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#44530 From: Lars Finsen <lars.finsen@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Skate] Re: Lee Seung-Hoon 		uttrediay
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Den 15. nov. 2009 kl. 19.31 skreiv krasotaspasetmir:
> I do not know whether there "culture" is to be
> blamed alone for this lack of Koreans on the
> longer distances, or if there may also be some
> "genetics" involved, with the gene pool producing
> more sprinters than stayers? I'm reminded of the
> (North) Korean Jong Song Ok, though, who won
> the World Championship in marathon in 1999 (?).
>

Yes, and Asians in general do seem to have good genes for long
distances requiring much aerobic capacity. In the early days of
Korean speedskating, when Korea still was under Japan, the best
Koreans were best at the longer distances, such as Seien Kin, for
example. After the war there was Hiyo Chang Lee, who skated 8.38,9 in
a 1948 Bislett meet, finishing 4th, ahead of Odd Lundberg and Hjalmar
Andersen. He was mentioned as a medal favourite before the European
(!) Championship, but failed there.

However, the Asian capacity for sprint is famous, probably related to
a higher genetic rate of talent for coordination. And their success
in the sprint of course leads to a strong cultural factor favouring
it as well.

LEF

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#44529 From: Nils Meland <nils.meland5@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:10 pm
Subject: RE: [Skate] new NRs this weekend 		nmeland2002
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Two more national sprint combination records from this weekend:
- Estonia: Marleen Sarap 202,600 (50,06-1.42,35-50,56-1.41,61) in Seinäjoki,
was 203,860 by Evelin Idarand from the Viking race in Heerenveen 2008
- Romania: Marius Paraschivoiu 147,560 (37,01-1.13,08-37,39-1.13,24) in
Calgary, was 151,525 by Marius Bãcilã from the world sprints at Hamar 2007

Nils Meland

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On Behalf Of gerardg53
Sent: 15. november 2009 23:43
To: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Skate] new NRs this weekend

This weekend 5 new NR:
- Australia: in Heerenveen Sophie Muir betters again her own 500m record of
last week from 40,10 to 39,68. She also improves her own 1.000m NR from
1.19,69 (last March in Calgary) to 1.19.54
- South Korea: Lee Seung-Hoon betters in Heerenveen the 4 year old 5.000m
record of Yeo Sang-Yeop in Salt Lake City from 6.28,49 to 6.25,03
- Rumania: Marius Paraschivoiu improves in Calgary on saturday both the 500m
and the 1.000m NR from 37,49 to 37,01 (old one by Cristian Mustatea also in
Calgary in November 2007) and from 1.13,45 to 1.13,08 (old one by Marius
Bacila in November 2005 in Salt Lake City)
Best regards,
Gerard



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#44528 From: "gerardg53" <gerardgraas@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:42 pm
Subject: new NRs this weekend 		gerardg53
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This weekend 5 new NR:
- Australia: in Heerenveen Sophie Muir betters again her own 500m record of last
week from 40,10 to 39,68. She also improves her own 1.000m NR from 1.19,69 (last
March in Calgary) to 1.19.54
- South Korea: Lee Seung-Hoon betters in Heerenveen the 4 year old 5.000m record
of Yeo Sang-Yeop in Salt Lake City from 6.28,49 to 6.25,03
- Rumania: Marius Paraschivoiu improves in Calgary on saturday both the 500m and
the 1.000m NR from 37,49 to 37,01 (old one by Cristian Mustatea also in Calgary
in November 2007) and from 1.13,45 to 1.13,08 (old one by Marius Bacila in
November 2005 in Salt Lake City)
Best regards,
Gerard

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#44527 From: "schaats1alex" <alex.dumas@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: It's over for Marianne Timmer? 		schaats1alex
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We have read many messages over Marianne Timmer, but Who can tell me about the
diagnose from Jin Yu (fall togehether with Marianne Timmer)


--- In Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com, "C. van Staaveren" <cvanstaaveren@...>
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> It's a broken heelbone, 3 months recovery
>
> On 15-11-2009 13:59:18, Hans Wilbrink (hanswilbrink@...) wrote:
> > Dutch tv: latest news about Marianne Timmer: broken ankle.
> >
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#44526 From: "IvoB" <bomstel@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: Lee Seung-Hoon 		ivovanbommel
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He has not a 10000 meter PB at the moment.
See:
http://www.speedskatingbase.eu/index.php?cat=home

gr.,
Ivo

--- In Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com, "krasotaspasetmir" <nils@...> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Zavo here, and we should very warmly
> welcome every Korean who skates well at distances
> longer than the 1500. Does this guy have a registred
> time on the 10k, by the way? I hope he comes to
> the World Allround.
>
> I do not know whether there "culture" is to be
> blamed alone for this lack of Koreans on the
> longer distances, or if there may also be some
> "genetics" involved, with the gene pool producing
> more sprinters than stayers? I'm reminded of the
> (North) Korean Jong Song Ok, though, who won
> the World Championship in marathon in 1999 (?).
>
> NLH
>
> > I was impressed with his 5K of 6.25 and I think he can do even better, his
last laps were his fastest laps. Apparently he comes from short track. Does
anybody know how good he was?
> >
> > Maybe Ahn should try long track too! (I read he didn't qualify for
Vancouver.)
> >
> > News article from Korea Times (more words on long track than on short
track!):
> >
> > http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sports/2009/11/136_55528.html
> >
> > Z
> >
>

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#44525 From: "krasotaspasetmir" <nils@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:05 pm
Subject: can the Norwegian Ladies make it to the OGTP? 		krasotaspase...
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Hege Bøkko, Maren Haugli, Ida Njåtun did an
ok TP job today, but I suppose their performance
reflect a lack of hard training on the
technicalities of the Trivial Pursuit.
They ended up last, #11, and it will be
a tough job for them to secure a place
among the top eight, with only two more
chances. They would need something like
at least top six on both these occasions,
which is not easy. Perhaps Mari Hemmer
(the reserve) has a bigger "motor" than
Njåtun? But such decisions are delicate.

Will they, and/or coach Peter Mueller, make
it a priority? Do they have a reasonable
chance, or should they just forget it?

The TP event remains a bit peculiar, but
is getting better, and admire the teams
and skaters that do it very well. Clearly
they enjoy it, so it must be here to stay.

And the Dutch "B team" for men managed
to win (shared with the USA), very impressive.
They have such a talent pool ...

NLH

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#44524 From: "Hans Wilbrink" <hanswilbrink@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:03 pm
Subject: RE: [Skate] Jan Ykema? 		amersfoort3822
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Ykema has his topyears in the period 1986-1989. Hij became famous because of his
‘pikstart’ (a quick picking start). Olympic Games Calgary 1988: silver medal
500 meter behind Uwe-Jens Mey.

In worldcups: 3x gold, 2x silver and 3x bronze.

Three times Dutch champion sprint and 3 times gold in the Dutch Distances Champ
(2x 1000 and 1x 500 m).

He stopped in 1989 when he was 26 years old. He became real estate manager.

In 2005 he came in the publicity with his story about to be a drug addict
(cocaine) for 15 years.

He is clean for some time and gives guestlessons at secondary schools about
addiction.

He came back in the speedskating world in September 2008 and helps the sprinters
of the team APPM.

Just a few days ago his biography was released: “Jan Ykema; Pikstart,
verslaving en comeback van een hypersprinterâ€.

Paperback  ca. 224 pag

ISBN 9789048200108

Prijs ca. € 19.90



   _____

Van: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com] Namens
krasotaspasetmir
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2009 19:35
Aan: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Skate] Jan Ykema?






What's the story with Jan Ykema (who won the
500 m silver in the 1988 Olympics)? This was
sort of referred to today by the Norwegian
television commentators (Ove Eriksen and Aadne
Soendraal, whose name is a joy to spell, even
when I asciify the three gorgeous Norwegian
wovels, to make sure they aren't gorgled up
by the transmission) -- how "deep down" was
Mr Ykema, and for how long? There was some
drug abuse? And now he's inside the speedskating
system again?

NLH





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#44523 From: "krasotaspasetmir" <nils@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: Jan Ykema? 		krasotaspase...
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What's the story with Jan Ykema (who won the
500 m silver in the 1988 Olympics)? This was
sort of referred to today by the Norwegian
television commentators (Ove Eriksen and Aadne
Soendraal, whose name is a joy to spell, even
when I asciify the three gorgeous Norwegian
wovels, to make sure they aren't gorgled up
by the transmission) -- how "deep down" was
Mr Ykema, and for how long? There was some
drug abuse? And now he's inside the speedskating
system again?

NLH

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#44522 From: "krasotaspasetmir" <nils@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: Lee Seung-Hoon 		krasotaspase...
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I agree with Zavo here, and we should very warmly
welcome every Korean who skates well at distances
longer than the 1500. Does this guy have a registred
time on the 10k, by the way? I hope he comes to
the World Allround.

I do not know whether there "culture" is to be
blamed alone for this lack of Koreans on the
longer distances, or if there may also be some
"genetics" involved, with the gene pool producing
more sprinters than stayers? I'm reminded of the
(North) Korean Jong Song Ok, though, who won
the World Championship in marathon in 1999 (?).

NLH

> I was impressed with his 5K of 6.25 and I think he can do even better, his
last laps were his fastest laps. Apparently he comes from short track. Does
anybody know how good he was?
>
> Maybe Ahn should try long track too! (I read he didn't qualify for Vancouver.)
>
> News article from Korea Times (more words on long track than on short track!):
>
> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sports/2009/11/136_55528.html
>
> Z
>

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#44521 From: Jean-François Lemonde <jflemonde@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:17 pm
Subject: Re : [Skate] Lee Seung-Hoon 		jflemonde
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I didn't remember his name, but yes he was a good shorttracker.

He took part in the 2008 world championships, finishing 4th overall and 1st on
the 3K.  The same year he also took part in the world team championship, skating
only the 3K ( whish he also won)

JF


--- En date de : Dim 15.11.09, zavo9 <zavo9@...> a écrit :

> De: zavo9 <zavo9@...>
> Objet: [Skate] Lee Seung-Hoon
> À: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Dimanche 15 Novembre 2009, 17h02
> I was impressed with his 5K of 6.25
> and I think he can do even better, his last laps were his
> fastest laps. Apparently he comes from short track. Does
> anybody know how good he was?
>
> Maybe Ahn should try long track too! (I read he didn't
> qualify for Vancouver.)
>
> News article from Korea Times (more words on long track
> than on short track!):
>
> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sports/2009/11/136_55528.html
>
> Z
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#44520 From: "zavo9" <zavo9@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: Lee Seung-Hoon 		zavo9
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I was impressed with his 5K of 6.25 and I think he can do even better, his last
laps were his fastest laps. Apparently he comes from short track. Does anybody
know how good he was?

Maybe Ahn should try long track too! (I read he didn't qualify for Vancouver.)

News article from Korea Times (more words on long track than on short track!):

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sports/2009/11/136_55528.html

Z

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#44519 From: "Marcel Warnaar" <mwarnaar@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: olympic qualification 		mfwarnaar
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Standings after Heerenveen:

These are the spots, countries are entitled to. Individual skaters have to
make qualification times to take part. Sometimes, a country does have spots,
but not enough skaters with qualification times. Or the other way round:
skaters who made the times, but from a country without spots.

R= one or more skaters on the reserve list
Y=Yes
N=No
0*= no spot earned because of this year's results, but entitled to 1 spot
because of last year's results.
# = not yet 3 skaters who made the qualification limit (which is an
obligation if you want to send a pursuit team)

Ladies 500-1000-1500-3000-5000-TP Men 500-1000-1500-5000-10000-TP

AUS 1-R-0-0-0-N  R-0-R-R-0-N
AUT 0-R-R-1-0N  0-0-0-0-0-N
BEL 0-0-0-0-0-N  0-0-0-R-0-N
BLR R-0-R-R-0-N  0-0-0-0-0-N
CAN 4-4-4-3-3-Y  4-4-4-3-0-Y
CHN 4-4-4-1R-0-Y  4-1R-1R-0-0-N
CZE 0-1-2-1-1-R#  0-0-0-0-0-N
DEN 0-0-0-1-0-N  0-0-0-0-0-N
FIN 0-0-0-0-0-N  4-1R-0-0-0-N
FRA 0-0-0-0-0-N  0-R-2-1-1-N
GER 4-4-4-3-2-Y  3R-4-3-3R-0*-R
ITA 1-1-R-0-0-N  1R-1R-2R-3-1-Y
JPN 4-4-4-3-2-Y  4-4-1R-1R-0-Y
KAZ 1-1-0-0-0-N  1R-1R-1R-1-0-N
KOR 4-3R-2R-3-0-Y  4-4-4-1R-1-R
NED 4-4-4-3-1-Y  4-4-4-3-3-Y
NOR R-1R-2-2-1-R  1R-3-4-3-1-Y
NZL 0-0-0-0-0-N  0-0-0-1-0-N
POL R-2-3R-3-0-R  2-3-3-2R-0-Y
ROU 0-R-0-0-0-N  0-0-0-0-0-N
RUS 4-4-4-1R-0-Y  4-4-4-2-1-R
SUI 0-0-0-0-0-N  0-0-0-0*-0-N
SWE 1-0-0-R-0-N  0-2-3-1-0-Y#
USA 4-3R-3R-3-0-Y  4-4-4-3-2-Y

More on http://sites.google.com/site/olqual2010/index

Marcel

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#44518 From: "C. van Staaveren" <cvanstaaveren@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Skate] It's over for Marianne Timmer? 		cvstaave
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It's a broken heelbone, 3 months recovery

On 15-11-2009 13:59:18, Hans Wilbrink (hanswilbrink@...) wrote:
> Dutch tv: latest news about Marianne Timmer: broken ankle.
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#44517 From: "Hans Wilbrink" <hanswilbrink@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: It's over for Marianne Timmer? 		amersfoort3822
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Dutch tv: latest news about Marianne Timmer: broken ankle.



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#44516 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: Updated 1000m women lowland season and all-time list 		dirk_p_broer
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Top-40 women lowland 1000m performances this season:
   1.15.41 NESBITT Christine    CAN Berlin      091107  1
   1.15.47     Nesbitt         ( 2) H'veen      091115  1
   1.15.92 KODAIRA Nao          JPN Berlin      091107  2
   1.16.03 GERRITSEN Annette    NED H'veen      091115  2
   1.16.08 BRUINTJES Natasja    NED H'veen      091115  3
   1.16.13 TIMMER Marianne      NED Berlin      091107  3
   1.16.26 BOER Margot          NED H'veen      091115  4
   1.16.57 WÜST Ireen           NED H'veen      091115  5
   1.16.62 GROVES Kristina      CAN H'veen      091115  6
   1.16.64 BOER Margot          NED Berlin      091107  4
       			 - 10-  -  9-
   1.16.67 SJIKHOVA Jekaterina  RUS Moskva      091024  1
   1.16.71 SCHUSSLER Brittany   CAN Berlin      091107  5
   1.16.72     Gerritsen       ( 2) Berlin      091107  6
   1.16.79     Kodaira         ( 2) Nagano      091024  1
   1.16.83     Gerritsen       ( 3) H'veen      091031  1
   1.16.84 ANGERMÜLLER Monique  GER Berlin      091107  7
   1.16.96 RICHARDSON Heather   USA Berlin      091107  8
   1.17.00 BRUINTJES Natasja    NED Erfurt      091023  1
   1.17.06 WÜST Ireen           NED Berlin      091107  1
   1.17.15     Kodaira         ( 3) Nagano      091016  1
			 - 20-  - 15-
   1.17.18     Boer M          ( 2) H'veen      091031  2
   1.17.19 FRIESINGER Anni      GER H'veen      091115  7
   1.17.20 WANG Beixing         CHN H'veen      091115  8
   1.17.23 GROVES Kristina      CAN Richmond    091019  1
   1.17.26     Timmer          ( 2) H'veen      091031  3
   1.17.28 WANG Beixing         CHN Berlin      091107  9
   1.17.34 YOSHII Sayuri        JPN Berlin      091107 10
   1.17.36 JIN Peiyu            CHN H'veen      091115  9
   1.17.37 RODRIGUEZ Jennifer   USA Berlin      091107 11
   1.17.41 van RIESSEN Laurine  NED H'veen      091031  4
			 - 30-  - 23-


Top-30 women lowland 1000m all-time performances:
   1.14.81 FRIESINGER Anni      GER Hamar       080127  1
   1.15.12     Friesinger      ( 2) Hamar       070120  1
   1.15.13     Friesinger      ( 3) Hamar       070121  1
   1.15.17     Friesinger      ( 4) Berlin      051030  1
   1.15.20 WÜST Ireen           NED Hamar       070121  2
   1.15.29     Wüst            ( 2) Hamar       070120  2
   1.15.34     Friesinger      ( 5) H'veen      071209  1
   1.15.37     Friesinger      ( 6) Nagano      080309  1
   1.15.41 NESBITT Christine    CAN Berlin      091107  1
   1.15.46     Wüst            ( 3) H'veen      060304  1
			 - 10-  -  3-
   1.15.49 KLASSEN Cindy        CAN Hamar       070121  3
   1.15.50 RODRIGUEZ Jennifer   USA Milwaukee   051126  1
   1.15.52     Rodriguez       ( 2) Erfurt      050212  1
   1.15.53     Friesinger      ( 7) Berlin      061119  1
   1.15.57     Klassen         ( 2) Hamar       070120  3
   1.15.57     Friesinger      ( 8) H'veen      080224  1
   1.15.58 TIMMER Marianne      NED Erfurt      050213  1
   1.15.58     Friesinger      ( 9) H'veen      080119  1
   1.15.59     Wüst            ( 4) H'veen      080120  1
   1.15.60 SIMIONATO Chiara     ITA Milwaukee   051127  1
			 - 20-  -  7-
   1.15.61     Friesinger      (10) Erfurt      090201  1
   1.15.62     Simionato       ( 2) Erfurt      050213  2
   1.15.64     Friesinger      (11) Erfurt      071216  1
   1.15.64     Wüst            ( 5) H'veen      080119  2
   1.15.65     Rodriguez       ( 3) H'veen      050219  1
   1.15.66     Nesbitt         ( 2) H'veen      071209  2
   1.15.68     Rodriguez       ( 4) Milwaukee   051127  2
   1.15.71     Friesinger      (12) Erfurt      071215  1
   1.15.73     Kotjuga         ( 8) Erfurt      050212  2
   1.15.75     Friesinger      (27) H'veen      060304  2
			 - 30-  -  7-

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#44515 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:05 pm
Subject: Updated 1000m men lowland season and all-time list 		dirk_p_broer
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Including the Groothuis winning time in the B-Group this morning

This season lowland top-30 best performances on the 1000m:
   1.08.53 DAVIS Shani          USA Berlin      091106  1
   1.08.85     Davis           ( 2) Milwaukee   091022  1
   1.08.89 GROOTHUIS Stefan     NED H'veen      091115  1
   1.09.11 LALENKOV Jevgenij    RUS Berlin      091106  2
   1.09.23 KUIPERS Simon        NED H'veen      091023  1
   1.09.30     Groothuis       ( 2) H'veen      091031  1
   1.09.43 TUITERT Mark         NED H'veen      091023  2
   1.09.43 MOON Jun             KOR Berlin      091106  3
   1.09.51     Tuitert         ( 2) Berlin      091106  4
   1.09.53     Kuipers S       ( 2) H'veen      091031  2
			 - 10-  -  6-
   1.09.57     Tuitert         ( 3) H'veen      091031  3
   1.09.62 OLDE HEUVEL Remco    NED H'veen      091010  1
   1.09.62     Lalenkov        ( 2) Moskva      091024  1
   1.09.65 PEARSON Nick         USA Milwaukee   091025  1
   1.09.71 ELGERSMA Lars        NED H'veen      091031  4
   1.09.72 HEDRICK Chad         USA Berlin      091106  5
   1.09.74 BOS Jan              NED Erfurt      091023  1
   1.09.74 MARSICANO Trevor     USA Milwaukee   091025  2
   1.09.74 MORRISON Denny       CAN Berlin      091106  6
   1.09.75 MO Tae-Bum           KOR Berlin      091106  7
			 - 20-  - 14-
   1.09.78     Bos J           ( 2) Berlin      091106  8
   1.09.84     Groothuis       ( 3) Erfurt      091010  1
   1.09.86 NIJENHUIS Beorn      NED Berlin      091106  9
   1.09.86 POUTALA Mika         FIN Berlin      091106 10
   1.09.90     Nijenhuis       ( 2) H'veen      091031  5
   1.09.91     Morrison D      ( 2) Richmond    091018  1
   1.09.95 LEE Kyu-Hyuk         KOR Seoul       091023  1
   1.10.01     Pearson         ( 2) Milwaukee   091022  2
   1.10.01     Olde Heuvel R   ( 2) H'veen      091031  6
   1.10.03     Kuipers S       ( 3) H'veen      091003  1
			 - 30-  - 17-


All-time lowland top-59 (all under 1.09.01):
   1.08.38 DAVIS Shani          USA Hamar       070121  1
   1.08.39     Davis           ( 2) H'veen      071209  1
   1.08.40     Davis           ( 3) Erfurt      090201  1
   1.08.41     Davis           ( 4) Hamar       070120  1
   1.08.43     Davis           ( 5) Milwaukee   051127  1
   1.08.53 MORRISON Denny       CAN Kolomna     090125  1
   1.08.53     Davis           ( 6) Berlin      091106  1
   1.08.56 LEE Kyu-Hyuk         KOR Hamar       070120  2
   1.08.56     Morrison D      ( 2) Hamar       080127  1
   1.08.58 KUIPERS Simon        NED Hamar       080127  2
			 - 10-  -  4-
   1.08.59 WOTHERSPOON Jeremy   CAN Hamar       080127  3
   1.08.63     Davis           ( 7) H'veen      080224  1
   1.08.66     Davis           ( 8) Moskva      090118  1
   1.08.67 WENNEMARS Erben      NED Hamar       070120  3
   1.08.67 GROOTHUIS Stefan     NED Kolomna     090125  2
   1.08.68 CHEEK Joey           USA Milwaukee   051127  2
   1.08.68     Morrison D      ( 3) Hamar       070120  4
   1.08.69     Lee Ky-H        ( 2) Hamar       070121  2
   1.08.69 MOON Jun             KOR Hamar       080127  4
   1.08.71     Morrison D      ( 4) H'veen      071209  2
			 - 20-  -  9-
   1.08.71     Morrison D      ( 5) Kolomna     090124  1
   1.08.74     Davis           ( 9) Milwaukee   081024  1
   1.08.75     Morrison D      ( 6) H'veen      080224  2
   1.08.77     Morrison D      ( 7) Moskva      090118  2
   1.08.78     Morrison D      ( 8) Hamar       070121  3
   1.08.78     Morrison D      ( 9) Erfurt      090201  2
   1.08.79     Wennemars       ( 2) Hamar       070121  4
   1.08.80     Lee Ky-H        ( 3) H'veen      071209  3
   1.08.80     Wennemars       ( 3) H'veen      071209  3
   1.08.82     Lee Ky-H        ( 4) H'veen      080120  1
			 - 30-  -  9-
   1.08.82     Groothuis       ( 2) H'veen      081101  1
   1.08.83 NIJENHUIS Beorn      NED Hamar       070121  5
   1.08.84     Davis           (10) Moskva      090117  1
   1.08.85     Davis           (11) Milwaukee   091022  1
   1.08.88     Wennemars       ( 4) Berlin      061119  1
   1.08.88 LOBKOV Dmitri        RUS Kolomna     070112  1
   1.08.89     Davis           (12) Torino      060218  1
   1.08.89     Groothuis       ( 3) H'veen      091115  1
   1.08.91     Davis           (13) H'veen      060304  1
   1.08.91     Davis           (14) H'veen      070127  1
			 - 40-  - 11-
   1.08.92 POUTALA Mika         FIN Hamar       080127  5
   1.08.92     Davis           (15) Nagano      081214  1
   1.08.93     Wotherspoon     ( 2) Milwaukee   051126  2
   1.08.93     Kuipers         ( 2) Moskva      090117  2
   1.08.94 BOS Jan              NED H'veen      080120  2
   1.08.96     Nijenhuis       ( 2) Hamar       070120  5
   1.08.96     Lee Ky-H        ( 5) Hamar       080127  6
   1.08.96 MARSICANO Trevor     USA Richmond    090313  1
   1.08.97 LALENKOV Jevgenij    RUS Kolomna     070324  1
   1.08.97     Groothuis       ( 3) Kolomna     090124  2
			 - 50-  - 15-
   1.08.98     Wennemars       ( 5) H'veen      070127  2
   1.08.98     Davis           (16) H'veen      070128  1
   1.08.98     Bos J           ( 2) Erfurt      071216  1
   1.08.99     Bos J           ( 3) H'veen      071209  5
   1.08.99     Davis           (17) Nagano      080308  1
   1.08.99     Davis           (18) H'veen      081116  1
   1.09.00     Bos J           ( 4) H'veen      060304  2
   1.09.00     Lalenkov        ( 2) Hamar       070120  6
   1.09.00     Morrison D      (10) Richmond    090313  2

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#44514 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:54 am
Subject: top-30 1000m women lowland performances, season and all-time 		dirk_p_broer
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Top-30 women lowland 1000m performances this season:
   1.15.41 NESBITT Christine    CAN Berlin      091107  1
   1.15.92 KODAIRA Nao          JPN Berlin      091107  2
   1.16.13 TIMMER Marianne      NED Berlin      091107  3
   1.16.64 BOER Margot          NED Berlin      091107  4
   1.16.67 SJIKHOVA Jekaterina  RUS Moskva      091024  1
   1.16.71 SCHUSSLER Brittany   CAN Berlin      091107  5
   1.16.72 GERRITSEN Annette    NED Berlin      091107  6
   1.16.79     Kodaira         ( 2) Nagano      091024  1
   1.16.83     Gerritsen       ( 2) H'veen      091031  1
   1.16.84 ANGERMÜLLER Monique  GER Berlin      091107  7
			 - 10-  -  8-
   1.16.96 RICHARDSON Heather   USA Berlin      091107  8
   1.17.00 BRUINTJES Natasja    NED Erfurt      091023  1
   1.17.06 WÜST Ireen           NED Berlin      091107  1
   1.17.15     Kodaira         ( 3) Nagano      091016  1
   1.17.18     Boer M          ( 2) H'veen      091031  2
   1.17.23 GROVES Kristina      CAN Richmond    091019  1
   1.17.26     Timmer          ( 2) H'veen      091031  3
   1.17.28 WANG Beixing         CHN Berlin      091107  9
   1.17.34 YOSHII Sayuri        JPN Berlin      091107 10
   1.17.37 RODRIGUEZ Jennifer   USA Berlin      091107 11
			 - 20-  - 15-
   1.17.41 van RIESSEN Laurine  NED H'veen      091031  4
   1.17.59 YU Jing              CHN Berlin      091107 12
   1.17.78 OCHOWICZ Elli        USA Berlin      091107  3
   1.17.84 FRIESINGER Anni      GER Berlin      091107 15
   1.17.86     Angermüller     ( 2) Berlin      091030  1
   1.17.86 MALYSJEVA Jekaterina RUS Berlin      091107  4
   1.17.91     Rodriguez       ( 2) Milwaukee   091022  1
   1.17.91     Sjikhova        ( 2) Berlin      091107 16
   1.17.93     Richardson      ( 2) Milwaukee   091022  2
   1.17.93 OKAZAKI Tomomi       JPN Nagano      091024  2
			 - 30-  - 21-
And Van Riessen actually pushed out Okazaki this morning with
an additional 1.17.67, the winning time in the B-Group

Top-30 women lowland 1000m all-time performances:
   1.14.81 FRIESINGER Anni      GER Hamar       080127  1
   1.15.12     Friesinger      ( 2) Hamar       070120  1
   1.15.13     Friesinger      ( 3) Hamar       070121  1
   1.15.17     Friesinger      ( 4) Berlin      051030  1
   1.15.20 WÜST Ireen           NED Hamar       070121  2
   1.15.29     Wüst            ( 2) Hamar       070120  2
   1.15.34     Friesinger      ( 5) H'veen      071209  1
   1.15.37     Friesinger      ( 6) Nagano      080309  1
   1.15.41 NESBITT Christine    CAN Berlin      091107  1
   1.15.46     Wüst            ( 3) H'veen      060304  1
			 - 10-  -  3-
   1.15.49 KLASSEN Cindy        CAN Hamar       070121  3
   1.15.50 RODRIGUEZ Jennifer   USA Milwaukee   051126  1
   1.15.52     Rodriguez       ( 2) Erfurt      050212  1
   1.15.53     Friesinger      ( 7) Berlin      061119  1
   1.15.57     Klassen         ( 2) Hamar       070120  3
   1.15.57     Friesinger      ( 8) H'veen      080224  1
   1.15.58 TIMMER Marianne      NED Erfurt      050213  1
   1.15.58     Friesinger      ( 9) H'veen      080119  1
   1.15.59     Wüst            ( 4) H'veen      080120  1
   1.15.60 SIMIONATO Chiara     ITA Milwaukee   051127  1
			 - 20-  -  7-
   1.15.61     Friesinger      (10) Erfurt      090201  1
   1.15.62     Simionato       ( 2) Erfurt      050213  2
   1.15.64     Friesinger      (11) Erfurt      071216  1
   1.15.64     Wüst            ( 5) H'veen      080119  2
   1.15.65     Rodriguez       ( 3) H'veen      050219  1
   1.15.66     Nesbitt         ( 2) H'veen      071209  2
   1.15.68     Rodriguez       ( 4) Milwaukee   051127  2
   1.15.71     Friesinger      (12) Erfurt      071215  1
   1.15.73     Kotjuga         ( 8) Erfurt      050212  2
   1.15.75     Friesinger      (27) H'veen      060304  2
			 - 30-  -  7-

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#44513 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: Roger Schneider´s style 		dirk_p_broer
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Today Roger made the 33rd place in the B-group (7.00,54, 4,8 seconds faster than
Berlin)

Verdict:
- Too much emphasis on the curves, too little on the straights.
- The technique also causes too much drag, constantly two irons in contact with
the ice, and not really sidewise at that either.

Conclusion:
- Might work in shorttrack (almost only curves), but there is much more
straights in long-track. There are better ways to conserve energy on the
straights (e.g. do not push)



--- In Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com, "zavo9" <zavo9@...> wrote:
>
> He's now officially nominated for the Ådne Søndrål award.
>
> Zavo
>
>
> --- In Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com, "machielsmit" <machielsmit@> wrote:
> >
> > Will we see this style more often?
> > Or was it just one, not so succesful, try according to his 7:05.39?
> >
> > His style: Normal corners, but no feet lifting on the straights. Like short
trackers between the corners.
> >
> > Machiel Smit
> >
>

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#44512 From: "Dirk Broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Skate] Re: Updated 5000m men lowland season and all-time list 		dirk_p_broer
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B-division still had to start when I made this list...


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From: "machielsmit" <machielsmit@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:52 PM
To: <Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Skate] Re: Updated 5000m men lowland season and all-time list

> Don't forget Blokhuijsen's 6.19.21 in today's division B.
> Sixth best season result.
>
> Machiel Smit
>
> --- In Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com, "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> This season's top-40 best performances 5000m men on lowland rinks:
>>   6.14.69 KRAMER Sven          NED Berlin      091107  1
>>   6.16.29     Kramer S        ( 2) H'veen      091114  1
>>   6.16.38 DE JONG Bob          NED H'veen      091114  2
>>   6.17.10 BØKKO Håvard         NOR H'veen      091114  3
>>   6.17.17     Bøkko           ( 2) Berlin      091107  2
>>   6.19.22     de Jong         ( 2) Berlin      091107  3
>>   6.19.68     de Jong         ( 3) Berlin      091024  1
>>   6.20.71     Kramer S        ( 2) H'veen      091030  1
>>   6.21.91 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED Berlin      091107  4
>>   6.22.38 CONTIN Alexis        FRA Berlin      091107  1
>> - 10- -  5-
>>   6.22.76 SKOBREV Ivan         RUS H'veen      091114  4
>>   6.23.01 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED H'veen      091114  5
>>   6.23.07     Olde Heuvel W   ( 2) Berlin      091107  5
>>   6.23.13     de Jong         ( 4) H'veen      091030  2
>>   6.23.35 HEDRICK Chad         USA H'veen      091114  6
>>   6.23.40     Skobrev         ( 2) Berlin      091107  6
>>   6.24.22 VERWEIJ Koen         NED Berlin      091107  7
>>   6.24.24     Bøkko           ( 3) Hamar       091023  1
>>   6.24.38 DAVIS Shani          USA H'veen      091114  7
>>   6.24.56     de Jong         ( 5) Berlin      091003  1
>> - 20- - 10-
>>   6.24.88 DOBBIN Shane         NZL Berlin      091107  2
>>   6.24.97     Skobrev         ( 3) Moskva      091023  1
>>   6.24.99 DAVIS Shani          USA Berlin      091107  8
>>   6.25.03 LEE Seung-Hoon       ROK H'veen      091114  8
>>   6.25.05 BLOKHUIJSEN Jan      NED Berlin      091003  2
>>   6.25.33     Olde Heuvel W   ( 3) H'veen      091030  3
>>   6.25.70     Contin       ( 2) H'veen      091114  9
>>   6.25.84 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Berlin      091107  9
>>   6.26.37     Verweij         ( 2) H'veen      091030  4
>>   6.26.59 de VRIES Bob         NED Berlin      091003  3
>> - 30- - 16-
>>   6.26.81     Davis S         ( 2) Milwaukee   091010  1
>>   6.26.92 HEDRICK Chad         USA Berlin      091107 10
>>   6.27.27     Verheijen       ( 2) H'veen      091030  5
>>   6.27.85     Fabris          ( 2) H'veen      091114 10
>>   6.28.21 BERGSMA Jorrit      "KAZ"Tsjeljabinsk091022  1
>>   6.28.25     Blokhuijsen     ( 2) H'veen      091030  6
>>   6.28.28     Bergsma         ( 2) Berlin      091003  4
>>   6.28.60 JONGEJAN Ben         NED Berlin      091003  5
>>   6.28.71 MAKOWSKY Lucas       CAN Berlin      091107 11
>>   6.29.30 GIROUX Mathieu       CAN Berlin      091107  3
>>                         - 40-           - 21-
>>
>> All-time top-40 5000m men lowland rinks:
>>   6.09.74 KRAMER Sven          NED Hamar       090207  1
>>   6.09.76     Kramer S        ( 2) Berlin      061117  1
>>   6.11.78     Kramer S        ( 3) Kolomna     080112  1
>>   6.12.97     Kramer S        ( 4) H'veen      070209  1
>>   6.13.35     Kramer S        ( 5) Berlin      080209  1
>>   6.14.32     Kramer S        ( 6) H'veen      081115  1
>>   6.14.68 HEDRICK Chad         USA Torino      060211  1
>>   6.14.69     Kramer S        ( 7) Berlin      091107  1
>>   6.14.70 ROMME Gianni         NED Berlin      041120  1
>>   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 8) H'veen      060303  1
>> - 10- -  3-
>>   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 9) H'veen      081031  1
>>   6.15.10     Kramer S        (10) H'veen      080223  1
>>   6.15.26     Kramer S        (11) H'veen      071208  1
>>   6.15.74     Kramer S        (12) Berlin      081107  1
>>   6.15.76     Kramer S        (13) H'veen      090109  1
>>   6.15.94     Bøkko           ( 4) Hamar       090207  2
>>   6.16.02     Kramer S        (14) Erfurt      090130  1
>>   6.16.16 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED H'veen      070209  2
>>   6.16.20     Kramer S        (15) Richmond    090313  1
>>   6.16.23     Hedrick         ( 2) Milwaukee   081026  1
>> - 20- -  4-
>>   6.16.29     Kramer S        (16) H'veen      091114  1
>>   6.16.38 DE JONG Bob          NED H'veen      091114  2
>>   6.16.40     Kramer S        (17) Torino      060211  2
>>   6.16.49     Verheijen C     ( 2) Berlin      061117  2
>>   6.16.64     Kramer S        (18) H'veen      061111  1
>>   6.16.74 GRØDUM Øystein       NOR Berlin      041120  2
>>   6.16.77     Kramer S        (19) H'veen      081227  1
>>   6.17.10 BØKKO Håvard         NOR H'veen      091114  3
>>   6.17.17     Bøkko           ( 2) Berlin      091107  2
>>   6.17.24     Kramer S        (20) Nagano      080306  1
>> - 30- -  7-
>>   6.17.32 ERVIK Eskil          NOR Berlin      061117  3
>>   6.17.45     Bøkko           ( 3) Kolomna     080112  2
>>   6.17.58     Verheijen C     ( 3) H'veen      051227  1
>>   6.17.64     Bøkko           ( 4) Berlin      080209  2
>>   6.17.69 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED Kolomna     080112  3
>>   6.17.86 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Kolomna     080112  4
>>   6.18.02     Bøkko           ( 5) Richmond    090313  2
>>   6.18.12     Verheijen C     ( 4) Berlin      041120  3
>>   6.18.16     de Jong         ( 2) Berlin      041120  4
>>   6.18.25     Fabris          ( 2) Torino      060211  3
>> - 40- - 10-
>>
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#44511 From: "Hans Wilbrink" <hanswilbrink@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:17 pm
Subject: RE: [Skate] Re: Timmer and Jin Yu fall on 500 m 		amersfoort3822
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Sportweek Magazine interviewed Marianne Timmer today. "When I saw my ankle I
thought: end of my career."

Nothing broken, the tendon is still intact, was the first diagnose in the
hospital on Fridaynight.

Timmer: "The ankle is so thick, I can walk on it. They has to make another
photo of the tendon, because there is a possibility the tendon is teared.
And than it's still over."

The most positive situation: in four weeks on the ice again (two weeks
before the races for Dutch Olympic Games-qualifications)



Hans

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Onderwerp: [Skate] Re: Timmer and Jin Yu fall on 500 m






What's the latest news regarding Timmer and
her ankle? It was said on Norwegian television
that she would need "four weeks" to get back
to ordinary training; is this correct, more
or less?

NLH

> Apparently the skate of Marian entered the buttock of the Chinese. It's
not certain yet if the ankle is broken or if only the ligaments are damaged
or so.
> Orie just announced that it wasn't as bad as it looked, but the atmosphere
here in Thialf is gone.
> --
>
> Irene P.





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#44510 From: "krasotaspasetmir" <nils@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: Timmer and Jin Yu fall on 500 m 		krasotaspase...
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What's the latest news regarding Timmer and
her ankle? It was said on Norwegian television
that she would need "four weeks" to get back
to ordinary training; is this correct, more
or less?

NLH

> Apparently the skate of Marian entered the buttock of the Chinese. It's not
certain yet if the ankle is broken or if only the ligaments are damaged or so.
> Orie just announced that it wasn't as bad as it looked, but the atmosphere
here in Thialf is gone.
> --
>
> Irene P.

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#44509 From: "machielsmit" <machielsmit@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: Updated 5000m men lowland season and all-time list 		machielsmit
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Don't forget Blokhuijsen's 6.19.21 in today's division B.
Sixth best season result.

Machiel Smit

--- In Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com, "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...> wrote:
>
> This season's top-40 best performances 5000m men on lowland rinks:
>   6.14.69 KRAMER Sven          NED Berlin      091107  1
>   6.16.29     Kramer S        ( 2) H'veen      091114  1
>   6.16.38 DE JONG Bob          NED H'veen      091114  2
>   6.17.10 BØKKO Håvard         NOR H'veen      091114  3
>   6.17.17     Bøkko           ( 2) Berlin      091107  2
>   6.19.22     de Jong         ( 2) Berlin      091107  3
>   6.19.68     de Jong         ( 3) Berlin      091024  1
>   6.20.71     Kramer S        ( 2) H'veen      091030  1
>   6.21.91 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED Berlin      091107  4
>   6.22.38 CONTIN Alexis        FRA Berlin      091107  1
> 		 - 10-  -  5-
>   6.22.76 SKOBREV Ivan         RUS H'veen      091114  4
>   6.23.01 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED H'veen      091114  5
>   6.23.07     Olde Heuvel W   ( 2) Berlin      091107  5
>   6.23.13     de Jong         ( 4) H'veen      091030  2
>   6.23.35 HEDRICK Chad         USA H'veen      091114  6
>   6.23.40     Skobrev         ( 2) Berlin      091107  6
>   6.24.22 VERWEIJ Koen         NED Berlin      091107  7
>   6.24.24     Bøkko           ( 3) Hamar       091023  1
>   6.24.38 DAVIS Shani          USA H'veen      091114  7
>   6.24.56     de Jong         ( 5) Berlin      091003  1
> 		 - 20-  - 10-
>   6.24.88 DOBBIN Shane         NZL Berlin      091107  2
>   6.24.97     Skobrev         ( 3) Moskva      091023  1
>   6.24.99 DAVIS Shani          USA Berlin      091107  8
>   6.25.03 LEE Seung-Hoon       ROK H'veen      091114  8
>   6.25.05 BLOKHUIJSEN Jan      NED Berlin      091003  2
>   6.25.33     Olde Heuvel W   ( 3) H'veen      091030  3
>   6.25.70     Contin       ( 2) H'veen      091114  9
>   6.25.84 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Berlin      091107  9
>   6.26.37     Verweij         ( 2) H'veen      091030  4
>   6.26.59 de VRIES Bob         NED Berlin      091003  3
> 		 - 30-  - 16-
>   6.26.81     Davis S         ( 2) Milwaukee   091010  1
>   6.26.92 HEDRICK Chad         USA Berlin      091107 10
>   6.27.27     Verheijen       ( 2) H'veen      091030  5
>   6.27.85     Fabris          ( 2) H'veen      091114 10
>   6.28.21 BERGSMA Jorrit      "KAZ"Tsjeljabinsk091022  1
>   6.28.25     Blokhuijsen     ( 2) H'veen      091030  6
>   6.28.28     Bergsma         ( 2) Berlin      091003  4
>   6.28.60 JONGEJAN Ben         NED Berlin      091003  5
>   6.28.71 MAKOWSKY Lucas       CAN Berlin      091107 11
>   6.29.30 GIROUX Mathieu       CAN Berlin      091107  3
>                         - 40-           - 21-
>
> All-time top-40 5000m men lowland rinks:
>   6.09.74 KRAMER Sven          NED Hamar       090207  1
>   6.09.76     Kramer S        ( 2) Berlin      061117  1
>   6.11.78     Kramer S        ( 3) Kolomna     080112  1
>   6.12.97     Kramer S        ( 4) H'veen      070209  1
>   6.13.35     Kramer S        ( 5) Berlin      080209  1
>   6.14.32     Kramer S        ( 6) H'veen      081115  1
>   6.14.68 HEDRICK Chad         USA Torino      060211  1
>   6.14.69     Kramer S        ( 7) Berlin      091107  1
>   6.14.70 ROMME Gianni         NED Berlin      041120  1
>   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 8) H'veen      060303  1
> 		 - 10-  -  3-
>   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 9) H'veen      081031  1
>   6.15.10     Kramer S        (10) H'veen      080223  1
>   6.15.26     Kramer S        (11) H'veen      071208  1
>   6.15.74     Kramer S        (12) Berlin      081107  1
>   6.15.76     Kramer S        (13) H'veen      090109  1
>   6.15.94     Bøkko           ( 4) Hamar       090207  2
>   6.16.02     Kramer S        (14) Erfurt      090130  1
>   6.16.16 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED H'veen      070209  2
>   6.16.20     Kramer S        (15) Richmond    090313  1
>   6.16.23     Hedrick         ( 2) Milwaukee   081026  1
> 		 - 20-  -  4-
>   6.16.29     Kramer S        (16) H'veen      091114  1
>   6.16.38 DE JONG Bob          NED H'veen      091114  2
>   6.16.40     Kramer S        (17) Torino      060211  2
>   6.16.49     Verheijen C     ( 2) Berlin      061117  2
>   6.16.64     Kramer S        (18) H'veen      061111  1
>   6.16.74 GRØDUM Øystein       NOR Berlin      041120  2
>   6.16.77     Kramer S        (19) H'veen      081227  1
>   6.17.10 BØKKO Håvard         NOR H'veen      091114  3
>   6.17.17     Bøkko           ( 2) Berlin      091107  2
>   6.17.24     Kramer S        (20) Nagano      080306  1
> 		 - 30-  -  7-
>   6.17.32 ERVIK Eskil          NOR Berlin      061117  3
>   6.17.45     Bøkko           ( 3) Kolomna     080112  2
>   6.17.58     Verheijen C     ( 3) H'veen      051227  1
>   6.17.64     Bøkko           ( 4) Berlin      080209  2
>   6.17.69 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED Kolomna     080112  3
>   6.17.86 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Kolomna     080112  4
>   6.18.02     Bøkko           ( 5) Richmond    090313  2
>   6.18.12     Verheijen C     ( 4) Berlin      041120  3
>   6.18.16     de Jong         ( 2) Berlin      041120  4
>   6.18.25     Fabris          ( 2) Torino      060211  3
> 		 - 40-  - 10-
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#44508 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:51 pm
Subject: Updated 5000m men lowland season and all-time list 		dirk_p_broer
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This season's top-40 best performances 5000m men on lowland rinks:
   6.14.69 KRAMER Sven          NED Berlin      091107  1
   6.16.29     Kramer S        ( 2) H'veen      091114  1
   6.16.38 DE JONG Bob          NED H'veen      091114  2
   6.17.10 BØKKO Håvard         NOR H'veen      091114  3
   6.17.17     Bøkko           ( 2) Berlin      091107  2
   6.19.22     de Jong         ( 2) Berlin      091107  3
   6.19.68     de Jong         ( 3) Berlin      091024  1
   6.20.71     Kramer S        ( 2) H'veen      091030  1
   6.21.91 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED Berlin      091107  4
   6.22.38 CONTIN Alexis        FRA Berlin      091107  1
			 - 10-  -  5-
   6.22.76 SKOBREV Ivan         RUS H'veen      091114  4
   6.23.01 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED H'veen      091114  5
   6.23.07     Olde Heuvel W   ( 2) Berlin      091107  5
   6.23.13     de Jong         ( 4) H'veen      091030  2
   6.23.35 HEDRICK Chad         USA H'veen      091114  6
   6.23.40     Skobrev         ( 2) Berlin      091107  6
   6.24.22 VERWEIJ Koen         NED Berlin      091107  7
   6.24.24     Bøkko           ( 3) Hamar       091023  1
   6.24.38 DAVIS Shani          USA H'veen      091114  7
   6.24.56     de Jong         ( 5) Berlin      091003  1
			 - 20-  - 10-
   6.24.88 DOBBIN Shane         NZL Berlin      091107  2
   6.24.97     Skobrev         ( 3) Moskva      091023  1
   6.24.99 DAVIS Shani          USA Berlin      091107  8
   6.25.03 LEE Seung-Hoon       ROK H'veen      091114  8
   6.25.05 BLOKHUIJSEN Jan      NED Berlin      091003  2
   6.25.33     Olde Heuvel W   ( 3) H'veen      091030  3
   6.25.70     Contin       ( 2) H'veen      091114  9
   6.25.84 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Berlin      091107  9
   6.26.37     Verweij         ( 2) H'veen      091030  4
   6.26.59 de VRIES Bob         NED Berlin      091003  3
			 - 30-  - 16-
   6.26.81     Davis S         ( 2) Milwaukee   091010  1
   6.26.92 HEDRICK Chad         USA Berlin      091107 10
   6.27.27     Verheijen       ( 2) H'veen      091030  5
   6.27.85     Fabris          ( 2) H'veen      091114 10
   6.28.21 BERGSMA Jorrit      "KAZ"Tsjeljabinsk091022  1
   6.28.25     Blokhuijsen     ( 2) H'veen      091030  6
   6.28.28     Bergsma         ( 2) Berlin      091003  4
   6.28.60 JONGEJAN Ben         NED Berlin      091003  5
   6.28.71 MAKOWSKY Lucas       CAN Berlin      091107 11
   6.29.30 GIROUX Mathieu       CAN Berlin      091107  3
                         - 40-           - 21-

All-time top-40 5000m men lowland rinks:
   6.09.74 KRAMER Sven          NED Hamar       090207  1
   6.09.76     Kramer S        ( 2) Berlin      061117  1
   6.11.78     Kramer S        ( 3) Kolomna     080112  1
   6.12.97     Kramer S        ( 4) H'veen      070209  1
   6.13.35     Kramer S        ( 5) Berlin      080209  1
   6.14.32     Kramer S        ( 6) H'veen      081115  1
   6.14.68 HEDRICK Chad         USA Torino      060211  1
   6.14.69     Kramer S        ( 7) Berlin      091107  1
   6.14.70 ROMME Gianni         NED Berlin      041120  1
   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 8) H'veen      060303  1
			 - 10-  -  3-
   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 9) H'veen      081031  1
   6.15.10     Kramer S        (10) H'veen      080223  1
   6.15.26     Kramer S        (11) H'veen      071208  1
   6.15.74     Kramer S        (12) Berlin      081107  1
   6.15.76     Kramer S        (13) H'veen      090109  1
   6.15.94     Bøkko           ( 4) Hamar       090207  2
   6.16.02     Kramer S        (14) Erfurt      090130  1
   6.16.16 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED H'veen      070209  2
   6.16.20     Kramer S        (15) Richmond    090313  1
   6.16.23     Hedrick         ( 2) Milwaukee   081026  1
			 - 20-  -  4-
   6.16.29     Kramer S        (16) H'veen      091114  1
   6.16.38 DE JONG Bob          NED H'veen      091114  2
   6.16.40     Kramer S        (17) Torino      060211  2
   6.16.49     Verheijen C     ( 2) Berlin      061117  2
   6.16.64     Kramer S        (18) H'veen      061111  1
   6.16.74 GRØDUM Øystein       NOR Berlin      041120  2
   6.16.77     Kramer S        (19) H'veen      081227  1
   6.17.10 BØKKO Håvard         NOR H'veen      091114  3
   6.17.17     Bøkko           ( 2) Berlin      091107  2
   6.17.24     Kramer S        (20) Nagano      080306  1
			 - 30-  -  7-
   6.17.32 ERVIK Eskil          NOR Berlin      061117  3
   6.17.45     Bøkko           ( 3) Kolomna     080112  2
   6.17.58     Verheijen C     ( 3) H'veen      051227  1
   6.17.64     Bøkko           ( 4) Berlin      080209  2
   6.17.69 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED Kolomna     080112  3
   6.17.86 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Kolomna     080112  4
   6.18.02     Bøkko           ( 5) Richmond    090313  2
   6.18.12     Verheijen C     ( 4) Berlin      041120  3
   6.18.16     de Jong         ( 2) Berlin      041120  4
   6.18.25     Fabris          ( 2) Torino      060211  3
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#44507 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:20 am
Subject: Indoor Lowland 500m Women top 25 all-time fastest results 		dirk_p_broer
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Indoor Lowland 500m Women, sorted on top 25 fastest results:
  1 37,51 JENNY WOLF GER  Kolomna 24-01-2009 1
  2 37,52 Jenny Wolf ( 2) Hamar V 25-01-2008 1
    37,52 Jenny Wolf ( 3) Hamar V    26-01-2008 1
    37,52 Jenny Wolf ( 4) Berlin S   08-11-2009 1
  5 37,58 Jenny Wolf ( 5) Erfurt GNS 30-01-2009 1
  6 37,60 Jenny Wolf ( 6) Heerenveen 20-01-2008 1
    37,60 Jenny Wolf ( 7) Heerenveen 14-11-2008 1
  8 37,63 BEIXING WANG CHN  Heerenveen 14-11-2008 2
    37,63 Jenny Wolf ( 8) Heerenveen 15-11-2008 1
10 37,64 Jenny Wolf ( 9) Heerenveen 19-01-2008 1
11 37,67 Jenny Wolf (10) Kolomna 25-01-2009 1
12 37,71 Jenny Wolf (11) Nagano 13-12-2008 1
13 37,72 Jenny Wolf (12) Richmond 15-03-2009 1
14 37,74 Jenny Wolf (13) Nagano 08-03-2008 1
    37,74 Beixing Wang ( 2) Heerenveen 15-11-2008 2
16 37,75 Jenny Wolf (14) Berlin S 08-11-2007 1
    37,75 Beixing Wang ( 3) Berlin S 08-11-2007 2
18 37,77 Jenny Wolf (15) Berlin S 17-11-2006 1
19 37,78 Beixing Wang ( 4) Richmond 15-03-2009 2
20 37,81 Jenny Wolf (16) Heerenveen 09-12-2007 1
21 37,82 Jenny Wolf (17) Berlin S 01-12-2007 1
22 37,83 MANLI WANG CHN  Milwaukee 27-11-2005 1
23 37,85 Jenny Wolf (18) Erfurt GNS 31-01-2009 1
    37,85 Beixing Wang ( 5) Berlin S 07-11-2009 1
25 37,86 Jenny Wolf (19) Moskva Kryl18-01-2009 1

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#44506 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:27 pm
Subject: Lowland 1500m men rankings, season 29 and all-time 31 		dirk_p_broer
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Todays 1500m men saw a lot of changes in the season ranking,
but hardly any in the all-time list. Davis continues to amaze,
today taking over Wennemars' 1500m rink record.

1500m men lowland season best performances
   1.44.47 HEDRICK Chad         USA Milwaukee   091024  1
   1.44.47 DAVIS Shani          USA Berlin      091108  1
* 1.44.48     Davis           ( 2) H'veen      091113  1
   1.44.49     Davis           ( 3) Milwaukee   091024  2
   1.45.56 BØKKO Håvard         NOR Berlin      091108  2
* 1.45.57     Bøkko           ( 2) H'veen      091113  2
   1.45.69 MORRISON Danny       CAN Berlin      091108  3
* 1.45.74 GROOTHUIS Stefan     NED H'veen      091113  3
* 1.45.83 TUITERT Mark         NED H'veen      091113  4
   1.45.89 KET Rhian            NED H'veen      091101  1
			 - 10-  -  7-
   1.45.97     Groothuis       ( 2) Berlin      091108  4
* 1.46.08     Ket             ( 2) H'veen      091113  5
   1.46.19     Tuitert         ( 2) H'veen      091101  2
   1.46.24     Tuitert         ( 3) Berlin      091108  5
* 1.46.26 SKOBREV Ivan         RUS H'veen      091113  6
* 1.46.34 OLDE HEUVEL Remco    NED H'veen      091113  7
   1.46.39     Morrison D      ( 2) Richmond    091019  1
   1.46.39     Groothuis       ( 3) H'veen      091101  3
* 1.46.42 MAKOWSKY Lucas       CAN H'veen      091113  8
   1.46.54 LALENKOV Jevgenij    RUS Berlin      091108  6
			 - 20-  - 11-
   1.46.59 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Berlin      091010  1
* 1.46.60     Fabris          ( 2) H'veen      091113  9
   1.46.69     Olde Heuvel R   ( 2) H'veen      091101  4
   1.46.88 WENNEMARS Erben      NED H'veen      091101  5
   1.46.93     Ket             ( 3) Berlin      091108  7
   1.46.95     Skobrev         ( 2) Berlin      091108  8
   1.46.96 MARSICANO Trevor     USA Milwaukee   091024  3
   1.46.96 LARSEN Mikael FlygindNOR Berlin      091108  9
   1.47.07     Hedrick         ( 2) Berlin      091108 10

1500m men lowland all-time best performances (<1.45.50)
   1.44.47 HEDRICK Chad         USA Milwaukee   091024  1
   1.44.47 DAVIS Shani          USA Berlin      091108  1
   1.44.48     Davis           ( 2) Milwaukee   081025  1
  *1.44.48     Davis           ( 3) H'veen      091113  1
   1.44.49     Davis           ( 4) Milwaukee   091024  2
   1.44.74 KUIPERS Simon        NED Hamar       080126  1
   1.44.75 KRAMER Sven          NED Hamar       080126  2
   1.44.82 MORRISON Danny       CAN Hamar       080126  3
   1.44.83 BØKKO Håvard         NOR Hamar       090208  1
   1.44.97 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Torino      070203  1
			 - 10-  -  7-
   1.45.01     Kramer          ( 2) Hamar       090208  2
   1.45.06 WENNEMARS Erben      NED Torino      070203  2
   1.45.19     Wennemars       ( 2) H'veen      070210  1
   1.45.21     Kramer          ( 3) H'veen      071207  1
   1.45.22     Morrison D      ( 2) Nagano      080309  1
   1.45.23     Bøkko           ( 2) Hamar       080126  4
   1.45.23     Davis           ( 5) H'veen      081114  1
   1.45.24 LALENKOV Jevgenij    RUS Kolomna     080113  1
   1.45.25     Davis           ( 6) H'veen      080222  1
   1.45.32 TUITERT Mark         NED Hamar       080126  5
			 - 20-  - 10-
   1.45.32     Davis           ( 7) Nagano      080309  2
   1.45.32     Kramer          ( 4) Nagano      080309  2
   1.45.32     Morrison D      ( 3) Erfurt      090131  1
   1.45.33 MARSICANO Trevor     USA Milwaukee   081025  2
   1.45.34     Morrison D      ( 4) H'veen      071207  2
   1.45.37     Marsicano       ( 2) Hamar       090208  3
   1.45.38     Morrison D      ( 5) Hamar       090208  4
   1.45.39     Kuipers S       ( 2) H'veen      051203  1
   1.45.40     Davis           ( 8) H'veen      090214  1
   1.45.45     Fabris          ( 2) Kolomna     080113  2
			 - 30-  - 11-
   1.45.46     Bøkko           ( 3) Moskva      081122  1

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#44504 From: "irene@..." <irene@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:42 pm
Subject: RE: Timmer and Jin Yu fall on 500 m 		irene@...
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Apparently the skate of Marian entered the buttock of the Chinese. It's not
certain yet if the ankle is broken or if only the ligaments are damaged or so.
Orie just announced that it wasn't as bad as it looked, but the atmosphere here
in Thialf is gone.
--

Irene P.

o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o
o.o.o.o.o.o.o MAY GOD BLESS YOU o.o.o.o.o.o.o
o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o

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caroolvk@... [caroolvk@...]
Verzonden: vrijdag 13 november 2009 16:32
Aan: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Skate] Timmer and Jin Yu fall on 500 m

After a fall of Yin Ju in the last inner corner, she could not avoid hitting
Timmer in the outer lane, both ladies bumped into the cussions, and stayed down
on the ice. The ankle of Marianne Timmer hung in a strange position under her
leg. Also Ju was hurt, and both ladies were put on a brancard and transported to
the nearest hospital.
:-(
Carool

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#44503 From: <caroolvk@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: Timmer and Jin Yu fall on 500 m 		caroolvk
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After a fall of Yin Ju in the last inner corner, she could not avoid hitting
Timmer in the outer lane, both ladies bumped into the cussions, and stayed down
on the ice. The ankle of Marianne Timmer hung in a strange position under her
leg. Also Ju was hurt, and both ladies were put on a brancard and transported to
the nearest hospital.
:-(
Carool


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Subject: [Skate] day 3 selection races




Again in Groningen

1500 m men
Prequalified: Tuitert, Kramer, Groothuis, E.Wennemars, Kuipers, W.Olde Heuvel,
Ket, De Vries, Verheijen, Nijenhuis

Qualified today:
HEREN 1500 Meter
1 4 Jan Blokhuijsen HN2 ZUID-SC 1:49.61 (TRA) 36.536 (also won the 5000m!)
2 14 Kjeld Nuis HN1 ZOETERW 1:50.05 (2) 36.683 0.147 (won the 500 and 1000)
3 8 Remco olde Heuvel HSA LOSSER 1:50.51 (3) 36.836 0.300
4 6 Lars Elgersma HSA ALKMAAR 1:50.62 (4) 36.873 0.337
5 24 Koen Verweij HA2 ALKMAAR 1:50.67 (5) 36.890 0.354
6 18 Tim Roelofsen HN3 GIETHOO 1:50.97 (6) 36.990 0.454
7 26 Berden de Vries HN2 GIETERV 1:51.04 (7) 37.013 0.477
8 16 Robbert de Rijk HN2 NIEUWKO 1:51.46 (8) 37.153 0.617
9 11 Ben Jongejan HSA 's-Grav 1:51.53 (9) 37.176 0.640
10 21 Pim Schipper HN2 MEDEMBL 1:51.74 (10) 37.246 0.710
11 19 Renz Rotteveel HN2 OUDE WE 1:51.86 (11) 37.286 0.750

Not qualified (3 wild cards left)

12 3 Ted-Jan Bloemen HN4 REEUWIJ 1:52.09 (12) 37.363 0.827
13 5 Pim Cazemier HN1 DEN HOR 1:52.65 (13) 37.550 1.014
14 20 Tim Salomons HSA Heerenv 1:52.76 (14) 37.586 1.050
15 1 Lucas van Alphen HA2 HILVERS 1:52.82 (15) 37.606 1.070
16 12 Rigard van Klooster HN2 LINSCHO 1:53.30 (16) 37.766 1.230
17 31 Bram Smallenbroek HN4 HEERENV 1:53.49 (17) 37.830 1.294
18 22 Tom Schuit HN2 SCHERME 1:53.65 (18) 37.883 1.347
19 7 Michael Heemskerk HSA NOORDWI 1:53.90 (19) 37.966 1.430
20 13 Boris Kusmirak HN4 EDAM 1:54.25 (20) 38.083 1.547
21 15 Mark Ooijevaar HSA Hoogkar 1:54.55 (21) 38.183 1.647
22 17 Demian Roelofs HA2 HENGELO 1:54.95 (22) 38.316 1.780
27 Freddy Wennemars HN4 DALFSEN 1:54.95 (22) 38.316 1.780
24 30 Hein Otterspeer HN2 OUDERKE 1:55.10 (24) 38.366 1.830
25 33 Huub van der Wart HSA Heerenv 1:55.13 (25) 38.376 1.840
26 28 Bernd Zweden HN2 GOUDA 1:55.37 (26) 38.456 1.920
27 2 Bart van den Berg HSA WIJNGAA 1:55.66 (27) 38.553 2.017
28 25 Maurice Vriend HA1 Midwoud 1:56.21 (28) 38.736 2.200
29 9 Elwin Hulsink HSA Devente 1:56.63 (29) 38.876 2.340
30 29 Joost Kool HN2 NIEUWER 1:57.02 (30) 39.006 2.470
32 Adriaan van Velde HA2 KANTENS 1:57.02 (30) 39.006 2.470

1500 m women
Prequalified: Wüst, Van Riessen, Leenstra, E.de Vries, Voorhuis, L. van der
Geest, Van Deutekom, Valkenburg, Groenewold, Cramer
Qualified today:
1 3 Margot Boer DSA Grou 2:04.43 (1) 41.476
2 10 Janneke Ensing DN4 GIETEN 2:04.44 PB 41.480 0.004
3 12 Annette Gerritsen DSA ILPENDA 2:04.85 (3) 41.616 0.140
4 29 Linda de Vries DN3 SMILDE 2:05.08 (4) 41.693 0.217
5 30 Annouk van der Weijden DSA Nieuwve 2:05.11 (5) 41.703 0.227
6 2 Lotte van Beek DA1 ZWOLLE 2:05.13 (6) 41.710 0.234
7 19 Ingeborg Kroon DN3 SNEEK 2:05.69 (7) 41.896 0.420
8 27 Cindy Vergeer DN3 OUDEWAT 2:05.70 (8) 41.900 0.424
9 21 Yvonne Nauta DA2 UITWELL 2:05.71 (9) 41.903 0.427

Not qualified (3 wild cards left; will increase to 5, as Van der Geest and
Cramer won't start)
10 4 Linda Bouwens DSA GOUDA 2:06.08 (10) 42.026 0.550
11 16 Moniek Kleinsman DSA Bergamb 2:06.48 (11) 42.160 0.684
12 8 Marit Dekker DN1 ST. PAN 2:06.74 (12) 42.246 0.770
13 20 Rixt Meijer DSA Heerenv 2:06.90 (13) 42.300 0.824
14 28 Marja Vis DSB SCHELLI 2:06.91 (14) 42.303 0.827
15 15 Marije Joling DN3 ASSEN 2:07.38 (15) 42.460 0.984
16 9 Sanne Delfgou DSA UTRECHT 2:07.57 (16) 42.523 1.047
17 25 Maren van Spronsen DN4 S-GRAVE 2:07.77 (17) 42.590 1.114
18 23 Janine Smit DA2 HEERENV 2:07.89 (18) 42.630 1.154
19 11 Jorieke van der Geest DN1 OUD ADE 2:08.17 (19) 42.723 1.247
20 24 Lisanne Soemanta DN4 UITGEES 2:08.62 (20) 42.873 1.397
21 17 Brecht Kramer DN1 OUDESCH 2:08.65 (21) 42.883 1.407
22 22 Rosa Pater DA2 WAARLAN 2:08.71 (22) 42.903 1.427
23 5 Floor van den Brandt DA2 HAARSTE 2:08.90 (23) 42.966 1.490
24 7 Frederika Buwalda DSA Scharst 2:09.25 (24) 43.083 1.607
25 1 Charlotte Bakker DN1 OUD ALB 2:09.99 (25) 43.330 1.854
26 26 Marianne Timmer DSB HIERDEN 2:10.11 (26) 43.370 1.894 (!!!!!!!!!!)

And to be complete. Selection rules are not clear to me, so only guesses....

10000 m men:
Prequalified: Kramer, De Jong, Verheijen
Top 7 of Sara-list: Probably: Bloemen, W.Olde Heuvel, Ooijevaar, Verweij,
Rykkje, Van der Kieft, Prinsen
2 from 5000m of Dutch championhips (or 3, as Rykkje quit skating)

5000 m women
Prequalified: Groenewold, Voorhuis, E. de Vries
Top 5 from SARA-list: Probably: Wüst, Van Deutekom, Smit, Van der Geest, Vis
2 wild cards. Probably: Van der Weijden, Kleinsman

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#44502 From: Øyvind Erstad <oe-ers@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:34 pm
Subject: 10k 1972 		yngveyngveyngve
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The last three laps of both Ard & Keesie`s 10k in Sapporo is now available on
NOS:

http://schaatsen.nos.nl/video/bekijk/id/tcm:5-593488/title/sapporo-1972-ard-klop\
t-keessie

Also Heiden WCh-77, but this only for the Dutch...

regards øyvind erstad

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#44501 From: "dirk_p_broer" <Dirk_P_Broer@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:26 am
Subject: 5000m men rankinglist, top-40 season lowland and all-time lowland 		dirk_p_broer
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Did I use the word 'amazing' for Davos on the 1000m,
I would like to use 'astounding' for Kramer on the 5000m.
(and there are lot's more where they came from (amazing, astounding, etc.))

This season's top-40 best performances 5000m men on lowland rinks:
   6.14.69 KRAMER Sven          NED Berlin      091107  1
   6.17.17 BØKKO Håvard         NOR Berlin      091107  2
   6.19.22 de JONG Bob          NED Berlin      091107  3
   6.19.68     de Jong         ( 2) Berlin      091024  1
   6.20.71     Kramer S        ( 2) H'veen      091030  1
   6.21.91 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED Berlin      091107  4
   6.22.38 CONTIN Alexis        FRA Berlin      091107  1
   6.23.07 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED Berlin      091107  5
   6.23.13     de Jong         ( 3) H'veen      091030  2
   6.23.40 SKOBREV Ivan         RUS Berlin      091107  6
                           - 10-           -  7-
   6.24.22 VERWEIJ Koen         NED Berlin      091107  7
   6.24.24     Bøkko           ( 2) Hamar       091023  1
   6.24.56     de Jong         ( 4) Berlin      091003  1
   6.24.88 DOBBIN Shane         NZL Berlin      091107  2
   6.24.97     Skobrev         ( 2) Moskva      091023  1
   6.24.99 DAVIS Shani          USA Berlin      091107  8
   6.25.05 BLOKHUIJSEN Jan      NED Berlin      091003  2
   6.25.33     Olde Heuvel W   ( 2) H'veen      091030  3
   6.25.84 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Berlin      091107  9
   6.26.37     Verweij         ( 2) H'veen      091030  4
                           - 20-           - 12-
   6.26.59 de VRIES Bob         NED Berlin      091003  3
   6.26.81     Davis S         ( 2) Milwaukee   091010  1
   6.26.92 HEDRICK Chad         USA Berlin      091107 10
   6.27.27     Verheijen       ( 2) H'veen      091030  5
   6.28.21 BERGSMA Jorrit      "KAZ"Tsjeljabinsk091022  1
   6.28.25     Blokhuijsen     ( 2) H'veen      091030  6
   6.28.28     Bergsma         ( 2) Berlin      091003  4
   6.28.60 JONGEJAN Ben         NED Berlin      091003  5
   6.28.71 MAKOWSKY Lucas       CAN Berlin      091107 11
   6.29.30 GIROUX Mathieu       CAN Berlin      091107  3
                           - 30-           - 18-
   6.29.95 van der KIEFT Arjen  NED H'veen      091030  7
   6.29.99 LEE Seung-Hoon       KOR Berlin      091107  4
   6.30.11 HIRAKO Hiroki        JPN Berlin      091107 12
   6.30.15 ROTTEVEEL Renz       NED H'veen      091030  8
   6.30.43     v d Kieft       ( 2) Erfurt      091003  1
   6.30.54 SCHNEIDER Tobias     GER Berlin      091107  5
   6.30.85     Blokhuijsen     ( 3) Groningen   091014  1
   6.30.90     Davis S         ( 3) Milwaukee   091022  1
   6.30.92     Hedrick         ( 2) Milwaukee   091022  2
   6.31.17 BLOEMEN Ted-Jan      NED H'veen      091030  9
                           - 40-           - 24-

All-time top-40 5000m men lowland rinks:
   6.09.74 KRAMER Sven          NED Hamar       090207  1
   6.09.76     Kramer S        ( 2) Berlin      061117  1
   6.11.78     Kramer S        ( 3) Kolomna     080112  1
   6.12.97     Kramer S        ( 4) H'veen      070209  1
   6.13.35     Kramer S        ( 5) Berlin      080209  1
   6.14.32     Kramer S        ( 6) H'veen      081115  1
   6.14.68 HEDRICK Chad         USA Torino      060211  1
   6.14.69     Kramer S        ( 7) Berlin      091107  1
   6.14.70 ROMME Gianni         NED Berlin      041120  1
   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 8) H'veen      060303  1
			 - 10-  -  3-
   6.14.90     Kramer S        ( 9) H'veen      081031  1
   6.15.10     Kramer S        (10) H'veen      080223  1
   6.15.26     Kramer S        (11) H'veen      071208  1
   6.15.74     Kramer S        (12) Berlin      081107  1
   6.15.76     Kramer S        (13) H'veen      090109  1
   6.15.94     Bøkko           ( 4) Hamar       090207  2
   6.16.02     Kramer S        (14) Erfurt      090130  1
   6.16.16 VERHEIJEN Carl       NED H'veen      070209  2
   6.16.20     Kramer S        (15) Richmond    090313  1
   6.16.23     Hedrick         ( 2) Milwaukee   081026  1
			 - 20-  -  4-
   6.16.40     Kramer S        (16) Torino      060211  2
   6.16.49     Verheijen C     ( 2) Berlin      061117  2
   6.16.64     Kramer S        (17) H'veen      061111  1
   6.16.74 GRØDUM Øystein       NOR Berlin      041120  2
   6.16.77     Kramer S        (18) H'veen      081227  1
   6.17.17 BØKKO Håvard         NOR Berlin      091107  2
   6.17.24     Kramer S        (19) Nagano      080306  1
   6.17.32 ERVIK Eskil          NOR Berlin      061117  3
   6.17.45     Bøkko           ( 2) Kolomna     080112  2
   6.17.58     Verheijen C     ( 3) H'veen      051227  1
			 - 30-  -  7-
   6.17.64     Bøkko           ( 3) Berlin      080209  2
   6.17.69 OLDE HEUVEL Wouter   NED Kolomna     080112  3
   6.17.86 FABRIS Enrico        ITA Kolomna     080112  4
   6.18.02     Bøkko           ( 4) Richmond    090313  2
   6.18.12     Verheijen C     ( 4) Berlin      041120  3
   6.18.16 DE JONG Bob          NED Berlin      041120  4
   6.18.25     Fabris          ( 2) Torino      060211  3
   6.18.31     Kramer S        (20) Torino      070204  1
   6.18.34     Fabris          ( 3) Berlin      041120  5
   6.18.35     Bøkko           ( 5) H'veen      071208  2
			 - 40-  - 10-

Again thanks to Evert Stenlund

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