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michalbarda <m.barda@...> wrote:
--- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, michalbarda
wrote:
True, backhand throws have a lot of power - I like them too -, but
the windup is predicable. They are more of an close-up throw - for me
anyway -, so I would be afraid that somebody fast enough might block
my arm as I would raise it for the throw. That's why I like
underhands and sidehands - with underhand, the knife can be hidden
behind your thigh until the actual throw, with sidehand you can throw
from a more or less fighting stance without too much shifting.
TKD doesn't mean that I kick above waist; that's only for very,very
dazed opponents - and if they are in such state, you can probably run
away. Nor I use spinning or jumping kicks(I can do them, but I don't
like unusual suicide methods). By training style that favors kicking
you develop strong, fast kicks regardless of where you target them. I
quit TKD because I felt it is a bit sterile and not enough street-
wise, but I retained the kicking ability pretty well.
--- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, tomwrote:
>
> believe it or not a lot of my throws are back hand . lots of power
there as well as good accuracy. i throw a knife just like i do my
hawk . if it works use it. taekwondo kicks are purty but in the real
world of combatives a pro will put you down every time you get your
foot higher than your waist. tom
>
> michalbardawrote: Incidentally, today I tried
throwing my knives on swinging bag made
> from old pant's leg stuffed with rags. At first, I threw at
unmoving
> bag, just to see what it can do with a denim fabric, then I kicked
> the bag to get it moving(four years with TKD - I can kick hard) and
> tried to peg it overhand(it's fastest in flight) from 3 meters
away.
> About two knives from every three throws hit and penetrated. They
> were buried 3-4 inches deep into rags. I am only learning this
style
> for three days, but I already know I don't want to have any scuffle
> with anybody skilled in spear-style throwing. If he would pull a
> knife, I would grab a chair or something to keep him from stabbing
me
> and he would hit me in my belly or thigh underhand or sidearm. End
of
> story. I can imagine what kind of damage heavy knife thrown sidearm
> would do as these hit are splitting log rounds like army of angry
> termites.
> I think the key factor is if your opponent know you can (and will)
> throw knives. If not, he won't expect the need to dodge if you are
> several meters away, thus you will catch him by surprise if you
don't
> have too predicable windup - for example, by making a Pekiti-Tirsia
> Kali stance a little wider, I can throw sidearm directly from the
> stance - no windup, no chambering, no nothing. The stance even give
> you the look of unskilled knife fighter, lulling the opponent into
> thinking you aren't dangerous. Wrong.
> Two real-life examples: I tried metsubushi once during no-rules
> sparring. My friend charged, I sidestepped and grabbed a flip-top
> pill bottle from my pocket. He turned(he was about two meters from
> me) and I blasted him in the face with baby powder. He was so
> surprised I would manage to drink my morning tea during the throw
(it
> was wide, sweeping sidearm motion). I had time to even make the
tea.
> He just didn't expect any danger from this distance.
> Second - much nastier - happened when some circus settled near my
> town and some performers went to pub to drink and relax. There was
> some name-calling and in no time some person was pushing one
> performer, then grabbed a bottle and attacked him. He dodged and
> backpedaled several meters, then pulled a knife and tried to ward
the
> attacker off, but when it didn't do anything and the bully was
> closing with a raised bottle, he flipped the knife into blade grip
> and hit him squarely in his thigh. It turned out he was
professional
> thrower working for the circus... Now, somebody skilled in spear-
> style throwing wouldn't even have to flip the knife, so it would be
> faster still.
> Really, the key is in the moment of surprise.
>
>
> --- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, dalmo mariano da silva
junior
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Roy , untill mid 80s rich people here used to throw at
Living
> Pidgeons, they cutted theyr tails for making them fly randomnly.
But
> the governme forbided it for cruelty.
> > It was problably fun, I would not do it cause I dont like to kill
> animals, but they defended themselves saying that the killed
pidgeons
> went to hospitals, etc.
> > I believe its more or less like "Fox hunting", problably funny,
> but also cruel...
> > In Argentina they still let one chase Mooses, they pay around
> 3000 dollars for each one, I can make a Barbecue for all the knife
> throwers in the world with this money...
> > Abraço
> > Dalmo
> >
> > royhutchison escreveu:
> > Dalmo
> >
> > Its called "clay pigeon shooting" with shotguns. I love it.
> >
> > Roy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dalmo mariano da silva junior
> > To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:53 PM
> > Subject: [TheBladeThrower] Throwing at moving targets 2
> >
> >
> > Hi, Roy,
> > I never tried to throw at a moving target with a pistol or a
> revolver, but did it Pretty well with .12 rifles, throwing at
flying
> dishes (dont know the right name of the sport in English), Its not
> difficult as you realize you have to follow the dishe And throw at
it
> future trajectory. Good guys (not me, dont have enough practice)can
> hit 195/198 out of 200, so its just a matter of adjusting your
timing.
> > I also had a friend who had a Bar (a Pub) where, instead of
> throwing darts as in England, you threw (shot) with a bow and arrow.
> > We used to put oranges swinging, and throw at them. For sure, it
> was a pretty short distance for a bow, 40 feet no more, but we used
> to hit the oranges a lot of times, same method, only in this case
we
> did not followed the movement, just waited the orange to be in the
> right point (Before the target) and released the arrow.
> > I believe in the case of the knife one must do the same thing.
> Try to follow the movement will be difficult.
> > Will try it.
> > Abraços
> > Dalmo
> >
> >
> > royhutchison escreveu:
> > Ralph
> >
> > AH, throwing a knife at someone who dosent expect it is different
> than throwing at someone who is waiting for it. However enough of
> that subject for now.
> > The swinging log idea is good and a lot of fun. The idea was
> born years ago in our rifle and pistol range, when we used the very
> same idea for pistol shooting, except instead of the log, we would
> use gallon cans full of water.
> > A hit on the swinging can, with a 357 magnum, or any high
> velocity bullet,
> > caused an impressive blast of water as the can split open. But
> I can tell you it was not easy to hit the swinging can. I found
> myself that I had to squeeze
> > my trigger when the can was at its farthest point of my aim, and
> that was about a 3feet swing at 15feet range. So when I started
> throwing knives at my log swinging target, hits were very difficult
> and hard to calculate despite
> > a very fast throw.
> > But it is a lof of fun. Remember to swing near to your backstop,
> so a miss sticks in the backstop.
> >
> > R
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralph Thorn
> > To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Re: Interview with Roy? I read it!
> >
> >
> > Roy,
> >
> > That is great! I thought and thought about how to show myself
> hitting a moving target, and I finally hit on exactly the idea you
> describe. Attach a big staple to the end of a log, run a rope
through
> it, and attach the rope to a rafter in that barn I use. Get someone
> to push it to start it swinging, then get out of the way. Then I
hit
> it with knives. If I can find a big enough log, or maybe an old
> punching bag, I'm certain I could hit it easily with my normal
> sidearm spinless throw. The question was, how could I get my
> cameraman positioned to film it safely, because a miss would be
very
> dangerous, it could come off that moving log in any direction. I am
> certainly going to try it, though, if this current video is
> successful enough to justify making an expanded edition.
> >
> > Knife throwing is primarily an assasin's trick. I rarely talk
> about it, mostly for legal reasons, but anybody I ever throw a
knife
> at will probably be hit before he suspects what is on my mind.
> >
> > If anything my release is quicker with a knife than it would be
> with a pine cone or a ball.
> >
> > ert
> >
> > royhutchison wrote: Ralph
> >
> > Throwing soft balls and pine cones is not the same as throwing
> one to two pound weight knives.
> > Also who would stand 12 feet away and not move until the knife
> was thrown at them. Anybody faced with an opponent who was
> likely to throw a knife at them would face sideways on and be
moving
> in all sorts of ways. This then
> > makes a moving target which with a knife is very difficult to hit.
> > I speak with experience on that subject, cause its one of the
> things I used to do in my old factory.
> > From a rafter I used to swing an old log side to side,
> > and this log was about body width and 4feet long. I would
> throw knives at this log as it was swinging side to side with about
a
> 3 feet swing. Now if what you say were true, it would be fairly
> easy to hit the log centre most times, cause the swing was similar
to
> a moving body. A MOVING BODY. To
> > hit the log was really difficult, it required throwing the knife
> at the position the log would be in at about 1 seconds time, so the
> knife was actually thrown at nothing and the log swung into the
> knifes path.
> > NOBODY can throw a knife faster than a person can react, simple
> drawing back the arm, ready to throw would have an opponent on the
> move before the knife ever left the hand.
> > How do you think a boxer dodges a punch. He dosent just move his
> head, he moves the whole top half of his body. The punch is far
> faster than any of us can ever draw a knife to throw, and its
> impossible to follow the movement
> > with a knife.
> >
> > We will just have to agree to disagree on this point.
> >
> > Roy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralph Thorn
> > To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Re: Interview with Roy? I read it!
> >
> >
> > Roy,
> >
> > No, there's certainly never a guarantee of an injury. Nothing is
> ever guaranteed in practice. But you can practically guarantee a
hit -
> - the hit may or may not do any serious damage. But the important
> thing is, it forces the opponent off balance long enough to set him
> up for a hand attack.
> >
> > This is certainly something I intend to include in my later video
> work, if I can find somebody to work with for the combat sections.
Of
> course I'll just throw soft things, not knives! But anything you
can
> hit with a ball, you can hit with a knife.
> >
> > Actually a guy named Bob Taylor did some video of himself using
the
> palm throw and other types of throws to hit an opponent with dowels
> marked with chalk, and he hit the guy with the point every time,
> easily, from every angle, even though they were both moving around.
> (By the way, that guy also teaches the blade throw, which I think
he
> calls "technique 2", as a combat throw, but he isn't very good at
> it, as he himself admits). Now I grant you it didn't look like the
> guy was trying his hardest to dodge, but there's no doubt that you
> can get hits to the body fairly easily inside that ten or twelve
foot
> range, because nobody can move the core of their body fast enough
to
> dodge at that range.
> >
> > You can try it out easily. Just get some soft balls and an
opponent
> to practice on. It's like dodgeball or a game we called "warball"
> that we played when I was a kid. We also used to have wars by
> throwing pine cones at each other. There's no way to dodge a body
> shot at close range. You can get your head, arms and legs out of
the
> way with amazing speed, but not the body. If you could, games like
> that couldn't exist.
> >
> > ert
> >
> > royhutchison wrote: Ralph
> >
> > Yes, I read all your points, and they sound good in theory, but
> just like martial arts, in practice they are not so easy,
especially
> under stress.
> > I will agree that if you are carrying more than one knife, and
> somehow get faced with a life of death situation, then by all means
> throw one of the knives
> > at the opponent, BUT never throw the knife if its the only one
> you have. I myself would rather keep both knives and fight with one
> in each hand.
> >
> > Are you actually saying that you could guarantee either a kill,
> or an injury
> > to an opponent with your one only knife thrown at 12 feet? If
> so I have something for you to try Then you can put it on to a
> movie for us all to see.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralph Thorn
> > To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Re: Interview with Roy? I read it!
> >
> >
> > Roy,
> >
> > I have done experiments using soft throwing objects, against a
guy
> the same age as me. He had zero chance of dodging the things I
threw
> from 12 feet or closer. I hit him every single time, even when I
told
> him I was about to throw and what I was aiming at. If he went into
a
> right handed stance and I threw left handed, I could hit him in the
> face, every single time, with no trouble at all, even when he knew
it
> was coming, because of the angle.
> >
> > He could dodge a head shot most of the time if he was in a right
> handed stance and I threw right handed, and he could of course get
> his arms and legs out of the way. But when I threw at his body from
> the upper thigh to the neck, he had no chance whatsoever to dodge.
If
> I had been throwing knives instead of soft balls and wadded up
socks,
> he would have been in the hospital or the morgue.
> >
> > I have had to duck a lot of knives that came back at me, and
> believe me, when they bounce back from inside six feet, I have
almost
> no change of dodging and sometimes no chance of even blocking one,
> and those are knives flying slowly because they have lost their
> momentum.
> >
> > Here's what you might not be accounting for: if someone moves as
> you throw, it's no trouble to change the throw and move with them.
If
> they go left or right as you throw, you can easily adjust. Fast
> release is important, but the ability to adjust is more important.
> >
> > Also, there's this: they probably wouldn't be expecting a throw,
> anyway...and if you tried to pick someone off from long range,
there
> would be no better throw than the blade throw, as long as they
didn't
> see it coming. Of course this would have to be in some extreme
> situation, like a military assasination, but it's not outside the
> realm of possibility in my opinion.
> >
> > ert
> >
> > royhutchison wrote: Ralph
> >
> > Your right, people have been throwing things as weapons since the
> year dot,
> > but how many hits, and or kills, is anyones guess, but if you
need
> a hit
> > with one knife from twelve feet at a moving target and you have
one
> knife
> > only, well I for one would not try it, and I can throw as fast as
> anybody
> > as you will see on my dvd.
> > I guarantee that even at my age I could dodge out of the way of a
> thrown
> > knife, especially from twelve feet.
> > I make this statement because I have had some experience of
moving
> out
> > of the way from thrown punches in contest. These punches are
> lightning
> > fast, certainly faster than a thrown knife, and these punches
were
> thrown
> > from only 3 to 4 feet. There is also no visible wind up to the
> punches
> > as there is with a thrown knife.
> > The SD chuckers said that nobody would escape a knife thrown by
me.
> > I completely disagreed with them for the same reasons.
> >
> > R
> >
> > Maybe, as I said, Dalmo would like to try and hit a buddy with
> thrown
> > sticks at 12 feet onto an area of his body that would stop him.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "eralphthorn"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:33 AM
> > Subject: [TheBladeThrower] Re: Interview with Roy? I read it!
> >
> >
> > There's no doubt in my mind that I can easily hit someone hard
> enough
> > to do massive damage inside of, say, twelve feet with a sidearm
> > spinless throw, whether they are moving or not. If they don't
block
> > it, it will kill them or render them incapacitated. If they do
> block
> > it, they just lost the arm for the duration of the fight, making
> them
> > easier to finish off with a hand attack. Even if they are wearing
> > clothing that would protect them, if you aim a throw at their
head,
> > they will instinctively duck, which takes them off balance and
again
> > sets them up for a hand attack. That's the main purpose of knife
> > throwing, to set up a hand attack. Don't throw your last knife,
but
> if
> > you have two, you can and should throw if you have mastered the
> > spinless throw.
> >
> > The Vikings used throwing axes successfully in warfare; people
have
> > been using spears and even thrown or slung rocks successfully in
> > combat since long before recorded history. A knife thrown in the
> > spinless style is simply a small spear. Only the spinless throw
> really
> > works for combat, but it would work. I haven't seen anybody
disagree
> > with that who has seen me throw live.
> >
> > ert
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com, "royhutchison"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dalmo
> > >
> > > The reason I say self defense with a thrown knife would be
> difficult
> > is because
> > > you would probably be in a life or death situation to have the
> need
> > to throw a knife at anyone.
> > > First, the chance of a thrown knife hitting a moving opponent is
> > very slim.
> > > Second, if it did hit him, the chance of it bringing him down
> would
> > be even
> > > slimmer, and all he would do is simply use it against you. Its
> > not easy to hit a moving target with a slow moving thrown knife.
> > > Also thinking back to my kickboxing days, a thrown knife from
> around
> > 8-10ft
> > > would be easy to move out of the way of, or block it with your
> arm.
> > Even a knife stuck deep in your arm, would not stop you fighting
> at
> > all in a life or death situation.
> > > I have seen contests carry on with broken arms and or feet and
> > fingers without the fighter knowing he had broken bones, until
long
> > after the fight was finished.
> > >
> > > Try it Dalmo. Use wooden pegs with paint on one end and try to
> > stick a paint dab on a buddy who is moving about in front of you
by
> > throwing it at him like a knife.
> > >
> > > Roy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: dalmo mariano da silva junior
> > > To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:36 AM
> > > Subject: [TheBladeThrower] Interview with Roy? I read it!
> > >
> > >
> > > Great, great, great!
> > > When I was a kid, we used to make small knives out of little
> wood
> > blade saws, and throw at the ground ( or at the floor of the
schools
> > classes, made of wood).
> > > I also Always agreed with Roy about knife throwing being useless
> > as self defense task , Untill I met you Ralph. Now, I can throw
> even a
> > Kitchen knife from the handle 8 feet Always point first, so I
would
> > take a risk to use a knife in self defense, I'm pretty sure if I
aim
> > the face I will make enought damage to stop any enemy. I tried it
> with
> > Ballisongs, kitchen knives, scissors, tactical knives, folders,
> > screwdrivers, etc. They Always fly point first, so they can for
sure
> > be Used as weapons.
> > > And, the best part is , the startin movement looks like if youre
> > tryiing to make an Up/down cut, so the release of the knife will
be
> a
> > surprise!
> > >
> > > But, I would love to hear More about our Limey guy, I'm sure he
> > have nice histories to tell us...
> > > Abraços
> > > Dalmo
> > > PS- I invited a girl to enter our group, shes from the thrower
> > group, her name is Cathy, I told her she would be received with
red
> > carpets, as our first Lady thrower!
> > >
> > > Ralph Thorn escreveu:
> > > Thanks, Roy. I'll write some more questions and some other
> stuff
> > into this as soon as I get a chance.
> > >
> > > ert
> > >
> > > royhutchison wrote:
> > > When did I first start throwing knives-------I think I was
> > about 11 years old, and
> > > had just aquired my first penknife. I used to throw it
> into
> > the ground and into trees and wooden doors. Only very short
> throws
> > from the handle, maybe 2 to 4 feet or so. Nearly all us kids of
> the
> > time had small penknives, or jacknives
> > > and some of us would toss them about, just seeing if they
> > would stick, but most of the time the knives just bounced around
and
> > ended up falling to pieces.
> > >
> > > What gave you the idea to use the blade throw.------
> > > Well throwing from the blade was a must really. The
> > types of knives we
> > > had as kids nearly all had funny shaped handles. Some
> of
> > the early sheath
> > > knives even had a knob shape at the handles end, so it came
> > naturally to throw from the straighter blade, and besides even in
> > those early days it was
> > > obvious that the knife spun as it left the hand, so to get a
> > little more range
> > > throwing from the blade was a must, but having stated that,
> it
> > was to be many, many more years before the ability to control that
> > spin to suit the unmeasured
> > > distances with all the different knives and spikes, was
> gained
> > to a sensible
> > > degree, and many more years before it became instinctive.
> > >
> > > What knind of knives did you start out with----------
> > > Leaving aside the knives we threw as kids, and moving
> forward
> > ten years when
> > > I got into the foremans good books at the engineering
> factory
> > I worked in after
> > > doing my national army service, I used to make my throwers
> > from heavy duty
> > > power saw blades. These tool steel blades were brittle,
> and
> > would sometimes
> > > shatter if the blafe hit sideways in a throw, but the blades
> > were plentiful, and it
> > > was easy to grind them to shape. The size I used then
> was
> > about 12 inchs
> > > long, by inch and a qtr wide, and by one sixteenth of an
> inch
> > thick. With a tape handle these blades were awesome, and would
> twang
> > like hell in the stick. I still throw some of them nowadays, just
> > to watch them vibrate like
> > > a tuning fork in the stick.
> > >
> > > What kind of knives do I like now--------
> > > Well, I dont have any particular favorite knives, but I can
> > say I hate knives that
> > > are funny shapes. For me a throwing knife needs to be
> > symetrical, it does
> > > not have to balance anywhere particular, but it does have to
> > be shaped to allow
> > > it to slide from the hand.
> > >
> > > Knife throwing in self defense-------
> > > No, in my opinion, knife throwing as a form of self defense,
> > would be difficult.
> > >
> > > What is your experience in Martial arts---
> > > I started in Shotokan Karate, and spent about 5 years
> > training, and then went over to kick boxing for a further 22
years,
> > until our local council closed our sports facility. I then
> trained
> > for a while in my home until I reached 60 years of age, whereby I
> just
> > did less and less training through lack of time and energy.
> > >
> > > When did you first do the spinless throw---
> > > About 5 years ago, to any reasonable distance. The throw
> > is really only
> > > a spin off from my half spin throws.
> > >
> > > When did you first hear about my book---
> > > Scott Gracia sent me a copy.
> > >
> > > Compare the blade throw to the nospin throw---
> > > I dont really know how to compare the two throws, both have
> > their own merits
> > > and are as different as can be. My best throw is the blade
> > throw cause ive been doing it for so long and even the long
throws
> are
> > fairly effortless for me,
> > > while the nospin throw for me is hard work and not so long a
> > range.
> > >
> > > What do I most enjoy about knife throwing.
> > > Its hard to put a finger on that question. Maybe its the
> > sort of relaxing
> > > feeling as the knives fly through the air, or the
> > satisfaction on a good day
> > > when all knives stick at a perfect right angle in the wood,
> > thrown from any distance. The walking to and fro pulling knives
> > from the wood, all these things seem to be enjoyable.
> > >
> > > What is your mindset about knife throwing in general.
> > > I think it will be an uphill battle to extend the interest
> in
> > knife throwing, unless
> > > it is brought out into the public eye by whatever, just like
> > darts were.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ralph Thorn
> > > To: TheBladeThrower@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:59 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TheBladeThrower] Interview with Roy? I wanna
> > read it!
> > >
> > >
> > > Good thinking, Dalmo. You've given me a good jumping off
> > place to start.
> > >
> > > Roy, when did you start throwing knives,
> > > what gave you the idea to use the blade throw,
> > > what kind of knives did you start out with,
> > > what kind of knives do you like now,
> > > did you ever think about knife throwing in the context of
> > self defense,
> > > what is your experience in martial arts,
> > > when did you first do the spinless throw,
> > > when did you first hear about my book,
> > > compare the blade throw to the spinless throw,
> > > what do you most enjoy about knife throwing,
> > > and what is your mindset about knife throwing in general?
> > >
> > > Write as much as you'd like for each question. Also it
> would
> > be great if you would give us all some background about your
> childhood
> > and lifetime, etc.
> > >
> > > And this is just the start. We'll have enough material
> for a
> > book soon!
> > >
> > > ert
> > >
> > > dalmo mariano da silva junior wrote:
> > > Hi, Ralph, Roy is a Pretty Good writer!
> > > He created a history some time ago about a pair of shoes
> > he left for repairing Before WWII and that he went back to catch
in
> > our days, and I believed in Every word, if he did not write me
> saying
> > that it was just a creation of his Limey brain I would keep
> believing
> > on it untill now!
> > > Will be great to hear how he started, throwing at German
> > Messerchmitts, etc.
> > > Regards!
> > > Dalmo
> > >
> > > royhutchison escreveu:
> > > Ralph
> > >
> > > No problem, I have plenty of time.
> > >
> > > Roy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "eralphthorn"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:19 AM
> > > Subject: [TheBladeThrower] Interview with Roy?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Roy,
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Bobby, I think we really need something
> > up about the
> > > > blade throw on the combat knife throwing site, and
> who
> > better to do it
> > > > than the master himself? How about this: I'll come
> up
> > with a bunch of
> > > > questions for you, and you can answer them (here or
> by
> > private e-mail,
> > > > whatever you prefer, then I'll rework it to put in
> > some of my own
> > > > observations about learning the blade throw. That
> will
> > make it easier
> > > > on you; you won't have to write a whole article,
> just
> > answer
> > > > questions. Do you think you'll find the time to do
> > that sometime soon?
> > > > If so I'll start thinking about the questions...
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