson's comments below (1. Gary, 2. Keith)

Sounds like we need a mix of 11/21 - 1/2 day events with lots of geographies and
venues.

I prefer 11, 1 day as Perry suggests because of convenience, to give you an idea
my co-conspirator Mr Ray Jordan dislikes 11 with a passion and prefers 21.

Seems not to be a definitive answer yet on this one.

rgds

Keith

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Hi Keith



1. The Racketlon events are expensive compared to some sports, but I
think
Racketlon is best compared to racket sports.

2. agreed



1. We both know how much it costs to enter a Table-Tennis Grand Prix (a
small fortune) but the reason for this (I assume) is the high cost of
hiring a Sports Hall for the day. Rackelton of coarse not only needs
to
hire the Sports Hall but the other facilities required to run a
Racketlon event.

2. I only really have a view of what table tennis tournaments cost (I agree
very expensive) which is why I wanted to compare to other
sports........it is done to an extent on cost. So the facilities cost X,
the equipment will cost X, we are likely to get X many entrants so we
should charge X Price. Some tournaments make a small profit, the english
champs did quite well. But others break even (Hampshire) and others make
a loss (English Open). Thats why we need to consider how best to run
things, sponsors of course is the answer, but we have to work with what
we have at the moment also.......



1. This said I would be slightly perturbed if the entry costs increased
further; after travel costs and accommodation costs have been added to
the tally the Rackelton event starts to become a fairly costly affair.

2. Ok.....its whether we could have a license scheme that wouldnt be
expensive but would generate some additional revenue, and the events can
provide additional value.....how to be discussed.............the
equipment discounts with Teesport for example are quite good and might
be something made available to members only.






1. The proposed Training camp sounds like fun, for me cost would be a
greater consideration than the time of year. Regardless of the time
you
hold the camp, some people will be able to make it and some won't, you
can't possibly work around everybody's diary.

2. Ok thanks for the tip



1. I feel the current mix of 2 day events with 1 day events works quite
well. It felt like I was playing a tournament about once a month which
seems to be about optimum; although we seem to have come to a sudden
halt in this last quarter of the year.

2. Is there another time of year, you would recommend to have a gap? The
world tour runs all year round, but I felt like I needed a break, maybe
better in the summer. Only trouble is Redbridge will only let us have
August as they are so busy at other times, or would you prefer all year
round?




1. I'm not sure the licence fee idea is necessary, it will increase the
cost and I'm yet to understand what the purpose of such a scheme is. I
know table tennis and tennis run such schemes but as far as I can tell
it's just another way of fleecing me for yet more money!

2. covered above, one more thing is the amount of work everyone has put in
is sizeable but the account doesnt have anything to show for it. The
English Open eats up any profits the other tournaments make.



1. Are we likely to see more events in the Midlands next year? The
majority
of tournaments are held near the London area, by holding more
tournaments around the UK this would probably result in more people
taking up Racketlon.

2. Im essentially happy to have as many events as possible, but we need
more organisers and venues. If we have the venues and organisers we can
have the events. Whether its 10 a year, 20 or 100 (eventually....!)

-----Original message-----
From: "perrykfung" perrykfung@...
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:01:33 +0200
To: UK_RACKETLON@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UK_RACKETLON] Re: Few Questions for Players - Discussion / Feedback /

> I personally think that 11 up 1 day events are the best, and sometimes
> play 21up 3/4 matches in a day is too much. I know for me 1 day 11up
> events are certainly the most convenient, and with 2 day events unless
> you've been winning on the 1st day there's little incentive to turn up
> on the 2nd day especially if you've only got 1 match to play?
>
> I definitely agree that Sundays are preferable to Saturdays, to be
> honest i'm not sure if you need a license fee I think most people who
> play get hooked by the sport anyway and it's just how much time they
> can afford to give to Racketlon with work and other commitments.
>
> I think winter/spring camp is the best time since I guess the majority
> of the events will be held during the summer months.
>
> Perry
>
>
> --- In UK_RACKETLON@yahoogroups.com, WILLIAM FORD <dayanford@...> wrote:
> >
> > Personally prefer 21 up or maybe 15. I find 11 too short. However,
> it will depend on whether tournament is 1 or 2 days. Sundays is
> preferable to Saturdays if one day only - some people have to work on
> Saturdays or have other commitments!
> >
> > Cost seems ok. It's often dependent on how much we have to pay the
> venue so finding sympathetic venues is key. What about a discount if
> you play a certain number of tournaments during the year? Play 6 get 1
> half price!! Sorry, Keith, don't know if we can afford that.....
> >
> > License not a bad idea. Again gives incentive to play more often.
> And to help that, 1 day tournaments (or doubles on Sat/singles on Sun)
> is probably the way forward for the majority of the tour.
> >
> > We need more venues - if anyone has any good ideas for where a
> tournament can be played - pls advise.
> >
> > Dominique
> >
> >
> > Keith Lesser <keith.lesser@...> wrote:
> > come on guys - I know we do a good job, but this is your
> chance to have your input and shape 2008 and beyond..........!
> >
> > My twopence for what its worth:
> >
> > 1. I prefer 11 up and shorter events (more attractive as only take a
> day rather than a whole weekend)
> > 2. Training Camp I'm up for whenever
> > 3. I'd like to introduce a season license for British Events so that
> once you have played 4 events you get the value of that license back.
> So the season license would cost £10 and a per event license would be
> £2.50. Something along those lines.........
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Keith Lesser" keith.lesser@...
> > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:23:09 +0200
> > To: "UK Racketlon Discussion Group" UK_Racketlon@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [UK_RACKETLON] Few Questions for Players - Discussion /
> Feedback /
> >
> > > Right firstly, Id like to apologise for the "inappropriate" emails
> you may have received from this group.
> > >
> > > Ive changed the membership settings so new members need to be
> approved. So should put a stop to this!
> > >
> > > I've got a few questions for discussions/feedback amongst players:
> > >
> > > 1. Proposed Training Camp for 2008 - Centre Parcs and Norwich
> Sports Village are being tabled as potential venues. Any thoughts on
> dates? Would a summer camp suit, or a spring or winter camp? When
> would be best? Loads of players, loads of practice, winning formula?
> > >
> > > 2. Pricing - Were the 2007 Tournament charges for players good
> value for money / should we charge more/less in 2008 / how does this
> compare to other sports, people participate in? Do you think a
> racketlon membership fee is a good idea and how much should be charged
> for this, what could/should it include? Would a per tournament license
> fee work v a season license fee?
> > >
> > > 3. 11 or 21, structure/categories of events? Hard to have age and
> band as players tend to enter both creating a difficult schedule and
> sometimes too tough on stamina? Whats the optimum - one day 11
> tournaments? Say 8 a year? Two day 21 tournaments, 4 a year? Stick to
> one scoring system? Is 15 ok? Whats best?
> > >
> > > 4. Anything else……..?
> > >
> > > In the interim period between now and January we are identifying
> which of these ideas are best. 2 Main Priorities continue to be the
> set-up of the English Racketlon association (imminent) - a letter of
> approval is with Sports England, Companies House have the
> documentation. And up to date content on racketlon.co.uk - which is
> still being worked on.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > Thks,
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Keith Lesser
> > > UK Tour Director
> > > Mixed Doubles Specialist
> > >
> > > Enter Tournaments Online at: www.activeeurope.com -
> > >
> > > Racketlon: The person with the most points wins!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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