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I'm gonna step in from afar (China) and suggest ye join one of Jose's
or Josh's or the Okee rides so you can see the different bents up
close and personal....I'm will'n to bet someone will actually let you
test ride one in a big ol empty parking lot.

For storage you'll be better off with a SWB.  Visit Josh and the
Bicycle Spot and take a look at what's there.  Either one will be a
bunch heavier than your current DF and a bit more unwieldly, but the
comfort and grin factor or worth it.

Price:  Go to www.bentrideronline.com and check out the classifieds.
You can find a great Giro20 for under $1,000 and a Volae or Bacchetta
highracer for $1,000 to $1,400 easy.

Speed: Given the headwinds in Florida  you'll love a bent....you
really do not feel them near as much as on a DF.  And after getting
your "bent legs" you'll be as fast or faster.

Slo "Who's bought more than his share of used bents" Joe

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "mcgavind"
<mcgavind@...> wrote:
>
> HI all.  I am a 63 year old bike commuter (6' and 210) and have been
> commuting by upright for about 10 years, on and off, mostly "on"
this
> year and last as my partner and I have gone to one car and only put
on
> necessary miles.  I ride 60-80 miles a week from West Delray Beach
to
> Boca Raton and would like to ride more, but -- and you know what's
> coming -- my triangle or wedgie bike is beginning to get to me.
> Arthritis, etc, etc.
>
> So, I'd like to switch, but being a community college teacher
doesn't
> lend itself to 4k bikes.  I only have room to store one bike in my
> closet (small condo, what can I say) and so I have been looking at
> used bikes on Craig's list. But, and here I finally get to my
> question, how can I preserve the road bike feel that I love
(efficient
> speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?
>
> I am riding a Lemond Tourmolet, aluminum with a carbon fork, and
love
> it in terms of fit and speed. It is the pressure points that get to
> me.  I am in no hurry as I will still ride the short distances to
> school without much problem, but sometime in the next year, I want
to
> change over.  I have been to Atlantic and tried out a couple of
bikes,
> but not for long enough. Here are some questions that a short ride
> won't answer:
>
> 1)I am attracted to Cruizebike's Silvio, but can't find many
reviews.
> I like the fact that you can order the frame and then use the 700c
> wheelset and Ultegra drivetrain.  It will fit on a regular bike
> carrier.  How well are these bikes regarded in the bent community?
>
> 2)I have heard Easy Racers are great if they are light weight enough
> and faired (usually that means $), but I don't think I can store it
in
> the closet. Some come in two parts, but are they strong enough?
>
> 3)Bachetta high racer looks like a fast bike and is storable, but
how
> does it compare in terms of speed and handling to my upright? Being
a
> more efficient rider, the corsa looks good, but will the riding
> position interfere with riding in the city or on long rides?
>
> Anyone with experiences as a commuter and as a lover of efficient
> speed (watts to quick forward motion), please give me some advice.
I'd
> like this next bike to last me a while.  I can't afford to spend
> thousands every other year.
>
> Also, and this is unrelated, why is it that the bent and unbent
bikies
> are so separate? There is a big group of Boca Raton club members,
but
> no bents that I know of.
>
> Looking forward to meeting you and reading your replies.
>

#15881

From: "Joe" <jkeenan0407@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:15 am
Subject: Shark Valley Dec 27th: 4:00 pm Start Time

jkeenan0407

To allow lots of time to get to the observation tower before sunset,
I'll leave at 4:00 but you "fast" riders could leave as late as 4:30 or
so.

We'll regroup at the observation tower and ride back together after
sunset.

PLEASE post here if  you're coming as I'll be begging someone to bring
an extra DF bike or two for my stepson and step daughter.

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#15882

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 10:30 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

bentwheeler

Hey Josh,

Great Report and I'm sorry I missed the ride though I didn't miss the horrible head winds, rain and generally crappy weather you guys experienced.

As for next week, I can ride Saturday but will be leaving for San Diego Sunday morning. Any takers and/or suggestions for a Saturday Morning Ride?

As for anyone's thinking you can't fall off a trike... well... I've been in a bunch of rides where some of our members unceremoniously flipped their trikes and hit the ground. (Ok Walt, you tell us about your attempt to jump over a pile of trash during a LOST adventure, and flipping a trike in the process) Also, a number of years ago, while trying to sell my old yellow trike, and right after pointing out to the prospective buyer that trikes were stable and you didn't have to worry about falling, I violently flipped the trike, broke one of its steering rods, shattered my ego as I landed on my butt, and ruined the sale in the process. My wife Susan, who witnessed the whole thing, just couldn't understand why I had to act like an IDIOT when I was trying to sell the trike. Truthfully, I can't be sure if she used the word "IDIOT" or chose a more descriptive word like "ASSH#LE! I humbly explained that it was my nature and you don't need to know the rest of the story.... The point is that YES, you can fall offf a trike and trust me, this kind of fall is really an ego buster.

But seriously, I know that falling can be a lot of fun as it gives us funny things to talk about but, lets not fall for the fun of it. If you must fall, well, make sure it is just part of the normal bentrider graduation ritual (we all have the rights to this one) and also make sure that there are NO WITNESSES around. As a member of this club it is YOUR DUTY to protect our reputation. Remember that, there's a hard, unforgiving tarmac out there waiting to crack your butt so... be careful out there. The inflexible pavement can wait. Keep the rubber side DOWN!.

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
___________________________________________________________
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
http://www.getbent.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Beatty <sprout_4u@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 7:53 pm
Subject: SFRR: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you missed a
fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with me
today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15 MPH
into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike with
16" wheels.

First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a massive
headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed me
down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we got
to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I think
it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as he
clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow gentle
fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were looking
gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we started
to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on going
not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were going
12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over as
well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to get
upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy made
sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike and
maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the bagel
shop.

After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see it
was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the bridge
and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH was
the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone wants to
go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing Faster,
Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was a
lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow down,
I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back there.
So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When we
were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep us
together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?

Josh

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#15883

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 10:38 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

bentwheeler

I think you've received good advice from some of our members. I'm going to go ahead and stick my head out on this one. Since it seems you are a commuter, then I think your bike should be one that is "commuter" friendly. Thus, I would NOT recommend a High Racer!!! A Short Wheel Base and/or a Compact Long Wheel Base will likely be a better commuter. Long wheel base bikes are fine for commuting too but they don't fit inside a closet.

Welcome to our dysfunctional club!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: mcgavind <mcgavind@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 1:28 pm
Subject: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

HI all. I am a 63 year old bike commuter (6' and 210) and have been
commuting by upright for about 10 years, on and off, mostly "on" this
year and last as my partner and I have gone to one car and only put on
necessary miles. I ride 60-80 miles a week from West Delray Beach to
Boca Raton and would like to ride more, but -- and you know what's
coming -- my triangle or wedgie bike is beginning to get to me.
Arthritis, etc, etc.

So, I'd like to switch, but being a community college teacher doesn't
lend itself to 4k bikes. I only have room to store one bike in my
closet (small condo, what can I say) and so I have been looking at
used bikes on Craig's list. But, and here I finally get to my
question, how can I preserve the road bike feel that I love (efficient
speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?

I am riding a Lemond Tourmolet, aluminum with a carbon fork, and love
it in terms of fit and speed. It is the pressure points that get to
me. I am in no hurry as I will still ride the short distances to
school without much problem, but sometime in the next year, I want to
change over. I have been to Atlantic and tried out a couple of bikes,
but not for long enough. Here are some questions that a short ride
won't answer:

1)I am attracted to Cruizebike's Silvio, but can't find many reviews.
I like the fact that you can order the frame and then use the 700c
wheelset and Ultegra drivetrain. It will fit on a regular bike
carrier. How well are these bikes regarded in the bent community?

2)I have heard Easy Racers are great if they are light weight enough
and faired (usually that means $), but I don't think I can store it in
the closet. Some come in two parts, but are they strong enough?

3)Bachetta high racer looks like a fast bike and is storable, but how
does it compare in terms of speed and handling to my upright? Being a
more efficient rider, the corsa looks good, but will the riding
position interfere with riding in the city or on long rides?

Anyone with experiences as a commuter and as a lover of efficient
speed (watts to quick forward motion), please give me some advice. I'd
like this next bike to last me a while. I can't afford to spend
thousands every other year.

Also, and this is unrelated, why is it that the bent and unbent bikies
are so separate? There is a big group of Boca Raton club members, but
no bents that I know of.

Looking forward to meeting you and reading your replies.

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#15884

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 10:46 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Lake O Sunday ride video is up

bentwheeler

Kool. I had NO idea you were filming. I thought you were taking old fashion pics.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Timmons <ttimmons@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:12 am
Subject: SFRR: Re: Lake O Sunday ride video is up

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
<seragram@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/seragram
>
Excellent vids Sergio! I didn't even notice that you were filming...

It was good to see you, and GREAT riding with you and the guys, I look
forward to our next ride...

Tractor Tom in Okeechobee

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#15885

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 10:53 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Day TWO of the two day Lake Okeechobee ride...

bentwheeler

Tom,

If you had a weather control device, you might STILL want additional equipment (like an engine, etc). Why? Simple! Because... additional equipment may help you be even FASTER!

Then again, your choices are a function of your own personal philosophy of speed. I will follow up sometime this week with what I mean by that. Just give me a couple of days to research the Jose Encyclopedia of Unthinkable Concepts

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Timmons <ttimmons@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:10 am
Subject: SFRR: Re: Day TWO of the two day Lake Okeechobee ride...

Jose,

I agree with you on some of the upgrades, but if I had a weather
control device to ensure a tailwind, why would I need an ultralight
engine with a propeller? Seems like the better accessory for that
kind of bike would be a good sized jib sail....

Good seeing you too...

Tom in Okeechobee

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@... wrote:
>
> Hey Tom
>
> Nice riding w/ you yesterday and thanks for the ride back. I'm glad
I didn't have to pedal for 60 miles. That wind was TERRIBLE.
>
> As to upgrades for your trike, you may consider:
>
> 1) Front and tail fairing
> 2) Smooth tires filled with Helium
> 3) An ultralite engine, complete with a propeller
> 4) A weather control device so you can always have a tail wind.
>
>
> Jose A. Hernandez
> Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
> __________________________________________________________
> A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
> http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
> http://www.getbent.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Timmons <ttimmons@...>
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:13 pm
> Subject: SFRR: Re: Day TWO of the two day Lake Okeechobee ride...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Josh,
>
> I wish you could have come, but in the retail business, you need to
> work when you have work to do. I was there once, and remember it all
> too well....
>
> You and I need to have a discussion about a couple of "upgrades" for
> the tractor-cycle, like fenders and Avid BB7 brakes and some kick-ass
> fast tires as I have a hard time keeping up with all these 'go faster'
> types like Steve and Sergio, and, I'll even mention Jose...
>
> I'll call you later, when I get a chance...
>
> Tractor Tom
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Beatty"
> <sprout_4u@> wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> > I am Glad to read how well your ride was around the lake, I have to
> > say I am jealous. I wish I could have taken the time off to join you
> > today, and for the whole ride, but its been a little crazy at the
> > shop. It's nice to hear the "Tractor Trike" made the journey
> > pleasureable for you. Hopefully early next year we will all try for
> > a one day trip, and I can make it.
> >
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > >
> > > First the Stats....
> > > Trip Distance 68.58 miles
> > > Trip Time 5:18:57
> > > Average Speed 12.90
> > > Max Speed 22.20
> > >
> > > I was up this morning before it was light. With the distance to
> > > Pahokee nearing 40 miles, I needed to on the trike by 7am if I was
> > to
> > > meet the guys on time. Beat that time by about 8 minutes, put on my
> > > flashing tail light as the sun wasn't quite up over the rim of the
> > > dike as I approached it. Stopped at the Gas Station on the corner
> > of
> > > some Gatorade and then was on the LOST, headed towards Pahokee.
> > >
> > > It was two hours to Port Mayaca, and the bridge there. Then down
> > the
> > > side of the highway about 12 more miles, through Sand Cut
> > (population
> > > 8) and Canal Point to Pahokee. I told Jose I would be there at
> > 10am,
> > > and I was exactly 10 minutes late. Jose, on the other hand, was on
> > > time and waiting for me when I arrived. He and I talked for a
> > > couple minutes, and then he called Sergio to see where he and Steve
> > > were. They were about two miles away, and quickly arrived.
> > >
> > > The four of us then rode down the hill to Jellyrolls Coffee Shop,
> > and
> > > had a light snack and some things to drink. Steve and Sergio had
> > > encountered some construction on the dike, just south of where we
> > met,
> > > so it was decided to take the highway to south of the Pahokee
> > Airport.
> > > So down the road we went in light traffic and generally good
> > > conditions. The wind had come up about the time I entered Pahokee
> > to
> > > meet Jose, and was blowing smoke from burning cane fields south of
> > the
> > > lake right up on us.
> > >
> > > We finally got up on the LOST, after walking and riding a rough
> > gravel
> > > access road, and found the wind to be right on our nose at 15 to 20
> > > mph. At this point, I was feeling the pain in my legs, and the wind
> > > and smoke just made things miserable. Jose, Sergio and Steve led
> > the
> > > way towards South Bay in the smoke, and I mostly took up the rear on
> > > my Catrike Trail. At that point, I had ridden 100 miles since 9am
> > on
> > > Friday and it was beginning to take it's toll.
> > >
> > > Finally, we reached South Bay and the trail swung to the west and
> > the
> > > wind was at our backs. Speeds jumped up from 12.5-13.5mph to around
> > > 17mph, and my tired legs found new life.
> > >
> > > We rolled down off the the trail at John Stretch Park, and I got off
> > > the bike for a while to see if I could get the feeling back in my
> > > toes, which had been numb for some time. From the park to
> > Clewiston,
> > > it's 9 more miles, and I was counting them off as we rode along.
> > Soon
> > > the town was in sight and we were off the LOST, riding around the
> > > Jolly Rodger Marina and finally into the Roland Martin Resort where
> > I
> > > had left my truck on Friday morning.
> > >
> > > Guys, I was SOOOOO GLAD to see the inside of the Tiki Bar!!! After
> > a
> > > couple of Amber Bock's I started feeling human again.
> > >
> > > So, I have completed my quest to circle the lake in two fairly easy
> > > days. Suffered the wind that the LOST is so famous for, seen ALL of
> > > the LOST, and all the associated highways. I especially want to
> > thank
> > > Steve, Sergio and Jose for driving way out here to join me for the
> > > last, HARD 25 miles at the end of the ride. Without them, I would
> > > have made it, but not nearly as fast. It's always good to have
> > > company when the going gets its toughest....
> > >
> > > Tractor Tom in Okeechobee
> > > Now training for a one day circle the lake trip...
> > >
> >
>

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#15886

From: "seragram" <seragram@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

seragram

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@...
wrote:
>
> Hey Josh,
>
> As for anyone's thinking you can't fall off a trike... well... I've
been in a bunch of rides where some of our members?unceremoniously
flipped their trikes and hit the ground.? (Ok Walt, you?tell us about
your attempt to jump over a pile of trash during a LOST adventure, and
flipping a trike in the process)



I guess it is true that.....Misery loves company!(LOL)

Sergio

#15887

From: "Ted" <teabone@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

teabone001

I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...

Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
this time I think he's wrong).

I've been commuting via my Bacchetta Strada highracer (with the
standard mesh seat - not the Euromesh) for about 2 years now. My most
direct route from home to work (Boynton Bch to W Palm Bch) is 17
miles. When the weather's nice the the ride home is often a bit
longer. I ride a mix of sidewalk (5m), paved bike path (2m), and road
(10m). I deal with traffic lights, intersections, pedestrians, and
varying levels of traffic density.

Because of the comfortable and natural body position of the Strada my
commute has become the favorite part of my day. I ride fully reclined
and have had no problems maneuvering or putting my feet down at stops.
If I find I have to do some "tight squeeze" riding around an
obstruction I may pull up off of the seat back to achieve a precision
approaching that of a DF bike, but that's rarely necessary.

The bike is fast to start with, and with the lack of pain I find I
ride longer and get stronger. There is no problem keeping up with the
DF's. Most have been friendly but I don't try to mix in with the big
club rides. I've been told that I don't create much draft. Also, the
following rider often cannot see your feet to gauge how hard you're
pedaling.

I think that Jose's (and others) difficulty with highracer commuting
may be more a fit issue. At my height, just over 6 ft, I don't have
any problem putting my feet on the ground.

Your results may vary so it is very important to get an extended test
ride before making your decision. Both Josh at Atlantic Bike and
Payton at the Bicycle Spot are very accommodating and will help you
find what is right for you. Try the Volae at Josh's shop and be sure
to try a Bacchetta at Payton's.

Good luck and I hope to see you on some of our future rides.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@... wrote:
>
> I think you've received good advice from some of our members. I'm
going to go ahead and stick my head out on this one. Since it seems
you are a commuter, then I think your bike should be one that is
"commuter" friendly. Thus, I would NOT recommend a High Racer!!! A
Short Wheel Base and/or a Compact Long Wheel Base will likely be a
better commuter. Long wheel base bikes are fine for commuting too but
they don't fit inside a closet.
>
> Welcome to our dysfunctional club!!!
>
>
> Jose A. Hernandez
> Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
> ___________________________________________________________
> A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
> http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
> http://www.getbent.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcgavind <mcgavind@...>
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 1:28 pm
> Subject: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> HI all. I am a 63 year old bike commuter (6' and 210) and have been
> commuting by upright for about 10 years, on and off, mostly "on" this
> year and last as my partner and I have gone to one car and only put on
> necessary miles. I ride 60-80 miles a week from West Delray Beach to
> Boca Raton and would like to ride more, but -- and you know what's
> coming -- my triangle or wedgie bike is beginning to get to me.
> Arthritis, etc, etc.
>
> So, I'd like to switch, but being a community college teacher doesn't
> lend itself to 4k bikes. I only have room to store one bike in my
> closet (small condo, what can I say) and so I have been looking at
> used bikes on Craig's list. But, and here I finally get to my
> question, how can I preserve the road bike feel that I love (efficient
> speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?
>
> I am riding a Lemond Tourmolet, aluminum with a carbon fork, and love
> it in terms of fit and speed. It is the pressure points that get to
> me. I am in no hurry as I will still ride the short distances to
> school without much problem, but sometime in the next year, I want to
> change over. I have been to Atlantic and tried out a couple of bikes,
> but not for long enough. Here are some questions that a short ride
> won't answer:
>
> 1)I am attracted to Cruizebike's Silvio, but can't find many reviews.
> I like the fact that you can order the frame and then use the 700c
> wheelset and Ultegra drivetrain. It will fit on a regular bike
> carrier. How well are these bikes regarded in the bent community?
>
> 2)I have heard Easy Racers are great if they are light weight enough
> and faired (usually that means $), but I don't think I can store it in
> the closet. Some come in two parts, but are they strong enough?
>
> 3)Bachetta high racer looks like a fast bike and is storable, but how
> does it compare in terms of speed and handling to my upright? Being a
> more efficient rider, the corsa looks good, but will the riding
> position interfere with riding in the city or on long rides?
>
> Anyone with experiences as a commuter and as a lover of efficient
> speed (watts to quick forward motion), please give me some advice. I'd
> like this next bike to last me a while. I can't afford to spend
> thousands every other year.
>
> Also, and this is unrelated, why is it that the bent and unbent bikies
> are so separate? There is a big group of Boca Raton club members, but
> no bents that I know of.
>
> Looking forward to meeting you and reading your replies.
>

#15888

From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:58 pm
Subject: Pinellas Train Ride POSTPONED

divebob8

3mi. of the Pinellas Trail is being repaved just south of Tarpon Springs. The CRABS hope to offer this ride again in January when the Trail is back in operation..

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#15889

From: "seragram" <seragram@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 12:02 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

seragram

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <teabone@...>
wrote:
>
> I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
>
> Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> this time I think he's wrong).
>
>I agree with you on this one.
he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
love"
  (efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?

In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
Sergio

#15890

From: "mcgavind" <mcgavind@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 2:28 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

mcgavind

Thank you, all of you!  Keep it coming! I am a newbie and want to get
the "right" bike this time around. I appreciate the advice I have
received so far.  When are the rides and from where?  How do I find out?
I have ridden a couple of Atlantic bents around the parking lot (don't
remember the names, Josh), but I'd love to ride my Lemond with you guys
to see what it is like "close-up-and-personal" and for a longer time
frame.  Let me know where and when.  How many are you , anyway? I'll be
at Art Basel this Saturday, but after that (assuming I can correct final
exams in a hurry), I'll be available until the 20th and then after that
the 1st and from then on til May, when I go to Michigan for the summer.
Looking forward to it!  Oh, BTW, the closet can hold only the size of a
regular bike; I have been out of the closet so long I can hardly
remember the dimensions!!

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
<seragram@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" teabone@
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
> >
> > Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> > from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> > this time I think he's wrong).
> >
> >I agree with you on this one.
> he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
> has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
> and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
> love"
>  (efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will
commute?
>
> In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> Sergio
>

#15891

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 3:17 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

bentwheeler

In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
Sergio

And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that two letter word :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: seragram <seragram@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <teabone@...>
wrote:
>
> I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
>
> Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> this time I think he's wrong).
>
>I agree with you on this one.
he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
love"
(efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?

In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
Sergio

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#15892

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 3:29 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

bentwheeler

Hey Ted,

Come on now. Me WRONG? NEVER. I'm always right. Just ask my wife... she'll tell you. On second thought, don't ask her....

But in all seriousness, I think it is time to bash high racers. They're too fast, too high and as Sergio says, look almost like a conventional wedgie, which in and of itself, is wrong.

As you all know, I used to love my Corsero (a High Racer with a very unique name) but even though I could plant my feet firmly on the ground, I didn't think it handled well on trails where you have lots of tight turns and you may need to bike at a very low speed. The High Racers loved the open straight highways but didn't seem practical for more mundane activities.

Jose who is hiding in a bullet proof coffin Hernandez

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
___________________________________________________________
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
http://www.getbent.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted <teabone@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...

Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
this time I think he's wrong).

I've been commuting via my Bacchetta Strada highracer (with the
standard mesh seat - not the Euromesh) for about 2 years now. My most
direct route from home to work (Boynton Bch to W Palm Bch) is 17
miles. When the weather's nice the the ride home is often a bit
longer. I ride a mix of sidewalk (5m), paved bike path (2m), and road
(10m). I deal with traffic lights, intersections, pedestrians, and
varying levels of traffic density.

Because of the comfortable and natural body position of the Strada my
commute has become the favorite part of my day. I ride fully reclined
and have had no problems maneuvering or putting my feet down at stops.
If I find I have to do some "tight squeeze" riding around an
obstruction I may pull up off of the seat back to achieve a precision
approaching that of a DF bike, but that's rarely necessary.

The bike is fast to start with, and with the lack of pain I find I
ride longer and get stronger. There is no problem keeping up with the
DF's. Most have been friendly but I don't try to mix in with the big
club rides. I've been told that I don't create much draft. Also, the
following rider often cannot see your feet to gauge how hard you're
pedaling.

I think that Jose's (and others) difficulty with highracer commuting
may be more a fit issue. At my height, just over 6 ft, I don't have
any problem putting my feet on the ground.

Your results may vary so it is very important to get an extended test
ride before making your decision. Both Josh at Atlantic Bike and
Payton at the Bicycle Spot are very accommodating and will help you
find what is right for you. Try the Volae at Josh's shop and be sure
to try a Bacchetta at Payton's.

Good luck and I hope to see you on some of our future rides.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@... wrote:
>
> I think you've received good advice from some of our members. I'm
going to go ahead and stick my head out on this one. Since it seems
you are a commuter, then I think your bike should be one that is
"commuter" friendly. Thus, I would NOT recommend a High Racer!!! A
Short Wheel Base and/or a Compact Long Wheel Base will likely be a
better commuter. Long wheel base bikes are fine for commuting too but
they don't fit inside a closet.
>
> Welcome to our dysfunctional club!!!
>
>
> Jose A. Hernandez
> Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
> __________________________________________________________
> A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
> http://www.CyclingSolutions.com
> http://www.getbent.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcgavind <mcgavind@...>
> To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 1:28 pm
> Subject: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> HI all. I am a 63 year old bike commuter (6' and 210) and have been
> commuting by upright for about 10 years, on and off, mostly "on" this
> year and last as my partner and I have gone to one car and only put on
> necessary miles. I ride 60-80 miles a week from West Delray Beach to
> Boca Raton and would like to ride more, but -- and you know what's
> coming -- my triangle or wedgie bike is beginning to get to me.
> Arthritis, etc, etc.
>
> So, I'd like to switch, but being a community college teacher doesn't
> lend itself to 4k bikes. I only have room to store one bike in my
> closet (small condo, what can I say) and so I have been looking at
> used bikes on Craig's list. But, and here I finally get to my
> question, how can I preserve the road bike feel that I love (efficient
> speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?
>
> I am riding a Lemond Tourmolet, aluminum with a carbon fork, and love
> it in terms of fit and speed. It is the pressure points that get to
> me. I am in no hurry as I will still ride the short distances to
> school without much problem, but sometime in the next year, I want to
> change over. I have been to Atlantic and tried out a couple of bikes,
> but not for long enough. Here are some questions that a short ride
> won't answer:
>
> 1)I am attracted to Cruizebike's Silvio, but can't find many reviews.
> I like the fact that you can order the frame and then use the 700c
> wheelset and Ultegra drivetrain. It will fit on a regular bike
> carrier. How well are these bikes regarded in the bent community?
>
> 2)I have heard Easy Racers are great if they are light weight enough
> and faired (usually that means $), but I don't think I can store it in
> the closet. Some come in two parts, but are they strong enough?
>
> 3)Bachetta high racer looks like a fast bike and is storable, but how
> does it compare in terms of speed and handling to my upright? Being a
> more efficient rider, the corsa looks good, but will the riding
> position interfere with riding in the city or on long rides?
>
> Anyone with experiences as a commuter and as a lover of efficient
> speed (watts to quick forward motion), please give me some advice. I'd
> like this next bike to last me a while. I can't afford to spend
> thousands every other year.
>
> Also, and this is unrelated, why is it that the bent and unbent bikies
> are so separate? There is a big group of Boca Raton club members, but
> no bents that I know of.
>
> Looking forward to meeting you and reading your replies.
>

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#15893

From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 4:15 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

etwwinc

Greetings, you have been given excellent advise by all involved. The best thing to do is to get involved and Okeehelee park is a good place to start. We are small group that rides most Saturday mornings, rides are based on smiles and camaraderie rather than speed and distance.

You will fit in well with your diamond frame as I also ride a bionic diamond frame when not riding my custom recumbent and my custom recumbent is smaller & faster than my diamond frame.

Choosing the right recumbent is a difficult task, I have made the wrong choice twice with bikes that were no fun, and sold them at a substantial loss. ..................ET

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, mcgavind <mcgavind@...> wrote:

From: mcgavind <mcgavind@...>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:28 PM

Thank you, all of you! Keep it coming! I am a newbie and want to get
the "right" bike this time around. I appreciate the advice I have
received so far. When are the rides and from where? How do I find out?
I have ridden a couple of Atlantic bents around the parking lot (don't
remember the names, Josh), but I'd love to ride my Lemond with you guys
to see what it is like "close-up-and- personal" and for a longer time
frame. Let me know where and when. How many are you , anyway? I'll be
at Art Basel this Saturday, but after that (assuming I can correct final
exams in a hurry), I'll be available until the 20th and then after that
the 1st and from then on til May, when I go to Michigan for the summer.
Looking forward to it! Oh, BTW, the closet can hold only the size of a
regular bike; I have been out of the closet so long I can hardly
remember the dimensions!!

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "seragram"
<seragram@.. .> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Ted" teabone@
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
> >
> > Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> > from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> > this time I think he's wrong).
> >
> >I agree with you on this one.
> he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
> has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
> and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
> love"
> (efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will
commute?
>
> In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> Sergio
>

#15894

From: "seragram" <seragram@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 5:16 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

seragram

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@...
wrote:
>
>
>
> In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> Sergio
>
>
> And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that
two letter word :-)

I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose likes to
ride.
Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)

#15895

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 10:22 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

bentwheeler

Let's not. It would be more fun to pick on Sergio. While we're at it, we may consider picking on Ted too but he's a pretty big guy and has been doing about 300 miles per week on his HIGHRACER so.... I better get in shape or hire a body guard before I post a PICK ON TED comment.

I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose likes to
ride.

-----Original Message-----
From: seragram <seragram@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:16 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@...
wrote:
>
>
>
> In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> Sergio
>
>
> And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that
two letter word :-)

I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose likes to
ride.
Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)

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#15896

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 10:24 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

bentwheeler

also ride a bionic diamond frame

Hey ET,

Please post pics and details about your BIONIC DF. Did the Million Dollar Man sell it to you?

-----Original Message-----
From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

You will fit in well with your diamond frame as I also ride a bionic diamond frame when not riding my custom recumbent and my custom recumbent is smaller & faster than my diamond frame.

Choosing the right recumbent is a difficult task, I have made the wrong choice twice with bikes that were no fun, and sold them at a substantial loss. ..................ET

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, mcgavind <mcgavind@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mcgavind <mcgavind@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:28 PM

Thank you, all of you! Keep it coming! I am a newbie and want to get
the "right" bike this time around. I appreciate the advice I have
received so far. When are the rides and from where? How do I find out?
I have ridden a couple of Atlantic bents around the parking lot (don't
remember the names, Josh), but I'd love to ride my Lemond with you guys
to see what it is like "close-up-and- personal" and for a longer time
frame. Let me know where and when. How many are you , anyway? I'll be
at Art Basel this Saturday, but after that (assuming I can correct final
exams in a hurry), I'll be available until the 20th and then after that
the 1st and from then on til May, when I go to Michigan for the summer.
Looking forward to it! Oh, BTW, the closet can hold only the size of a
regular bike; I have been out of the closet so long I can hardly
remember the dimensions!!

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "seragram"
<seragram@.. .> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Ted" teabone@
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
> >
> > Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> > from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> > this time I think he's wrong).
> >
> >I agree with you on this one.
> he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
> has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
> and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
> love"
> (efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will
commute?
>
> In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> Sergio
>

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#15897

From: ET Williams <etwwinc@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 11:42 am
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

etwwinc

Pictures were posted on the web site last year when I got the super wedgie, it's the red bike behind my custom recumbent. Inside of it's thin wall extruded aluminum frame is a $400.00 lithium ion cell pack that activates a servo motor in the rear hub, that can only be activated by pedaling (pedal assist) the bike accelerates like a rocket but the top speed is only a little over 20mph not as fast as my recumbent or most other upper end bents, but none of them can accelerate with it. I have rode it over 30miles on a single charge but then again I can ride it like a Rip Stick and skate rather than pedal. The Bionic model above mine has a top speed of over 30mph and a 60 mile range for a few thousand dollars more.

Enjoy the Ride.....................ET.

On Tue, 12/2/08, BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...> wrote:

From: BentWheeler@... <BentWheeler@...>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:24 AM

also ride a bionic diamond frame
Hey ET,

Please post pics and details about your BIONIC DF. Did the Million Dollar Man sell it to you?

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
A NEW, IMPROVED Cycling Solutions Coming SOON to a web browser near you!
http://www.CyclingS olutions. com
http://www.getbent. org

-----Original Message-----
From: ET Williams <etwwinc@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

Greetings, you have been given excellent advise by all involved. The best thing to do is to get involved and Okeehelee park is a good place to start. We are small group that rides most Saturday mornings, rides are based on smiles and camaraderie rather than speed and distance.

You will fit in well with your diamond frame as I also ride a bionic diamond frame when not riding my custom recumbent and my custom recumbent is smaller & faster than my diamond frame.

Choosing the right recumbent is a difficult task, I have made the wrong choice twice with bikes that were no fun, and sold them at a substantial loss.       ............ ......ET





--- On Mon, 12/1/08, mcgavind <mcgavind@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: mcgavind <mcgavind@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:28 PM

Thank you, all of you! Keep it coming! I am a newbie and want to get
the "right" bike this time around. I appreciate the advice I have
received so far. When are the rides and from where? How do I find out?
I have ridden a couple of Atlantic bents around the parking lot (don't
remember the names, Josh), but I'd love to ride my Lemond with you guys
to see what it is like "close-up-and- personal" and for a longer time
frame. Let me know where and when. How many are you , anyway? I'll be
at Art Basel this Saturday, but after that (assuming I can correct final
exams in a hurry), I'll be available until the 20th and then after that
the 1st and from then on til May, when I go to Michigan for the summer.
Looking forward to it! Oh, BTW, the closet can hold only the size of a
regular bike; I have been out of the closet so long I can hardly
remember the dimensions!!

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "seragram"
<seragram@.. .> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Ted" teabone@
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
> >
> > Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> > from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> > this time I think he's wrong).
> >
> >I agree with you on this one.
> he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
> has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
> and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
> love"
> (efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will
commute?
>
> In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> Sergio
>

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#15898

From: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 12:56 pm
Subject: The Sunday Morning Intermediate Ride, 12/7/2008, 8:00 am

SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com

Reminder from:		SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders Yahoo! Group

Title:		The Sunday Morning Intermediate Ride

Date:		Sunday December 7, 2008
Time:		8:00 am - 10:30 am
Repeats:		This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:		The next reminder for this event will be sent in 3 days, 3 minutes.
Location:		Pompano City Hall
Street:		100 West Atlantic Blvd.
City State Zip:		Pompano Beach, Fl 33060
Phone:		954-971-9590
Notes:		Join Josh and hopefully Sergio every week for an intermediate ride through Fort Lauderdale. WE will Start at Pompano City Hall located on Atlantic Blvd just east of Dixie highway. The planned route is east to A1A and then North or South depending on the prevailing winds. Of course the route is subject to change depending on where the group wants to go. Breakfast during or after the ride is also an option.

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#15900

From: "Ken aka EZ Biker :-)" <ez_biker@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 1:11 pm
Subject: Hosers REAL Future new ride...

ezbiker_2

Goody, another chance to SMACK DOWN Hose! Sorry Hoser I have to side
with Sergio on the High Racer debate. And being your Friend... I think
it's time to expose, what you are presently saving up for, to be your
next vehicle of choice... ;-)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/EZ-Biker/test-album/Chopper.jpg
EZ (Always Loves a shot at Hose) Biker :-)

#15901

From: "seragram" <seragram@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride...

seragram

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ken aka EZ Biker :-
)" <ez_biker@...> wrote:
>
> Goody, another chance to SMACK DOWN Hose! Sorry Hoser I have to side
> with Sergio on the High Racer debate. And being your Friend... I think
> it's time to expose, what you are presently saving up for, to be your
> next vehicle of choice... ;-)
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/EZ-Biker/test-album/Chopper.jpg
> EZ (Always Loves a shot at Hose) Biker :-)
>

Oh no EZ is on my side. Must rethink my position on this. (LOL)
As for that Halscheld contraction EZ how fast do you go on your
Halscheld Special in your ride to the early bird specials? Do they come
in different colors? Can Shimano brakes be installed on that thing? How
about a faring? Inquiring minds want to know I may need one soon.
Come to think of it that contraction maybe a big seller here at
SFRR.
Sergio (LMAO)

#15902

From: "seragram" <seragram@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 1:40 pm
Subject: EZ Kids in distress ride?

seragram

Hey are you doing Kids in distress ride this year?
I know John and Steve from our Sunday's ride starting at world famous
Pompano Beach city Hall are going.
Sergio

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#15903

From: BentWheeler@...
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride...

bentwheeler

I'd say that is a good commuter EZ, but will the EuroMesh Seat work on that?

-----Original Message-----
From: seragram <seragram@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 8:32 am
Subject: SFRR: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride...

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ken aka EZ Biker :-
)" <ez_biker@...> wrote:
>
> Goody, another chance to SMACK DOWN Hose! Sorry Hoser I have to side
> with Sergio on the High Racer debate. And being your Friend... I think
> it's time to expose, what you are presently saving up for, to be your
> next vehicle of choice... ;-)
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/EZ-Biker/test-album/Chopper.jpg
> EZ (Always Loves a shot at Hose) Biker :-)
>

Oh no EZ is on my side. Must rethink my position on this. (LOL)
As for that Halscheld contraction EZ how fast do you go on your
Halscheld Special in your ride to the early bird specials? Do they come
in different colors? Can Shimano brakes be installed on that thing? How
about a faring? Inquiring minds want to know I may need one soon.
Come to think of it that contraction maybe a big seller here at
SFRR.
Sergio (LMAO)

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#15904

From: "Ken aka EZ Biker :-)" <ez_biker@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride...

ezbiker_2

I've gotten mine up to 3 MEGA mph, on my way to Century Village Bingo
Bonanza Night. (The babes there have been checking me out, BIG TIME)
Colors? Wicked Red, Seduction Pink, Bold Black and Dreamy Blue. Mine
is the Bold Black as the Pink was on back order... ;-) Shimano brakes
have been ordered for it and I'm still toying with a possible
fairing... EuroMesh sounds like a great idea! (Thanks Hose!) And
finally, "NO... :-( " I won't be part of the Inlet Challenge as I
continue to try and save up my pennies for... (Future X...???). BUT,
I'll be doing the 62 route starting at 5 AM, to avoid getting whipped
by any DFer's or you SNEAKY (REALLY FAST SFRR types) :-)
By the way, I'm wondering if Josh might be considering carrying this
line of HOT WHEELS... ;-) (Might as well take a shot at him too... ;-)
EZ (Shootin everyone) Biker :-)

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
<seragram@...> wrote: ...I may need one soon.
> Come to think of it that contraction maybe a big seller here at
> SFRR.
> Sergio (LMAO)
>

#15905

From: "caronsam1" <caronsam1@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: EZ Kids in distress ride?

caronsam1

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
<seragram@...> wrote:
>
> Hey are you doing Kids in distress ride this year?
> I know John and Steve from our Sunday's ride starting at world famous
> Pompano Beach city Hall are going.
> Sergio
>

sergio are you goin or are you doing the sunday right in pompano
cause i wanted to do the miami ride the one you told me by the mall.
but i rather ride with you guys in pompano, i dont think josh is goin
to the kids in distress.

sammy

Reply | Messages in this Topic (2)

#15906

From: Daniel McGavin <mcgavind@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

mcgavind

Jose, I enjoyed your blog.

Dan McGavin

From: "BentWheeler@..." <BentWheeler@...>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 10:17:03 PM
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
Sergio

And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that two letter word :-)

Jose A. Hernandez
Bent Cycling Means NEVER Having to say you're sore!
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-----Original Message-----
From: seragram <seragram@yahoo. com>
To: SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Ted" <teabone@... >
wrote:
>
> I guess I'll add my own $0.02 to the great advice offered so far...
>
> Sorry to muddy the water but my experience with highracers differs
> from Jose's. I value and respect Jose's most learned opinion (though
> this time I think he's wrong).
>
>I agree with you on this one.
he failed to notice the man is 6' tall
has commuted on a DF the past 10 years
and would like to in his own words "preserve the road bike feel that I
love"
(efficient speed) and still have an inexpensive bent that will commute?

In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
Sergio

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#15907

From: "caronsam1" <caronsam1@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

caronsam1

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Beatty"
<sprout_4u@...> wrote:
>
> Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you missed
a
> fun ride.  I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
me
> today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> appearance, and riding part way with us.  You can tell that he has
> Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15 MPH
> into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike with
> 16" wheels.
>
> First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a massive
> headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed me
> down 5MPH instantly.  It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
got
> to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
think
> it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as he
> clipped in.  No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
gentle
> fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI".  I did not see
> either one so I am taking his word on it.  As the skies were
looking
> gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we started
> to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on going
> not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were going
> 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over as
> well.  I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI".  I am beginning to
get
> upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> standard on which to judge future accidents.  Both times Sammy made
> sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike and
> maybe they should consider getting one.  Next we took 17th St over
> the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
bagel
> shop.
>
> After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see it
> was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
bridge
> and back up A1A.  This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
was
> the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone wants
to
> go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
Faster,
> Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was a
> lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
down,
> I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back there.
> So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others.  When we
> were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep us
> together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
>
> Josh
>




Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this sunday?
I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is goin
to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami.. the
one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,

let me know

sammy

#15908

From: "seragram" <seragram@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: Hosers REAL Future new ride...

seragram

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "Ken aka EZ Biker :-
)" <ez_biker@...> wrote:
And finally, "NO... :-( " I won't be part of the Inlet Challenge as I
> continue to try and save up my pennies for... (Future X...???).

EZ you banker kind of guy. (LOL)
Sergio

#15909

From: "Ted" <teabone@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Advice for a newbie, well, not even that, yet.

teabone001

Hose,

While I humbly defer to your keen intellect, vastly superior
knowledge, and many many many many years of recumbent experience, I
still think that McGavinD might soon be disappointed with anything
slower than a highracer. However, your criticisms are valid. I just
think that the benefits outweigh the liabilities.

Recap follows for McGavinD:

Hose said: "I didn't think it handled well on trails where you have
lots of tight turns and you may need to bike at a very low speed."

-  This is true to a degree, especially if you ride it in it's most
efficient, very reclined position. In this laid back position you lose
the view of the ground directly ahead of your front wheel and you are
not able to employ body english for tricky maneuvers. I've cultivated
a kind of "look ahead" peripheral-type vision that allows me to
anticipate, mostly obviating the need to see the front wheel on the
pavement.

In cases where I need to "thread a needle", I unclip at least one foot
(sometimes both) and lean forward off the seat back. With the short
wheelbase of the highracer (pretty close to that of a DF), in this
position I find that I have very near the handling of a DF (pls pardon
the profanity) including body english. It doesn't happen all that
often, but has become second nature to me when needed.

Joe said: "I'm gonna step in from afar (China) and suggest ye join one
of Jose's or Josh's or the Okee rides so you can see the different
bents up close and personal....I'm will'n to bet someone will actually
let you test ride one in a big ol empty parking lot."

- I heartily second this. Actually, ride multiple times before
deciding, if you can. Since the balance and the muscle groups used are
different, it take a bit of getting used to before you can make a
sound judgment. In reality , it will take 500-600 miles to become
fully acclimated, so keep an open mind on your test rides and know
that the initial strangeness becomes "as natural as riding a bike"
with time.

I started with my seat fairly upright and then lowered it a notch
every couple weeks, allowing my mind time to adjust.

Sergio said: "Bacchetta high racers will ride faster than what you got
once you get use to it and be more confortable."

- Yup, he's right about that.

Another thing that has not been mentioned yet... Riding in the
efficiently reclined highracer position makes it difficult to look
behind you. A mirror (or two) is a requirement. Joe does well with the
"Take-A-Look" helmet mounted small mirror. I like the handlebar
mounted type. When making a potentially life threatening move in
traffic I still rely on a direct (not reflected) view. To look behind
requires that I lean forward a bit (again off the seat back) to be
able to swivel my head far enough to see directly behind me. This is
easier to do on one of the more upright (and therefore less efficient)
bikes such as the CLWB (4 letter word, Hose ;-) ).

Early in my highracer experience I had difficulties with numb toes
after a few miles. I attribute it to the higher bottom bracket. Much
excellent advice was offered on this forum on how to cope with it. I
think that time has been the best cure as it doesn't happen nearly as
often or as quickly as before. I may have grown more capillaries in my
feet to compensate.

All in all, any recumbent bike model will be far more comfortable. The
highracer just allows you to comfortable at a higher speed.

Ted

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, "seragram"
<seragram@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com, BentWheeler@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > In my own experience the closest recumbent to a DF is a highracer.
> > Sergio
> >
> >
> > And that is why I like riding things that are not THAT close to that
> two letter word :-)
>
> I know that Hose. But this is about what "mcgavind" said he wanted in
> his original post. We can start another thread about what Hose likes to
> ride.
> Sergio (I think that was a shot LOL)
>

#15910

From: Bob Emmerich <divebob8@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls

divebob8

Hey Gang,

I'm going to be in So. FL this weekend and will be riding. What is the "Ride Du Jour?"

Bob

W.Melbourne

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, caronsam1 <caronsam1@...> wrote:

From: caronsam1 <caronsam1@...>
Subject: SFRR: Re: Sunday Morning ride report, Wind, Rain and Falls
To: SouthFloridaRecumbentRiders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 PM

--- In SouthFloridaRecumbe ntRiders@ yahoogroups. com, "Joshua Beatty"
<sprout_4u@. ..> wrote:
>
> Another great ride today, for those that did not make it you missed
a
> fun ride. I want to thank John, Steve, and Sammy for riding with
me
> today as Well as Sergio and his Grandson for making a guest
> appearance, and riding part way with us. You can tell that he has
> Sergio's blood in him as both he and Sergio passed us riding 15 MPH
> into a headwind, and he was riding on a single speed Bmx bike with
> 16" wheels.
>
> First part of the ride was up Atlantic to A1A South into a massive
> headwind the entire time, at one point a gust hit me and slowed me
> down 5MPH instantly. It was a fun scenic trip down A1A until we
got
> to Sunrise Blvd and Steve decided to fall over at the light, I
think
> it was blamed on a 30MPH wind gust that stopped him dead just as he
> clipped in. No real injury and I was told "It was just a slow
gentle
> fall, NOTHING LIKE WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I did not see
> either one so I am taking his word on it. As the skies were
looking
> gloomy we decided that we would turn around and run when we started
> to get rained on, but when it started to rain we just kept on going
> not taking our own advise. A little after the rain just past the
> Bahia Mar as John was leading and talking to me while we were going
> 12MPH into the wind he decided it was time for him to fall over as
> well. I was then told "MY CRASH HAD MORE STYLE AND WAS MORE
> SPECTACULAR THAN WHAT JOSE DID AT BIKE MIAMI". I am beginning to
get
> upset that I missed that on Jose, apparently it has become the
> standard on which to judge future accidents. Both times Sammy made
> sure to point out that he has not fallen over yet on his trike and
> maybe they should consider getting one. Next we took 17th St over
> the bridge, which was fun today with gusting crosswinds, to the
bagel
> shop.
>
> After a quick breakfast we started to head for home only to see it
> was blocked by rain so we went back the way we came, over the
bridge
> and back up A1A. This time we had an awesome tailwind and 18MPH
was
> the average speed we carried until John kept saying everyone wants
to
> go faster, and as I began to pick up the pace I kept hearing
Faster,
> Faster so we hit 28 MPH and began to start passing cars, this was a
> lot of fun until I could not breathe anymore and I had to slow
down,
> I then looked in the mirror and saw that only John was back there.
> So we stopped to catch our breath and wait for the others. When we
> were all together again Sammy decided to take the lead and keep us
> together doing 18 MPH all the way home. It was a great morning to
> ride, SO WHO WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK?
>
> Josh
>

Josh I wanted to know if you have any idea who is coming this sunday?
I wanted to do the miami ride but i dont know. also if no one is goin
to come i wanted to see if you wanted to do that ride in miami.. the
one that sergio was talking about.(by the mall).. just a thought,

let me know

sammy