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#15911 From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet. 		etwwinc
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Pictures of the Bionic  wedgie were posted last year, it's the red bike behind my custom recumbent.  The $400 NiMH 20 cell battery pack is concealed inside of the thin extruded aluminum frame, with a small servo motor in the rear hub and a tork sensor crank, (pedal assist).  You have to pedal to make it go, it caps out just over 20 mph but it's the acceleration that's impressive.  The bike is very fast in tight turns, short sprints, up hill and against the wind.  I have gone over 30 miles on a single charge, the energy cell can be charged up to 2000 times before replacement.  It's not a recumbent replacement but a darn good stable mate and a fun bike. 
 
I got it from Super Kids, the Million $$ Man only sells Old School. This is High Tech and is considered Greener than a regular bicycle, so green that my accountant got me a tax credit the year I got it.
 
                                                       Ride-On ..........ET
 

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...> wrote:
From: BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:24 AM


also ride a bionic diamond frame
Hey ET,

Please post pics and details about your BIONIC DF. Did the Million Dollar Man sell it to you?

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingS olutions. com
http://www.getbent. org


-----Original Message-----
From: ET Williams <etwwinc@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

Greetings, you have been given excellent advise by all involved. The best thing to do is to get involved and Okeehelee park is a  good place to start. We are small group that rides most Saturday mornings, rides are based on smiles and camaraderie rather than speed and distance.
  You will fit in well with your diamond frame as I also ride a bionic diamond frame when not riding my custom recumbent and my custom recumbent is smaller & faster than my diamond frame.
  Choosing the right recumbent is a difficult task, I have made the wrong choice twice with bikes that were no fun, and sold them at a substantial loss.       ............ ......ET
 
            
  

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, mcgavind <mcgavind@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: mcgavind <mcgavind@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:28 PM

Thank you, all of you! Keep it coming! I am a newbie and want to get
the "right" bike this time around. I appreciate the advice I have
received so far. When are the rides and from where? How do I find out?
I have ridden a couple of Atlantic bents around the parking lot (don't
remember the names, Josh), but I'd love to ride my Lemond with you guys
to see what it is like "close-up-and- personal" and for a longer time
frame. Let me know where and when. How many are you , anyway? I'll be
at Art Basel this Saturday, but after that (assuming I can correct final
exams in a hurry), I'll be available until the 20th and then after that
the 1st and from then on til May, when I go to Michigan for the summer.
Looking forward to it! Oh, BTW, the closet can hold only the size of a
regular bike; I have been out of the closet so long I can hardly
remember the dimensions!!

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "seragram"
<seragram@.. .> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Ted" teabone@
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
> >
> > Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> > from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> > this time I think he's wrong).
> >
> >I agree with you on this one.
> he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
> has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
> and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
> love"
> (efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will
commute?
>
> In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> Sergio
>




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#15912 From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		etwwinc
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Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others.  Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast..............................ET

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...> wrote:
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM

Hey Gang,
 
I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is the "Ride Du Jour?"
 
Bob
W.Melbourne

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM



--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua Beatty"
<sprout_4u@. ..> wrote:
>
> Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you missed
a
> fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
me
> today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15 MPH
> into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike with
> 16" wheels.
>
> First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a massive
> headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed me
> down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
got
> to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
think
> it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as he
> clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
gentle
> fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
looking
> gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we started
> to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on going
> not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were going
> 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over as
> well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
get
> upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy made
> sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike and
> maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
bagel
> shop.
>
> After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see it
> was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
bridge
> and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
was
> the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone wants
to
> go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
Faster,
> Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was a
> lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
down,
> I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back there.
> So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When we
> were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep us
> together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
>
> Josh
>

Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this sunday?
I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is goin
to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami.. the
one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,

let me know

sammy




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#15913 From: Cyclesab3@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 6:46 pm
Subject: lake O 		catrike77
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Early this year we did a One Day ride around the lake...
 
Does any body remember who the group of sponsored club riding uprights were ?
 
maybee we can schedule our 2009 ride at the same time as those guys and gals as it was fun riding with them especially as they had a fully catered rolling sag wagon !
 
Tom....
 
any info on why the Lake O cyclists web site is dormant ?
 
 
steve b




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#15914 From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 11:56 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet. 		bentwheeler
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While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience
LOL. Well, as long as this is done humbly..... I accept your recognition of my divine bent status. I too am a humble BentRider but I just don't understand why they don't erect a statue that honors my humility. :-D

Here's a new recommendation for new bent riders. You should really consider getting at least four bikes. One high racer for the open road, one low racer for the track, one compact long wheel base for commuting, one short wheel base for the heck of it and one trike for the fun of it. Ok.... my math is bad but who cares.....

Jose who really hopes new members take all of my/our BS (spelled with upper case B and upper case S) seriously just because it is more fun that way Hernandez

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
___________________________________________________________
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
http://www.getbent.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted <teabone@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.


Hose,

While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience, I
still think that McGavinD might soon be disappointed with anything
slower than a highracer. However, your criticisms are valid. I just
think that the benefits outweigh the liabilities.

Recap follows for McGavinD:

Hose said: "I didn't think it handled well on trails where you have
lots of tight turns and you may need to bike at a very low speed."

- This is true to a degree, especially if you ride it in it's most
efficient, very reclined position. In this laid back position you lose
the view of the ground directly ahead of your front wheel and you are
not able to employ body english for tricky maneuvers. I've cultivated
a kind of "look ahead" peripheral-type vision that allows me to
anticipate, mostly obviating the need to see the front wheel on the
pavement.

In cases where I need to "thread a needle", I unclip at least one foot
(sometimes both) and lean forward off the seat back. With the short
wheelbase of the highracer (pretty close to that of a DF), in this
position I find that I have very near the handling of a DF (pls pardon
the profanity) including body english. It doesn't happen all that
often, but has become second nature to me when needed.

Joe said: "I'm gonna step in from afar (China) and suggest ye join one
of Jose's or Josh's or the Okee rides so you can see the different
bents up close and personal....I'm will'n to bet someone will actually
let you test ride one in a big ol empty parking lot."

- I heartily second this. Actually, ride multiple times before
deciding, if you can. Since the balance and the muscle groups used are
different, it take a bit of getting used to before you can make a
sound judgment. In reality , it will take 500-600 miles to become
fully acclimated, so keep an open mind on your test rides and know
that the initial strangeness becomes "as natural as riding a bike"
with time.

I started with my seat fairly upright and then lowered it a notch
every couple weeks, allowing my mind time to adjust.

Sergio said: "Bacchetta high racers will ride faster than what you got
once you get use to it and be more confortable."

- Yup, he's right about that.

Another thing that has not been mentioned yet... Riding in the
efficiently reclined highracer position makes it difficult to look
behind you. A mirror (or two) is a requirement. Joe does well with the
"Take-A-Look" helmet mounted small mirror. I like the handlebar
mounted type. When making a potentially life threatening move in
traffic I still rely on a direct (not reflected) view. To look behind
requires that I lean forward a bit (again off the seat back) to be
able to swivel my head far enough to see directly behind me. This is
easier to do on one of the more upright (and therefore less efficient)
bikes such as the CLWB (4 letter word, Hose ;-) ).

Early in my highracer experience I had difficulties with numb toes
after a few miles. I attribute it to the higher bottom bracket. Much
excellent advice was offered on this forum on how to cope with it. I
think that time has been the best cure as it doesn't happen nearly as
often or as quickly as before. I may have grown more capillaries in my
feet to compensate.

All in all, any recumbent bike model will be far more comfortable. The
highracer just allows you to comfortable at a higher speed.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
<seragram@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> > Sergio
> >
> >
> > And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that
> two letter word :-)
>
> I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
> his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose likes to
> ride.
> Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)
>


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#15915 From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet. 		bentwheeler
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I'm glad you found us and I hope you stick with us even if it takes 1000 posts to get one bit of good information!!!

Welcome to our dysfunctional family!!!
Jose, I enjoyed your blog.
 
Dan McGavin



Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
___________________________________________________________
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
http://www.getbent.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel McGavin <mcgavind@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 1:30 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

Jose, I enjoyed your blog.
 
Dan McGavin


From: "BentWheeler@AOL.com" <BentWheeler@AOL.com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 10:17:03 PM
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.


In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
Sergio

And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that two letter word :-)

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingS olutions. com
http://www.getbent. org


-----Original Message-----
From: seragram <seragram@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Ted" <teabone@... >
wrote:
>
> I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
>
> Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> this time I think he's wrong).
>
>I agree with you on this one.
he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
love"
(efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?

In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
Sergio



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#15916 From: "Ted" <teabone@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:09 am
Subject: Re: lake O 		teabone001
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Steve -

That group was organized by Velo's Cyclery here in Boynton Beach.
Since it's just down the road I'll check with them to find out when
the next ride is planned. They did one not too long ago... maybe
October. If we plan to "officially" ride with them, we should donate a
few bucks to support the sag wagon. That's how they work it out.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, Cyclesab3@... wrote:
>
> Early this year we did a One Day ride around the lake...
>
> Does any body remember who the group of sponsored club riding
uprights were  ?
>
> maybee we can schedule our 2009 ride at the same time as those guys
and  gals
> as it was fun riding with them especially as they had a fully catered
> rolling sag wagon !
>
> Tom....
>
> any info on why the Lake O cyclists web site is dormant ?
>
> _LOST Bicycle  Club 2_
(http://www.lostcyclist.net/lostcyclists/index.html)
>
> steve b
> **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
the NEW
> AOL.com.
>
(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)
>

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#15917 From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:16 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		divebob8
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Sounds like a plan!
 
Bob

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, ET Williams <etwwinc@...> wrote:
From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:27 PM

Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others.  Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast... ......... ......... ......... ET

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM

Hey Gang,
 
I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is the "Ride Du Jour?"
 
Bob
W.Melbourne

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM



--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua Beatty"
<sprout_4u@. ..> wrote:
>
> Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you missed
a
> fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
me
> today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15 MPH
> into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike with
> 16" wheels.
>
> First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a massive
> headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed me
> down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
got
> to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
think
> it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as he
> clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
gentle
> fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
looking
> gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we started
> to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on going
> not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were going
> 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over as
> well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
get
> upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy made
> sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike and
> maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
bagel
> shop.
>
> After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see it
> was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
bridge
> and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
was
> the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone wants
to
> go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
Faster,
> Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was a
> lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
down,
> I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back there.
> So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When we
> were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep us
> together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
>
> Josh
>

Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this sunday?
I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is goin
to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami.. the
one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,

let me know

sammy





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#15918 From: "Joshua Beatty" <sprout_4u@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 1:09 am
Subject: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride... 		sprout_4u
Send Email Send Email
  
Thanks EZ...  With the condition my joints are in I will probably be
using it long before you "OLD TIMERS" do anyway.  Did I forget to
mention that the Rans X-Treme is due to arrive next week.


Josh
--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ken aka EZ
Biker :-)" <ez_biker@...> wrote:
>
> I've gotten mine up to 3 MEGA mph, on my way to Century Village
Bingo
> Bonanza Night. (The babes there have been checking me out, BIG TIME)
> Colors? Wicked Red, Seduction Pink, Bold Black and Dreamy Blue. Mine
> is the Bold Black as the Pink was on back order... ;-) Shimano
brakes
> have been ordered for it and I'm still toying with a possible
> fairing... EuroMesh sounds like a great idea! (Thanks Hose!) And
> finally, "NO... :-( " I won't be part of the Inlet Challenge as I
> continue to try and save up my pennies for... (Future X...???). BUT,
> I'll be doing the 62 route starting at 5 AM, to avoid getting
whipped
> by any DFer's or you SNEAKY (REALLY FAST SFRR types) :-)
> By the way, I'm wondering if Josh might be considering carrying this
> line of HOT WHEELS... ;-) (Might as well take a shot at him
too... ;-)
> EZ (Shootin everyone) Biker :-)
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
> <seragram@> wrote: ...I may need one soon.
> > Come to think of it that contraction maybe a big seller here at
> > SFRR.
> > Sergio (LMAO)
> >
>

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#15919 From: "Joshua Beatty" <sprout_4u@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 1:17 am
Subject: Re: lake O 		sprout_4u
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Steve they were from a bike shop out of palm beach, the same guy rode
with us in the Boca ride of silence.  I can't remember the name
though, any one else????

Josh
--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, Cyclesab3@...
wrote:
>
> Early this year we did a One Day ride around the lake...
>
> Does any body remember who the group of sponsored club riding
uprights were  ?
>
> maybee we can schedule our 2009 ride at the same time as those guys
and  gals
> as it was fun riding with them especially as they had a fully
catered
> rolling sag wagon !
>
> Tom....
>
> any info on why the Lake O cyclists web site is dormant ?
>
> _LOST Bicycle  Club 2_
(http://www.lostcyclist.net/lostcyclists/index.html)
>
> steve b
> **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
the NEW
> AOL.com.
> (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-
dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)
>

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#15920 From: "Joshua Beatty" <sprout_4u@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 1:19 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet. 		sprout_4u
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My advice is to take Jose's advice, and please come buy them from
Atlantic Bicycle....
Josh
>
> While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
> knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience
> LOL. Well, as long as this is done humbly..... I accept your
recognition of my divine bent status. I too am a humble BentRider but
I?just don't understand why they don't erect a statue that honors my
humility.
>
> Here's a new recommendation for new bent riders. You should really
consider getting at least four bikes. One high racer for the open
road, one low racer for the track, one compact long wheel base for
commuting, one short wheel base for the heck of it and one trike for
the fun of it. Ok.... my math is bad but who cares.....
>
> Jose who really hopes new members?take all of?my/our BS (spelled
with upper case B and upper case S) seriously just because it is more
fun that way Hernandez
>
>
> Jose A. Hernandez
> Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
> ___________________________________________________________
> A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near
you!
> http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
> http://www.getbent.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted <teabone@...>
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 3:08 pm
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hose,
>
> While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
> knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience, I
> still think that McGavinD might soon be disappointed with anything
> slower than a highracer. However, your criticisms are valid. I just
> think that the benefits outweigh the liabilities.
>
> Recap follows for McGavinD:
>
> Hose said: "I didn't think it handled well on trails where you have
> lots of tight turns and you may need to bike at a very low speed."
>
> - This is true to a degree, especially if you ride it in it's most
> efficient, very reclined position. In this laid back position you
lose
> the view of the ground directly ahead of your front wheel and you
are
> not able to employ body english for tricky maneuvers. I've
cultivated
> a kind of "look ahead" peripheral-type vision that allows me to
> anticipate, mostly obviating the need to see the front wheel on the
> pavement.
>
> In cases where I need to "thread a needle", I unclip at least one
foot
> (sometimes both) and lean forward off the seat back. With the short
> wheelbase of the highracer (pretty close to that of a DF), in this
> position I find that I have very near the handling of a DF (pls
pardon
> the profanity) including body english. It doesn't happen all that
> often, but has become second nature to me when needed.
>
> Joe said: "I'm gonna step in from afar (China) and suggest ye join
one
> of Jose's or Josh's or the Okee rides so you can see the different
> bents up close and personal....I'm will'n to bet someone will
actually
> let you test ride one in a big ol empty parking lot."
>
> - I heartily second this. Actually, ride multiple times before
> deciding, if you can. Since the balance and the muscle groups used
are
> different, it take a bit of getting used to before you can make a
> sound judgment. In reality , it will take 500-600 miles to become
> fully acclimated, so keep an open mind on your test rides and know
> that the initial strangeness becomes "as natural as riding a bike"
> with time.
>
> I started with my seat fairly upright and then lowered it a notch
> every couple weeks, allowing my mind time to adjust.
>
> Sergio said: "Bacchetta high racers will ride faster than what you
got
> once you get use to it and be more confortable."
>
> - Yup, he's right about that.
>
> Another thing that has not been mentioned yet... Riding in the
> efficiently reclined highracer position makes it difficult to look
> behind you. A mirror (or two) is a requirement. Joe does well with
the
> "Take-A-Look" helmet mounted small mirror. I like the handlebar
> mounted type. When making a potentially life threatening move in
> traffic I still rely on a direct (not reflected) view. To look
behind
> requires that I lean forward a bit (again off the seat back) to be
> able to swivel my head far enough to see directly behind me. This is
> easier to do on one of the more upright (and therefore less
efficient)
> bikes such as the CLWB (4 letter word, Hose ;-) ).
>
> Early in my highracer experience I had difficulties with numb toes
> after a few miles. I attribute it to the higher bottom bracket. Much
> excellent advice was offered on this forum on how to cope with it. I
> think that time has been the best cure as it doesn't happen nearly
as
> often or as quickly as before. I may have grown more capillaries in
my
> feet to compensate.
>
> All in all, any recumbent bike model will be far more comfortable.
The
> highracer just allows you to comfortable at a higher speed.
>
> Ted
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
> <seragram@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a
highracer.
> > > Sergio
> > >
> > >
> > > And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to
that
> > two letter word :-)
> >
> > I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he
wanted in
> > his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose
likes to
> > ride.
> > Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)
> >
>

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#15921 From: "Joshua Beatty" <sprout_4u@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 1:24 am
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		sprout_4u
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Hey Bob,
If your around Sunday come ride with us on the Sunday morning ride,
it's usually 30 miles, intermediate speed with a stop for breakfast.
It would be nice to ride with you again.

Josh


> Sounds like a plan!
>  
> Bob
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, ET Williams <etwwinc@...> wrote:
>
> From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:27 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think
Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others. 
Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and
pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast... ......... ......... .........
ET
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Gang,
>  
> I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is
the "Ride Du Jour?"
>  
> Bob
> W.Melbourne
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua
Beatty"
> <sprout_4u@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you
missed
> a
> > fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
> me
> > today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> > appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> > Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15
MPH
> > into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike
with
> > 16" wheels.
> >
> > First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a
massive
> > headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed
me
> > down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
> got
> > to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
> think
> > it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as
he
> > clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
> gentle
> > fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> > either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
> looking
> > gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we
started
> > to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on
going
> > not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> > Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were
going
> > 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over
as
> > well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> > SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
> get
> > upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> > standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy
made
> > sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike
and
> > maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> > the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
> bagel
> > shop.
> >
> > After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see
it
> > was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
> bridge
> > and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
> was
> > the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone
wants
> to
> > go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
> Faster,
> > Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was
a
> > lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
> down,
> > I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back
there.
> > So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When
we
> > were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep
us
> > together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> > ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
> >
> > Josh
> >
>
> Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this
sunday?
> I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is
goin
> to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami..
the
> one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,
>
> let me know
>
> sammy
>

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#15922 From: "Ted" <teabone@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 10:47 am
Subject: Re: lake O 		teabone001
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That was likely Juan Orrelano from Velo's Cyclery   

http://www.veloscyclery.com 


--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Beatty" <sprout_4u@...> wrote:
>
> Steve they were from a bike shop out of palm beach, the same guy rode
> with us in the Boca ride of silence. I can't remember the name
> though, any one else????
>
> Josh
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, Cyclesab3@
> wrote:
> >
> > Early this year we did a One Day ride around the lake...
> >
> > Does any body remember who the group of sponsored club riding
> uprights were ?
> >
> > maybee we can schedule our 2009 ride at the same time as those guys
> and gals
> > as it was fun riding with them especially as they had a fully
> catered
> > rolling sag wagon !
> >
> > Tom....
> >
> > any info on why the Lake O cyclists web site is dormant ?
> >
> > _LOST Bicycle Club 2_
> (http://www.lostcyclist.net/lostcyclists/index.html)
> >
> > steve b
> > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
> the NEW
> > AOL.com.
> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-
> dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)
> >
>

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#15923 From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:47 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		divebob8
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Sounds like another plan!!
 
Bob

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@...> wrote:
From: Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@...>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:24 PM

Hey Bob,
If your around Sunday come ride with us on the Sunday morning ride,
it's usually 30 miles, intermediate speed with a stop for breakfast.
It would be nice to ride with you again.

Josh

> Sounds like a plan!
>  
> Bob
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, ET Williams <etwwinc@... > wrote:
>
> From: ET Williams <etwwinc@... >
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:27 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think
Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others. 
Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and
pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast... ......... ......... .........
ET
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Gang,
>  
> I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is
the "Ride Du Jour?"
>  
> Bob
> W.Melbourne
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua
Beatty"
> <sprout_4u@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you
missed
> a
> > fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
> me
> > today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> > appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> > Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15
MPH
> > into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike
with
> > 16" wheels.
> >
> > First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a
massive
> > headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed
me
> > down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
> got
> > to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
> think
> > it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as
he
> > clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
> gentle
> > fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> > either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
> looking
> > gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we
started
> > to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on
going
> > not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> > Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were
going
> > 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over
as
> > well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> > SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
> get
> > upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> > standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy
made
> > sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike
and
> > maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> > the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
> bagel
> > shop.
> >
> > After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see
it
> > was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
> bridge
> > and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
> was
> > the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone
wants
> to
> > go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
> Faster,
> > Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was
a
> > lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
> down,
> > I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back
there.
> > So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When
we
> > were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep
us
> > together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> > ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
> >
> > Josh
> >
>
> Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this
sunday?
> I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is
goin
> to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami..
the
> one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,
>
> let me know
>
> sammy
>



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#15924 From: "Ken aka EZ Biker :-)" <ez_biker@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride... 		ezbiker_2
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Excellent! Let me know when! (I'll come give it a 100 mile test...
ride... By the way, I sent you an email about Twofish products. Do you
carry them or can you order anything from them?
Ken aka EZ Biker :-)


--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Beatty"
<sprout_4u@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks EZ...  With the condition my joints are in I will probably be
> using it long before you "OLD TIMERS" do anyway.  Did I forget to
> mention that the Rans X-Treme is due to arrive next week.
>
>
> Josh

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#15925 From: bill_stevenson@...
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		collegeseatt...
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I will be riding this weekend.  Too bald, too fat, and too old to be interested in chicks though.

Bill
 
-------------- Original message from ET Williams <etwwinc@...>: --------------

Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others.  Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast..............................ET

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM

Hey Gang,
 
I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is the "Ride Du Jour?"
 
Bob
W.Melbourne

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM



--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua Beatty"
<sprout_4u@. ..> wrote:
>
> Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you missed
a
> fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
me
> today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15 MPH
> into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike with
> 16" wheels.
>
> First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a massive
> headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed me
> down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
got
> to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
think
> it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as he
> clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
gentle
> fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
looking
> gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we started
> to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on going
> not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were going
> 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over as
> well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
get
> upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy made
> sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike and
> maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
bagel
> shop.
>
> After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see it
> was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
bridge
> and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
was
> the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone wants
to
> go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
Faster,
> Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was a
> lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
down,
> I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back there.
> So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When we
> were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep us
> together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
>
> Josh
>

Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this sunday?
I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is goin
to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami.. the
one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,

let me know

sammy




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#15926 From: Daniel McGavin <mcgavind@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet. 		mcgavind
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Thanks, Ted.  Sound advice from an experienced rider.  Just what I need.  Thanks to the others as well. I appreciate an active group!!

Josh, I'll be around as soon as possible.

As soon as I can, for sure at the first of the year, I'll be joining some rides. 

Are there any rides/riders in the Delray Beach area?
 
Dan McGavin


From: Ted <teabone@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:08:57 PM
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.


Hose,

While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience, I
still think that McGavinD might soon be disappointed with anything
slower than a highracer. However, your criticisms are valid. I just
think that the benefits outweigh the liabilities.

Recap follows for McGavinD:

Hose said: "I didn't think it handled well on trails where you have
lots of tight turns and you may need to bike at a very low speed."

- This is true to a degree, especially if you ride it in it's most
efficient, very reclined position. In this laid back position you lose
the view of the ground directly ahead of your front wheel and you are
not able to employ body english for tricky maneuvers. I've cultivated
a kind of "look ahead" peripheral-type vision that allows me to
anticipate, mostly obviating the need to see the front wheel on the
pavement.

In cases where I need to "thread a needle", I unclip at least one foot
(sometimes both) and lean forward off the seat back. With the short
wheelbase of the highracer (pretty close to that of a DF), in this
position I find that I have very near the handling of a DF (pls pardon
the profanity) including body english. It doesn't happen all that
often, but has become second nature to me when needed.

Joe said: "I'm gonna step in from afar (China) and suggest ye join one
of Jose's or Josh's or the Okee rides so you can see the different
bents up close and personal.... I'm will'n to bet someone will actually
let you test ride one in a big ol empty parking lot."

- I heartily second this. Actually, ride multiple times before
deciding, if you can. Since the balance and the muscle groups used are
different, it take a bit of getting used to before you can make a
sound judgment. In reality , it will take 500-600 miles to become
fully acclimated, so keep an open mind on your test rides and know
that the initial strangeness becomes "as natural as riding a bike"
with time.

I started with my seat fairly upright and then lowered it a notch
every couple weeks, allowing my mind time to adjust.

Sergio said: "Bacchetta high racers will ride faster than what you got
once you get use to it and be more confortable. "

- Yup, he's right about that.

Another thing that has not been mentioned yet... Riding in the
efficiently reclined highracer position makes it difficult to look
behind you. A mirror (or two) is a requirement. Joe does well with the
"Take-A-Look" helmet mounted small mirror. I like the handlebar
mounted type. When making a potentially life threatening move in
traffic I still rely on a direct (not reflected) view. To look behind
requires that I lean forward a bit (again off the seat back) to be
able to swivel my head far enough to see directly behind me. This is
easier to do on one of the more upright (and therefore less efficient)
bikes such as the CLWB (4 letter word, Hose ;-) ).

Early in my highracer experience I had difficulties with numb toes
after a few miles. I attribute it to the higher bottom bracket. Much
excellent advice was offered on this forum on how to cope with it. I
think that time has been the best cure as it doesn't happen nearly as
often or as quickly as before. I may have grown more capillaries in my
feet to compensate.

All in all, any recumbent bike model will be far more comfortable. The
highracer just allows you to comfortable at a higher speed.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "seragram"
<seragram@.. .> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, BentWheeler@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> > Sergio
> >
> >
> > And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that
> two letter word :-)
>
> I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
> his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose likes to
> ride.
> Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)
>



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#15927 From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride... 		bentwheeler
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I'd like to see that bike too. Please let the group know when you receive it.

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
___________________________________________________________
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
http://www.getbent.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken aka EZ Biker :-) <ez_biker@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 7:51 am
Subject: SFRR: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride...

Excellent! Let me know when! (I'll come give it a 100 mile test...
ride... By the way, I sent you an email about Twofish products. Do you
carry them or can you order anything from them?
Ken aka EZ Biker :-)

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Beatty"
<sprout_4u@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks EZ... With the condition my joints are in I will probably be
> using it long before you "OLD TIMERS" do anyway. Did I forget to
> mention that the Rans X-Treme is due to arrive next week.
>
>
> Josh


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#15928 From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		bentwheeler
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Hey Bob,

Which ride are you doing Saturday? I'm leaving town this Sunday and will be "el gone" for a week!

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
___________________________________________________________
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
http://www.getbent.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 6:47 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

Sounds like another plan!!
 
Bob

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:24 PM

Hey Bob,
If your around Sunday come ride with us on the Sunday morning ride,
it's usually 30 miles, intermediate speed with a stop for breakfast.
It would be nice to ride with you again.

Josh

> Sounds like a plan!
>  
> Bob
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, ET Williams <etwwinc@... > wrote:
>
> From: ET Williams <etwwinc@... >
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:27 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think
Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others. 
Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and
pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast... ......... ......... .........
ET
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Gang,
>  
> I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is
the "Ride Du Jour?"
>  
> Bob
> W.Melbourne
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua
Beatty"
> <sprout_4u@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you
missed
> a
> > fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
> me
> > today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> > appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> > Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15
MPH
> > into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike
with
> > 16" wheels.
> >
> > First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a
massive
> > headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed
me
> > down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
> got
> > to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
> think
> > it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as
he
> > clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
> gentle
> > fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> > either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
> looking
> > gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we
started
> > to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on
going
> > not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> > Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were
going
> > 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over
as
> > well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> > SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
> get
> > upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> > standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy
made
> > sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike
and
> > maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> > the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
> bagel
> > shop.
> >
> > After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see
it
> > was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
> bridge
> > and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
> was
> > the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone
wants
> to
> > go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
> Faster,
> > Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was
a
> > lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
> down,
> > I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back
there.
> > So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When
we
> > were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep
us
> > together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> > ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
> >
> > Josh
> >
>
> Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this
sunday?
> I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is
goin
> to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami..
the
> one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,
>
> let me know
>
> sammy
>



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#15929 From: "seragram" <seragram@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:17 pm
Subject: Rans X-Treme 100 miles test? 		seragram
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Josh I did not know you could test ride your bikes for 100 miles.
I like to do the 100 mile test ride after EZ and Hose.
Did you ever finish the R84 I like to test ride that too for 100 miles
Sergio (LOL)

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#15930 From: "Ted" <teabone@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: Rans X-Treme 100 miles test? 		teabone001
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Josh the 100 mile test ride is a GREAT idea! I haven't heard of any
other bike shops being that customer oriented. I'd like to sign up for
the 100 mile test on the X-Stream after Sergio. I'd also like to try a
100 mile test ride on one of your Volae Teams. Maybe an Rans F5 too
after that. Thanks!

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
<seragram@...> wrote:
>
> Josh I did not know you could test ride your bikes for 100 miles.
> I like to do the 100 mile test ride after EZ and Hose.
> Did you ever finish the R84 I like to test ride that too for 100 miles
> Sergio (LOL)
>

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#15931 From: "Ted" <teabone@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet. 		teabone001
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Dan,

Carl (Bacchetta Corsa) and I are just a few miles north of Delray in
west Boynton. We are going to ride from there to Palm Bch inlet and
back this Saturday, leaving at 7 AM. You're welcome to join us. We'll
probably meet up with a couple more riders along the way (Phil -
Strada), Wayne (HP Velotechnik streetmachine), and Yoric (Aero).

Of course the rest of you are welcome to join us too. Lake Worth Bch
is where most of us meet (about 7:45 AM), varying speeds of 16 mph up
to ??? with regroup points. We plan to hit Starbucks (in WP Bch) on
the way back.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, Daniel McGavin
<mcgavind@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ted.  Sound advice from an experienced rider.  Just what I
need.  Thanks to the others as well. I appreciate an active group!!
>
> Josh, I'll be around as soon as possible.
>
> As soon as I can, for sure at the first of the year, I'll be joining
some rides.
>
> Are there any rides/riders in the Delray Beach area?
>
>  Dan McGavin
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ted <teabone@...>
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:08:57 PM
> Subject: Re: SFRR:  Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
>
>
>
> Hose,
>
> While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
> knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience, I
> still think that McGavinD might soon be disappointed with anything
> slower than a highracer. However, your criticisms are valid. I just
> think that the benefits outweigh the liabilities.
>
> Recap follows for McGavinD:
>
> Hose said: "I didn't think it handled well on trails where you have
> lots of tight turns and you may need to bike at a very low speed."
>
> -  This is true to a degree, especially if you ride it in it's most
> efficient, very reclined position. In this laid back position you lose
> the view of the ground directly ahead of your front wheel and you are
> not able to employ body english for tricky maneuvers. I've cultivated
> a kind of "look ahead" peripheral-type vision that allows me to
> anticipate, mostly obviating the need to see the front wheel on the
> pavement.
>
> In cases where I need to "thread a needle", I unclip at least one foot
> (sometimes both) and lean forward off the seat back. With the short
> wheelbase of the highracer (pretty close to that of a DF), in this
> position I find that I have very near the handling of a DF (pls pardon
> the profanity) including body english. It doesn't happen all that
> often, but has become second nature to me when needed.
>
> Joe said: "I'm gonna step in from afar (China) and suggest ye join one
> of Jose's or Josh's or the Okee rides so you can see the different
> bents up close and personal.... I'm will'n to bet someone will actually
> let you test ride one in a big ol empty parking lot."
>
> - I heartily second this. Actually, ride multiple times before
> deciding, if you can. Since the balance and the muscle groups used are
> different, it take a bit of getting used to before you can make a
> sound judgment. In reality , it will take 500-600 miles to become
> fully acclimated, so keep an open mind on your test rides and know
> that the initial strangeness becomes "as natural as riding a bike"
> with time.
>
> I started with my seat fairly upright and then lowered it a notch
> every couple weeks, allowing my mind time to adjust.
>
> Sergio said: "Bacchetta high racers will ride faster than what you got
> once you get use to it and be more confortable. "
>
> - Yup, he's right about that.
>
> Another thing that has not been mentioned yet... Riding in the
> efficiently reclined highracer position makes it difficult to look
> behind you. A mirror (or two) is a requirement. Joe does well with the
> "Take-A-Look" helmet mounted small mirror. I like the handlebar
> mounted type. When making a potentially life threatening move in
> traffic I still rely on a direct (not reflected) view. To look behind
> requires that I lean forward a bit (again off the seat back) to be
> able to swivel my head far enough to see directly behind me. This is
> easier to do on one of the more upright (and therefore less efficient)
> bikes such as the CLWB (4 letter word, Hose ;-) ).
>
> Early in my highracer experience I had difficulties with numb toes
> after a few miles. I attribute it to the higher bottom bracket. Much
> excellent advice was offered on this forum on how to cope with it. I
> think that time has been the best cure as it doesn't happen nearly as
> often or as quickly as before. I may have grown more capillaries in my
> feet to compensate.
>
> All in all, any recumbent bike model will be far more comfortable. The
> highracer just allows you to comfortable at a higher speed.
>
> Ted
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "seragram"
> <seragram@ .> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, BentWheeler@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> > > Sergio
> > >
> > >
> > > And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to
that
> > two letter word :-)
> >
> > I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
> > his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose
likes to
> > ride.
> > Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)
> >
>

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#15932 From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		divebob8
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Looks like Okeeheelee in the AM and a possible Palm Beach Ride on A1A in the PM with Dean and Ed.
 
Bob

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...> wrote:
From: BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:14 PM

Hey Bob,

Which ride are you doing Saturday? I'm leaving town this Sunday and will be "el gone" for a week!

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingS olutions. com
http://www.getbent. org


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 6:47 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

Sounds like another plan!!
 
Bob

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo. com>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:24 PM

Hey Bob,
If your around Sunday come ride with us on the Sunday morning ride,
it's usually 30 miles, intermediate speed with a stop for breakfast.
It would be nice to ride with you again.

Josh

> Sounds like a plan!
>  
> Bob
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, ET Williams <etwwinc@... > wrote:
>
> From: ET Williams <etwwinc@... >
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:27 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think
Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others. 
Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and
pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast... ......... ......... .........
ET
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Gang,
>  
> I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is
the "Ride Du Jour?"
>  
> Bob
> W.Melbourne
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua
Beatty"
> <sprout_4u@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you
missed
> a
> > fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
> me
> > today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> > appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> > Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15
MPH
> > into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike
with
> > 16" wheels.
> >
> > First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a
massive
> > headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed
me
> > down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
> got
> > to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
> think
> > it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as
he
> > clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
> gentle
> > fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> > either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
> looking
> > gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we
started
> > to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on
going
> > not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> > Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were
going
> > 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over
as
> > well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> > SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
> get
> > upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> > standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy
made
> > sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike
and
> > maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> > the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
> bagel
> > shop.
> >
> > After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see
it
> > was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
> bridge
> > and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
> was
> > the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone
wants
> to
> > go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
> Faster,
> > Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was
a
> > lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
> down,
> > I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back
there.
> > So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When
we
> > were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep
us
> > together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> > ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
> >
> > Josh
> >
>
> Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this
sunday?
> I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is
goin
> to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami..
the
> one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,
>
> let me know
>
> sammy
>




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#15933 From: Cyclesab3@...
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 7:47 pm
Subject: Test rides 		catrike77
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Put my name down for a 100mile test on a Velokraft Nocom

Steve b
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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#15934 From: "Ken aka EZ Biker :-)" <ez_biker@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 9:36 pm
Subject: Re: Test rides 		ezbiker_2
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Oh OH, what have I done here? Now let me clarify that 100 mile... test
ride... I'm putting in my request to change ezbiker.com to a bank &
trust institution and then hit Uncle Sam up for some bail-out funding!
Once I get my bailout, I'll be able to put that 99.9 % (Required 100
mile Test Ride Deposit fee down) and give the X-Team a tryout!
EZ (Furiously back peddling) Biker :-)



--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, Cyclesab3@... wrote:
>
> Put my name down for a 100mile test on a Velokraft Nocom
>
> Steve b
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>

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#15935 From: "Joshua Beatty" <sprout_4u@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 10:59 pm
Subject: Re: Rans X-Treme 100 miles test? 		sprout_4u
Send Email Send Email
  
I only do 100 mile test rides if you are willing to leave a deposit
that equals double the retail price of the bike and you don't mind only
getting 2/3 back.

Sorry Sergio the R84 is already gone, the new owner picked it up about
an hour after final assembly,  his face looked like an 8 year old kid
on Christmas morning.

Josh
>
> Josh I did not know you could test ride your bikes for 100 miles.
> I like to do the 100 mile test ride after EZ and Hose.
> Did you ever finish the R84 I like to test ride that too for 100
miles
> Sergio (LOL)
>

Reply | Messages in this Topic (3)
#15936 From: "Joshua Beatty" <sprout_4u@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: Test rides 		sprout_4u
Send Email Send Email
  
Thanks EZ.......


Josh


--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ken aka EZ
Biker :-)" <ez_biker@...> wrote:
>
> Oh OH, what have I done here? Now let me clarify that 100 mile...
test
> ride... I'm putting in my request to change ezbiker.com to a bank &
> trust institution and then hit Uncle Sam up for some bail-out
funding!
> Once I get my bailout, I'll be able to put that 99.9 % (Required 100
> mile Test Ride Deposit fee down) and give the X-Team a tryout!
> EZ (Furiously back peddling) Biker :-)
>
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, Cyclesab3@
wrote:
> >
> > Put my name down for a 100mile test on a Velokraft Nocom
> >
> > Steve b
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
>

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#15937 From: Daniel McGavin <mcgavind@...>
Date: Thu Dec 4, 2008 2:49 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet. 		mcgavind
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Wow, Ted, that sounds great.  Unfortunately, I have plans for this Saturday (art bazel), but I would absolutely love to get together the next Saturday! Way cool.
 
Dan McGavin


From: Ted <teabone@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:35:10 PM
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

Dan,

Carl (Bacchetta Corsa) and I are just a few miles north of Delray in
west Boynton. We are going to ride from there to Palm Bch inlet and
back this Saturday, leaving at 7 AM. You're welcome to join us. We'll
probably meet up with a couple more riders along the way (Phil -
Strada), Wayne (HP Velotechnik streetmachine) , and Yoric (Aero).

Of course the rest of you are welcome to join us too. Lake Worth Bch
is where most of us meet (about 7:45 AM), varying speeds of 16 mph up
to ??? with regroup points. We plan to hit Starbucks (in WP Bch) on
the way back.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, Daniel McGavin
<mcgavind@.. .> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ted. Sound advice from an experienced rider. Just what I
need. Thanks to the others as well. I appreciate an active group!!
>
> Josh, I'll be around as soon as possible.
>
> As soon as I can, for sure at the first of the year, I'll be joining
some rides.
>
> Are there any rides/riders in the Delray Beach area?
>
> Dan McGavin
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Ted <teabone@... >
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:08:57 PM
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
>
>
>
> Hose,
>
> While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
> knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience, I
> still think that McGavinD might soon be disappointed with anything
> slower than a highracer. However, your criticisms are valid. I just
> think that the benefits outweigh the liabilities.
>
> Recap follows for McGavinD:
>
> Hose said: "I didn't think it handled well on trails where you have
> lots of tight turns and you may need to bike at a very low speed."
>
> - This is true to a degree, especially if you ride it in it's most
> efficient, very reclined position. In this laid back position you lose
> the view of the ground directly ahead of your front wheel and you are
> not able to employ body english for tricky maneuvers. I've cultivated
> a kind of "look ahead" peripheral-type vision that allows me to
> anticipate, mostly obviating the need to see the front wheel on the
> pavement.
>
> In cases where I need to "thread a needle", I unclip at least one foot
> (sometimes both) and lean forward off the seat back. With the short
> wheelbase of the highracer (pretty close to that of a DF), in this
> position I find that I have very near the handling of a DF (pls pardon
> the profanity) including body english. It doesn't happen all that
> often, but has become second nature to me when needed.
>
> Joe said: "I'm gonna step in from afar (China) and suggest ye join one
> of Jose's or Josh's or the Okee rides so you can see the different
> bents up close and personal.... I'm will'n to bet someone will actually
> let you test ride one in a big ol empty parking lot."
>
> - I heartily second this. Actually, ride multiple times before
> deciding, if you can. Since the balance and the muscle groups used are
> different, it take a bit of getting used to before you can make a
> sound judgment. In reality , it will take 500-600 miles to become
> fully acclimated, so keep an open mind on your test rides and know
> that the initial strangeness becomes "as natural as riding a bike"
> with time.
>
> I started with my seat fairly upright and then lowered it a notch
> every couple weeks, allowing my mind time to adjust.
>
> Sergio said: "Bacchetta high racers will ride faster than what you got
> once you get use to it and be more confortable. "
>
> - Yup, he's right about that.
>
> Another thing that has not been mentioned yet... Riding in the
> efficiently reclined highracer position makes it difficult to look
> behind you. A mirror (or two) is a requirement. Joe does well with the
> "Take-A-Look" helmet mounted small mirror. I like the handlebar
> mounted type. When making a potentially life threatening move in
> traffic I still rely on a direct (not reflected) view. To look behind
> requires that I lean forward a bit (again off the seat back) to be
> able to swivel my head far enough to see directly behind me. This is
> easier to do on one of the more upright (and therefore less efficient)
> bikes such as the CLWB (4 letter word, Hose ;-) ).
>
> Early in my highracer experience I had difficulties with numb toes
> after a few miles. I attribute it to the higher bottom bracket. Much
> excellent advice was offered on this forum on how to cope with it. I
> think that time has been the best cure as it doesn't happen nearly as
> often or as quickly as before. I may have grown more capillaries in my
> feet to compensate.
>
> All in all, any recumbent bike model will be far more comfortable. The
> highracer just allows you to comfortable at a higher speed.
>
> Ted
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "seragram"
> <seragram@ .> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, BentWheeler@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> > > Sergio
> > >
> > >
> > > And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to
that
> > two letter word :-)
> >
> > I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
> > his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose
likes to
> > ride.
> > Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)
> >
>



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#15938 From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:37 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		bentwheeler
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I will be there. I haven't done that ride in a long time. It is a NICE park .....

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
___________________________________________________________
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

Looks like Okeeheelee in the AM and a possible Palm Beach Ride on A1A in the PM with Dean and Ed.
 
Bob

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, BentWheeler@AOL.com <BentWheeler@AOL.com> wrote:
From: BentWheeler@AOL.com <BentWheeler@AOL.com>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:14 PM

Hey Bob,

Which ride are you doing Saturday? I'm leaving town this Sunday and will be "el gone" for a week!

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingS olutions. com
http://www.getbent. org


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 6:47 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

Sounds like another plan!!
 
Bob

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo. com>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:24 PM

Hey Bob,
If your around Sunday come ride with us on the Sunday morning ride,
it's usually 30 miles, intermediate speed with a stop for breakfast.
It would be nice to ride with you again.

Josh

> Sounds like a plan!
>  
> Bob
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, ET Williams <etwwinc@... > wrote:
>
> From: ET Williams <etwwinc@... >
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:27 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think
Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others. 
Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and
pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast... ......... ......... .........
ET
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Gang,
>  
> I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is
the "Ride Du Jour?"
>  
> Bob
> W.Melbourne
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua
Beatty"
> <sprout_4u@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you
missed
> a
> > fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
> me
> > today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> > appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> > Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15
MPH
> > into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike
with
> > 16" wheels.
> >
> > First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a
massive
> > headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed
me
> > down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
> got
> > to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
> think
> > it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as
he
> > clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
> gentle
> > fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> > either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
> looking
> > gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we
started
> > to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on
going
> > not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> > Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were
going
> > 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over
as
> > well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> > SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
> get
> > upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> > standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy
made
> > sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike
and
> > maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> > the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
> bagel
> > shop.
> >
> > After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see
it
> > was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
> bridge
> > and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
> was
> > the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone
wants
> to
> > go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
> Faster,
> > Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was
a
> > lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
> down,
> > I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back
there.
> > So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When
we
> > were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep
us
> > together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> > ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
> >
> > Josh
> >
>
> Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this
sunday?
> I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is
goin
> to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami..
the
> one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,
>
> let me know
>
> sammy
>




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#15939 From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
Date: Thu Dec 4, 2008 11:33 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls 		etwwinc
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Does this mean Recliner bike ride at Okeehelee Park this Saturday morning ?
It may be a good idea to bring a b-cycle lock in case the McDonald's becomes a reality, that is the breakfast part of it.                  ET 
 

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...> wrote:
From: BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 10:37 PM

I will be there. I haven't done that ride in a long time. It is a NICE park .....

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingS olutions. com
http://www.getbent. org


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

Looks like Okeeheelee in the AM and a possible Palm Beach Ride on A1A in the PM with Dean and Ed.
 
Bob

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, BentWheeler@ AOL.com <BentWheeler@ AOL.com> wrote:
From: BentWheeler@ AOL.com <BentWheeler@ AOL.com>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:14 PM

Hey Bob,

Which ride are you doing Saturday? I'm leaving town this Sunday and will be "el gone" for a week!

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingS olutions. com
http://www.getbent. org


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 6:47 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

Sounds like another plan!!
 
Bob

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@yahoo. com>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:24 PM

Hey Bob,
If your around Sunday come ride with us on the Sunday morning ride,
it's usually 30 miles, intermediate speed with a stop for breakfast.
It would be nice to ride with you again.

Josh

> Sounds like a plan!
>  
> Bob
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, ET Williams <etwwinc@... > wrote:
>
> From: ET Williams <etwwinc@... >
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:27 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob-o, this b a good time to ride Okee I will be there and I think
Bill is back in town and will probably be there along with others. 
Perhaps we can cruse down to the Mickey D's on our Recliner bikes and
pic up some Chicks I mean Breakfast... ......... ......... .........
ET
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and
Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Gang,
>  
> I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is
the "Ride Du Jour?"
>  
> Bob
> W.Melbourne
>
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua
Beatty"
> <sprout_4u@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you
missed
> a
> > fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
> me
> > today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> > appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> > Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15
MPH
> > into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike
with
> > 16" wheels.
> >
> > First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a
massive
> > headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed
me
> > down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
> got
> > to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
> think
> > it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as
he
> > clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
> gentle
> > fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> > either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
> looking
> > gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we
started
> > to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on
going
> > not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> > Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were
going
> > 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over
as
> > well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> > SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
> get
> > upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> > standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy
made
> > sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike
and
> > maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> > the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
> bagel
> > shop.
> >
> > After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see
it
> > was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
> bridge
> > and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
> was
> > the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone
wants
> to
> > go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
> Faster,
> > Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was
a
> > lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
> down,
> > I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back
there.
> > So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When
we
> > were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep
us
> > together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> > ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
> >
> > Josh
> >
>
> Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this
sunday?
> I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is
goin
> to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami..
the
> one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,
>
> let me know
>
> sammy
>





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#15940 From: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:56 pm
Subject: Okeeheelee Park - Saturday AM Ride, 12/6/2008, 8:00 am 		SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
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Reminder from:   SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Okeeheelee Park - Saturday AM Ride
 
Date:   Saturday December 6, 2008
Time:   8:00 am - 10:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week until Monday January 12, 2009.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 1 day, 3 minutes.
Location:   See ride description
Notes:   Okeeheelee Park is scheduled every Saturday morning at 8:00 AM. We meet at the boat house, which can be found on the right no matter which entrance to the park you use. The Park is on the north side of Forest Hill Blvd, between Jog Rd to the east, and SR7/US441 to the west. The ride inside the park is on the bike path and is safe for all levels and usually lasts for 1.5 hours and about 16-17 miles. It is also possible to extend the ride into Wellington horse country for more miles, faster pace etc. for those that want it.
 
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