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#3471 From: "bultacopursang" <alazgr8@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:52 am
Subject: SOCAL MX from the old days 		bultacopursang
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Here's some nostalgic reading for you So-Cal guys that raced the local So-Cal
tracks in the good old days.

Rick


http://www.socalmxnews.com/

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#3470 From: "Terry McPhillips" <terry@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:03 pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Photos 		tmcphillips
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Very pretty! 

 

Terry

 

From: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bultacopursang
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:37 AM
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: New Photos

 

 

Kevin,

Wow, those are some nice bikes you have there!!

Rick

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <kjculligan@...> wrote:
>
> I posted a few photos of my Alpina, Frontera and Sherpa T -- see albums titled "Kevin's Model 116 Alpina," "Kevin's Model 215 Frontera" and "Kevin's Model 92 Sherpa T." The bikes are all spruced up and ready for next season. Kevin
>


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#3469 From: Rick <alazgr8@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Sherpa 325 5 speed - 1978 		bultacopursang
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Gavin,
 
Go to the lower left sidebar on the TeamBultaco home page, and click on applications. In the For Sale sectionyou can post pictures of your bike and your contact information.
 
Rick
 

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Gavin LP <gavinandjill@...> wrote:

From: Gavin LP <gavinandjill@...>
Subject: [TeamBultaco] Sherpa 325 5 speed - 1978
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:32 AM

 
Gents,

My father recently passed away leaving the above bike. We dont know if it's a runner or not (we assume it is) but it does need restoration.

Can anyone give me an idea of its worth? We're looking to sell it. I have some photos (if anyone is interested).

The bike in located in the Yorkshire Dales, but I'm NE based.

Thanks for your help.

Gavin



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#3468 From: "bultacopursang" <alazgr8@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: New Photos 		bultacopursang
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Kevin,

Wow, those are some nice bikes you have there!!

Rick

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <kjculligan@...> wrote:
>
> I posted a few photos of my Alpina, Frontera and Sherpa T -- see albums titled
"Kevin's Model 116 Alpina," "Kevin's Model 215 Frontera" and "Kevin's Model 92
Sherpa T."  The bikes are all spruced up and ready for next season.  Kevin
>

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#3467 From: "Kevin" <kjculligan@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:41 pm
Subject: New Photos 		w2kjc1954
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I posted a few photos of my Alpina, Frontera and Sherpa T -- see albums titled
"Kevin's Model 116 Alpina," "Kevin's Model 215 Frontera" and "Kevin's Model 92
Sherpa T."  The bikes are all spruced up and ready for next season.  Kevin

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#3466 From: "Gavin LP" <gavinandjill@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: Sherpa 325 5 speed - 1978 		gavinlloydpayne
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Gents,

My father recently passed away leaving the above bike. We dont know if it's a
runner or not (we assume it is) but it does need restoration.

Can anyone give me an idea of its worth? We're looking to sell it. I have some
photos (if anyone is interested).

The bike in located in the Yorkshire Dales, but I'm NE based.

Thanks for your help.

Gavin

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#3465 From: Bob Fornwalt <yankeebob@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:48 am
Subject: Re: York swap this Sunday 		zbikeman
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Ok, see ya then.  I have a space there also. 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] York swap this Sunday

 

Hey Bob,
 
I meant the meet for 2010. Too far for me for the 1 day meet
tomorrrow in York.
 
WT


--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Bob Fornwalt <yankeebob@dejazzd.com> wrote:

From: Bob Fornwalt <yankeebob@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] York swap this Sunday
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:12 PM

 
WT, stop and say Hi.  I have a vendor space, the one with a Yankee in it. 
 
Yankee Ossa Montesa Bultaco Suzuki Vinduro YankeeBob
 
----- Original Message -----
From: cemoto57
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:05 PM

Wish I could go to York - I'm getting my left achilles tendon re-constructed in two weeks. Full cast for a month then a boot for two, six months total recovery period. At least it is not my kicker leg!

--- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, William Hancock <whiskeychute@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hey Al,
>
> Thanks for your input & knowledge... ..See you at York.
>
> WT


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#3464 From: William Hancock <whiskeychute@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: York swap this Sunday 		whiskeychute
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Hey Bob,
 
I meant the meet for 2010. Too far for me for the 1 day meet
tomorrrow in York.
 
WT


--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Bob Fornwalt <yankeebob@...> wrote:

From: Bob Fornwalt <yankeebob@...>
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] York swap this Sunday
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:12 PM

 
WT, stop and say Hi.  I have a vendor space, the one with a Yankee in it. 
 
Yankee Ossa Montesa Bultaco Suzuki Vinduro YankeeBob
 
----- Original Message -----
From: cemoto57
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:05 PM

Wish I could go to York - I'm getting my left achilles tendon re-constructed in two weeks. Full cast for a month then a boot for two, six months total recovery period. At least it is not my kicker leg!

--- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, William Hancock <whiskeychute@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hey Al,
>
> Thanks for your input & knowledge... ..See you at York.
>
> WT


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#3463 From: William Hancock <whiskeychute@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Frame help 		whiskeychute
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All my 'ol buds are having leg/ankle/hip/knee surgery. Hope all
goes well & maybe you can appear at Mid-Ohio.
 
WT
 
PS,
How do I omit the previous parts of this message?


--- On Fri, 11/13/09, cemoto57 <cemoto@...> wrote:

From: cemoto57 <cemoto@...>
Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:05 PM

 
Wish I could go to York - I'm getting my left achilles tendon re-constructed in two weeks. Full cast for a month then a boot for two, six months total recovery period. At least it is not my kicker leg!

--- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, William Hancock <whiskeychute@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hey Al,
>  
> Thanks for your input & knowledge... ..See you at York.
>  
> WT
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Rick <alazgr8@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: Rick <alazgr8@... >
> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:56 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Al,
>  
> Great post, thanks!!
>  
> Rick
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, cemoto57 <cemoto@charter. net> wrote:
>
>
> From: cemoto57 <cemoto@charter. net>
> Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:04 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> The following is based on my old dusty memories and not guaranteed to be entirely accurate.
>
> There were a few small differences between the frames. To start with, the MK7,8 were made of chrome-moly and thinner walled tubing. Stronger, lighter, faster was the marketing hype back then. Some guys bought bare frames and mounted all the components from their MK5,6, to the MK8 frame hoping to gain an advantage (?)
>
> Realize too that a frame failure covered under warranty might have had the owner get a newer frame. I have a M101 example like this, MK6 motor in a chrome-moly frame stamped M101xxxx.
>
> I believe the MK7,8 frames were a bit narrower and slightly taller, thus the side covers had a flatter profile. This explains the fitting issue. I think chrome-moly tube had different dimensional characteristics back then compared to conventional steel tube.
>
> The steering heads had a different shape with the chrome-moly, earlier models were straight tube, whereas the chrome-moly had a narrower waist and flared at the top and bottom. The seat mounts were different as you said, the earlier (MK5,6) being a longer bolt spread (front to back) than the MK8's.
>
> With the switch to the lighter steel, there were some issues. Frame failures occurred on the down-tube behind the footpegs. If the welding seam was facing rearward there were often splits there. Always check any used bikes for this damage and beware of bondo!
>
> My guess from the sounds of things is you are working with a MK5,6 frame and a MK7,8 frame. First I'd compare the steering heads. Realize many of the exhaust brackets were broken or cut off to fit the pipe at hand. Also, MK7,8 had the square stand stanchion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Al Sandy
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, got2@ wrote:
> >
> > A call out to Pursang experts. Is there any manual or any other printed
> > media that can help to identify a Pursang frame? I have two frames that are
> > supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the
> > parts will not interchange. I can take photos of the frames if anyone can
> > help identify what I have.
> >
> > Bama Gary
> >
>



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#3462 From: Bob Fornwalt <yankeebob@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Re: York swap this Sunday 		zbikeman
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WT, stop and say Hi.  I have a vendor space, the one with a Yankee in it. 
 
Yankee Ossa Montesa Bultaco Suzuki Vinduro YankeeBob
 
----- Original Message -----
From: cemoto57
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:05 PM

Wish I could go to York - I'm getting my left achilles tendon re-constructed in two weeks. Full cast for a month then a boot for two, six months total recovery period. At least it is not my kicker leg!

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, William Hancock <whiskeychute@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Al,
>
> Thanks for your input & knowledge.....See you at York.
>
> WT


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#3461 From: "cemoto57" <cemoto@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:05 am
Subject: Re: Frame help 		cemoto57
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Wish I could go to York - I'm getting my left achilles tendon re-constructed in
two weeks.  Full cast for a month then a boot for two, six months total recovery
period.  At least it is not my kicker leg!

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, William Hancock <whiskeychute@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Al,
>  
> Thanks for your input & knowledge.....See you at York.
>  
> WT
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Rick <alazgr8@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rick <alazgr8@...>
> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:56 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Al,
>  
> Great post, thanks!!
>  
> Rick
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, cemoto57 <cemoto@charter. net> wrote:
>
>
> From: cemoto57 <cemoto@charter. net>
> Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:04 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> The following is based on my old dusty memories and not guaranteed to be
entirely accurate.
>
> There were a few small differences between the frames. To start with, the
MK7,8 were made of chrome-moly and thinner walled tubing. Stronger, lighter,
faster was the marketing hype back then. Some guys bought bare frames and
mounted all the components from their MK5,6, to the MK8 frame hoping to gain an
advantage (?)
>
> Realize too that a frame failure covered under warranty might have had the
owner get a newer frame. I have a M101 example like this, MK6 motor in a
chrome-moly frame stamped M101xxxx.
>
> I believe the MK7,8 frames were a bit narrower and slightly taller, thus the
side covers had a flatter profile. This explains the fitting issue. I think
chrome-moly tube had different dimensional characteristics back then compared to
conventional steel tube.
>
> The steering heads had a different shape with the chrome-moly, earlier models
were straight tube, whereas the chrome-moly had a narrower waist and flared at
the top and bottom. The seat mounts were different as you said, the earlier
(MK5,6) being a longer bolt spread (front to back) than the MK8's.
>
> With the switch to the lighter steel, there were some issues. Frame failures
occurred on the down-tube behind the footpegs. If the welding seam was facing
rearward there were often splits there. Always check any used bikes for this
damage and beware of bondo!
>
> My guess from the sounds of things is you are working with a MK5,6 frame and a
MK7,8 frame. First I'd compare the steering heads. Realize many of the exhaust
brackets were broken or cut off to fit the pipe at hand. Also, MK7,8 had the
square stand stanchion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Al Sandy
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, got2@ wrote:
> >
> > A call out to Pursang experts. Is there any manual or any other printed
> > media that can help to identify a Pursang frame? I have two frames that are
> > supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the
> > parts will not interchange. I can take photos of the frames if anyone can
> > help identify what I have.
> >
> > Bama Gary
> >
>

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#3460 From: morgantor@...
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: up pipes 		m0rgant0r
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Also Jemco in Texas make some really nice pipes!

http://www.jemcoexhaust.com/products.html

MD in SF.

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#3459 From: Rick <alazgr8@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: up pipes 		bultacopursang
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Points awarded for effort. The correct url: http://www.circlefexhaust.com/
 
Rick

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Jean Jimenez <jean_b727@...> wrote:

From: Jean Jimenez <jean_b727@...>
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] up pipes
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:04 AM

 
circlef is an investment firm??

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, willytoni brown <willytonibrown@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: willytoni brown <willytonibrown@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] up pipes
To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 8:43 AM

 
circle f in tx. try www.circlef. com  CZWILLY

From: krasher63 <krasher63@yahoo. com>
To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:48:08 PM
Subject: [TeamBultaco] up pipes

 
Who makes up pipes for Pursangs? Or does any one have any for sale?
Bailey made up pipes back in the day as I have seen them on a 193 370.




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#3458 From: willytoni brown <willytonibrown@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: up pipes 		willytonibrown
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THIS IS CORRECT... www.circlefexhaust.com

From: Jean Jimenez <jean_b727@...>
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:04:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] up pipes

 

circlef is an investment firm??

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, willytoni brown <willytonibrown@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: willytoni brown <willytonibrown@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] up pipes
To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 8:43 AM

 
circle f in tx. try www.circlef. com  CZWILLY

From: krasher63 <krasher63@yahoo. com>
To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:48:08 PM
Subject: [TeamBultaco] up pipes

 
Who makes up pipes for Pursangs? Or does any one have any for sale?
Bailey made up pipes back in the day as I have seen them on a 193 370.




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#3457 From: Jean Jimenez <jean_b727@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:04 pm
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circlef is an investment firm??

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, willytoni brown <willytonibrown@...> wrote:

From: willytoni brown <willytonibrown@...>
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] up pipes
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 8:43 AM

 
circle f in tx. try www.circlef. com  CZWILLY

From: krasher63 <krasher63@yahoo. com>
To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:48:08 PM
Subject: [TeamBultaco] up pipes

 
Who makes up pipes for Pursangs? Or does any one have any for sale?
Bailey made up pipes back in the day as I have seen them on a 193 370.



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#3456 From: willytoni brown <willytonibrown@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: up pipes 		willytonibrown
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circle f in tx. try www.circlef.com  CZWILLY

From: krasher63 <krasher63@...>
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:48:08 PM
Subject: [TeamBultaco] up pipes

 

Who makes up pipes for Pursangs? Or does any one have any for sale?
Bailey made up pipes back in the day as I have seen them on a 193 370.



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#3455 From: "krasher63" <krasher63@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:48 am
Subject: up pipes 		krasher63
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Who makes up pipes for Pursangs? Or does any one have any for sale?
Bailey made up pipes back in the day as I have seen them on a 193 370.

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#3454 From: William Hancock <whiskeychute@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Frame help 		whiskeychute
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Hey Al,
 
Thanks for your input & knowledge.....See you at York.
 
WT


--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Rick <alazgr8@...> wrote:

From: Rick <alazgr8@...>
Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:56 AM

 
Al,
 
Great post, thanks!!
 
Rick

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, cemoto57 <cemoto@charter. net> wrote:

From: cemoto57 <cemoto@charter. net>
Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:04 AM

 


Hello All,

The following is based on my old dusty memories and not guaranteed to be entirely accurate.

There were a few small differences between the frames. To start with, the MK7,8 were made of chrome-moly and thinner walled tubing. Stronger, lighter, faster was the marketing hype back then. Some guys bought bare frames and mounted all the components from their MK5,6, to the MK8 frame hoping to gain an advantage (?)

Realize too that a frame failure covered under warranty might have had the owner get a newer frame. I have a M101 example like this, MK6 motor in a chrome-moly frame stamped M101xxxx.

I believe the MK7,8 frames were a bit narrower and slightly taller, thus the side covers had a flatter profile. This explains the fitting issue. I think chrome-moly tube had different dimensional characteristics back then compared to conventional steel tube.

The steering heads had a different shape with the chrome-moly, earlier models were straight tube, whereas the chrome-moly had a narrower waist and flared at the top and bottom. The seat mounts were different as you said, the earlier (MK5,6) being a longer bolt spread (front to back) than the MK8's.

With the switch to the lighter steel, there were some issues. Frame failures occurred on the down-tube behind the footpegs. If the welding seam was facing rearward there were often splits there. Always check any used bikes for this damage and beware of bondo!

My guess from the sounds of things is you are working with a MK5,6 frame and a MK7,8 frame. First I'd compare the steering heads. Realize many of the exhaust brackets were broken or cut off to fit the pipe at hand. Also, MK7,8 had the square stand stanchion.

Best Regards,

Al Sandy

--- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, got2@... wrote:
>
> A call out to Pursang experts. Is there any manual or any other printed
> media that can help to identify a Pursang frame? I have two frames that are
> supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the
> parts will not interchange. I can take photos of the frames if anyone can
> help identify what I have.
>
> Bama Gary
>




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#3453 From: Rick <alazgr8@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Frame help 		bultacopursang
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Al,
 
Great post, thanks!!
 
Rick

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, cemoto57 <cemoto@...> wrote:

From: cemoto57 <cemoto@...>
Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: Frame help
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:04 AM

 


Hello All,

The following is based on my old dusty memories and not guaranteed to be entirely accurate.

There were a few small differences between the frames. To start with, the MK7,8 were made of chrome-moly and thinner walled tubing. Stronger, lighter, faster was the marketing hype back then. Some guys bought bare frames and mounted all the components from their MK5,6, to the MK8 frame hoping to gain an advantage (?)

Realize too that a frame failure covered under warranty might have had the owner get a newer frame. I have a M101 example like this, MK6 motor in a chrome-moly frame stamped M101xxxx.

I believe the MK7,8 frames were a bit narrower and slightly taller, thus the side covers had a flatter profile. This explains the fitting issue. I think chrome-moly tube had different dimensional characteristics back then compared to conventional steel tube.

The steering heads had a different shape with the chrome-moly, earlier models were straight tube, whereas the chrome-moly had a narrower waist and flared at the top and bottom. The seat mounts were different as you said, the earlier (MK5,6) being a longer bolt spread (front to back) than the MK8's.

With the switch to the lighter steel, there were some issues. Frame failures occurred on the down-tube behind the footpegs. If the welding seam was facing rearward there were often splits there. Always check any used bikes for this damage and beware of bondo!

My guess from the sounds of things is you are working with a MK5,6 frame and a MK7,8 frame. First I'd compare the steering heads. Realize many of the exhaust brackets were broken or cut off to fit the pipe at hand. Also, MK7,8 had the square stand stanchion.

Best Regards,

Al Sandy

--- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, got2@... wrote:
>
> A call out to Pursang experts. Is there any manual or any other printed
> media that can help to identify a Pursang frame? I have two frames that are
> supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the
> parts will not interchange. I can take photos of the frames if anyone can
> help identify what I have.
>
> Bama Gary
>



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#3452 From: "Terry McPhillips" <terry@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Frame help 		tmcphillips
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Great information to know, Al!  I, for one, really appreciate the history on this.  This was completely unknown to me!

 

When you say that the frame had issues with the frame cracking behind the foot peg, are you talking about the frame piece behind the side plate towards the rear?  That would explain what happened to my 120 frame (it sheared the frame in the middle of this piece).

 

Thanks!

 

Terry McPhillips

 

 

 

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Hello All,

The following is based on my old dusty memories and not guaranteed to be entirely accurate.

There were a few small differences between the frames. To start with, the MK7,8 were made of chrome-moly and thinner walled tubing. Stronger, lighter, faster was the marketing hype back then. Some guys bought bare frames and mounted all the components from their MK5,6, to the MK8 frame hoping to gain an advantage (?)

Realize too that a frame failure covered under warranty might have had the owner get a newer frame. I have a M101 example like this, MK6 motor in a chrome-moly frame stamped M101xxxx.

I believe the MK7,8 frames were a bit narrower and slightly taller, thus the side covers had a flatter profile. This explains the fitting issue. I think chrome-moly tube had different dimensional characteristics back then compared to conventional steel tube.

The steering heads had a different shape with the chrome-moly, earlier models were straight tube, whereas the chrome-moly had a narrower waist and flared at the top and bottom. The seat mounts were different as you said, the earlier (MK5,6) being a longer bolt spread (front to back) than the MK8's.

With the switch to the lighter steel, there were some issues. Frame failures occurred on the down-tube behind the footpegs. If the welding seam was facing rearward there were often splits there. Always check any used bikes for this damage and beware of bondo!

My guess from the sounds of things is you are working with a MK5,6 frame and a MK7,8 frame. First I'd compare the steering heads. Realize many of the exhaust brackets were broken or cut off to fit the pipe at hand. Also, MK7,8 had the square stand stanchion.

Best Regards,

Al Sandy

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, got2@... wrote:
>
> A call out to Pursang experts. Is there any manual or any other printed
> media that can help to identify a Pursang frame? I have two frames that are
> supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the
> parts will not interchange. I can take photos of the frames if anyone can
> help identify what I have.
>
> Bama Gary
>


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#3451 From: "cemoto57" <cemoto@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: Frame help 		cemoto57
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Hello All,

The following is based on my old dusty memories and not guaranteed to be
entirely accurate.

There were a few small differences between the frames.  To start with, the MK7,8
were made of chrome-moly and thinner walled tubing. Stronger, lighter, faster
was the marketing hype back then. Some guys bought bare frames and mounted all
the components from their MK5,6, to the MK8 frame hoping to gain an advantage
(?)

Realize too that a frame failure covered under warranty might have had the owner
get a newer frame. I have a M101 example like this, MK6 motor in a chrome-moly
frame stamped M101xxxx.

I believe the MK7,8 frames were a bit narrower and slightly taller, thus the
side covers had a flatter profile. This explains the fitting issue.  I think
chrome-moly tube had different dimensional characteristics back then compared to
conventional steel tube.

The steering heads had a different shape with the chrome-moly, earlier models
were straight tube, whereas the chrome-moly had a narrower waist and flared at
the top and bottom.  The seat mounts were different as you said, the earlier
(MK5,6) being a longer bolt spread (front to back) than the MK8's.

With the switch to the lighter steel, there were some issues.  Frame failures
occurred on the down-tube behind the footpegs.  If the welding seam was facing
rearward there were often splits there.  Always check any used bikes for this
damage and beware of bondo!

My guess from the sounds of things is you are working with a MK5,6  frame and a
MK7,8 frame.  First I'd compare the steering heads.  Realize many of the exhaust
brackets were broken or cut off to fit the pipe at hand.  Also, MK7,8 had the
square stand stanchion.

Best Regards,

Al Sandy




--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, got2@... wrote:
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> A call out to Pursang experts.  Is there any manual or any  other printed
> media that can help to identify a Pursang frame?  I have two  frames that are
> supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some  of the
> parts will not interchange.  I can take photos of the frames if  anyone can
> help identify what I have.
>
> Bama Gary
>

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#3450 From: "Terry McPhillips" <terry@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:17 pm
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I understand that pain.  I ended up buying new side panels for the 135 frame ‘cause the 120 side panels wouldn’t fit it correctly (and the frames are “supposed” to be the same 120/135 and 121/136)…. At least they are acceptable replacements for each other from what I am told…..

 

Seats really depend on whether the pan had ever been replaced.  The replacement base doesn’t normally come with the bolts mounted on them, so they might not be aligned correctly for the true 135 frame.

 

Have fun…. I know what it’s like since I just put a 135 together from parts….. only 2 ½ years to complete it and now all it needs is an exhaust pipe which should arrive any day now. J  Didn’t quite get it together in time for the last race of the season as the exhaust that I had was completely blocked up.

 

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Terry.

 

I will photograph the two and post on the site.  One frame is probably not a 135 as the serial number was ground off and a fake aluminum plate glued over the spot with 135 plus other numbers stamped in the plate.  However, I bought a 135 air box off eBay and two new 135 side panels from Hugh's.  Both fit the frame with ground off numbers but neither will fit the frame with 135 stamped in the steering head.  The seat with the ground off numbers won't mount on the true(?) 135 frame.  This is a huge mystery.

 

Bama Gary

 

In a message dated 11/10/2009 5:03:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, terry@... writes:

 

I’d be curious to see what you have.  I have multiple 135 frames here, but don’t see much in the way of any differences other than the swing arm and pipe mounts.  But then again, I may not have looked closely….

Terry McPhillips

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Subject: [TeamBultaco] Frame help

 

A call out to Pursang experts.  Is there any manual or any other printed media that can help to identify a Pursang frame?  I have two frames that are supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the parts will not interchange.  I can take photos of the frames if anyone can help identify what I have.

Bama Gary


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Terry.
 
I will photograph the two and post on the site.  One frame is probably not a 135 as the serial number was ground off and a fake aluminum plate glued over the spot with 135 plus other numbers stamped in the plate.  However, I bought a 135 air box off eBay and two new 135 side panels from Hugh's.  Both fit the frame with ground off numbers but neither will fit the frame with 135 stamped in the steering head.  The seat with the ground off numbers won't mount on the true(?) 135 frame.  This is a huge mystery.
 
Bama Gary
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 5:03:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, terry@... writes:
 

I’d be curious to see what you have.  I have multiple 135 frames here, but don’t see much in the way of any differences other than the swing arm and pipe mounts.  But then again, I may not have looked closely….

Terry McPhillips

From: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of got2@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:57 PM
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Subject: [TeamBultaco] Frame help

 

A call out to Pursang experts.  Is there any manual or any other printed media that can help to identify a Pursang frame?  I have two frames that are supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the parts will not interchange.  I can take photos of the frames if anyone can help identify what I have.

Bama Gary

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#3448 From: "Terry McPhillips" <terry@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:02 pm
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I’d be curious to see what you have.  I have multiple 135 frames here, but don’t see much in the way of any differences other than the swing arm and pipe mounts.  But then again, I may not have looked closely….

 

Terry McPhillips

 

From: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of got2@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:57 PM
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeamBultaco] Frame help

 

 

A call out to Pursang experts.  Is there any manual or any other printed media that can help to identify a Pursang frame?  I have two frames that are supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the parts will not interchange.  I can take photos of the frames if anyone can help identify what I have.

 

Bama Gary


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#3447 From: got2@...
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Subject: Frame help 		ridesamagna
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A call out to Pursang experts.  Is there any manual or any other printed media that can help to identify a Pursang frame?  I have two frames that are supposed to be 135 frames but they are a lot different and some of the parts will not interchange.  I can take photos of the frames if anyone can help identify what I have.
 
Bama Gary

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#3446 From: "maicomeister309d" <steven_d_clark@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: New Applications 		maicomeister...
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Nice features Rick -

I think I'll do that on my groups

Soup



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> On the left side of the TeamBultaco Homepage under "Group Labs" click on
"applications" to see some new features I have added to TeamBultaco.
>
> There are now "For Sale", "Giveaway", "Favorites" and "How Too" sections. For
example in favorites we can save some of the more informative posts such as
Bultaco Paint codes, or in "How Too" we can save a post on tank sealing.
>
> Feel free to use these applications.
>
>
> Rick
>

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#3445 From: "Michael W" <Investmentcast@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:21 am
Subject: Converting a 175 Lobito to 250cc 		investmentcast
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G'Day Folks.

Does anybody on this forum have any thoughts on the possibility of converting a
93 175 Lobito to a 250.

Will a barrel and head from another model fit, will the bottom end be capable of
withstanding the increased power and torque of the 250.

Does anybody know if they ever built a 250 Lobito ican not seem to find any
mention of one.

Back in the early 70's i rode a 175 Alpina and a mate rode a 125 Lobito,
converted to a 175 on the open wide trails his lobito was faster but as soon as
the tight twisty trails arrived my Alpina was way gone, thinking back so was
every other bike left behind, AH i still dream of having that alpina back!

Regards Michael

PS thanks for any help in advance.

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#3444 From: "Robin h" <seamonkeyx2@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 9:26 pm
Subject: 1974 360 Pursang for sale 		seamonkeyx2
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http://www.competitionbikesforsale.com/vintagemx.html

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#3443 From: "Robin h" <seamonkeyx2@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:54 pm
Subject: 1974 360 Pursang for sale 		seamonkeyx2
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#3442 From: "bultacopursang" <alazgr8@...>
Date: Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:04 am
Subject: New Applications 		bultacopursang
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On the left side of the TeamBultaco Homepage under "Group Labs" click on
"applications" to see some new features I have added to TeamBultaco.

There are now "For Sale", "Giveaway", "Favorites" and "How Too" sections. For
example in favorites we can save some of the more informative posts such as
Bultaco Paint codes, or in "How Too" we can save a post on tank sealing.

Feel free to use these applications.


Rick

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