Looks like non standard air box, Exhaust and carb, Mikuna.
It does start sometimes then quits.
From: friesen_dave <davefriesen@...> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:36:11 PM Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: rip off or not
Where did you find the sticker?
There was a Sammy Miller frame kit for the 91 but it's not what you have. I think that sticker was common on some Bultacos.
--- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, "gpaul_roberts" <gpaul_roberts@ ...> wrote: > > Just found an oval tank sticker, > > It says Sammy Miller Replica Winner 1965 67-68 Scotish Six day Trial. > > Would this explain the period after market parts? Does any one know if a Sammy miller edition of an M91 existed? > > paul > > > > > --- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, "gpaul_roberts" <gpaul_roberts@ > wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the comments, it helps to know there are like minds out there. Especially the on the fun to $
ratio and the tech tips like seals. > > > > Decision day + 6 > > > > Continuing the saga, bultaco.com did me proud NOS lights wiring loom etc. (with original stickers on). Bill turned into $ 745. I was very pleased to get NOS and will continue until I get all NOS parts. > > > > Also surprising the license plate turned up which makes it street legal, assuming that I get it started and can ride it to the local inspection place. > > > > One more pic of the parts uploaded, should be a good weekend, already warned the wife I am going to be playing in the garage over the holiday break. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com, got2@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:44:35 AM Central
Daylight Time, > > > alazgr8@ writes: > > > > > > > but when I uncover my Pursang it's a different story. > > > > > > > > > To this I will agree. My wife knows nothing about motorcycles. I have > > > Huskys, Can Ams, Honda XRs, MT 125, etc. When I brought home my 135 Pursang, > > > she said, "Not that's a good looking bike." > > > > > > Bama Gary > > > > > > > > > ************ ** > > > Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops â€" > > > Shop Now! > > > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122269 6924x1201468348/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Faltfarm. mediaplex.
com%2Fad% 2Fck%2F12309% 2D81939%2D1629% 2D1 > > > ) > > > > > >
Where did you find the sticker?
There was a Sammy Miller frame kit for the 91 but it's not what you have. I
think that sticker was common on some Bultacos.
--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "gpaul_roberts" <gpaul_roberts@...> wrote:
>
> Just found an oval tank sticker,
>
> It says Sammy Miller Replica Winner 1965 67-68 Scotish Six day Trial.
>
> Would this explain the period after market parts? Does any one know if a
Sammy miller edition of an M91 existed?
>
> paul
>
>
>
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "gpaul_roberts" <gpaul_roberts@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the comments, it helps to know there are like minds out
there. Especially the on the fun to $ ratio and the tech tips like seals.
> >
> > Decision day + 6
> >
> > Continuing the saga, bultaco.com did me proud NOS lights wiring loom etc.
(with original stickers on). Bill turned into $ 745. I was very pleased to get
NOS and will continue until I get all NOS parts.
> >
> > Also surprising the license plate turned up which makes it street legal,
assuming that I get it started and can ride it to the local inspection place.
> >
> > One more pic of the parts uploaded, should be a good weekend, already warned
the wife I am going to be playing in the garage over the holiday break.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, got2@ wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:44:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > > alazgr8@ writes:
> > >
> > > > but when I uncover my Pursang it's a different story.
> > >
> > >
> > > To this I will agree. My wife knows nothing about motorcycles. I have
> > > Huskys, Can Ams, Honda XRs, MT 125, etc. When I brought home my 135
Pursang,
> > > she said, "Not that's a good looking bike."
> > >
> > > Bama Gary
> > >
> > >
> > > **************
> > > Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops â€"
> > > Shop Now!
> > >
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2\
F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1
> > > )
> > >
> >
>
Just found an oval tank sticker,
It says Sammy Miller Replica Winner 1965 67-68 Scotish Six day Trial.
Would this explain the period after market parts? Does any one know if a Sammy
miller edition of an M91 existed?
paul
--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "gpaul_roberts" <gpaul_roberts@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the comments, it helps to know there are like minds out there.
Especially the on the fun to $ ratio and the tech tips like seals.
>
> Decision day + 6
>
> Continuing the saga, bultaco.com did me proud NOS lights wiring loom etc.
(with original stickers on). Bill turned into $ 745. I was very pleased to get
NOS and will continue until I get all NOS parts.
>
> Also surprising the license plate turned up which makes it street legal,
assuming that I get it started and can ride it to the local inspection place.
>
> One more pic of the parts uploaded, should be a good weekend, already warned
the wife I am going to be playing in the garage over the holiday break.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, got2@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:44:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > alazgr8@ writes:
> >
> > > but when I uncover my Pursang it's a different story.
> >
> >
> > To this I will agree. My wife knows nothing about motorcycles. I have
> > Huskys, Can Ams, Honda XRs, MT 125, etc. When I brought home my 135
Pursang,
> > she said, "Not that's a good looking bike."
> >
> > Bama Gary
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops â€"
> > Shop Now!
> >
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2\
F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1
> > )
> >
>
Thanks for all the comments, it helps to know there are like minds out there.
Especially the on the fun to $ ratio and the tech tips like seals.
Decision day + 6
Continuing the saga, bultaco.com did me proud NOS lights wiring loom etc. (with
original stickers on). Bill turned into $ 745. I was very pleased to get NOS
and will continue until I get all NOS parts.
Also surprising the license plate turned up which makes it street legal,
assuming that I get it started and can ride it to the local inspection place.
One more pic of the parts uploaded, should be a good weekend, already warned the
wife I am going to be playing in the garage over the holiday break.
--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, got2@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:44:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
> alazgr8@... writes:
>
> > but when I uncover my Pursang it's a different story.
>
>
> To this I will agree. My wife knows nothing about motorcycles. I have
> Huskys, Can Ams, Honda XRs, MT 125, etc. When I brought home my 135 Pursang,
> she said, "Not that's a good looking bike."
>
> Bama Gary
>
>
> **************
> Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops â€"
> Shop Now!
>
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2\
F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1
> )
>
In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:44:35 AM Central Daylight Time, alazgr8@... writes:
but when I uncover my Pursang it's a different story.
To this I will agree. My wife knows nothing about motorcycles. I have Huskys, Can Ams, Honda XRs, MT 125, etc. When I brought home my 135 Pursang, she said, "Not that's a good looking bike."
Bama Gary
************** Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops – Shop Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1)
Couple things.
Nice bike. Getting something that complete is a huge challenge and for a
restoration, worth the additional cost.
Odometer readings on bikes this old are suspect as best. That being said, 212
isn't out of the realm of possibilities. Frame paint will disappear if you look
at it too hard.
Seat is wrong. Mobleys should have a new one for you. No, it's not cheap.
Sherpas are less than ideal on the road. Hopefully the 20 miles you intend to
commute are all dirt, rocks and trees. :-)
And lastly, I'd replace the lower end seals. Especially if you have any problems
getting it to run right.
--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@...> wrote:
>
> Needless to say I most likely paid too much, as purchased from a dealer. For
the sake of sharing it was base $ 1,900 and with TTL and shipping $2,300. Add
another $650 in spares books, manuals, spares, NOS lights etc. Doing mostly my
own work I might get finished for around $4,500. But we all know how projects
go.
>
> But its not the money. I just want to have a really nice Sherpa and intend to
ride it 20 odd miles a day to work and back when the weather is reaonable and
have some fun on the weekends.
>
> paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rick <alazgr8@...>
> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 11:20:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not
>
>
>
>
>
> It looks pretty good for a 30 year old bike. Depending on how much you paid,
would make it even sweeter. Have fun!!
>
> Rick
>
> --- On Wed, 7/1/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo..com> wrote:
>
>
> >From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not
> >To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com
> >Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 8:59 PM
> >
> >
> >The only thing that indicates perhaps more use then is shown would be the
worn off paint near the foot pegs/frame area. But the bike looks quite nice. You
could have done alot worse. Besides, if you take the time, it would appear that
it should be a fairly easy resto. Nice bike regardless of the actual details.
Should be fun.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@ yahoo.com>
> >To: teambultaco@ yahoogroups. com
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:35:53 PM
> >Subject: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not [5 Attachments]
> >
> >[Attachment(s) from G Paul Roberts included below]
> >
> >
> >Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break,
and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is
a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period
(I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear
mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
> >
> >Tires look to be immaculate and are "Full Bores" tried looking up serial
numbers a a potential clue as to if the stories are true. If anyone knows how
to find serial numbers by year please let me know. Dealer sold it to me, and
as does have a title I have registered it for Road use, Title would appear to
support the one owner in a collection story.
> >
> >Ordered NOS lights, license plate holder and wiring loom to make it street
legal. As well as carb kit, air filter and ignition kit. Should be a good
project for over the weekend.
> >
> >Here are a couple of pictures, will repost when it starts up......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Attachment(s) from G Paul Roberts
> >5 of 5 Photo(s)
> >100_0650.JPG
> >100_0659.JPG
> >100_0654.JPG
> >100_0652.JPG
> >100_0655.JPG
> >
> >
>
Well if someone needs/is looking for a Model 92 Sherpa T. Here is a listing for one.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/mcy/1222371487.html
Alan
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com From: gpaul_roberts@... Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:02:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not
Should of put that on.
Its a model 91 (1973)
Paul
From: Fred Ziglar <fredz43@consolidated.net> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:11:09 AM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not
Looks decent. Seems to be about a model 80, 1972. Check toe first 2 digits (3 on later models) of the serial number on the frame neck and engine and go here to see the models:
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
Fred Z.
There are two secrets to success:
1. Never tell everything you know.
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.
The truth is, if you're are looking for cheap, go to Walmart. If you are looking for fun, vintage bikes are the way to go!! The fun to cost ratio is in your favor with vintage bikes, especially Bultaco's. Bultaco's are unique, and beautiful, parts and information is easy to come by and the cost is relatively inexpensive. I have several CZs, and no one has ever said they are beautiful, but when I uncover my Pursang it's a different story.
Rick
--- On Thu, 7/2/09, G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@...> wrote:
From: G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@...> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 6:10 AM
Needless to say I most likely paid too much, as purchased from a dealer. For the sake of sharing it was base $ 1,900 and with TTL and shipping $2,300. Add another $650 in spares books, manuals, spares, NOS lights etc. Doing mostly my own work I might get finished for around $4,500. But we all know how projects go.
But its not the money. I just want to have a really nice Sherpa and intend to ride it 20 odd miles a day to work and back when the weather is reaonable and have some fun on the weekends.
paul
From: Rick <alazgr8@yahoo. com> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 11:20:52 PM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not
It looks pretty good for a 30 year old bike. Depending on how much you paid, would make it even sweeter. Have fun!!
Rick
--- On Wed, 7/1/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 8:59 PM
The only thing that indicates perhaps more use then is shown would be the worn off paint near the foot pegs/frame area. But the bike looks quite nice. You could have done alot worse. Besides, if you take the time, it would appear that it should be a fairly easy resto. Nice bike regardless of the actual details. Should be fun.
From: G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@ yahoo.com> To: teambultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:35:53 PM Subject: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not [5 Attachments]
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
Tires look to be immaculate and are "Full Bores" tried looking up serial numbers a a potential clue as to if the stories are true. If anyone knows how to find serial numbers by year please let me know. Dealer sold it to me, and as does have a title I have registered it for Road use, Title would appear to support the one owner in a collection story.
Ordered NOS lights, license plate holder and wiring loom to make it street legal. As well as carb kit, air filter and ignition kit. Should be a good project for over the weekend.
Here are a couple of pictures, will repost when it starts up.......
Needless to say I most likely paid too much, as purchased from a dealer. For the sake of sharing it was base $ 1,900 and with TTL and shipping $2,300. Add another $650 in spares books, manuals, spares, NOS lights etc. Doing mostly my own work I might get finished for around $4,500. But we all know how projects go.
But its not the money. I just want to have a really nice Sherpa and intend to ride it 20 odd miles a day to work and back when the weather is reaonable and have some fun on the weekends.
paul
From: Rick <alazgr8@...> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 11:20:52 PM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not
It looks pretty good for a 30 year old bike. Depending on how much you paid, would make it even sweeter. Have fun!!
Rick
--- On Wed, 7/1/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 8:59 PM
The only thing that indicates perhaps more use then is shown would be the worn off paint near the foot pegs/frame area. But the bike looks quite nice. You could have done alot worse. Besides, if you take the time, it would appear that it should be a fairly easy resto. Nice bike regardless of the actual details. Should be fun.
From: G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@ yahoo.com> To: teambultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:35:53 PM Subject: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not [5 Attachments]
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
Tires look to be immaculate and are "Full Bores" tried looking up serial numbers a a potential clue as to if the stories are true. If anyone knows how to find serial numbers by year please let me know. Dealer sold it to me, and as does have a title I have registered it for Road use, Title would appear to support the one owner in a collection story.
Ordered NOS lights, license plate holder and wiring loom to make it street legal. As well as carb kit, air filter and ignition kit. Should be a good project for over the weekend.
Here are a couple of pictures, will repost when it starts up.......
From: Fred Ziglar <fredz43@...> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:11:09 AM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not
Looks decent. Seems to be about a model 80, 1972. Check toe first 2 digits (3 on later models) of the serial number on the frame neck and engine and go here to see the models:
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
Looks decent. Seems to be about a model 80, 1972. Check toe first 2
digits (3 on later models) of the serial number on the frame neck and
engine and go here to see the models:
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year
break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212
miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how
original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts
and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud
"Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during
the same time period.
It looks pretty good for a 30 year old bike. Depending on how much you paid, would make it even sweeter. Have fun!!
Rick
--- On Wed, 7/1/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@...> wrote:
From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@...> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 8:59 PM
The only thing that indicates perhaps more use then is shown would be the worn off paint near the foot pegs/frame area. But the bike looks quite nice. You could have done alot worse. Besides, if you take the time, it would appear that it should be a fairly easy resto. Nice bike regardless of the actual details. Should be fun.
From: G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@ yahoo.com> To: teambultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:35:53 PM Subject: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not [5 Attachments]
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
Tires look to be immaculate and are "Full Bores" tried looking up serial numbers a a potential clue as to if the stories are true. If anyone knows how to find serial numbers by year please let me know. Dealer sold it to me, and as does have a title I have registered it for Road use, Title would appear to support the one owner in a collection story.
Ordered NOS lights, license plate holder and wiring loom to make it street legal. As well as carb kit, air filter and ignition kit. Should be a good project for over the weekend.
Here are a couple of pictures, will repost when it starts up......
The only thing that indicates perhaps more use then is shown would be the worn off paint near the foot pegs/frame area. But the bike looks quite nice. You could have done alot worse. Besides, if you take the time, it would appear that it should be a fairly easy resto. Nice bike regardless of the actual details. Should be fun.
From: G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@...> To: teambultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:35:53 PM Subject: [TeamBultaco] rip off or not [5 Attachments]
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
Tires look to be immaculate and are "Full Bores" tried looking up serial numbers a a potential clue as to if the stories are true. If anyone knows how to find serial numbers by year please let me know. Dealer sold it to me, and as does have a title I have registered it for Road use, Title would appear to support the one owner in a collection story.
Ordered NOS lights, license plate holder and wiring loom to make it street legal. As well as carb kit, air filter and ignition kit. Should be a good project for over the weekend.
Here are a couple of pictures, will repost when it starts up......
Not sure how much you paid, but it seems to be in nice shape !!!
Have fun and good luck on the restore !!!
Mike
--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, G Paul Roberts <gpaul_roberts@...> wrote:
>
> Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break,
and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is
a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period
(I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear
mud "Mudder". Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
>
> Tires look to be immaculate and are "Full Bores" tried looking up serial
numbers a a potential clue as to if the stories are true. If anyone knows how
to find serial numbers by year please let me know. Dealer sold it to me, and
as does have a title I have registered it for Road use, Title would appear to
support the one owner in a collection story.
>
> Ordered NOS lights, license plate holder and wiring loom to make it street
legal. As well as carb kit, air filter and ignition kit. Should be a good
project for over the weekend.
>
> Here are a couple of pictures, will repost when it starts up......
>
Just bought my second Sherpa blind off the internet (After a 30 year break, and countless other bikes) bike advertised as one owner 212 miles only. It is a bit rough but I am in two minds on how original it is. Has a couple of period (I think) after market parts and mods, tires, exhaust and a Preston Petty rear mud "Mudder".. Sort of thing I might have done during the same time period.
Tires look to be immaculate and are "Full Bores" tried looking up serial numbers a a potential clue as to if the stories are true. If anyone knows how to find serial numbers by year please let me know. Dealer sold it to me, and as does have a title I have registered it for Road use, Title would appear to support the one owner in a collection story.
Ordered NOS lights, license plate holder and wiring loom to make it street legal. As well as carb kit, air filter and ignition kit. Should be a good project for over the weekend.
Here are a couple of pictures, will repost when it starts up......
Hey Steve, great to hear from you..
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---- Steve Walton <bultacowally@...> wrote:
> Â Hey guys. My name is Steve Walton and I've been a member here for a while
now but haven't had much to comment on up until now.In reguards to the gas/oil
ratio dilema that is currently being discussed I can tell you what I have
learned lately. Being involved with modern mx with my son riding a 125 2-stroke,
while the manufacturerer recommended 32-1 just about everyone I talked to,
whether they were just the father/mechanic or a reputable engine builder, they
pretty much all said the same thing...that a 32-1 mix was WAY to rich now adays
with modern oils... 40 or 50-1 was much more suitable. And that was running a
125cc at 10,000-12,000 RPM. Or you can go with what the Weavers at Hugh's
Bultaco recommends for Bultacos...52-1. I think they would know...they've only
been rebuilding the engines for 40-50 years. That's the ratio I've been running
in my 250 'sang with no problems. But this is one of those subjects that
everyone has their own opinions on and
> probably none of them are totally wrong, so you go with what works for you,
and use common sense. I will say that I have never heard of running 100-1
ratios in any 2 stroke, and I have been around all types of them for 40 years
now, even low reving engines like the Bultos but I suppose it is possible. One
final note...I have found it very helpful (although expensive) to run race
fuel (I use Sunoco Turbo Blue 110 octane) in the Bultacos that I own as they all
seem to have quite high compression ratios suitable for race fuel, and running a
lower octane fuel will absolutely make an engine run hot if it needs higher
octane. 'nuf said. Thanks for listening. Steve Walton bultacowally@...
>
>
>
Hey Fred, could you please give
us a specific height on the amount of oil you install in your forks? The
amount is as critical if not more so then the specific weight.
From: Fred Ziglar
<fredz43@...> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:16:28 AM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/expert
racer
The manual on my 121 Pursang says 30 wt oil. I find that 20 wt works
better for me.
Fred Z.
At 12:13 AM 6/29/2009, you wrote:
I got a good test on the
Betors today at the Grindingstone mx race.
I went with the same oil height(9 inches) 10wt and springs level with top
of tube. Sag was about 1.5 inches, w/rider.
Practice and 1st moto--approx 90 degrees--forks bottomed frequently
and rebounded a little too quickly.
2nd moto, I used 3/4 in spacers--compression preload just about
right. Bottomed a couple? of times, but rebound was much too fast this
time and topped out a lot. Temperature was now 105 degrees--friggin'
hot.
I'm thinking 10-15wt oil in cold temps. and 20wt if temps are
hotter. For my weight and springs,spacers 1/2-1in. depending on
track.
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau
<suziryder1000@...> wrote:
You can leave the forks on the bike if you wish. Just remove the
caps, remove the springs and collapse the forks.(You will need to support
the bike so it doesn't fall over upon removing the springs) fill
with fluid, work them up and down a few times to bleed the air out, then
double check the fluid level with the forks totally collapsed. Six inches
from the top. Then extend the forks, install the springs and caps.
Another aspect of the suspension to be tuned in is static sag.
Don't change more then one thing at a time, keep notes so you don't
do adjustments twice and give any given adjustment more then five minutes
of testing. It's worth the effort.
I should have this down by now, but I'm still struggling with my
Betor forks--oil amount/height and oil viscosity. Fork Mods?
What would be good a good starting point for a intermediate- expert
racer on a rough track? My forks seem to top-out too much. They feel fine
in the garage, but not on the track.
I weigh about 165 with gear on--int/expert racer.
Why didn't I ask Pomeroy about this over a cold one...?
The owners manual for the 120 and 121 says 200 cc of 30 wt. Current
method of measuring height of oil would be more accurate, but I never did
measure, just filed with 200 cc.
Fred Z.
At 09:56 AM 6/29/2009, you wrote:
Hey Fred, could you please give
us a specific height on the amount of oil you install in your forks? The
amount is as critical if not more so then the specific weight.
From: Fred Ziglar
<fredz43@...> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:16:28 AM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/expert
racer
The manual on my 121 Pursang says 30 wt oil. I find that 20 wt works
better for me.
Fred Z.
At 12:13 AM 6/29/2009, you wrote:
I got a good test on the
Betors today at the Grindingstone mx race.
I went with the same oil height(9 inches) 10wt and springs level with top
of tube. Sag was about 1.5 inches, w/rider.
Practice and 1st moto--approx 90 degrees--forks bottomed frequently
and rebounded a little too quickly.
2nd moto, I used 3/4 in spacers--compression preload just about
right. Bottomed a couple? of times, but rebound was much too fast this
time and topped out a lot. Temperature was now 105 degrees--friggin'
hot.
I'm thinking 10-15wt oil in cold temps. and 20wt if temps are
hotter. For my weight and springs,spacers 1/2-1in. depending on
track.
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau
<suziryder1000@...> wrote:
You can leave the forks on the bike if you wish. Just remove the
caps, remove the springs and collapse the forks.(You will need to support
the bike so it doesn't fall over upon removing the springs) fill
with fluid, work them up and down a few times to bleed the air out, then
double check the fluid level with the forks totally collapsed. Six inches
from the top. Then extend the forks, install the springs and caps.
Another aspect of the suspension to be tuned in is static sag.
Don't change more then one thing at a time, keep notes so you don't
do adjustments twice and give any given adjustment more then five minutes
of testing. It's worth the effort.
I should have this down by now, but I'm still struggling with my
Betor forks--oil amount/height and oil viscosity. Fork Mods?
What would be good a good starting point for a intermediate- expert
racer on a rough track? My forks seem to top-out too much. They feel fine
in the garage, but not on the track.
I weigh about 165 with gear on--int/expert racer.
Why didn't I ask Pomeroy about this over a cold one...?
Hey Fred, could you please give us a specific height on the amount of oil you install in your forks? The amount is as critical if not more so then the specific weight.
From: Fred Ziglar <fredz43@...> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:16:28 AM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/expert racer
The manual on my 121 Pursang says 30 wt oil. I find that 20 wt works better for me.
Fred Z.
At 12:13 AM 6/29/2009, you wrote:
I got a good test on the Betors today at the Grindingstone mx race. I went with the same oil height(9 inches) 10wt and springs level with top of tube. Sag was about 1.5 inches, w/rider. Practice and 1st moto--approx 90 degrees--forks bottomed frequently and rebounded a little too quickly. 2nd moto, I used 3/4 in spacers--compression preload just about right. Bottomed a couple? of times, but rebound was much too fast this time and topped out a lot. Temperature was now 105 degrees--friggin' hot. I'm thinking 10-15wt oil in cold temps. and 20wt if temps are hotter. For my weight and springs,spacers 1/2-1in. depending on track.
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@...> wrote:
You can leave the forks on the bike if you wish. Just remove the caps, remove the springs and collapse the forks.(You will need to support the bike so it doesn't fall over upon removing the springs) fill with fluid, work them up and down a few times to bleed the air out, then double check the fluid level with the forks totally collapsed. Six inches from the top. Then extend the forks, install the springs and caps. Another aspect of the suspension to be tuned in is static sag.
Don't change more then one thing at a time, keep notes so you don't do adjustments twice and give any given adjustment more then five minutes of testing. It's worth the effort.
I should have this down by now, but I'm still struggling with my Betor forks--oil amount/height and oil viscosity. Fork Mods?
What would be good a good starting point for a intermediate- expert racer on a rough track? My forks seem to top-out too much. They feel fine in the garage, but not on the track.
I weigh about 165 with gear on--int/expert racer.
Why didn't I ask Pomeroy about this over a cold one...?
Does the manual call for the fluid level to be 9 inches from the top? would seem a little low. But whatever.
From: Robert Bergman <azpursang@...> To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/expert racer
I got a good test on the Betors today at the Grindingstone mx race. I went with the same oil height(9 inches) 10wt and springs level with top of tube. Sag was about 1.5 inches, w/rider. Practice and 1st moto--approx 90 degrees--forks bottomed frequently and rebounded a little too quickly. 2nd moto, I used 3/4 in spacers--compression preload just about right. Bottomed a couple? of times, but rebound was much too fast this time and topped out a lot. Temperature was now 105 degrees--friggin' hot. I'm thinking 10-15wt oil in cold temps. and 20wt if temps are hotter. For my weight and springs,spacers 1/2-1in. depending on track.
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@...> wrote:
From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@...> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/expert racer To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 1:24 PM
You can leave the forks on the bike if you wish. Just remove the caps, remove the springs and collapse the forks.(You will need to support the bike so it doesn't fall over upon removing the springs) fill with fluid, work them up and down a few times to bleed the air out, then double check the fluid level with the forks totally collapsed. Six inches from the top. Then extend the forks, install the springs and caps. Another aspect of the suspension to be tuned in is static sag.
Don't change more then one thing at a time, keep notes so you don't do adjustments twice and give any given adjustment more then five minutes of testing. It's worth the effort.
From: Robert Bergman <azpursang@yahoo. com> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:34:05 AM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/ expert racer
10wt, ok, I was going to try 15w instead of the 20wt that I have in now. 6 inches from the top, forks on bike right?
Thanks Stephen.
You going to Grindingstone this Sunday?
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/ expert racer To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 11:02 AM
10wt. and six inches from the top of the collapsed fork assembly with the spring removed. Or you can use ATF.
From: Robert Bergman <azpursang@yahoo. com> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17:17 AM Subject: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/ expert racer
I should have this down by now, but I'm still struggling with my Betor forks--oil amount/height and oil viscosity. Fork Mods? What would be good a good starting point for a intermediate- expert racer on a rough track? My forks seem to top-out too much. They feel fine in the garage, but not on the track. I weigh about 165 with gear on--int/expert racer. Why didn't I ask Pomeroy about this over a cold one...?
Rob
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The manual on my 121 Pursang says 30 wt oil. I find that 20 wt works
better for me.
Fred Z.
At 12:13 AM 6/29/2009, you wrote:
I got a good test on the
Betors today at the Grindingstone mx race.
I went with the same oil height(9 inches) 10wt and springs level with top
of tube. Sag was about 1.5 inches, w/rider.
Practice and 1st moto--approx 90 degrees--forks bottomed frequently
and rebounded a little too quickly.
2nd moto, I used 3/4 in spacers--compression preload just about
right. Bottomed a couple? of times, but rebound was much too fast this
time and topped out a lot. Temperature was now 105 degrees--friggin'
hot.
I'm thinking 10-15wt oil in cold temps. and 20wt if temps are
hotter. For my weight and springs,spacers 1/2-1in. depending on
track.
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau
<suziryder1000@...> wrote:
You can leave the forks on the bike if you wish. Just remove the
caps, remove the springs and collapse the forks.(You will need to support
the bike so it doesn't fall over upon removing the springs) fill
with fluid, work them up and down a few times to bleed the air out, then
double check the fluid level with the forks totally collapsed. Six inches
from the top. Then extend the forks, install the springs and caps.
Another aspect of the suspension to be tuned in is static sag.
Don't change more then one thing at a time, keep notes so you don't
do adjustments twice and give any given adjustment more then five minutes
of testing. It's worth the effort.
I should have this down by now, but I'm still struggling with my
Betor forks--oil amount/height and oil viscosity. Fork Mods?
What would be good a good starting point for a intermediate- expert
racer on a rough track? My forks seem to top-out too much. They feel fine
in the garage, but not on the track.
I weigh about 165 with gear on--int/expert racer.
Why didn't I ask Pomeroy about this over a cold one...?
I got a good test on the Betors today at the Grindingstone mx race. I went with the same oil height(9 inches) 10wt and springs level with top of tube. Sag was about 1.5 inches, w/rider. Practice and 1st moto--approx 90 degrees--forks bottomed frequently and rebounded a little too quickly. 2nd moto, I used 3/4 in spacers--compression preload just about right. Bottomed a couple? of times, but rebound was much too fast this time and topped out a lot. Temperature was now 105 degrees--friggin' hot. I'm thinking 10-15wt oil in cold temps. and 20wt if temps are hotter. For my weight and springs,spacers 1/2-1in. depending on track.
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@...> wrote:
From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@...> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/expert racer To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 1:24 PM
You can leave the forks on the bike if you wish. Just remove the caps, remove the springs and collapse the forks.(You will need to support the bike so it doesn't fall over upon removing the springs) fill with fluid, work them up and down a few times to bleed the air out, then double check the fluid level with the forks totally collapsed. Six inches from the top. Then extend the forks, install the springs and caps. Another aspect of the suspension to be tuned in is static sag.
Don't change more then one thing at a time, keep notes so you don't do adjustments twice and give any given adjustment more then five minutes of testing. It's worth the effort.
From: Robert Bergman <azpursang@yahoo. com> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:34:05 AM Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/ expert racer
10wt, ok, I was going to try 15w instead of the 20wt that I have in now. 6 inches from the top, forks on bike right?
Thanks Stephen.
You going to Grindingstone this Sunday?
--- On Fri, 6/26/09, stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: stephen gautreau <suziryder1000@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/ expert racer To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 11:02 AM
10wt. and six inches from the top of the collapsed fork assembly with the spring removed. Or you can use ATF.
From: Robert Bergman <azpursang@yahoo. com> To: TeamBultaco@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:17:17 AM Subject: [TeamBultaco] M120 Betor forks---int/ expert racer
I should have this down by now, but I'm still struggling with my Betor forks--oil amount/height and oil viscosity. Fork Mods? What would be good a good starting point for a intermediate- expert racer on a rough track? My forks seem to top-out too much. They feel fine in the garage, but not on the track. I weigh about 165 with gear on--int/expert racer. Why didn't I ask Pomeroy about this over a cold one...?
Rob
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Well I'ed best change my ways... A few gallons of fuel is a lot less than $400.
Thanks Gary
--- On Sun, 6/28/09, got2@... <got2@...> wrote:
From: got2@... <got2@...> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] Re: runs hot To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 5:33 PM
In a message dated 6/28/2009 2:53:44 PM Central Daylight Time, willytonibrown@ yahoo.com writes:
"'am I just lucky" ...?
Yes, very lucky. 15 years ago I had a 750 Honda Magna. Sat up all winter. Wouldn't start. Took to Honda dealer. Clean and put new gaskets, etc, $400.. I won't make that mistake again. Just to be sure, I run Marvel Mystery Oil through every fourth tank.
Bama Gary
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In a message dated 6/28/2009 2:53:44 PM Central Daylight Time, willytonibrown@... writes:
"'am I just lucky" ...?
Yes, very lucky. 15 years ago I had a 750 Honda Magna. Sat up all winter. Wouldn't start. Took to Honda dealer. Clean and put new gaskets, etc, $400. I won't make that mistake again. Just to be sure, I run Marvel Mystery Oil through every fourth tank.
Bama Gary
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In a message dated 6/28/2009 3:57:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, willytonibrown@... writes:
I must be a serious tight wad... I don't drain gas out of any bike. 2 or 4 stroke... I do run them about every 4 weeks through the winter. I'm sure all would run better if they were drained and just put fresh gas in when you want to ride... I have not had issues with pump gas in carbs... KLR 650, KTM 450, DR350, CZ's , TL 250 Honds's and Bultaco Alpina...
"'am I just lucky" ...?
CZWilly
--- On Sat, 6/27/09, got2@... <got2@...> wrote:
From: got2@... <got2@...> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] Re: runs hot To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 9:18 PM
In a message dated 6/26/2009 10:43:30 AM Central Daylight Time, alazgr8@yahoo. com writes:
Bama Gary,
How long is the longest you let no-mix and pre-mix age before you won't use it in your bikes? I
Rick
Since I run primarily AHRMA races, there can be quite some time between events. Even with StaBil I don't like to go more than 4 - 6 weeks. Others have told me that when you add StaBil, the gas will not deteriorate any more than it has to that point. I have left gas with StaBil in my street bike (four stroke) for 2 -3 months and it did not gum up the carburetors. And, it seems to run fine.
Bama Gary
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I must be a serious tight wad... I don't drain gas out of any bike. 2 or 4 stroke... I do run them about every 4 weeks through the winter. I'm sure all would run better if they were drained and just put fresh gas in when you want to ride... I have not had issues with pump gas in carbs... KLR 650, KTM 450, DR350, CZ's , TL 250 Honds's and Bultaco Alpina...
"'am I just lucky" ...?
CZWilly
--- On Sat, 6/27/09, got2@... <got2@...> wrote:
From: got2@... <got2@...> Subject: Re: [TeamBultaco] Re: runs hot To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 9:18 PM
In a message dated 6/26/2009 10:43:30 AM Central Daylight Time, alazgr8@yahoo. com writes:
Bama Gary,
How long is the longest you let no-mix and pre-mix age before you won't use it in your bikes? I
Rick
Since I run primarily AHRMA races, there can be quite some time between events. Even with StaBil I don't like to go more than 4 - 6 weeks. Others have told me that when you add StaBil, the gas will not deteriorate any more than it has to that point. I have left gas with StaBil in my street bike (four stroke) for 2 -3 months and it did not gum up the carburetors. And, it seems to run fine.
Bama Gary
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