Robert Cornelison hi

I got past index finger problem sometime ago, along with some other problems
with my other throwing styles.  Basically all styles incorporate some kind of
controlled release and inevitably the only way to control the knife is by
releasing it with ease, obtaining the feel for the momentum of the knife
(inertia forces) and correcting the trajectory and rotation.  My other latest
finding is that knife has to be deliberately pointing back, almost parallel to
the ground on the back stoke so that the blade itself will be going much faster
than the handle. That kind of creates the illusion of blade pulling the whole
knife out of my hand, making release and correction much easier, sort of like
front wheel drive car being pulled forward with much less tendency to spin.  It
sort of contradicts the idea of spinless throw but it actually helps to make the
knife to fly straight.  So, I rotate it much more vigorously initially to
accelerate the blade and to get handle to push into my palm solidly.  Then comes
the finiky part... Works with most any grips.  Wave-like motion everybody is
talking about just helps to reach the same goal - accelerate the blade and let
it overtake the rest of the knife.

--- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, "cornelison_robert"
<cornelison_robert@...> wrote:
>

> Hi Andrew,
>
> I had the same problem with my index finger. To correct it (for the most part)
I relaxed my release a bit, letting the knife slide out of my hand, while using
my index finger to influance the flight pattern. So far it has been wonderful
and I have even been throwing sidearm with it.
>
>
> --- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, "andrewyakuhin" <yakuhin@> wrote:
> >
> > people, I have a qustion to those who still does throw using 1/4 spin
technique.  Is index finger absolutely best method for choking/counterspinning
the knife?
> >
> > I was noticing during early days of my no-spin tries that index finger
produces very "unstable" throws.  Sort of not enough surface area on the knife
and the finger itself.  Yesterday I really surprised myself with the beauty of
my throws at 10-12 feet, was almost like magic, but some throws were
intentionally with "finger of god" and some others just throws by "god only
knows how" technique.  Both were producing similar effect.  I think I am sliding
the second or third phalang of index finger and knife is held by relaxed hammer
grip (sort of).
> >
> > Today I wasn't in my best shape and "finger of god" didn't work for me at
all and the only sticks were from my (TM) "whatever works just stick it" throws.
> >
> > Hense is the question.  Should I work a little more on building "muscle
index finger" or shoulda just keep sticking by "whichever way works"?  I know
from other sports, often new student have to study proper way of doing things
even if he doesn't like it or if his own way of doing things temporarely
produces better results.  Is it the same way here?
> >
>

LOL! I knew it was too good to be true. :(

Well, I am looking forward to talking with everyone and sharing tips and
technics.

~Rob~

--- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, james fry <hunter02_2002@...> wrote:
>
> Don't let him kid you. This is the ER Thorn that runs Flaming Sunset Tours
down in Key West.  
> Welcome to the group.  Jim
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Ralph Thorn <eralphthorn@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ralph Thorn <eralphthorn@...>
> Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Hello Everyone!
> To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 7:51 PM
>
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>  
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>
> I didn't realize that I am infamous. Notorious, maybe, but not infamous : )
>
> Welcome to the group.
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> RT
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> From: cornelison_robert <cornelison_robert@ yahoo.com>
> To: TheBladeThrower@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 3:59:31 PM
> Subject: [TheBladeThrower] Hello Everyone!
>
>  
>
> I just found this group, I started reading some posts and I noticed that a
bunch are from eralphthorn. Is this really the infamous Ralph Thorn???
>

Hi Andrew,

I had the same problem with my index finger. To correct it (for the most part) I
relaxed my release a bit, letting the knife slide out of my hand, while using my
index finger to influance the flight pattern. So far it has been wonderful and I
have even been throwing sidearm with it.


--- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, "andrewyakuhin" <yakuhin@...> wrote:
>
> people, I have a qustion to those who still does throw using 1/4 spin
technique.  Is index finger absolutely best method for choking/counterspinning
the knife?
>
> I was noticing during early days of my no-spin tries that index finger
produces very "unstable" throws.  Sort of not enough surface area on the knife
and the finger itself.  Yesterday I really surprised myself with the beauty of
my throws at 10-12 feet, was almost like magic, but some throws were
intentionally with "finger of god" and some others just throws by "god only
knows how" technique.  Both were producing similar effect.  I think I am sliding
the second or third phalang of index finger and knife is held by relaxed hammer
grip (sort of).
>
> Today I wasn't in my best shape and "finger of god" didn't work for me at all
and the only sticks were from my (TM) "whatever works just stick it" throws.
>
> Hense is the question.  Should I work a little more on building "muscle index
finger" or shoulda just keep sticking by "whichever way works"?  I know from
other sports, often new student have to study proper way of doing things even if
he doesn't like it or if his own way of doing things temporarely produces better
results.  Is it the same way here?
>

Many happy returns Joe {:^)

Take care
- Tony -

Live, Love, Laugh & Learn

----- Original Message -----

From: brknfthr@...

To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:12 PM

Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Happy Birthday, Joe D

Abraco mi grande Amigo!!

 

 Joe D.

Ok I tholt Harry K. McEvoy was the designer of tru-balance and he was not
putting out knives in 1913? I have a copy of the book he put out The
Knife throwing in the professional style
Copyright 1969
So so how 1913 no way ?

I'm not sure how many collectors are here but a friend sent a Viet Nam Era
Tru-Bal Bowie Axe with the original sheath along with an Anderson Knife made
from a 1913 Patton Saber and an older and "In Country" made Machete Type knife
to sell for them on Ebay.

  I know I have seen a lot of brand new Bowie Axe's sell as Viet Nam Era which I
know were not but this is a Square Butt with a Lanyard Hole and original brown
riveted Bowie Type Sheath, I'll list the Bowie Axe as a Tru-Bal Bowie Axe or if
anyone is interested they can contact me, I haven't gotten pic's of the stuff
yet as we're in the end of a Nor'Easter storm here in PA. and I just got them in
today hopefully I'll get some sun so I can take some pic's tomorrow.

  Joe D.
brknfthr@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Thorn

To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] RAlph and Roy, 2 questions....

Dalmo,

I am probably most accurate at about 3/4 of my full power, certainly not at full power.

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From: Roy Hutchison <royhutchy2000@...>
To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 4:48:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] RAlph and Roy, 2 questions....

 

Dalmo

 

This is not the pinch grip you are thinking of, the knife dangles between the thumb and finger as though it were on a piece of string.     

Most times it falls out on the floor as you swing it over, remember, it has to dangle loosely.   Its just a bit of fun, its akin to the knife dangling on a string fitted at the extreme handle end.

Dont take it as a serious throw, its not.    If I remember right, I kept dropping the knife many times before I got one to fly.

The inertia in the throw makes the knife leave the grip before the arm is over.     Make sure nobody is standing behind you if you try.

 

Roy

----- Original Message -----

From: dalmo mariano da silva junior

To: TheBladeThrower@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:08 PM

Subject: [TheBladeThrower] RAlph and Roy, 2 questions... .

To not fill the mailboxes with lots of Dalmos, let me ask you both two questions...   1) Roy, is you "dead rat's tail grip"what we also call a "pinch grip"? I use it to throw sharp knives, with Spin, but never tried it in a No spin throw. How far can you go?   2) Ralph- I believer part of the efectiveness of you style resides in the Power you put in your throwin. Question: if you throw the Same style with Half (No P.I:)  the power , would you also stick the knives with the same accuracy????     Regards   Dalmo

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----- Original Message -----

From: dalmo mariano da silva junior

To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:08 PM

Subject: [TheBladeThrower] RAlph and Roy, 2 questions....

To not fill the mailboxes with lots of Dalmos, let me ask you both two questions...   1) Roy, is you "dead rat's tail grip"what we also call a "pinch grip"? I use it to throw sharp knives, with Spin, but never tried it in a No spin throw. How far can you go?   2) Ralph- I believer part of the efectiveness of you style resides in the Power you put in your throwin. Question: if you throw the Same style with Half (No P.I:)  the power , would you also stick the knives with the same accuracy????     Regards   Dalmo

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I just found this group, I started reading some posts and I noticed that a bunch
are from eralphthorn. Is this really the infamous Ralph Thorn???

Longer knives are not cheating.   Ralph can cope better with longer knives
because of his method and his strong wrist action, but in general shorter
knives are easier to control, thats why they do so well with the short
straight spikes.

I have a shorter set, at 11 inchs, and once when David (Throwdini) was
visiting me in at home in London, we had a throwing session in my indoor
garden range which is / was 18ft long.   He wanted to see the half-spin and
no-spin throws, so I showed him a few, but I also did a throw, a no spin by
just holding the knife between the thumb and forefinger, in a fashion as you
would if you picked up a dead rat by the end of its tail.    Exactly the
same, on the extreme end of the handle, but tight enough to not drop it and
flexible enough to allow it to swing in my fingers.  Then at 12  ft, swing
it over and let it fly dead straight to the board, just to show David how
easy it is to let the knife do its own thing.  He laughed.

Its not easy to throw much further than 15 ft with a no spin, most will find
it impossible.   In fact 25ft with a knife at half spin overhand is also
very difficult.    Those guys that throw the short spikes for 30 ft. plus
have developed a skill that has taken them years to perfect.    Like
throwing knives, it cant be learned overnight, and for most, they will never
get it.

R



----- Original Message -----
From: "22lr" <yakuhin@...>
To: <TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:41 AM
Subject: [TheBladeThrower] Re: just realized how far 25 ft is


>I don't like bigger knives becasuse thats just outright cheating.  My
>knives, the ones I am using for now are about 12" long, maybe a litle
>under.  I made them by the way. I came to the style that probably resembles
>the one we can see on Roy's short video clip, also very similar to what
>russians promoting as "wave" style.  At this point I don't think there is
>much room for any other style while going for the range.  When you analyse
>the actions in the throw it is the same thing, be it called FOG or wave or
>brushing.  Waving motion on a back stroke creates powerful interaction
>between knife spine and a forefinger, that powerful interaction being
>carried throughout the throw counterspins the knife. Release must be a
>little early to allow for part of a stroke to be a sort of trajectory
>adjustments stage.  And voila! it flies like an arrow, pointing slightly up
>and then slowly rotating and hitting the target pointing slighly down.  At
>16-17 feet there s a bit of trajectory in the throw and some fraction of a
>second of a beautiful show.  Your style although lot of fun I must admit,
>too rough, too quick, and bulging taped handles quickly  becoming and
>obstacle rather than help. Same thing about balance of the knive.  What I
>think today is that balance is really of little improtance, unless it is
>way out of wack. God knows what will I think tomorrow as I learn something
>new every day.
>
> --- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Thorn <eralphthorn@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't see the rules for the online tourney because it must have been
>> during those days I was missing emails (which seems to be fixed now), but
>> 12 feet is not so bad at all if you are using knives in that 9-12 inch
>> range and using the no-spin style I use. The easiest way to cheat for
>> more range at the no spin if you use my style is to use bigger weapons,
>> but if you really want that super range (like 40 and 50 feet, which
>> Houzan Suzuki can reach) you'll want to use the shuriken style, for which
>> smaller weapons work better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: 22lr <yakuhin@...>
>> To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:38:17 PM
>> Subject: [TheBladeThrower] just realized how far 25 ft is
>>
>>
>> thanx to our little online tournament, I was so comfortable and having
>> all the fun in the world at 12 feet away. And then today I moved further
>> and further, just to see how far really I can throw. At 16 feet I still
>> get fair amount of sticks, although knives either point down or arrive in
>> some weird attitudes in a bad throw.  How far are you all people, or
>> rather how badly I suck at no-spin throwing? I think I may not reach 25ft
>> any time soon.  Those fine actions in the throw proly needs synapses to
>> grow in a specific way to hardwire everything for a throw.
>>
>
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I don't like bigger knives becasuse thats just outright cheating.  My knives,
the ones I am using for now are about 12" long, maybe a litle under.  I made
them by the way. I came to the style that probably resembles the one we can see
on Roy's short video clip, also very similar to what russians promoting as
"wave" style.  At this point I don't think there is much room for any other
style while going for the range.  When you analyse the actions in the throw it
is the same thing, be it called FOG or wave or brushing.  Waving motion on a
back stroke creates powerful interaction between knife spine and a forefinger,
that powerful interaction being carried throughout the throw counterspins the
knife. Release must be a little early to allow for part of a stroke to be a sort
of trajectory adjustments stage.  And voila! it flies like an arrow, pointing
slightly up and then slowly rotating and hitting the target pointing slighly
down.  At 16-17 feet there s a bit of trajectory in the throw and some fraction
of a second of a beautiful show.  Your style although lot of fun I must admit,
too rough, too quick, and bulging taped handles quickly  becoming and obstacle
rather than help. Same thing about balance of the knive.  What I think today is
that balance is really of little improtance, unless it is way out of wack. God
knows what will I think tomorrow as I learn something new every day.

--- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Thorn <eralphthorn@...> wrote:
>
> I didn't see the rules for the online tourney because it must have been during
those days I was missing emails (which seems to be fixed now), but 12 feet is
not so bad at all if you are using knives in that 9-12 inch range and using the
no-spin style I use. The easiest way to cheat for more range at the no spin if
you use my style is to use bigger weapons, but if you really want that super
range (like 40 and 50 feet, which Houzan Suzuki can reach) you'll want to use
the shuriken style, for which smaller weapons work better.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: 22lr <yakuhin@...>
> To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 9:38:17 PM
> Subject: [TheBladeThrower] just realized how far 25 ft is
>
>
> thanx to our little online tournament, I was so comfortable and having all the
fun in the world at 12 feet away. And then today I moved further and further,
just to see how far really I can throw. At 16 feet I still get fair amount of
sticks, although knives either point down or arrive in some weird attitudes in a
bad throw.  How far are you all people, or rather how badly I suck at no-spin
throwing? I think I may not reach 25ft any time soon.  Those fine actions in the
throw proly needs synapses to grow in a specific way to hardwire everything for
a throw.
>