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#2628 From: dalmo mariano da silva junior <redatorfreelancer@...>
Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:19 pm
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Well, Joe, I never thought my knife designs were interesting to you.
You teached me Lots of thiks, so I'm proud you like my work. BTW, Roy told me to change a bit my shapes, making a "false edge"on the spine of my knives, so they will not Remove wood of the targets unnecessarelly. They Were doing it, and I'm not hard headed, I undestood its point and changed the design...
About Roys knives, they are Not spikes, cause they have weight and Shape, they are Better, much better for handling than a spike. I think of them as Renaiscence Daggers, Narrow, but still Knives, not spikes. And Oh, I still like your big bowies.
Differente worlds, different things, As Roy always pointed, Dalmo is a guy who Loves to learn.
I learned a Lot with you ( I Use your thumb grip, many times), I learned with Roy (his style is very interesting), I learned with Ralph, with David....with Lee Fuggat, he also knows a lot on throwing knives.  I'm an open mind student, why not? The more I throw, the much I learn.
Many people have things to teach, here in Brazil its Me who teaches, but always knowing that a student could become better than me, and I will not Envy him, will Applaud him, instead.
Well, just a note, and its good to have you with us. Will try to ask people on salted water tempering, Unfortunatelly the Best source on Tempering (my amigo Fabio Codignoli) died of a hearth attack last year, at only 49. A Pitty, he was really a beacon on tempering for all of us, and also made some very interesting knives...He could take pieces of Iron, cook them, then turn them into Steel, as the Japaneses die, and Forge good swords out of the matter.
I really miss him, but thats life.
Abraço, my amigo, be well, I'm sure you have lots of things to talk on our group.
Dalmo

--- Em sáb, 13/6/09, brknfthr@... <brknfthr@...> escreveu:

De: brknfthr@... <brknfthr@...>
Assunto: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Roy knife
Para: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
Data: Sábado, 13 de Junho de 2009, 14:03

Well maybe if I had purposely missed a lot they would have said OK go ahead and use them?
 Joe D.

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#2629 From: brknfthr@...
Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: Roy knives, Joe.... 		knifesrme
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Well Mi Amigo Dalmo let me say this that I am as much of your student as you are mine, I have been throwing for 46 years now but the more I learn the more I realize I have a lot more to learn!!
 
 That may be what separate's us from some other people we know that we have more to learn, for me learning is like water, if it stands still it gets stagnant and polluted and develops illness and breeds little nasties, if on the other hand it has a constant supply of fresh water (new ideas) it will be stronger and healthier and flow smoother and get more nutrients!
 
  I have learned a hell of a lot just on tempering in the last few days, and I like your designs a lot the one little dagger with wings is sweet but as I said in a previous post I really love symmetry and when I look down the blade I really like to see the point in the middle, this may stem from my earliest throwing experiences of learning with an M-3 Military Trench Knife, I only wish they would design an F/S Knife with a strong blade and lighter handle it is a wicked design!
 Abraco Mi Compadre Grande!
 Joe

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#2630 From: "Roy Hutchison" <royhutchy2000@...>
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:57 am
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Joe
 
You are right for sure.     The point on a throwing knife should always be in the middle, its far better that way.
This trench knife, why dont you just make one in the way you want ?
 
Roy
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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Roy knives, Joe....

Well Mi Amigo Dalmo let me say this that I am as much of your student as you are mine, I have been throwing for 46 years now but the more I learn the more I realize I have a lot more to learn!!
 
 That may be what separate's us from some other people we know that we have more to learn, for me learning is like water, if it stands still it gets stagnant and polluted and develops illness and breeds little nasties, if on the other hand it has a constant supply of fresh water (new ideas) it will be stronger and healthier and flow smoother and get more nutrients!
 
  I have learned a hell of a lot just on tempering in the last few days, and I like your designs a lot the one little dagger with wings is sweet but as I said in a previous post I really love symmetry and when I look down the blade I really like to see the point in the middle, this may stem from my earliest throwing experiences of learning with an M-3 Military Trench Knife, I only wish they would design an F/S Knife with a strong blade and lighter handle it is a wicked design!
 Abraco Mi Compadre Grande!
 Joe

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#2633 From: "whosbrewing" <robthebrew@...>
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: Roy knives, Joe.... 		whosbrewing
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I've been reading and absorbing for a while now. I want to try throwing more

knife-like throwers than the 6" spikes I've been using up till now (yes, I will

need a stronger target - the old door I was using with the spikes is falling to

bits anyway).

What is my best "first blade"? I want to make my own, number one so I can make

more if I break the first. Should I jump straight in and get water/laser cut

sheet steel, or can I get away with an angle grinder (and ear protection). As to

hardening, I've had pretty good success case hardening my spikes with "Cherry

Red" compound and mild steel.

Sorry if I just dragged the conversation back to the elementary school!

All the best,

Rob.









--- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Hutchison" <royhutchy2000@...>

wrote:

>

> Joe

>

> You are right for sure.     The point on a throwing knife should always be in

the middle, its far better that way.

> This trench knife, why dont you just make one in the way you want ?

>

> Roy

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: brknfthr@...

>   To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com

>   Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:01 AM

>   Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Roy knives, Joe....

>

>

>

>

>

>   Well Mi Amigo Dalmo let me say this that I am as much of your student as you

are mine, I have been throwing for 46 years now but the more I learn the more I

realize I have a lot more to learn!!

>

>    That may be what separate's us from some other people we know that we have

more to learn, for me learning is like water, if it stands still it gets

stagnant and polluted and develops illness and breeds little nasties, if on the

other hand it has a constant supply of fresh water (new ideas) it will be

stronger and healthier and flow smoother and get more nutrients!

>

>     I have learned a hell of a lot just on tempering in the last few days, and

I like your designs a lot the one little dagger with wings is sweet but as I

said in a previous post I really love symmetry and when I look down the blade I

really like to see the point in the middle, this may stem from my earliest

throwing experiences of learning with an M-3 Military Trench Knife, I only wish

they would design an F/S Knife with a strong blade and lighter handle it is a

wicked design!

>    Abraco Mi Compadre Grande!

>    Joe

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#2635 From: "Roy Hutchison" <royhutchy2000@...>
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:06 pm
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Rob



Nothing wrong with your hardening.    Its a nice easy way and only needs

ordinary mild steel, or black iron.



Just make your blade as you and you only can tell.   Just make some soft

ones to try out before casing them.

A good start is to use 1 inch wide x 1/8th thick, or 3/16th thick strip

steel.   Just cut to the length required and point one end.    Start at

about 12s long and cut bits off to get the right "feel"



Roy

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From: "whosbrewing" <robthebrew@...>

To: <TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:32 PM

Subject: [TheBladeThrower] Re: Roy knives, Joe....





> I've been reading and absorbing for a while now. I want to try throwing

> more knife-like throwers than the 6" spikes I've been using up till now

> (yes, I will need a stronger target - the old door I was using with the

> spikes is falling to bits anyway).

> What is my best "first blade"? I want to make my own, number one so I can

> make more if I break the first. Should I jump straight in and get

> water/laser cut sheet steel, or can I get away with an angle grinder (and

> ear protection). As to hardening, I've had pretty good success case

> hardening my spikes with "Cherry Red" compound and mild steel.

> Sorry if I just dragged the conversation back to the elementary school!

> All the best,

> Rob.

>

>

>

>

> --- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Hutchison"

> <royhutchy2000@...> wrote:

>>

>> Joe

>>

>> You are right for sure.     The point on a throwing knife should always

>> be in the middle, its far better that way.

>> This trench knife, why dont you just make one in the way you want ?

>>

>> Roy

>>   ----- Original Message -----

>>   From: brknfthr@...

>>   To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com

>>   Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:01 AM

>>   Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Roy knives, Joe....

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>   Well Mi Amigo Dalmo let me say this that I am as much of your student

>> as you are mine, I have been throwing for 46 years now but the more I

>> learn the more I realize I have a lot more to learn!!

>>

>>    That may be what separate's us from some other people we know that we

>> have more to learn, for me learning is like water, if it stands still it

>> gets stagnant and polluted and develops illness and breeds little

>> nasties, if on the other hand it has a constant supply of fresh water

>> (new ideas) it will be stronger and healthier and flow smoother and get

>> more nutrients!

>>

>>     I have learned a hell of a lot just on tempering in the last few

>> days, and I like your designs a lot the one little dagger with wings is

>> sweet but as I said in a previous post I really love symmetry and when I

>> look down the blade I really like to see the point in the middle, this

>> may stem from my earliest throwing experiences of learning with an M-3

>> Military Trench Knife, I only wish they would design an F/S Knife with a

>> strong blade and lighter handle it is a wicked design!

>>    Abraco Mi Compadre Grande!

>>    Joe

>>

>>

>>

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#2631 From: brknfthr@...
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:22 am
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Hi Roy
 My Gryphon Throwers are what I want and pretty much double edged (at the tip but dulled down) and can be thrown by the blade as well as the handle.
 
 I'll send you a pic of my personal competition Gryphon knives but mine are made of Bulls Eye Damascus so cost me 1250.00 to make, the guy sent me the billets and I had them water jet cut then finished them and sent them back to the guy, he hardened them and acid etched them, they turned out beautiful and I dare say I'm throwing the most expensive tournament knives out there!
 
 See attached pic, I also had an IKTHOF Bowie made of the same Bulls Eye Damascus, see pic's.
 Joe

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#2632 From: "Roy Hutchison" <royhutchy2000@...>
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:46 pm
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Joe
 
Nice finish, unusual.    Lot of money though.
 
Roy
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Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Roy knives, Joe.... [3 Attachments]

Hi Roy
 My Gryphon Throwers are what I want and pretty much double edged (at the tip but dulled down) and can be thrown by the blade as well as the handle.
 
 I'll send you a pic of my personal competition Gryphon knives but mine are made of Bulls Eye Damascus so cost me 1250.00 to make, the guy sent me the billets and I had them water jet cut then finished them and sent them back to the guy, he hardened them and acid etched them, they turned out beautiful and I dare say I'm throwing the most expensive tournament knives out there!
 
 See attached pic, I also had an IKTHOF Bowie made of the same Bulls Eye Damascus, see pic's.
 Joe

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#2636 From: brknfthr@...
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:41 pm
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 Well Rob like they always told me you have to walk before you run and the rudiments of any aspect of blade making or throwing is always interesting to me!
 
  There is so much scrap steel out there that you should be able to find something that is already hardened (just my personal opinion), leaf springs, replaces bottom edge of a snow plow blade or any of a number of things may work for you?
 
 I would try to keep the knife close to the same width in the handle as the blade because it will be an easier transition to throw by the blade or handle, 12" to 16" is Conventional Tournament Standard and nowider than 3"  at any point.
 
 Hope this helps a bit!!!
 Joe D.

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#2637 From: brknfthr@...
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:44 pm
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No kidding!
  I should have used Little John's Yorkshire War Cry "OWWW MUUUCH" but I knew what I wanted!
 Joe D.

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