thanks Michiel!
i believe i'm on this list now, but am afraid I still don't get the
msgs in my regular mailbox :(
Ron

--- In Speed_skating@y..., "LP Darvis & M Jansen" <patmi@w...> wrote:
> Hi I tried it, and I think it works:
>
> go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Speed_skating
>
> Click join this group, make a new account for youself (join Yahoo),
>
> Return to the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Speed_skating website.
Now try join this group again. It will show all the data you
> entered when you subscribed. Then click ok. It should say you
entered. And the last part: verify the e-mail adress you entered so
> you will receive e-mails in the future.
>
> I hope this helps,
> Michiel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Broersma" <rbpsron@w...>
> To: "Int. SpeedskatingMaillist" <skate@u...>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:23 PM
> Subject: [skate] HELP ? How to join the new list ?
>
>
> > Anyone could tell me how to access the new maillist and how to
make it
> > possible that the emails land in my 'normal' emailaccount ??
> > I've visited that Yahoo-site now a few times, even created an
Yahoo-account
> > but I must be doing something very wrong :(((((((
> > Can't get access to the new list :(
> >
> > Anyone, PLEASE ????
> >
> >
> > Have fun out there,
> >
> > Ron Broersma [mailto:rbpsron@w...]
> > Veenendaal - The Netherlands
> > Webmaster Icespeedskating Times Database on
> > http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Sideline/2951/
> > fax +31 318589801
> > cell phone +31 653744457
> >
> >

A big problem with the new list:

The messages reach me as sent from the individual list members; not from the
list.

This 1) makes it impossible to filter the list mail from other mail to my
"speedskating" email account, and makes a total mess out of my until now
rather tidy mail system. I get a large number of mails each day, and simply
can't live with un-sorted mail.

2) This also turns any attempt to reply to the list into a personal mail to
the one who sent the mail I'm replying to.

If that wasn't enough, it seems like my mail application (Entourage; part of
MS Office 2001) have something against Yahoo mail ‹ probably related to it
labelling mail from most American ISPs as "junk".

The only solution I can see, is to un-subscribe and read the list from the
web page.

With permanent Internet access I can do this ‹ with dialled access, I'd
simply have to drop the list. Anyway, this would most probably cut down on
my contributions...

I'm also still wondering why my own test mail used about 6 hours to get back
to me. It's not that I wasn't yet registred as a subscriber ‹ I got several
other messages from the new list in the meantime.


--------------------

T.B.Hansen

Jens Bjelkes gate 7
N-0562 Oslo, Norway

Tel (+47) 22 37 21 50
Fax (+47) 22 37 85 30

speedskating@...
www.skyggespill.no

trying something, sorry.
this drives me crazy :(
ron

how long?
hans

Irene Postma wrote:

>> Wondering how long this message will take to show up in my mailbox.
...
> That is fast!
> Who said it was 20 minutes?

I measured some 24 minutes last time;
but on my last message it took for yahoo only 1 minute to return,
while Köln took 8 minutes.
Guess it all depends on coincidence (as a lot of things do)

May coincidence bless you

Keessie

Matthias Opatz wrote:
>
> What do you think about?

It would be a good idea.

> Who would enter this possible Shortrrack maillist?

Not me

Keessie

Hi I tried it, and I think it works:

go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Speed_skating

Click join this group, make a new account for youself (join Yahoo),

Return to the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Speed_skating website. Now try join
this group again. It will show all the data you
entered when you subscribed. Then click ok. It should say you entered. And the
last part: verify the e-mail adress you entered so
you will receive e-mails in the future.

I hope this helps,
Michiel


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Broersma" <rbpsron@...>
To: "Int. SpeedskatingMaillist" <skate@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: [skate] HELP ? How to join the new list ?


> Anyone could tell me how to access the new maillist and how to make it
> possible that the emails land in my 'normal' emailaccount ??
> I've visited that Yahoo-site now a few times, even created an Yahoo-account
> but I must be doing something very wrong :(((((((
> Can't get access to the new list :(
>
> Anyone, PLEASE ????
>
>
> Have fun out there,
>
> Ron Broersma [mailto:rbpsron@...]
> Veenendaal - The Netherlands
> Webmaster Icespeedskating Times Database on
> http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Sideline/2951/
> fax +31 318589801
> cell phone +31 653744457
>
>

I just signed up to Yahoo !!

Ole Lunden

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
Speed_skating group:

Would you like to see ranking lists of
skaters and/or rinks on a regular basis
on this list?

   o Yes
   o No
   o Rather buy them from Tron Eng
   o Rather see them on website
   o Make'm myself!


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Speed_skating/polls

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

----- Original Message -----

From: T.B. Hansen

To: NY skřteliste (Yahoo)

Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:15 PM

Subject: [Speed_skating] Test

Test


--------------------

T.B.Hansen

Jens Bjelkes gate 7
N-0562 Oslo, Norway

Tel (+47) 22 37 21 50
Fax (+47) 22 37 85 30

speedskating@...
www.skyggespill.no




To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Speed_skating-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

On the occation of founding a new Speedskating maillist I will suggest
to share the maillist, it means: to found an extra maillist for
Shorttrack.

I know, there is much lower traffic regarding Shorttrack than
Longtrack. Bus it is an additional reason to share, because it is some
difficult to find two Shorttrack related posts inside 100 posts.
If you are interested in both parts of Speedskating subscribing both
maillist is available.

An requirement is that there are enouth subscribers for an extra
Shorttrack maillist. It think 20 members are the minimum.
In case of founding an extra Shorttrack maillist I will announce it on
my Shorttrack page and in the Shorttrack newsletter (at time about 300
subscribere, I think some of them will also subscribe a Shorttrack
maillist).

What do you think about?
Who would enter this possible Shortrrack maillist?


--
Matthias Opatz
Editor of http://www.packstyle.de/
Shorttrack Speedskating Online Magazine
Free Shorttrack Newsletter: subscribe@...

Guess I am next...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-skate@...
[mailto:owner-skate@...]
> On Behalf Of Irene Postma
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2001 9:26 AM
> To: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Skate
> Subject: [skate] Antw: [Speed_skating] Re: Test
>
> That is fast!
> Who said it was 20 minutes?
> Irene P.
> Editor Speedskating World
>
> o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o
> o.o.o.o.o.o.o.MAY.GOD.BLESS.YOU.o.o.o.o.o.o.o
> o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o
>
> ----------
> >Van: irenep@...
> >Aan: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
> >Onderwerp: [Speed_skating] Re: Test
> >Datum: din, 2 okt 2001 17:24
> >
>
> >--- In Speed_skating@y..., "T.B. Hansen" <speedskating@s...> wrote:
> >> Test
> >>
> >
> >One for me as well. I made it here. Doesn't seem that bad. Wondering
> >how long this message will take to show up in my mailbox.
> >
> >Who is next
> >
> >
> >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
---------------------~-->
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> >CLICK HERE to search
> >600,000 scholarships!
> >http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/NYywlB/TM
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------~-
>
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >Speed_skating-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> --
> "Irene Postma" <irenep@...>
> Posted to skate, the speedskating mailing list.
> Send 'help' to majordomo@... for info about (un)subscribing.

Repost of an older message (to trial the new list only)
-------------------------------------------------------

Former German Junior Champion (1997) Anja Schneiderheinze of Erfurt stopped
their skating carrier und changed to bobsledding.
She placed 8th in an International bobpushing competition in Oberhof
previos weekend.
The reason to stop their carrier was non-qualifying for World Cup last
year - it was the requirement to keep her professional training (as an
border guard).

Matthias Opatz

------------------------
Supply: Anja schneiderheinze did have a special complaint between 1998
and 2000 (Pfeiffer's disease; glandular fever), and in her opinion it
is the main reason for mediocrity in skating.

That is fast!
Who said it was 20 minutes?
Irene P.
Editor Speedskating World

o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o
o.o.o.o.o.o.o.MAY.GOD.BLESS.YOU.o.o.o.o.o.o.o
o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o

----------
>Van: irenep@...
>Aan: Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
>Onderwerp: [Speed_skating] Re: Test
>Datum: din, 2 okt 2001 17:24
>

>--- In Speed_skating@y..., "T.B. Hansen" <speedskating@s...> wrote:
>> Test
>>
>
>One for me as well. I made it here. Doesn't seem that bad. Wondering
>how long this message will take to show up in my mailbox.
>
>Who is next
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>Speed_skating-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

--- In Speed_skating@y..., "T.B. Hansen" <speedskating@s...> wrote:
> Test
>

One for me as well. I made it here. Doesn't seem that bad. Wondering
how long this message will take to show up in my mailbox.

Who is next

Test


--------------------

T.B.Hansen

Jens Bjelkes gate 7
N-0562 Oslo, Norway

Tel (+47) 22 37 21 50
Fax (+47) 22 37 85 30

speedskating@...
www.skyggespill.no

I wrote:

> Go for Yahoo.

However....:
As this was a test message as well to both lists; the test showed
that uni-koeln.de takes approx. 5 minutes to reach my mailbox,
while yahoo takes some 20 minutes.
Too much traffic over the ocean back and forth for yahoo, or just
a bad moment?

Keessie

Marcel Warnaar wrote:

Jeroen Heijmans:
> > I fear that
> > a repeat of the current situation is more likely with a private host
> > that with a commercial host.
>
> *I* would like to support that conclusion. In the old days of internet,
> universities were about the only place connected to the internet. So, it was
> not strange that the list was set up there. In fact it was not strange that
> university (or other institution's) computers were used for private hobbies
> of the ones who had access to it.
> Now internet has grown up and become widely accessible, this use of the
> computers is not tolerated anymore, if not downright forbidden by virtually
> all institutions and firms. So, looking for that one institution that has
> not yet done so, or is not checking its employees yet, is not the way to go
> IMO.
>
> IMO, reliablity of the list service should be priority no. 1. Someone having
> the list on his home computer is not reliable. What happens if electricity
> falls out, when he is on holiday? Or worse, when he is visiting the Olympics
> ?

You forget: hard disk crash, virus attack, windows/OS crash...
And you definitely need a good firewall.

LEF:
> I haven't heard
> anything from the guy in Canada who offered to host our list, so I guess
> I have to remind him again.

Not really reliable either...

So I very much agree with Marcel.
Go for Yahoo.

greetings Kees

This message is about to see how the new speedskatinglist is supposed to work.

Harm

sorry, testing

Ron

Ron,
I don't remember how I subscribed at Yahoo but I definitely get the messages
in my private (corporate) email account.

Sake - also testing to speed_skating

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Broersma [mailto:rbpsron@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:14 PM
To: skate@...
Subject: RE: [skate] Yahoo and The future of the list 'skate' (please
read!)

A question to the specialists here:

Am I right that the only way to subscribe to the mentioned Yahoo-skate group
is by creating a Yahoo-account ?
What means that these messages arrive only in the Yahoo-mailbox and not at
your normal email-account ?

Just visited that Yahoo-site, saw some messages there from a few of our
listmembers, but can't subscribe without that forced Yahoo-account :-(

If this is the only possibilty at Yahoo then I don't like this at all. The
friendlyness of uni-koeln is that the messages are delivered at your own
private email-account.
But maybe I'm all wrong here ?


Have fun out there,

Ron Broersma [mailto:rbpsron@...]

Sean Maw:
> Let's get a move on.  Go with Yahoo.  We'll deal with it as we go.


I 2nd that!

Arie van der Werf, Alkmaar.

Timmertje, timmertje, waar ben je mee bezig. (test only)

Kees de Vroege wrote:
>
> TESTING
>
> This is my first message to speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
> I just joined that list. When I post messages, as a member
> to skate@egroups.com it doesn't come through ?!

I send this test message twice!

First at 13:44 dutch time, and arrived back 4 hours later.
So I sent the 2nd copy, and that took 6 minutes...

For both messages I put in a CC: to skate@...,
and both haven't reached [skate] (yet!)

Ar there any traffic jams today?

--
Kees,
               **
              *               ^     ^
              *         ^                ^
             *                    ^
           **              ^                         ^
          *
          *
.........||...........................................
          || Kees(KC) de Vroege
          || IRI dept of Radiation Physics
.....-...|| Delft University of Technology
    /   \ || The Netherlands
    |   | || tel: (+31) 0152784701 (work)
    |   | || Email: devroege@...
.=========............................................
http://www.iri.tudelft.nl/~devroege/sch/skate.html

TESTING

This is my first message to speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
I just joined that list. When I post messages, as a member
to skate@egroups.com it doesn't come through ?!

--
Kees,
               **
              *               ^     ^
              *         ^                ^
             *                    ^
           **              ^                         ^
          *
          *
.........||...........................................
          || Kees(KC) de Vroege
          || IRI dept of Radiation Physics
.....-...|| Delft University of Technology
    /   \ || The Netherlands
    |   | || tel: (+31) 0152784701 (work)
    |   | || Email: devroege@...
.=========............................................
http://www.iri.tudelft.nl/~devroege/sch/skate.html

This is not bothersome at all!

Let's go for this one.

Marcel

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeroen Heijmans <J.Heijmans@...>
To: <Speed_skating@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Speed_skating] TEST


> Kees de Vroege wrote:
> >
> > TESTING
> >
> > This is my first message to speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
> > I just joined that list. When I post messages, as a member
> > to skate@egroups.com it doesn't come through ?!
> >
> > --
> > Kees,
> Probably because skate@egroups is not a real group at yahoo, just
> a remote group. Also, it might be that the group needs to be
> converted from eGroups to Yahoo!
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Speed_skating-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Kees de Vroege wrote:
>
> TESTING
>
> This is my first message to speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
> I just joined that list. When I post messages, as a member
> to skate@egroups.com it doesn't come through ?!
>
> --
> Kees,
Probably because skate@egroups is not a real group at yahoo, just
a remote group. Also, it might be that the group needs to be
converted from eGroups to Yahoo!

TESTING

This is my first message to speed_skating@yahoogroups.com
I just joined that list. When I post messages, as a member
to skate@egroups.com it doesn't come through ?!

--
Kees,
               **
              *               ^     ^
              *         ^                ^
             *                    ^
           **              ^                         ^
          *
          *
.........||...........................................
          || Kees(KC) de Vroege
          || IRI dept of Radiation Physics
.....-...|| Delft University of Technology
    /   \ || The Netherlands
    |   | || tel: (+31) 0152784701 (work)
    |   | || Email: devroege@...
.=========............................................
http://www.iri.tudelft.nl/~devroege/sch/skate.html

None member posting .....

1,2
1,2
this is just a test