I'm glad everyone has woke up. Maybe with F&M off our televisions we can
concentrate on our racing. I'm from Ireland and love seeing a good champion
come through from either Ireland,Britain or France. We where lucky to have
Giants Causeway and Sinndar last year. What horses do people think can be
champions this year? I think Hemingway from Aidan O'Briens is a real classy
sort.

Regards, Des

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> Subject: [UK_Horse_Racing] Digest Number 64
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> There are 17 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. hello
> From: stemarriott@...
> 2. Re: hello
> From: "Gerald Simpson" <gerald@...>
> 3. Re: Re: hello
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> 4. Re: Re: hello
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> 5. Re: Re: hello
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> 6. Re: Re: hello
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> 7. Re: Re: hello
> From: Carlotta Cooper <eshever@...>
> 8. Re: Daryll Holland
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> 9. Re: Re: Daryll Holland
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> 10. Re: Re: hello
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> 11. Re: Re: hello
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> 12. Re: Re: hello
> From: "Gerald Simpson" <gerald@...>
> 13. Re: Re: Daryll Holland
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> 14. Re Hello
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> 15. Re: Re Hello
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> 16. Kentucky Derby winner
> From: Carlotta Cooper <eshever@...>
> 17. popularity of racing
> From: Carlotta Cooper <eshever@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:05:17 -0000
> From: stemarriott@...
> Subject: hello
>
> Hi Folks,
> As a new member I thought i'd
> introduce myself. My name is Steve
> and I live in Burnley Lancs.
> My favourite Jockey is Kieran
> Fallon who I have followed since
> his days as a bad boy northern
> jockey!. I think KF is a certainty
> to regain his Jockeys championship.
> I also think Richard Hughes is
> riding brilliantly and Eddery looks
> hungry again. The No 1 over sticks
> is definatly Mick Fitz.
> I hope some of you reply as it
> seems to have gone a bit quiet
> here.
> I look forward to hearing from you.
> Cheers
> Steve Marriott
> P.S What do you all think of the
> Daryll Holland affair, how long
> should his ban be.?
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:38:42 -0000
> From: "Gerald Simpson" <gerald@...>
> Subject: Re: hello
>
> Hello there
>
> I think you are flogging a dead horse here;
> this group is totally inactive and suggest
> that you should try some others
>
> 'winners enclosure' might be a good one for you!
>
> regards
>
>
> --- In UK_Horse_Racing@e..., stemarriott@f... wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> > As a new member I thought i'd
> > introduce myself. My name is Steve
> > and I live in Burnley Lancs.
> > My favourite Jockey is Kieran
> > Fallon who I have followed since
> > his days as a bad boy northern
> > jockey!. I think KF is a certainty
> > to regain his Jockeys championship.
> > I also think Richard Hughes is
> > riding brilliantly and Eddery looks
> > hungry again. The No 1 over sticks
> > is definatly Mick Fitz.
> > I hope some of you reply as it
> > seems to have gone a bit quiet
> > here.
> > I look forward to hearing from you.
> > Cheers
> > Steve Marriott
> > P.S What do you all think of the
> > Daryll Holland affair, how long
> > should his ban be.?
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:58:43 GMT
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
>
> Gerald Simpson writes:
>
> > Hello there
> >
> > I think you are flogging a dead horse here;
> > this group is totally inactive and suggest
> > that you should try some others
> >
> > 'winners enclosure' might be a good one for you!
> >
> > regards
> >
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Gerald
> Thanks for the reply, I noticed this group is a bit
> dead, but thought some one new may prompt some activity. There are enough
>
> people members here, if they all want to just lurk and not talk then they
> will
> be pretty bored.
>
> It is a shame because the idea of the group is a good
> one.
>
> Thanks for the tip, I am already a member of WE so if this fails probably
> talk
> to you there.
>
> COME ON PEOPLE TALK, whats the point in being a member
> otherwise.
>
> Cheers
> Steve
> >
> > --- In UK_Horse_Racing@e..., stemarriott@f... wrote:
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > As a new member I thought i'd
> > > introduce myself. My name is Steve
> > > and I live in Burnley Lancs.
> > > My favourite Jockey is Kieran
> > > Fallon who I have followed since
> > > his days as a bad boy northern
> > > jockey!. I think KF is a certainty
> > > to regain his Jockeys championship.
> > > I also think Richard Hughes is
> > > riding brilliantly and Eddery looks
> > > hungry again. The No 1 over sticks
> > > is definatly Mick Fitz.
> > > I hope some of you reply as it
> > > seems to have gone a bit quiet
> > > here.
> > > I look forward to hearing from you.
> > > Cheers
> > > Steve Marriott
> > > P.S What do you all think of the
> > > Daryll Holland affair, how long
> > > should his ban be.?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:04:55 +0100
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
> hi all
>
> from another member who wondered if he was the only person alive on this
> group. nice to hear from others. maybe someone can suggest a topic to chat
> about. how about exchanging views on horse and seeing if between us we can
> take some money off those bookies.
>
> bye for now,
>
> Perry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'steve marriott'
> To: UK_Horse_Racing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK_Horse_Racing] Re: hello
>
>
>
> Gerald Simpson writes:
>
> > Hello there
> >
> > I think you are flogging a dead horse here;
> > this group is totally inactive and suggest
> > that you should try some others
> >
> > 'winners enclosure' might be a good one for you!
> >
> > regards
> >
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Gerald
> Thanks for the reply, I noticed this group is a bit
> dead, but thought some one new may prompt some activity. There are
> enough
> people members here, if they all want to just lurk and not talk then
> they
> will
> be pretty bored.
>
> It is a shame because the idea of the group is a good
> one.
>
> Thanks for the tip, I am already a member of WE so if this fails
> probably
> talk
> to you there.
>
> COME ON PEOPLE TALK, whats the point in being a member
> otherwise.
>
> Cheers
> Steve
> >
> > --- In UK_Horse_Racing@e..., stemarriott@f... wrote:
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > As a new member I thought i'd
> > > introduce myself. My name is Steve
> > > and I live in Burnley Lancs.
> > > My favourite Jockey is Kieran
> > > Fallon who I have followed since
> > > his days as a bad boy northern
> > > jockey!. I think KF is a certainty
> > > to regain his Jockeys championship.
> > > I also think Richard Hughes is
> > > riding brilliantly and Eddery looks
> > > hungry again. The No 1 over sticks
> > > is definatly Mick Fitz.
> > > I hope some of you reply as it
> > > seems to have gone a bit quiet
> > > here.
> > > I look forward to hearing from you.
> > > Cheers
> > > Steve Marriott
> > > P.S What do you all think of the
> > > Daryll Holland affair, how long
> > > should his ban be.?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:15:44 GMT
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Perry,
> Nice to know there is someone there. Nice idea about the horse info. I
> will be glad to share my thoughts on anything I fancy to win and hopefully
> if someone suggests alternatives we may find a winner between us.
>
> In the meantime what do you
> think of Daryll Hollands ban should it have been longer?. My own view is
> any ban of say 3 months could wreck a jockeys career. Look at Royston
> Ffrench last year when the same thing happened, he was
> a very promising young jockey and now he's struggling for rides.
>
> The one thing everyone has neglected is what a excellant ride Fallon gave
> Adilabad, anyone else on board and Holland wouldn't have had a problem.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Perry Capon writes:
>
> > hi all
> >
> > from another member who wondered if he was the only person alive on this
> group. nice to hear from others. maybe someone can suggest a topic to chat
> about. how about exchanging views on horse and seeing if between us we can
> take some money off those bookies.
> >
> > bye for now,
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 'steve marriott'
> > To: UK_Horse_Racing@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [UK_Horse_Racing] Re: hello
> >
> >
> >
> > Gerald Simpson writes:
> >
> > > Hello there
> > >
> > > I think you are flogging a dead horse here;
> > > this group is totally inactive and suggest
> > > that you should try some others
> > >
> > > 'winners enclosure' might be a good one for you!
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, Gerald
> > Thanks for the reply, I noticed this group is a bit
> > dead, but thought some one new may prompt some activity. There are
> enough
> > people members here, if they all want to just lurk and not talk then
> they
> > will
> > be pretty bored.
> >
> > It is a shame because the idea of the group is a good
> > one.
> >
> > Thanks for the tip, I am already a member of WE so if this fails
> probably
> > talk
> > to you there.
> >
> > COME ON PEOPLE TALK, whats the point in being a member
> > otherwise.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Steve
> > >
> > > --- In UK_Horse_Racing@e..., stemarriott@f... wrote:
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > As a new member I thought i'd
> > > > introduce myself. My name is Steve
> > > > and I live in Burnley Lancs.
> > > > My favourite Jockey is Kieran
> > > > Fallon who I have followed since
> > > > his days as a bad boy northern
> > > > jockey!. I think KF is a certainty
> > > > to regain his Jockeys championship.
> > > > I also think Richard Hughes is
> > > > riding brilliantly and Eddery looks
> > > > hungry again. The No 1 over sticks
> > > > is definatly Mick Fitz.
> > > > I hope some of you reply as it
> > > > seems to have gone a bit quiet
> > > > here.
> > > > I look forward to hearing from you.
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Steve Marriott
> > > > P.S What do you all think of the
> > > > Daryll Holland affair, how long
> > > > should his ban be.?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:22:34 +0100
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
> hi steve
>
> having seen a reply on the morning line thi morning, why didn't he look
> behind before easy on the horse.
> i think ban is long enough, but maybe a fine as well, may hit them
> immediately and give them more to think about. though apparently if he
> does it again within 12 months he gets another ban for three months,
> surely the threat of that will stop a repeat performance
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:27:40 -0400
> From: Carlotta Cooper <eshever@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
> I'm glad to see some talk on this list, too. I guess I've been hesitant
> to
> say anything because I'm in the U.S.
>
> Do those of you in the UK believe that horse racing interests more people
> there than it does in the U.S.? I just watched a nice two-hour program
> called "The History of Racing" on one of the American cable channels. I'm
> just baffled as to why racing is now just a marginal activity to most
> people
> in the U.S. when it was the number one sport for many decades here.
>
> Has there also been a decline in interest in the UK and Europe, or is this
> just an American problem?
>
> Regards,
> Carlotta Cooper
>
> > From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> > Reply-To: UK_Horse_Racing@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:22:34 +0100
> > To: <UK_Horse_Racing@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [UK_Horse_Racing] Re: hello
> >
> > hi steve
> >
> > having seen a reply on the morning line thi morning, why didn't he look
> behind
> > before easy on the horse.
> > i think ban is long enough, but maybe a fine as well, may hit them
> immediately
> > and give them more to think about. though apparently if he does it again
> > within 12 months he gets another ban for three months, surely the threat
> of
> > that will stop a repeat performance
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:37:17 GMT
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> Subject: Re: Daryll Holland
>
>
>
>
> Hi Perry,
>
> I think at any track Daryll
> probably would have looked round but with Chester being so tight horses
> dont usually come from Adilabads
> position to win again full credit to Fallon.
>
> I think all the public condemnation will act as a deterant, even without a
> fine the financial penalty will still be severe with night racing Holland
> could miss up to 12 rides per day. If any of these rides win he may not
> regain the ride.
>
> I find it interesting to note that when young Lee Newman did exactly the
> same
> the other day it passed almost unnoticed. But Island House was a well
> backed horse at a televised
> meeting. Wonder how many of the people calling for a
> huge ban backed Adilabad. Money talks!!!!!
>
> See Ya
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Perry Capon writes:
>
> > hi steve
> >
> > having seen a reply on the morning line thi morning, why didn't he look
> behind before easy on the horse.
> > i think ban is long enough, but maybe a fine as well, may hit them
> immediately and give them more to think about. though apparently if he
> does it again within 12 months he gets another ban for three months,
> surely the threat of that will stop a repeat performance
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:21:53 +0100
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Daryll Holland
>
> hi Steve
>
> have to agree money talks, but as one of the backers of island house,, I
> back the horse assuming it gets a run to the line.
>
> appreciate that chester is tight, but even a moments glance would have
> told him that he is not clear yet.
>
> well hopeful he has learnt his lesson and may think twice, but sure it
> will happen again.
>
> regards
>
> Perry
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:24:17 GMT
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
>
> Carlotta Cooper writes:
>
> > I'm glad to see some talk on this list, too. I guess I've been hesitant
> to
> > say anything because I'm in the U.S.
> >
> Hi Carlotta,
> Thanks for the reply
>
>
> > Do those of you in the UK believe that horse racing interests more
> people
> > there than it does in the U.S.? I just watched a nice two-hour program
> > called "The History of Racing" on one of the American cable channels.
> I'm
> > just baffled as to why racing is now just a marginal activity to most
> people
> > in the U.S. when it was the number one sport for many decades here.
> >
>
> Interesting questions you raise there, I think racing is probably still
> bigger in the U.S. Racing never has been No.1 here as it gets a lot of
> competition from other sports.
>
>
> > Has there also been a decline in interest in the UK and Europe, or is
> this
> > just an American problem?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Carlotta Cooper
> >
> I don't think it is declinining either. A lot of racecourses are now
> family orientated particularly when racing takes place on a sunday.
>
> Our most popular race (The grand National at Liverpool) still attracts
> huge
> TV viewing figures and most of the population has a bet.
>
> There is also a lot more racing on Tv now we have a Racing Channel which
> shows non stop racing it even shows live racing from the US in the
> evenings. Do you see any UK racing?.
>
> One of my favourite horses is a US horse because I won a bit on it when it
> won the world cup (Captain Steve for obvious reasons).
>
>
> How good is the winner of this years Kentucky Derby we did not hear much
> of
> it once the Godolphin/Frankie Dettori horse was withdrawn.
>
>
> Look forward to hearing from you soon
>
> Steve
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:29:16 +0100
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
> Hi Carlotta.
>
> hard to speak about decline in USA as don't much about the racing there,
> but knowing that a racing card for them can have a lot more races on them,
> and from what I understand you end up with the same horse running against
> each other week in, week out.
>
> I think that horse racing in UK is rising rather than declining, more
> families attend and courses are maing it a more friendly place to go. my
> kids enjoy going and seeing the horse. and pointing out the winners
>
> Regards
>
> Perry
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:35:58 +0100
> From: "Gerald Simpson" <gerald@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: hello
>
> Hello USA
>
> I am not sure you can suggest it is marginal when around 150,000
> people went to the Kentucky Derby. If my understanding was
> correct this was the second largest ever crowd. I am not suggesting,
> of course, for one minute that you do not know what you are talking
> about, but I understood it was a thriving industry.
>
> The four days of Royal Ascot will only marginally beat the numbers for
> the Kentucky Derby. You enjoy a much greater spectacle with your
> major meetings but I am nor sure whether the gambling interest is as
> strong there as it is here.
>
> I read recently that around £75 millions are gambled everyday here in
> the United Kingdom - all forms of gambling of course. It is still on
> the
> increase and it is expected to rise still further when betting tax is
> abolished possibly in October 2001 or certainly January 2002.
>
> I understand that in Europe interest is still very strong and of
> course in the
> Middle East you have an enormous interest and no real gambling.
> regards
> GWS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carlotta Cooper <eshever@...>
> To: <UK_Horse_Racing@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK_Horse_Racing] Re: hello
>
>
> > I'm glad to see some talk on this list, too. I guess I've been
> hesitant to
> > say anything because I'm in the U.S.
> >
> > Do those of you in the UK believe that horse racing interests more
> people
> > there than it does in the U.S.? I just watched a nice two-hour
> program
> > called "The History of Racing" on one of the American cable
> channels. I'm
> > just baffled as to why racing is now just a marginal activity to
> most people
> > in the U.S. when it was the number one sport for many decades here.
> >
> > Has there also been a decline in interest in the UK and Europe, or
> is this
> > just an American problem?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Carlotta Cooper
> >
> > > From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> > > Reply-To: UK_Horse_Racing@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:22:34 +0100
> > > To: <UK_Horse_Racing@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [UK_Horse_Racing] Re: hello
> > >
> > > hi steve
> > >
> > > having seen a reply on the morning line thi morning, why didn't he
> look behind
> > > before easy on the horse.
> > > i think ban is long enough, but maybe a fine as well, may hit them
> immediately
> > > and give them more to think about. though apparently if he does it
> again
> > > within 12 months he gets another ban for three months, surely the
> threat of
> > > that will stop a repeat performance
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:37:08 GMT
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Daryll Holland
>
>
> Perry Capon writes:
>
> > hi Steve
> >
> > have to agree money talks, but as one of the backers of island house,, I
> back the horse assuming it gets a run to the line.
> >
> > appreciate that chester is tight, but even a moments glance would have
> told him that he is not clear yet.
> >
> > well hopeful he has learnt his lesson and may think twice, but sure it
> will happen again.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Perry
>
> Hi Perry,
> You raise some good points, sorry about the bet. Hope it didn't sound
> like
> I was trying to defend him I just think the punishment he got was enough.
> As you say it will happen again most jockeys do it at some point. some get
> away with it some dont.
>
> Maybe some owners (not necessarily island house's) are to blame as jockeys
> seemed frightened of trying to hard when they are going to win. Why push
> too hard and win by 10 lengths when you can win by 2 and save something
> for
> the next race. This should not be the case though, surely a horse eased
> down is the same as a unfit horse coasting at the back, both could be
> deemed to be non triers.
> Cheers
> Steve
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:43:12 GMT
> From: 'steve marriott' <stemarriott@...>
> Subject: Re Hello
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> HI Folks
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> Well the 4 of us seem to have a put some life into the group. There have
> been more messages today than the last couple of months put together.
>
> Lets see if we can keep it up and hopefully get some more of the lurkers
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> Be Lucky
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:52:06 +0100
> From: "Perry Capon" <perry.capon@...>
> Subject: Re: Re Hello
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> hi all
>
> have to agree Steve, may this trend continue.
>
>
> regards
>
> Perry
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> Subject: [UK_Horse_Racing] Re Hello
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> HI Folks
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> Well the 4 of us seem to have a put some life into the group. There have
> been more messages today than the last couple of months put together.
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> Lets see if we can keep it up and hopefully get some more of the lurkers
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> Be Lucky
> Steve
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:28:11 -0400
> From: Carlotta Cooper <eshever@...>
> Subject: Kentucky Derby winner
>
> > How good is the winner of this years Kentucky Derby we did not hear much
> of
> > it once the Godolphin/Frankie Dettori horse was withdrawn.
> >
> >
> > Look forward to hearing from you soon
> >
> > Steve
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I think Monarchos is a nice horse -- it wasn't a fluke win. He had
> already
> won the Florida Derby earlier this year against good company and would
> probably have been bet down more at Churchill Downs if he hadn't lost his
> last start before the Kentucky Derby. Also, his trainer was criticized
> before the race, and some people thought the horse might not be 100%,
> because he had no workouts the week before the Derby. Now it seems the
> trainer knew what he was doing <g>.
>
> It's great news for his sire, Maria's Mon, who was a very good horse at a
> mile or at nine furlongs. Monarchos is from his first crop of foals --
> nice
> to have a Kentucky Derby winner in your first crop! It was a good win for
> smaller breeders, too. The breeder was lucky and had purchased the
> broodmare (very well bred) for just $13,000. The stud fee for Maria's Mon
> was only $7,500 at the time. So, in this case a Derby winner was bred for
> a
> little over $20,000: pretty modest compared to most "classic" breedings.
> It was a very smart breeding from a pedigree point of view.
>
> Point Given was the favorite for the Derby, but he's a monster-sized
> horse,
> over 17 hands and very muscled and filled out for a young three year old.
> His jockey has made some comments that the track compromised his horse's
> chances. I don't know if I buy that, but it's true the track was raked
> thin
> and was super hard (dirt, of course) that day. There were two or three
> track records set earlier in the day on the same card. I guess an extra
> hard track could hurt a very large horse, but Monarchos is no shrimp. I
> think he also stands about 17 hands, though he's lighter than Point Given.
>
> The Preakness looks to be wide open at this point. The best horses from
> the
> Derby will be back, and two or three new speed horses are also expected.
> Totally different track in every way. Sharp turns may hurt the bigger
> horses. Congaree may do well. He ran a good third in the Kentucky Derby,
> but the shorter distance of the Preakness may be just what he likes.
> Arazi
> is his sire.
>
> Carlotta Cooper
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 03:21:31 -0400
> From: Carlotta Cooper <eshever@...>
> Subject: popularity of racing
>
> > Hello USA
>
> Hi GWS,
>
> > I am not sure you can suggest it is marginal when around 150,000
> > people went to the Kentucky Derby. If my understanding was
> > correct this was the second largest ever crowd. I am not suggesting,
> > of course, for one minute that you do not know what you are talking
> > about, but I understood it was a thriving industry.
>
> Unfortunately, it wouldn't be the first time I didn't know what I was
> talking about <g>, but the Kentucky Derby (and the Triple Crown races in
> general) are certainly not the norm as far as crowds go. It was indeed
> the
> second largest crowd ever at the Derby, but much of the crowd is annually
> made up of "infielders." I don't know if you've ever seen them on TV, but
> it's doubtful many of them even knew when the race was being run. The
> beer
> flows freely from the crack of dawn and the race is more or less an excuse
> for a one day Mardi Gras. I wouldn't call that segment of the crowd
> die-hard fans. They aren't very big bettors, either.
>
> The industry surrounding racing, particularly breeding, has been thriving
> (or was until the recent disastrous foal losses in Kentucky) dollar-wise.
> The part of the racing scene which continues to fall off is the fan-base.
> There's so much competition from other professional and college sports
> that
> relatively few people follow racing as they did before television, and not
> very many younger people. Only newspapers in the largest cities, such as
> New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, and in Kentucky (where racing has an
> obvious impact on the economy) have any kind of regular race reporting
> anymore. On the other hand, you can open a newspaper any day in even the
> smallest country town and read the baseball and football scores.
>
> > The four days of Royal Ascot will only marginally beat the numbers for
> > the Kentucky Derby. You enjoy a much greater spectacle with your
> > major meetings but I am nor sure whether the gambling interest is as
> > strong there as it is here.
>
> That's an interesting point. Actually most race meets attract very small
> crowds, but lots of gambling interest because of off-track and phone
> betting. A first rate track like Santa Anita in California may be lucky
> to
> get a crowd of 5,000 people most days, though the track handle will be
> very
> good from simulcast betting. Tracks in the U.S., for the most part, have
> a
> hard time attracting families. What little marketing there is for racing
> here is not targeted well -- it's all over the place, as though the racing
> authorities themselves don't really know who they're trying to draw to the
> track.
>
> Of course, I suppose the main difference between U.S. and UK racing may be
> the length and number of meets. Since most racing here is on dirt,
> instead
> of turf, the meets tend to run for two months or more, and there are
> usually
> a couple of big circuits running at the same time in different parts of
> the
> country. And there's no "off" season -- racing is truly year-round. The
> result is lots of races with very small fields: not nearly as interesting
> from a betting or even a fan standpoint.
>
> > I read recently that around £75 millions are gambled everyday here in
> the
> > United Kingdom - all forms of gambling of course. It is still on the
> increase
> > and it is expected to rise still further when betting tax is abolished
> > possibly in October 2001 or certainly January 2002.
>
> I honestly don't know what the figures are for the U.S., but I think it
> would be safe to say that casino gambling occupies a much larger share of
> the gambling pot than does horse racing, even with Standardbred, Arab, and
> Quarter Horse racing added in with Thoroughbred racing.
>
> > I understand that in Europe interest is still very strong and of course
> in the
> > Middle East you have an enormous interest and no real gambling.
>
> > regards
> > GWS
>
> I knew the Middle East and Australasia (especially Hong Kong and Japan)
> were
> very enthused about racing. I'm glad to hear that interest in Europe is
> still strong.
>
> I don't know how you, or others on the list, feel about what seems to be a
> North American addiction to faster horses at shorter distances, but it's a
> trend that I hate. I wish there were a better balance in the U.S. between
> turf and dirt racing; and I really miss the longer races. One reason the
> Belmont Stakes still stands out as a true test of a horse's courage is
> because it is one of only a handful of 1 1/2 mile races left in North
> America. I feel like I'm showing my age, but it wasn't that many years
> ago
> that we still had two-mile races here. I really miss them. I think
> distance races are much more interesting to watch, and I think they're a
> much better measure of the Thoroughbred and of the skill of the jockeys.
> Truly, how much strategy can you have in a six furlong race, which has
> become the standard distance in America? Milers are now considered to be
> "stayers!" However, I seem to be in the minority here.
>
> When I look at photos or film footage of racing from the 1940s and '50s
> I'm
> forcibly struck by the changes in Thoroughbred conformation. Northern
> Dancer was a very good racehorse, and an amazing sire, but IMO, his
> influence has become so pervasive, at least in North America, that he's
> changed the breed from stayers to sprinters. Because of breeding
> practices
> in North America, we also have a multitude of relatively unsound horses
> racing, and making far fewer starts than horses used to make. And very
> few
> good horses these days race past their three year-old year. We just don't
> have the great handicap horses we used to have.
>
> Sorry. My hobby horse. Just my opinions, of course.
>
> Carlotta Cooper
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