Looks like it may rain tomorrow. Rain gear may be in order.

Hank

Count me in for Saturday. I also will have a few friends joining us.

Hank

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, Lauren Miertschin <lauren_miertschin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Hank.  It was a pleasure meeting you.  I'm glad you liked the run -- I
really like that park.
>
> Hope to see ya at Xterra Crystal Cove.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving.
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Hank <hlg1962@...>
> To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 7:19:37 PM
> Subject: [TheOCTR] First Run With The OCTR's
>
>
> A big thanks to Lauren, Tom, Sheila, and Kelly for an enjoyable and
> scenic trail run at the Aliso and Wood Canyons. Lauren guided us on the
> perfect route and distance. What a view from the top!!! It was well
> worth the hour drive and I look forward to more runs in the near future.
> Tom, there should be a couple of runners from the Claremont area joining
> you next Saturday for the Xterra Crystal Cove Training Run #2. I'll pass
> them the information. I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it because of
> other plans but if they change, I'll be there. I'll keep you posted.
> Thanks again.
>
> Hank
>

A big thanks to Lauren, Tom, Sheila, and Kelly for an enjoyable and
scenic trail run at the Aliso and Wood Canyons. Lauren guided us on the
perfect route and distance. What a view from the top!!! It was well
worth the hour drive and I look forward to more runs in the near future.
Tom, there should be a couple of runners from the Claremont area joining
you next Saturday for the Xterra Crystal Cove Training Run #2. I'll pass
them the information. I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it because of
other plans but if they change, I'll be there. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks again.

Hank

Oh come on D, you have to give me more time to to plan on making it to a run
this goooood. : )

Have fun,
Luis

Sent from my iPhone

What: a 22-23 mile hilly trail run up Los Pinos & down San Juan.

When: this Saturday, 11/21, meet at the carpool place by 5am, expect to be
running for 6-7 hours.

Where: look at the "meeting places" map and click on "meetup for San Juan / Los
Pinos".

Email me for details if you want to come: dpgrieves@...

P.S. Just wanted to clarify that you can't actually summit Trabuco peak but you
do pass right underneath it on Main Divide Road between Horsetheif and Indian
Truck Trail.


--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, skydvrusn@... wrote:
>
>
> Jess,
>
>     Thks for the insight!!  My gf and i parked in the gated community just
outside the Korean Retreat monday and ran up ITT to Divide then up to Santiago
Peak. We hung out for a bit looking for water but then came back down in a
little under 7 hrs. I did plan to run Trabuco Peak like i mentioned. I couldnt
find Horsethief on the map. I will go back to your website now. I have spent a
ton of time on it.
>
> I plan to run portions of your race course every weekend prior to race. I am
by no means competative. I just wanna finish :)
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: socaltrailgirl <jess@...>
> To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 10:10 am
> Subject: [TheOCTR] Re: Santiago Peak Question.......
>
>
>
>
> Paul - you will do fine! (I'm the RD for Twin Peaks by the way).
>
> Of course there will be plenty of water and aid for you on race day. Just
getting in a few long runs up there on those trails will help you tremendously
on race day.
>
> Blue Jay is not on the race course (nor is Trabuco Trail but Trabuco Peak is).
If you go to the race website (course details page) you can click on the race
distance link to get a map of the race. I'm going to work on putting together a
Google Earth version of the map soon.
>
> If you can get one run in that includes the Holy Jim / Horsetheif loop you
will be in great shape since for the 50 miler you run that loop twice (once
clockwise and once counterclockwise.
>
> Jessica
>
> --- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, skydvrusn@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well i am a little nervous about tackling such a daunting 50 miler as my
first and i have no problem putting in the miles to make it more enjoyable. I
will definitely pick up the 100 oz and a few more hand helds....
> >
> > The run goes from ITT to Main Divide then over to Trabuco then back to
Santiago then repeat. I dont have a clear cut visual of the course in my head
just yet but i think Blue Jay might be in there somewhere.....I am heading out
to Az this friday for the Ironman but i will run Trabuco Peak next sunday when i
return. Does OCTR run up there often?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Ramsey <bramsey53@>
> > To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 8:33 am
> > Subject: RE: [TheOCTR] Re: Santiago Peak Question.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When running Saddleback in warm weather, I've used a 70 oz Camelbak, two
24-oz (large) UD water bottles, and carried two liters about 5 miles up the
trail to stash and fill on the way back down. That's still barely enough.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
socaltrailgirl
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:28 AM
> > To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [TheOCTR] Re: Santiago Peak Question.......
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Yea I would def get a 100oz cambelback if you can. Then you could always
carry two 28oz bottles (hand held or on your waist) for 156oz total. On some hot
days up there that may still not be enough though. I go through 20-40oz per hour
depending on the temps up there :) Tom and I have had a few runs where we were
definitely water-shorted the last few miles. If you go out a run that includes
Lower Holy Jim there is a creek there (if you bring water purification tablets).
Here in the NW most people only carry two small bottles and water purification
tablets. However, as we all know water is very scare in the Santa Ana Mountains!
> >
> > It definitely helps if you can do a water drop but as you said, your car
would never make it up most of those roads.
> >
> > If you work Blue Jay Campground into your run there is water there too (no
purification needed). It's not on the Twin Peaks course but it might help you
plan some long runs.
> >
> > Jessica
> >
> > --- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, skydvrusn@ wrote:
> > >
> > > We will look at bigger camelbacks this wknd......
> > >
> >
>

Paul - you will do fine!  (I'm the RD for Twin Peaks by the way).

Of course there will be plenty of water and aid for you on race day.  Just
getting in a few long runs up there on those trails will help you tremendously
on race day.

Blue Jay is not on the race course (nor is Trabuco Trail but Trabuco Peak is). 
If you go to the race website (course details page) you can click on the race
distance link to get a map of the race.  I'm going to work on putting together a
Google Earth version of the map soon.

If you can get one run in that includes the Holy Jim / Horsetheif loop you will
be in great shape since for the 50 miler you run that loop twice (once clockwise
and once counterclockwise.

Jessica

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, skydvrusn@... wrote:
>
>
> Well i am a little nervous about tackling such a daunting 50 miler as my first
and i have no problem putting in the miles to make it more enjoyable. I will
definitely pick up the 100 oz and a few more hand helds....
>
> The run goes from ITT to Main Divide then over to Trabuco then back to
Santiago then repeat. I dont have a clear cut visual of the course in my head
just yet but i think Blue Jay might be in there somewhere.....I am heading out
to Az this friday for the Ironman but i will run Trabuco Peak next sunday when i
return. Does OCTR run up there often?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Ramsey <bramsey53@...>
> To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 8:33 am
> Subject: RE: [TheOCTR] Re: Santiago Peak Question.......
>
>
>
>
>
> When running Saddleback in warm weather, I've used a 70 oz Camelbak, two 24-oz
(large) UD water bottles, and carried two liters about 5 miles up the trail to
stash and fill on the way back down.  That's still barely enough.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
socaltrailgirl
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:28 AM
> To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TheOCTR] Re: Santiago Peak Question.......
>
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Yea I would def get a 100oz cambelback if you can. Then you could always carry
two 28oz bottles (hand held or on your waist) for 156oz total. On some hot days
up there that may still not be enough though. I go through 20-40oz per hour
depending on the temps up there :) Tom and I have had a few runs where we were
definitely water-shorted the last few miles. If you go out a run that includes
Lower Holy Jim there is a creek there (if you bring water purification tablets).
Here in the NW most people only carry two small bottles and water purification
tablets. However, as we all know water is very scare in the Santa Ana Mountains!
>
> It definitely helps if you can do a water drop but as you said, your car would
never make it up most of those roads.
>
> If you work Blue Jay Campground into your run there is water there too (no
purification needed). It's not on the Twin Peaks course but it might help you
plan some long runs.
>
> Jessica
>
> --- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, skydvrusn@ wrote:
> >
> > We will look at bigger camelbacks this wknd......
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of socaltrailgirl
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:28 AM
To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TheOCTR] Re: Santiago Peak Question.......

Hi Paul,

Yea I would def get a 100oz cambelback if you can. Then you could always carry two 28oz bottles (hand held or on your waist) for 156oz total. On some hot days up there that may still not be enough though. I go through 20-40oz per hour depending on the temps up there :) Tom and I have had a few runs where we were definitely water-shorted the last few miles. If you go out a run that includes Lower Holy Jim there is a creek there (if you bring water purification tablets). Here in the NW most people only carry two small bottles and water purification tablets. However, as we all know water is very scare in the Santa Ana Mountains!

It definitely helps if you can do a water drop but as you said, your car would never make it up most of those roads.

If you work Blue Jay Campground into your run there is water there too (no purification needed). It's not on the Twin Peaks course but it might help you plan some long runs.

Jessica

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, skydvrusn@... wrote:
>
> We will look at bigger camelbacks this wknd......
>

Hi Paul,

Yea I would def get a 100oz cambelback if you can.  Then you could always carry
two 28oz bottles (hand held or on your waist) for 156oz total.  On some hot days
up there that may still not be enough though.  I go through 20-40oz per hour
depending on the temps up there :)  Tom and I have had a few runs where we were
definitely water-shorted the last few miles.  If you go out a run that includes
Lower Holy Jim there is a creek there (if you bring water purification tablets).
Here in the NW most people only carry two small bottles and water purification
tablets.  However, as we all know water is very scare in the Santa Ana
Mountains!

It definitely helps if you can do a water drop but as you said, your car would
never make it up most of those roads.

If you work Blue Jay Campground into your run there is water there too (no
purification needed).  It's not on the Twin Peaks course but it might help you
plan some long runs.

Jessica

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, skydvrusn@... wrote:
>
> We will look at bigger camelbacks this wknd......
>

Hi Paul,

Running out of water after 12 miles? Carry more water! For a run like that, I
would use my 3 liter Camelbak which is 100 ounces. If it was very warm, I might
also carry 2 handhelds at 20 ounces each.

The only water I know of on the Main Divide is at Bluejay Campground, so you
might plan to include it on your route. There are a few springs around, but I
have never heard of anyone drinking from them.

Tom

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <skydvrusn@...> wrote:
>
> I need a little help....hopefully you more experienced trail runners can
provide assistance.
>
> I have been running trails in Riverside with little weenie hills. I signed up
about a month ago for my first ultra.....Twin Peaks 50 Miler.
> Yesterday i ran from Indian Truck Trail up to Main Divide, then took a right
up to Santiago Peak....12 miles....my gf and i both carried a medium size camel
back and ran out of water just as we crested at the radio
towers....luckily....and i do mean LUCKILY there were two Gas Company employees
up there with a cooler full of ice and water that they offered us. It was an
easy 12 mile gallop back down to the 15 fwy thks to them. Now my question...if i
want to train for longer miles how are all you guys replenishing your water? I
have a 2006 Corolla and i cant see driving it all the way up to Main Divide to
drop a 3 Gallon jug of water.....any local streams? SOMETHING??
>
> PAUL  skydvrusn@...
>

I need a little help....hopefully you more experienced trail runners can provide
assistance.

I have been running trails in Riverside with little weenie hills. I signed up
about a month ago for my first ultra.....Twin Peaks 50 Miler.
Yesterday i ran from Indian Truck Trail up to Main Divide, then took a right up
to Santiago Peak....12 miles....my gf and i both carried a medium size camel
back and ran out of water just as we crested at the radio
towers....luckily....and i do mean LUCKILY there were two Gas Company employees
up there with a cooler full of ice and water that they offered us. It was an
easy 12 mile gallop back down to the 15 fwy thks to them. Now my question...if i
want to train for longer miles how are all you guys replenishing your water? I
have a 2006 Corolla and i cant see driving it all the way up to Main Divide to
drop a 3 Gallon jug of water.....any local streams? SOMETHING??

PAUL  skydvrusn@...

 

Read about it here:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/trail-219674-time-anzenberger.html?pic=3&from=gsa

Play away my friends! This trail has been closed for 2 years and it one of the greatest places to run in Orange County.

I'm announcing here FIRST that I am planning on putting on a 30K race to the top of Harding and back down. Name and date TBD. This is pending permission from the Tucker Wildlife Sanctuary and finding a date that works for the US Forest Service. This may happen as early as next summer if all the ducks line up. Stay tuned and go play on Harding!

Jessica

Read about it here:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/trail-219674-time-anzenberger.html?pic=3&from\
=gsa

Play away my friends!  This trail has been closed for 2 years and it one of the
greatest places to run in Orange County.

I'm announcing here FIRST that I am planning on putting on a 30K race to the top
of Harding and back down.  Name and date TBD.  This is pending permission from
the Tucker Wildlife Sanctuary and finding a date that works for the US Forest
Service.  This may happen as early as next summer if all the ducks line up. 
Stay tuned and go play on Harding!

Jessica

Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

Hi Irma,

I will be running the marathon this Saturday... leaving Friday and spending the
night.  It looks like the temp might be perfect for a nice trail run!!!

Larry

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, ellisirma@... wrote:
>
> Anyone running the Catalina Eco-marathon this Saturday!!  I am new to this
group and would love to meet anyone from this group who may be there!!!!!
>
> Irma
> Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "lauren_miertschin" <lauren_miertschin@...>
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:57:44
> To: <TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [TheOCTR] Great Silverado Footrace, Serve America Mud Run & Twin
Peaks
>
> Hi.  Has anyone heard of a 2010 date for the Great Silverado Footrace?  I
really love that race -- last year it was in February, in the past March.  I
really want to volunteer for Twin Peaks, but I gotta make sure that it won't
conflict with the Silverado footrace.  Any word?
>
> Also, is anyone in the group running this Saturday's Serve America Mud Run?
>
> Lauren M.
>

Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

Chay said the Footrace is generally held on the last Saturday in February so
that should be Feb 27th this year.  She said there was one exception in the
history of the race (that time it was in March I think).  I'm hoping to do that
race myself once I get back down there!
Jessica

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, Lauren Miertschin <lauren_miertschin@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jessica!
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: socaltrailgirl <jess@...>
> To: TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:14:52 AM
> Subject: [TheOCTR] Re: Great Silverado Footrace, Serve America Mud Run & Twin
Peaks
>
>  
> Hey Lauren... I emailed Chay (RD for the Footrace) to see if she has a date
yet. I'll let you know what I find out!
>
> --- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups .com, "lauren_miertschin" <lauren_miertschin@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi. Has anyone heard of a 2010 date for the Great Silverado Footrace? I
really love that race -- last year it was in February, in the past March. I
really want to volunteer for Twin Peaks, but I gotta make sure that it won't
conflict with the Silverado footrace. Any word?
> >
> > Also, is anyone in the group running this Saturday's Serve America Mud Run?
> >
> > Lauren M.
> >
>

Hey Lauren... I emailed Chay (RD for the Footrace) to see if she has a date yet.
I'll let you know what I find out!

--- In TheOCTR@yahoogroups.com, "lauren_miertschin" <lauren_miertschin@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi.  Has anyone heard of a 2010 date for the Great Silverado Footrace?  I
really love that race -- last year it was in February, in the past March.  I
really want to volunteer for Twin Peaks, but I gotta make sure that it won't
conflict with the Silverado footrace.  Any word?
>
> Also, is anyone in the group running this Saturday's Serve America Mud Run?
>
> Lauren M.
>

Hi.  Has anyone heard of a 2010 date for the Great Silverado Footrace?  I really
love that race -- last year it was in February, in the past March.  I really
want to volunteer for Twin Peaks, but I gotta make sure that it won't conflict
with the Silverado footrace.  Any word?

Also, is anyone in the group running this Saturday's Serve America Mud Run?

Lauren M.

Hey all - I finally got a general discount code set up for Twin Peaks (the
registration system is new).  Anyway, if you register for either distance
(http://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=5285) use code "octr2010tp"

I also still need LOTS of volunteers if you can help out before or during race
day.  Thanks!!

Happy Running,
Jessica

It's a simple job, I can go into more details if you are interested.  It will
earn you a free tech short sleeve tech shirt for Twin Peaks!  If you can help
out, the main thing is to know the course people will be running for training. 
I'm thinking Jan 2 and Jan 16 so will need help on one or both days.

Jan 2 will be about 13 miles (up and down Indian Truck Trail - no way to get
lost!).  Jan 16th will be a clockwise loop on Holy Jim/Main Divide/Horsetheif
(about 14 miles) with an optional add-on spur to Santiago Peak and back (add 5
miles).

Thanks much!
Jessica