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Re: Olympic qualification times

Jeroen Heijmans:

> Well, yeah, but your remark was that "speed skating is hurting itself by
limiting its participation (...) to pursuit a dream of live TV coverage", which
is may be true for the other competitions, but since the ISU allows more
competitors into the Olympics than the WSD, that's a rather odd statement to
make, right?

It was a general comment on ISU politics, aimed at the comment to the post about
Olympic time limits; not at the post about the limits itself.

> However, qualifying times may not be the best way to pick a maximum number of
competitors. Why not, if the quotum for a distance is 40, pick the 40 fastest
skaters, rather than all skaters that have met some limit that will probably be
met by some 40 skaters?

Without national quotas, that would mean that the bulk of the participants would
come from a few countries, and that there would be no participants from
'smaller' countries. Which would be very bad and stregthen the usual argument,
that speed skating is a small and indignificant sport.

With national quotas, it might lead to the participation of a few skaters that
would not meat the strict criteria the ISU want to be met. Which is OK for me,
but bad in the eyes of the ISU.

Anyway, the idea of a ranking -- being it based on times or on World Cup
achievements --- deciding the participation of a one-time event, violates my
ideas of a one-time event.

I simply want such an event to allow the start of the athletes that's the best
at the moment of the event -- not those who peaked two or three months before to
meet the qaulification criteria.


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T.B.Hansen

(whith a slight fever that might make his English a little strange.)




Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:43 am

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... Actually, I see a lot of skaters that will miss these marks in Vancouver.... I think that is funny you have to skate faster than what you will skate at...
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... When speed skating was Norway's most popular winter sports, the totally amateur participants from 'exotic' countries were always among the public's...
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... No it's not. The IOC has imposed a limit on the number of speed skating competitors, so the ISU needs some way to select them....
Jeroen Heijmans
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Jul 12, 2009
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... ISU needs some way to select them. ... The ISU started its limitation policy long before the IOC came to think of it, and they apply them to their own ISU...
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... Well, as a matter of fact there was no participation limit until the 1924 OG where each country could enter only 4 skaters in each distance. As this...
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Jul 13, 2009
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... That's national quotas. Qualification times were introduced by the ISU in the 1980's; originally to avoid skaters from Spain and Greece. ... TBH...
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... Well, yeah, but your remark was that "speed skating is hurting itself by limiting its participation (...) to pursuit a dream of live TV coverage", which is...
Jeroen Heijmans
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Jul 14, 2009
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... It was a general comment on ISU politics, aimed at the comment to the post about Olympic time limits; not at the post about the limits itself. ... Without...
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TB Hansen; "Without national quotas, that would mean that the bulk of the participants would come from a few countries, and that there would be no...
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Patrick, I agree 100% with you. As long as you speak of World Cups, World Championships, or the like. Why does speedskating even have national quotas is...
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... Speed skating surely needs to focus on popularity in the few countries where it's already popular. But that's not the same thing as keeping other countries...
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These are very sharp qualification times. I guess potential candidates at least have to go to Calgary or SLC to skate these times. And even then: I calculated...
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Is this the same tournament that has as its motto "participation is more important than winning" ? They should state lowland and highland limits for both...
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