Wrong. No problem with AHRMA on those.

At 12:44 AM 2/1/2008, you wrote:

>too modern, AHRMA will probably throw them out and disqualify you.
>
>gary
>
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Here's a true story about the ASV "Unbreakable" levers. A friend of my son's, a
local OC kid, was coming back from riding. His truck had the recessed hook style
tie down anchors on the bed rails of his truck rather than loop style. He hit a
depression on the freeway and as his full size truck suspension compressed then
rebounded, one of the tie downs came off, and his bike got flung out of his
truck onto the freeway at 70mph. First a Mercedes Benz hit his modern Suzuki, 
then a truck went completely over his bike. He was able to recover his bike, but
the only thing not demolished on the bike was his ASV levers.

   There's a happy ending to the story... ASV heard about his bike, and bought
him a brand new bike of his choice, in trade for his demolished Suzuki. They
have the bike  displayed at a large motorcycle accessory shop (Cycle Parts in
Stanton, CA.) to  advertise their levers.

   Rick



Mike Borseth <colorgraphics1@...> wrote:
           Hey Tom, I just installed AVS unbreakable levers om my Pursang
and really love em'. Kinda pricey, but really well thougt out and
functional. No more broken levers in a dreaded tipover. The blade is a
2 piece machined billet affair with a spring that allows the lever to
fold back around in a crash. Also the blade distance to the bar is
adjustable. Maguras always seemed too far of a reach for me and I've
got huge hands, so being able to bring the blade in is nice!
About $50 each for the ones I bought but guarenteed for 1 year and
they sell all the parts seperatly too. You can also find factory
referbs on Ebay for way less all the time. I love mine!
Check em' out..I'll post a "new file link"with pics of mine right
after this.
Here's their website http://www.asvinventions.com/

- Gonzo

> Hi Guys-Awesome group!
>
> I recently picked up a Pursang 370 that I intend to race some
vintage
> mx on. I remember from the last time I raced a Pursang (27 yrs ago)
> that the stock bars and levers, though adequate could be imrpoved.
Can
> anyone share their experience with replacement controls that provide
> for more comfort, adjustability and performance?
>
> Also-I haven't read the AHRMA rule book-they will allow for non
> original bars (like Pro-Tapers), correct?
>
> Thank you very much for any response or advice.
>
> Tom
>






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too modern, AHRMA will probably throw them out and disqualify you.

   gary

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Hey Tom, I just installed AVS unbreakable levers om my Pursang
and really love em'. Kinda pricey, but really well thougt out and
functional. No more broken levers in a dreaded tipover. The blade is a
2 piece machined billet affair with a spring that allows the lever to
fold back around in a crash. Also the blade distance to the bar is
adjustable. Maguras always seemed too far of a reach for me and I've
got huge hands, so being able to bring the blade in is nice!
About $50 each for the ones I bought but guarenteed for 1 year and
they sell all the parts seperatly too. You can also find factory
referbs on Ebay for way less all the time. I love mine!
Check em' out..I'll post a "new file link"with pics of mine right
after this.
Here's their website    http://www.asvinventions.com/

- Gonzo

> Hi Guys-Awesome group!
>
> I recently picked up a Pursang 370 that I intend to race some
vintage
> mx on. I remember from the last time I raced a Pursang (27 yrs ago)
> that the stock bars and levers, though adequate could be imrpoved.
Can
> anyone share their experience with replacement controls that provide
> for more comfort, adjustability and performance?
>
> Also-I haven't read the AHRMA rule book-they will allow for non
> original bars (like Pro-Tapers), correct?
>
> Thank you very much for any response or advice.
>
> Tom
>

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Hey Steve, I have an M87 350 which I believe is identical to the M104.
I'll post a pic of my pipe mounts.Mine is just an 8mm bolt through
the frame gusset and on through the pipe mount, with a rubber washer
between the frame and pipe mount. My pipe is a Circle F. Very nice
pipe and fits well. Highly recommended. Follow the link in the
next "New File Uploaded" post for the pics....good luck!
- Gonzo



> I'm assembling a basket-case M104. If anyone has one I need to see
a
> photo of the rubber-mounted bracket just behind the footpeg.
>
> Also, I need a silencer for it. I'll probably wind up finding a
> universal silencer about a foot long and just weld it to the pipe.
But
> if anyone has the correct one, I'll buy it.
>
> We're trying to be ready for Diamond Don's AHRMA National this year
and
> while I'll be riding my trusty Alpina in the trials, the M104 will
be
> Krista's first motocross ride. What a way to start, riding a
National
> on a 350 Pursang!
>
> Steve Elms
>

yes it was missing. it must have fell out.
   i have a 3/16 bearing. do you think that will be ok the rod fits,
   and it sticks out enough for the clutch opr. shaft
   to hit the rod .I just droped it in before the rod. (Is that right?)
   I will have to wate tell I have the clutch cable and handle
   to see if it will ingage the clutch.
   DH.

"morgan d." <morgantor@...> wrote:
           > That was me DH. MD. the cluch rod I have is also 7 3/8"
> it does not come out far enough for the cluch opr.

Is your single ball bearing missing?
I dropped mine on dismantling it and had to spend 10 min on the floor
looking for it. It would explain a few things... anyone else..? Am I on
the right train of thought..?

MD.






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Dave,

Your message was delayed because Yahoo thought it was spam. Can you
take a pic of the feather adapter you used to clean the rust off your
fork tubes? Where did you buy it, and how much

Rick



David Hills <davidhills@...> wrote: I just cleaned them up with a soft
feather adapter on my drill.  it cleanded it up nice.
>   David
>
Rick <alazgr8@...> wrote: David, The bike looks awesome, great job on
the resto. Who did you have re-chrome your fork tubes? Are you happy
with them?

I just cleaned them up with a soft feather adapter on my drill.
   it cleanded it up nice.
   David

Rick <alazgr8@...> wrote:
           David,

The bike looks awesome, great job on the resto. Who did you have re-
chrome your fork tubes? Are you happy with them?

Rick

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "David Hills" <davidhills@...>
wrote:
>
> I just got my fuel tank back from Edwin James.
> Its better then new he did a very good job on
> my tank. check it out on the photo page under
> Restore. my pics are on two pages.
> Dave
>






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where does one procure "faster" handlebars? I'll take two please.


----- Original Message ----
From: friesen_dave <davefriesen@...>
To: TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:33:54 PM
Subject: [TeamBultaco] Re: Pursang Controls for Racing

I think because bars were commonly changed, even when the bikes were new.

AHRMA typically looks at the major components, (frame, engine) and ignores parts
that
would typically be replaced with "excessive use" (rims, handlebars, fenders).

I don't think handlebars will provide a significant performance increase, but if
they do,
dang if I ain't tryin' some faster bars. ;-)

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "Reese Dengler" <reese.dengler@...> wrote:
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Fitch" <tfitch370@> wrote:
> Can anyone share their experience with replacement controls that
> provide for more comfort, adjustability and performance? Also-I haven't
> read the AHRMA rule book-they will allow for non original bars (like
> Pro-Tapers), correct?
>
> Tom:
>
> While not Spanish parts, Northwest Maico & CZ has Magura Levers and
> Perches that were modified for ATK. The Perches have the pivot point
> moved for a higher leverage ratio, (close to the stock CZ Lever). These
> modified Magura levers have a higher leverage ratio then any
> other "vintage" style bolt on Lever/Perch assy's.
>
> As far as AHRMA alowing Pro-Tapers, yes and you see quite a few guys
> running those at AHRMA races.
>
> Reese
>






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I think because bars were commonly changed, even when the bikes were new.

AHRMA typically looks at the major components, (frame, engine) and ignores parts
that
would typically be replaced with "excessive use" (rims, handlebars, fenders).

I don't think handlebars will provide a significant performance increase, but if
they do,
dang if I ain't tryin' some faster bars. ;-)

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "Reese Dengler" <reese.dengler@...> wrote:
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Fitch" <tfitch370@> wrote:
> Can anyone share their experience with replacement controls that
> provide for more comfort, adjustability and performance? Also-I haven't
> read the AHRMA rule book-they will allow for non original bars (like
> Pro-Tapers), correct?
>
> Tom:
>
> While not Spanish parts, Northwest Maico & CZ has Magura Levers and
> Perches that were modified for ATK. The Perches have the pivot point
> moved for a higher leverage ratio, (close to the stock CZ Lever). These
> modified Magura levers have a higher leverage ratio then any
> other "vintage" style bolt on Lever/Perch assy's.
>
> As far as AHRMA alowing Pro-Tapers, yes and you see quite a few guys
> running those at AHRMA races.
>
> Reese
>

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Fitch" <tfitch370@...> wrote:
Can anyone share their experience with replacement controls that
provide for more comfort, adjustability and performance? Also-I haven't
read the AHRMA rule book-they will allow for non original bars (like
Pro-Tapers), correct?

Tom:

While not Spanish parts, Northwest Maico & CZ has Magura Levers and
Perches that were modified for ATK. The Perches have the pivot point
moved for a higher leverage ratio, (close to the stock CZ Lever). These
modified Magura levers have a higher leverage ratio then any
other "vintage" style bolt on Lever/Perch assy's.

As far as AHRMA alowing Pro-Tapers, yes and you see quite a few guys
running those at AHRMA races.

Reese

Hi Guys-Awesome group!

I recently picked up a Pursang 370 that I intend to race some vintage
mx on. I remember from the last time I raced a Pursang (27 yrs ago)
that the stock bars and levers, though adequate could be imrpoved. Can
anyone share their experience with replacement controls that provide
for more comfort, adjustability and performance?

Also-I haven't read the AHRMA rule book-they will allow for non
original bars (like Pro-Tapers), correct?

Thank you very much for any response or advice.

Tom

Dave, thanks for the link, interesting stuff. The Portus/Montesa engine
looks huge and heavy, no wonder it didn't make it.

Tim, it does kinda look like a late 199 series frame, although a bit
modified. It seems that the modification / construction was made by an
Austrian company, more or less with the blessing of the factory, as the
flier is printed with their logo and address. Another dead duck I guess...

Denis


Tim Fulcher a écrit :
>
> That's a real enigma. It doesn't seem to have much to with a normal
> Sherpa. Frame seems completely different, only a Sherpa tank & wheels.
>
>

You might want to try these guys for the silencer. I think the Circle F stuff is
suppose to be
pretty good.

http://www.amsracing.com/parts/spanishstuff.htm

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "steve elms" <selms@...> wrote:
>
> I'm assembling a basket-case M104. If anyone has one I need to see a
> photo of the rubber-mounted bracket just behind the footpeg.
>
> Also, I need a silencer for it. I'll probably wind up finding a
> universal silencer about a foot long and just weld it to the pipe. But
> if anyone has the correct one, I'll buy it.
>
> We're trying to be ready for Diamond Don's AHRMA National this year and
> while I'll be riding my trusty Alpina in the trials, the M104 will be
> Krista's first motocross ride. What a way to start, riding a National
> on a 350 Pursang!
>
> Steve Elms
>

I'm assembling a basket-case M104. If anyone has one I need to see a
photo of the rubber-mounted bracket just behind the footpeg.

Also, I need a silencer for it. I'll probably wind up finding a
universal silencer about a foot long and just weld it to the pipe. But
if anyone has the correct one, I'll buy it.

We're trying to be ready for Diamond Don's AHRMA National this year and
while I'll be riding my trusty Alpina in the trials, the M104 will be
Krista's first motocross ride. What a way to start, riding a National
on a 350 Pursang!

Steve Elms

That's a real enigma. It doesn't seem to have much to with a normal
Sherpa. Frame seems completely different, only a Sherpa tank & wheels.

Link to thread over at Trials Central...

http://tinyurl.com/2eg5zk

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, Denis Glenard <denisglenard@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, it would be nice to have comments from anybody who's seen or
> tried one !
>
> friesen_dave a écrit :
> >
> > If you want I can post those pics over on TrialsCentral. Someone there
> > will know.
> >
> > --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TeamBultaco%40yahoogroups.com>, Denis Glenard
> > <denisglenard@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just found these pictures o a 4 stroke rotax engine 350cc SherpaT and
> > > I uploaded them to the photos section.
> > > Never even heard of it before... guess they didn't save the company
> > with it.
> > >
> > > Also, from a spanish fan, a short video of a 199A restoration on
> > youtube :
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeppBwzdgBI
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeppBwzdgBI>
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, Denis Glenard <denisglenard@...>
wrote:Also, from a spanish fan, a short video of a 199A restoration on
youtube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeppBwzdgBI

On the tank and side pannels I wonder if he painted them or if he just
replaced the old items with NOS parts?

Thanks, it would be nice to have comments from anybody who's seen or
tried one !

friesen_dave a écrit :
>
> If you want I can post those pics over on TrialsCentral. Someone there
> will know.
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:TeamBultaco%40yahoogroups.com>, Denis Glenard
> <denisglenard@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just found these pictures o a 4 stroke rotax engine 350cc SherpaT and
> > I uploaded them to the photos section.
> > Never even heard of it before... guess they didn't save the company
> with it.
> >
> > Also, from a spanish fan, a short video of a 199A restoration on
> youtube :
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeppBwzdgBI
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeppBwzdgBI>
> >
> > Denis
> >
>
>

If you want I can post those pics over on TrialsCentral. Someone there will
know.

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, Denis Glenard <denisglenard@...> wrote:
>
> I just found these pictures o a 4 stroke rotax engine 350cc SherpaT and
> I uploaded them to the photos section.
> Never even heard of it before... guess they didn't save the company with it.
>
> Also, from a spanish fan, a short video of a 199A restoration on youtube :
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeppBwzdgBI
>
> Denis
>

I just found these pictures o a 4 stroke rotax engine 350cc SherpaT and
I uploaded them to the photos section.
Never even heard of it before... guess they didn't save the company with it.

Also, from a spanish fan, a short video of a 199A restoration on youtube :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeppBwzdgBI

Denis

That bearing cone looks like a standard Timkin taper bearing that is
available from McMaster Carr as a set.
If the cup is 52mm OD and the overall is 16.25mm when asembled as a
set. (25mm id x52mm od x16.25mm length)
www.mcmaster.com
Part # 6677K57
I use McMaster Carr all the time for work and home toys.
If the bearing overall axial length is a bit too long you can have
the cup shoulder relieved to set deeper in the frame head.
Robert

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I thought he had previously mentioned the ball bearing... but I could be wrong.

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "morgan d." <morgantor@...> wrote:
>
> > That was me DH. MD. the cluch rod I have is also 7 3/8"
> > it does not come out far enough for the cluch opr.
>
> Is your single ball bearing missing?
> I dropped mine on dismantling it and had to spend 10 min on the floor
> looking for it. It would explain a few things... anyone else..? Am I on
> the right train of thought..?
>
> MD.
>

> That was me DH. MD. the cluch rod I have is also 7 3/8"
> it does not come out far enough for the cluch opr.

Is your single ball bearing missing?
I dropped mine on dismantling it and had to spend 10 min on the floor
looking for it. It would explain a few things... anyone else..? Am I on
the right train of thought..?

MD.

Thanks Rick!



Rick <alazgr8@...> wrote:
           Hi Tom,

Welcome to TeamBultaco.

Rick

friesen_dave <davefriesen@...> wrote:
Welcome to Tom Fitch.

Tom has been an enthusiast for many years. We're looking forward to hearing
about his
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Hi Dave-

   Thanks for the warm welcome.

   As I begin my latest Pursang project, i am hoping i can tap into the expertise
of this cool community!

   Thanks again-Tom

friesen_dave <davefriesen@...> wrote:
           Welcome to Tom Fitch.

Tom has been an enthusiast for many years. We're looking forward to hearing
about his
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--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, Morgantor <morgantor@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks... Also FYI I've heard from Lynn Mobily and my machinist
both that if
> you're replacing the lower rod bearing you need to change the pin
and rod
> too... Was told the bearing is the strongest part of the setup...
So if
> there's slop in the setup... It's not the bearing. I didn't know...
>
> MD.
>
> PS- who was asking about M85 clutch rods..??? Found mine this
weekend and it
> is a solid one piece rod 7 3/8" long.
>
> On 1/28/08 4:09 PM, "David Hills" <davidhills@...> wrote:
That was me DH. MD. the cluch rod I have is also 7 3/8"
it does not come out far enough for the cluch opr. shift
to move it. Boy I hate to have to rip in to my cluch to see if
anything is missing!
DH.
>
> > --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, Morgantor <morgantor@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yet another Bearing question...
> >> I'm taking my crank over to the machine shop to get rebuilt...
> >> Does anyone know the bearing size for the M85 Alpina setup..?
> >>
> >> Thanks all,
> >>
> >> MD.
> >>
> > MD> DH. here, I ordered mine from hughs.
> > the part# is 610-013-c(top) & 210-011 big end cage (bottom)210-
010 big
> > end roller
> > My books don't give the size just the part #.
> > DH.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, "David Hills" <davidhills@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In TeamBultaco@yahoogroups.com, Morgantor <morgantor@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yet another Bearing question...
> > I'm taking my crank over to the machine shop to get rebuilt...
> > Does anyone know the bearing size for the M85 Alpina setup..?
> >
> > Thanks all,
> >
> > MD.
> >
> MD> DH. here, I ordered mine from hughs.
> the part# is 610-013-c(top) & 210-011 big end cage (bottom)210-010
big
> end roller
> My books don't give the size just the part #.
> DH.
>
MD,Here is Hughs phone# (518) 851-7184
he might give you the size you need
DH.