At 08:27 PM 10/31/2008, ryk L wrote:
>I do believe that the controversy concerning Jeff about no quad, will also
>follow Chan pending
>his perfecting the Quad for competition.

Perhaps, but Chan landed a quad in practice at Skate Canada, and
according to a report on CBC, did so to make sure his competitors
knew he had one.    While I would agree that there is a big
difference between landing a quad in practice, and landing it in
competition, Patrick is only 17, and the odds he will be landing it
in competition soon,  are far greater than that of an older skater.


~ Sherry @>----

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--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "ryk L" <yango6000@...> wrote:
>
> Marks are posted for the Short Program of Skate Canada.
>
> http://www.isufs.org/results/gpcan08/SEG001.HTM
>
> What is amazing, is the 17 year old Patrick Chan scored solid 7.00
and way
> above in all
> sections of the PC score.
>
> I do believe that the controversy concerning Jeff about no quad,
will also
> follow Chan pending
> his perfecting the Quad for competition.
>
> Ryk
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

There is a good reson for it! Likewise was for Buttle, despite the
fact that many people didn't want to give him enough credit for it.
For Patrick as it was for buttle, the SP are an entity, where
everything counts like in COP and they score big in those marks
which used to be "fillers" or call them step sequences.
Patrick's steps sequences are so difficult, edgy footwork, with lots
of turns on toe picks and transitions.  He enters from the landing
of his lutz immendiately into his circular step sequences right in
front of the judges, so they have to take notice...Kurt Browning
said is rather risky what Lori Nichol tries with his skaters. And
Patrick indeed slipped at the end of his straight footwork.

As I said I didn't like his 3 axel last year, his landings were
iffy, but apparently he worked on it, entering in the axel from a
different angle, however, today it didn't show, the landing was
rather low.

The mens event is shaping up as very interesting, this time around
the quad was well represented:

1. Y. Ponsero. Very meritous first place, flawless all the way, he
jumps big and skates well, Tracy said his skating is elevated a
notch in every department (jumps, spins and footwork), he looks
reinvented, making a choreographic statement. He blew away his
previous best with 9 points and it'll be very interesting to see if
he holds it together or crumbles like last year when he dropped from
second to sixth. he had a huge quad toe / 2 toe, huge triple axel
and a good lutz.

2. P. Chan came behind with aprox. 0.6 with his 3 axel, 3 flip / 3
toe and 3 lutz.

3 R. Bradley - I love this guy. "never boring" as Kurt says or
a "breath of fresh air" as Tracy, Ryan comes up with original
programs which makes sense to him. He is a crowd pleaser. He landed
a huge quad and his triple behind had no flow so he flipped out of
it, a very big axel. he's improved his spin positions, stretched but
still slow.


4. Evan is he in a big trouble! I feel sorry for him because he
doesn't skate bad at all. He flipped out of his lutz in the combo so
he had to put a foot down to take an extra step before tackling his
3 toe...after that it didn't count as a combo anymore. He is now in
forth and with a 6 points deficit behind second place, even if he
finishes third, the qualification for the GPF will depend on other
skaters, or "he will not control his own destiny"

Voronov finished 5th, beautiful jumping (quad combo and 3 axel) but
th rest of his program needs a lot of work, looks emtpy in
comparison with the best in this field.

Shawn sawyer won a mini battle with himself landing the 3 axel on
one foot, but lost his balance and still was short of full rotation
and got downgraded.

Joseph

Rochette posted her highest mark for a short program
and it is now her personal best.

2008/10/31 janice4th <memory58@...>

>   Okay, I just finished watching the Ladies SP
>
> It will be interesting to compare Rochette's and Suguri's GOE's. Rochette
> had the turns
> between the combo and it looked like she ended after her music. Suguri had
> that spin that
> went flying across the ice. I'm not sure which I'd put first.
>
> Despite the fall, I though Zhang skated well. Can't wait until tomorrow to
> see how the ice
> flies.
>
> >
> >
> > I'm watching on the Icenetwork right now. Despite the falls, I've enjoyed
> most of the
> ladies
> > so far.
> >
> > I am always blown away by Liang, especially her SP's. I guess some might
> say her SP
> was too
> > busy, but I found it always interesting and full of attack.
> >
>
>
>


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Okay, I just finished watching the Ladies SP







It will be interesting to compare Rochette's and Suguri's GOE's.  Rochette had
the turns
between the combo and it looked like she ended after her music.  Suguri had that
spin that
went flying across the ice.  I'm not sure which I'd put first.

Despite the fall, I though Zhang skated well.  Can't wait until tomorrow to see
how the ice
flies.


>
>
> I'm watching on the Icenetwork right now.  Despite the falls, I've enjoyed
most of the
ladies
> so far.
>
> I am always blown away by Liang, especially her SP's.  I guess some might say
her SP
was too
> busy, but I found it always interesting and full of attack.
>

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "ImaHarper" <ImaHarper@...> wrote:
>
> I just watched a bit of the ladies short program. What a lovely skater
> Cynthia Phaneuf is, though her jumps deserted her in this program.
> Her costume wins my fashion award for the most elegant of the season.
> Does anyone know who did that costume?
>


I'm watching on the Icenetwork right now.  Despite the falls, I've enjoyed most
of the ladies
so far.

I am always blown away by Liang, especially her SP's.  I guess some might say
her SP was too
busy, but I found it always interesting and full of attack.

Marks are posted for the Short Program of Skate Canada.

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpcan08/SEG001.HTM

What is amazing, is the 17 year old Patrick Chan scored solid 7.00 and way
above in all
sections of the PC score.

I do believe that the controversy concerning Jeff about no quad, will also
follow Chan pending
his perfecting the Quad for competition.

Ryk


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On Oct 29, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Ben Currie wrote:

> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@... wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim isn't that great a great skater at
>  > all. She's merely riding on the reputation of her incredible coach.
> ;-
>  )
>  > Trudi
>
>  I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend the pupil of her world
>  famous coach.
>
>  But I thought it was all ice they were skating on, little did I know
> it
>  was in fact water some of them walk on.

I don't know any skaters who walk on water, just skaters who skate on
frozen water.

>
>  <<GG>>
>
>  Ben Currie
>
>  PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I don't like about her,
>  and often thought overcame the great one himself.

Whatever. Suit yourself...I'll suit myself!

Trudi

I just watched a bit of the ladies short program. What a lovely skater
Cynthia Phaneuf is, though her jumps deserted her in this program.
Her costume wins my fashion award for the most elegant of the season.
Does anyone know who did that costume?

In my opinion, the Kerrs definitely "won" the Exhibitions, closely
followed by Lysacek. They did their original dance from last season --
the one in kilts; that was about the loudest I heard the crowd roar
all weekend.

Barbara

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Liz Matthews <liz5843@...> wrote:
>
> I am a total lurker so I don't know how to give the Url, but on
YouTube, there is a clip of the Kerrs at the Skate America Gala.  She
lifts him, twice!  Then John does a short man/man "pairs" spot with
guess who?
> The male gold medalist!  John lifts and throws him!  I can't believe
no one has seen this;  it is so cute.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
<SkateFans@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> > From: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com <SkateFans@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [SkateFans] Digest Number 10421
> > To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 1:29 AM
> > There are 13 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1a. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     From: capcomgr
> > 1b. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     From: herios
> > 1c. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     From: capcomgr
> > 1d. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     From: capcomgr
> >
> > 2a. Re: Downgraded jumps
> >     From: capcomgr
> > 2b. Re: Downgraded jumps
> >     From: Ben Currie
> >
> > 3.1. Upcoming skating on US TV
> >     From: Kathy Godfrey
> >
> > 4a. Re: Skate America Men's FP Spoilers - First Group
> >
> >     From: herios
> >
> > 5a. Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     From: kgorkrj
> > 5b. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     From: Alison Cook
> > 5c. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     From: herios
> > 5d. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     From: Don Winn
> >
> > 6a. New Articles
> >     From: Alexandra Damman
> >
> >
> > Messages
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 1a. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> > capcomgr
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:16 am ((PDT))
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie"
> > <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim isn't
> > that great a great skater
> > at
> > > > all. She's merely riding on the reputation of
> > her incredible
> > coach. ;-
> > > )
> > > > Trudi
> > >
> > > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend the
> > pupil of her world
> > > famous coach.
> > >
> > > But I thought it was all ice they were skating on,
> > little did I
> > know it
> > > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> > >
> > > <<GG>>
> > >
> > > Ben Currie
> > >
> > > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I
> > don't like about
> > her,
> > > and often thought overcame the great one himself.
> > I remember when skaters actually skated as if the music
> > playing
> > around them had some connection to what they were doing.
> > Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't complete
> > choreographical
> > moves and drops all pretense of posture and character when
> > approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice height and
> > great air
> > position, but a artisitc interpreter of music, well...
> > I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't find her
> > on
> > YouTube...anybody got any hints?
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (11)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 1b. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     Posted by: "herios" herios@... herios
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:01 am ((PDT))
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr"
> > <capcomop@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben
> > Currie" <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim
> > isn't that great a great
> > skater
> > > at
> > > > > all. She's merely riding on the
> > reputation of her incredible
> > > coach. ;-
> > > > )
> > > > > Trudi
> > > >
> > > > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend
> > the pupil of her
> > world
> > > > famous coach.
> > > >
> > > > But I thought it was all ice they were skating
> > on, little did I
> > > know it
> > > > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> > > >
> > > > <<GG>>
> > > >
> > > > Ben Currie
> > > >
> > > > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I
> > don't like about
> > > her,
> > > > and often thought overcame the great one himself.
> > > I remember when skaters actually skated as if the
> > music playing
> > > around them had some connection to what they were
> > doing.
> > > Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't complete
> > choreographical
> > > moves and drops all pretense of posture and character
> > when
> > > approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice
> > height and great
> > air
> > > position, but a artisitc interpreter of music, well...
> > > I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't find
> > her on
> > > YouTube...anybody got any hints?
> > >
> >
> >
> > You just have to ask:)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrVvs7OWA
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (11)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 1c. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> > capcomgr
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:25 am ((PDT))
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "herios"
> > <herios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr"
> > <capcomop@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben
> > Currie" <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com,
> > trudee44081@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim
> > isn't that great a great
> > > skater
> > > > at
> > > > > > all. She's merely riding on the
> > reputation of her incredible
> > > > coach. ;-
> > > > > )
> > > > > > Trudi
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would
> > defend the pupil of her
> > > world
> > > > > famous coach.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I thought it was all ice they were
> > skating on, little did I
> > > > know it
> > > > > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> > > > >
> > > > > <<GG>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben Currie
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness
> > I don't like about
> > > > her,
> > > > > and often thought overcame the great one
> > himself.
> > > > I remember when skaters actually skated as if the
> > music playing
> > > > around them had some connection to what they were
> > doing.
> > > > Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't
> > complete choreographical
> > > > moves and drops all pretense of posture and
> > character when
> > > > approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice
> > height and great
> > > air
> > > > position, but a artisitc interpreter of music,
> > well...
> > > > I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't
> > find her on
> > > > YouTube...anybody got any hints?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You just have to ask:)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrVvs7OWA
> > >
> > > Joseph
> > You are too kind! Thank you. She has grown a bit,
> > physically that is.
> > Her jumps seem to be in an "adjustment" phase.
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (11)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 1d. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
> >     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> > capcomgr
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:57 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > SNIP
> > > The American girls went clean. The only placement you
> > can
> > reasonably
> > > argue about, and I did so for a while, is whether the
> > Ando fall is
> > > insignificant and so she should be first given her
> > terrific jumping
> > > passes ... but the program withered down ... and she
> > got a deserved
> > > artistic deduction for FRONT LOADING THE 3 jumping
> > passes, 1,2,3 in
> > > the program which should be illegal or otherwise
> > penalized as the
> > > quintesential UNBALANCED routine ... There I've
> > said it. (Also,
> > > unaccountably, Meissner skated with the better speed
> > and command of
> > > the group -- how odd is that?)
> > >
> > > Ben Currie
> > >
> > > It is as simple as that.
> > The USFSA has the planned element sheets up for
> > SkateCanada. Front
> > loading is common, with almost half the girls doing the
> > jumps
> > elements 1,2,3 including Zhang. All but one of the rest are
> > doing
> > 1,2,4 or 1,2,5. Only one skater is not keeping to one of
> > these
> > patterns and is, in fact, the only skater not using a jump
> > for her
> > first element, Liang! Her jumps are 2,5,7 out of the eight
> > listed
> > elements giving her, in my opinion, the best planned
> > balanced SP>
> >
> > My favorite listed element...*** **** Element Not Found!
> > ****
> > I didn't know the judges had that button, but it
> > explains SOOOO very
> > much :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (11)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 2a. Re: Downgraded jumps
> >     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> > capcomgr
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:41 am ((PDT))
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie"
> > <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There is person or person on U-Tube who are obsessed
> > with Yu-na
> > > Kim's "lip"
> > and supposed under-rotation of her TT on the backend of her
> >
> > > Flip/TT combo.
> >
> > I didn't bother with the under-rotation bit, but the
> > "lip" video is
> > pretty funny! Nothing like using the ISU's own
> > technical video to
> > show how a skater does exactly the WRONG thing.
> > Having thought the TT was a DT on first glace, I can
> > > attest that the combo has no technical problems worth
> > making a U-
> > tube
> > > video to demonstrate.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, I am still surprized at the
> > down-grading
> > reported on
> > > Ando's Lutz/Loop combo in her short ....
> > Flatt's Flip/Loop is
> > little
> > > closer to be short of rotation, but she still makes it
> > 2 and three-
> > > quarters around ....
> > >
> > > U-tube vids are notoriously of poor quality, perhaps a
> > perfect vid
> > > would show otherwise. I doubt it ....
> > >
> > > Ben Currie
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (3)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 2b. Re: Downgraded jumps
> >     Posted by: "Ben Currie" ncurrie40@...
> > ncurrie40
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:01 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr"
> > <capcomop@> wrote:
> >
> > > Re: U-Yube obsessive re: alleged "lip" by
> > Yu-na Kim __
> >
> > > I didn't bother with the under-rotation bit [re:
> > Yu-na Kim, and an
> > obsessive anti-fan], but the "lip" video is
> > pretty funny! Nothing
> > like using the ISU's own technical video to  show how a
> > skater does
> > exactly the WRONG thing.
> >
> >
> > The "lip" freaks me out.  The essential complaint
> > is that the "perp"
> > is doing a HARDER jump than a Flip, a much harder jump in
> > fact, and
> > thus should be penalized for doing a harder trick.
> >
> > Actually, the Yu-na "lip" vid illustrates my
> > [bothersome] point that
> > toe jumps almost always leave the ice ambiguously ---
> > usually off the
> > forward part of blade that doesn't even have an edge OR
> > off what for
> > all intents and purposes is a "FLAT" -- that
> > "part" of the blade
> > between the inside and outside edge.
> >
> > Dick Button complains when the INSIDE edge in the Flip
> > preparation is
> > on too deep of a curvy edge ... he likes them to basically
> > go
> > straight down the ice before the toe-in .... that's cuz
> > turning the
> > three-turn and gliding straight back down the ice is harder
> > than
> > doing the three-turn and continuing on the inside curvy
> > edge.
> >
> > And that's why Weir's mohawk to the back inside
> > edge as his prep for
> > his Flip never quite works so hot, cuz it is not a strong
> > "checked"
> > position after a strong three-turn.  But everybody had a
> > bugaboo
> > jump ... How many times did we see Todd save that blown
> > salchow take
> > off?
> >
> > Ben Currie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (3)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 3.1. Upcoming skating on US TV
> >     Posted by: "Kathy Godfrey"
> > Kathy.Godfrey@... kgorkrj
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:10 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > Taken from Titan TV for the week of Sat.11/1/08 through
> > Fri.11/7/08.
> >
> > All times Eastern; please doublecheck your local listings.
> >
> > Fri  Oct  31  Skating for Life                        Style
> > 10 a.m.-noon EDT
> >               [Bloomington, IL  10/15/08] [repeat from NBC
> > 10/25/08]
> > Sat  Nov  1   "Made" w/ figure skater Whitney Jo
> >     MTV 6-7 a.m. EDT
> >               [repeat from 10/5/08]
> > Sat  Nov  1   "Ice Princess" (2005 movie)
> >    ABCFamily
> > 12:30-2:30 p.m. EDT
> >               (cast includes Kwan, Boitano, and Juliana
> > Cannarozzo)
> > Sat  Nov  1   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S.
> > Hamilton) MoreMax
> > 7:20-9:00 p.m. EDT
> > ---------------daylight saving time ends 11/2: turn clocks
> > back an hour-----
> > Sun  Nov  2   Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons Tribute on
> > Ice  NBC
> > 4-6 p.m. EST
> >               [Chicago, IL, 10/25/08]
> > Thu  Nov  6  "Impact: Stories of Survival"
> > (includes Paul Binnebose)
> > DiscoveryHealth 5-6 a.m. EDT
> >                "Martial Artist on Fire" [repeat
> > from 4/9/04]
> > Fri  Nov  7   "Today" with Kristi Yamaguchi
> >           NBC 7-11 a.m. EST
> > Fri  Nov  7   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S.
> > Hamilton) MoreMax
> > 10-11:45 a.m. EST
> > Sat  Nov  8   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S.
> > Hamilton) MoreMax
> > 1:30-3:15 a.m. EST
> > Sat  Nov  8   Kristi Yamaguchi Friends and Family     NBC
> > 4-6 p.m. EST
> >               [Phoenix, AZ  10/12/08]
> >
> > >>Kathy Godfrey
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (838)
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> >
________________________________________________________________________
> > 4a. Re: Skate America Men's FP Spoilers - First Group
> >     Posted by: "herios" herios@... herios
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:42 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Alexandra Damman
> > <dralexd@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Shawn Sawyer - Amadeus in black
> > > False music start.  3F-3T, 3A (2ft), 3Lz (hand),
> > flying camel-bent-
> > catch spin, great circular step sequence full of position
> > changes
> > appropriate to music, split-3lp, 2A-3T, 3F, 2A, straight
> > line step
> > sequence, 3S-2T-2T, camel-bent-chg-camel-catch spin, combo
> > spin.  He
> > looks like he’s having a good time, and this is a
> > good program for
> > him - restrained drama.  I would love to see this program
> > skated
> > cleanly.
> >
> >
> > That is unlikely to happen. Unfortunately, Shawn developed
> > a habit
> > to two foot his 3 axel, I keep seeing this in the last 5
> > years or
> > so...
> > I was wondering why some great technicians in the Canadian
> > team
> > don't help him to correct this flaw which holds him
> > back!
> > The response came this past week end from Kurt
> > Browning...He and
> > Brian Orser toured with Shawn and they tried to teach him
> > how to
> > push through his triple axel as became so obvious for
> > everyone, but
> > he doesn't get enough elevation and as he knows that,
> > he will try to
> > rotate faster than he should and that speed actually brings
> > the jump
> > down earlier. He has a big chance this year to get back on
> > the team
> > with Buttle retired and Mabee taking the year off, but I am
> >
> > skeptical I will see him correcting his axel
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (2)
> >
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> >
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> > 5a. Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     Posted by: "kgorkrj" Kathy.Godfrey@...
> > kgorkrj
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:46 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself Go" from the
> > Astaire/Rogers
> > movie "Follow the Fleet"
> >
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymopw4nP64>
> >
> > The original from the movie:
> >
> > Ginger sings it:
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6DAECGiQw>
> >
> > And hoofs it with Fred:
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1FjlVsZ-mk>
> >
> > >>Kathy Godfrey
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic (4)
> >
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> > 5b. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     Posted by: "Alison Cook"
> > alisoncook@...
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:28 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > Is it okay to admit that I had a lot of fun watching
> > this?  Fun...ice dancing.  Fancy that.
> >
> > Alison C.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, kgorkrj
> > <Kathy.Godfrey@...> wrote:
> > From: kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@...>
> > Subject: [SkateFans] Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> > To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself
> > Go" from the Astaire/Rogers
> >
> > movie "Follow the Fleet"
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=tymopw4nP64>
> >
> >
> >
> > The original from the movie:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ginger sings it:
> >
> > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xU6DAECGiQw>
> >
> >
> >
> > And hoofs it with Fred:
> >
> > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=y1FjlVsZ- mk>
> >
> >
> >
> > >>Kathy Godfrey
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> > Messages in this topic (4)
> >
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> > 5c. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     Posted by: "herios" herios@... herios
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:43 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Alison Cook
> > <alisoncook@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it okay to admit that I had a lot of fun watching
> > this? 
> > Fun...ice dancing.  Fancy that.
> > >
> > > Alison C.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes it is, and I second that, very cool! polished and fun!
> >
> > Thanks Kathy
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, kgorkrj
> > <Kathy.Godfrey@> wrote:
> > > From: kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@>
> > > Subject: [SkateFans] Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates
> > OD
> > > To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:46 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >             Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself
> > Go" from the
> > Astaire/Rogers
> > >
> > > movie "Follow the Fleet"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=tymopw4nP64>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The original from the movie:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ginger sings it:
> > >
> > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xU6DAECGiQw>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And hoofs it with Fred:
> > >
> > > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=y1FjlVsZ- mk>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>Kathy Godfrey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > 5d. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> >     Posted by: "Don Winn" dwinn10@...
> > dwinn10
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:03 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > Kathy wrote:
> > >>>Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself
> > Go" from the Astaire/Rogers movie "Follow the
> > Fleet">>>
> >  
> > Thanks for the link!  I'm so blase about skating now
> > that I couldn't get up the interest to search for a
> > clip of their performance on YouTube myself.    They
> > certainly look like a well trained team with:  nice fast
> > twizzles, great unison, good speed, solid footwork,
> > excellent posture, and a high-energy, entertaining
> > program.  Perhaps the lifts could be a little more
> > inventive, but they're still crisply delivered and
> > executed..  They also have presence on the ice and appear
> > well matched, in terms of height and skills.  All in all,
> > another promising, young team for the US!
> >  
> > don
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> >
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> >
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> > 6a. New Articles
> >     Posted by: "Alexandra Damman"
> > dralexd@... dralexd
> >     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:34 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > Patrick Chan - fall goal is two 3As in LP, maybe quad in
> > January
> >
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081030.SKATECHAN30/TPStory/Sp\
orts
> >
> > Galit Chait and Zaretskis sue Ice House in Hackensack, NJ
> > for anti-Israeli discrimination
> >
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/exolympic_skater_students_file.html
> >
> > Liz Manley update
> >
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2008/10/29/7235441-sun.html
> >
> > Lots of stuff from IceNetwork - skaters' Halloween
> > costumes, Katrina Hacker, and Jenny Kirk
> >
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081030&content_id=54552&vkey=ic\
e_news
> > John Zimmerman does Russian Stars on Ice (skating with
> > celebrities) and may skate with Yelena Berezhnaya in
> > exhibitions
> >
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081030&content_id=54548&vkey=ic\
e_news
> >
> > Post Skate-America interview with Kozuka and Yuka Sato
> > Also from interview - Jef Billings (costume designer) had
> > heart surgery
> >
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081029&content_id=54539&vkey=ic\
e_news
> >
> > Nancy Kerrigan receives award
> >
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081029&content_id=54534&vkey=ic\
e_news
> >
> > 2010 Vancouver mascots
> >
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081028&content_id=54476&vkey=ic\
e_news
> >
> >
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I am a total lurker so I don't know how to give the Url, but on YouTube, there
is a clip of the Kerrs at the Skate America Gala.  She lifts him, twice!  Then
John does a short man/man "pairs" spot with guess who?
The male gold medalist!  John lifts and throws him!  I can't believe no one has
seen this;  it is so cute.


--- On Fri, 10/31/08, SkateFans@yahoogroups.com <SkateFans@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

> From: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com <SkateFans@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [SkateFans] Digest Number 10421
> To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 1:29 AM
> There are 13 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1a. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     From: capcomgr
> 1b. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     From: herios
> 1c. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     From: capcomgr
> 1d. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     From: capcomgr
>
> 2a. Re: Downgraded jumps
>     From: capcomgr
> 2b. Re: Downgraded jumps
>     From: Ben Currie
>
> 3.1. Upcoming skating on US TV
>     From: Kathy Godfrey
>
> 4a. Re: Skate America Men's FP Spoilers - First Group
>
>     From: herios
>
> 5a. Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     From: kgorkrj
> 5b. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     From: Alison Cook
> 5c. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     From: herios
> 5d. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     From: Don Winn
>
> 6a. New Articles
>     From: Alexandra Damman
>
>
> Messages
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1a. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> capcomgr
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:16 am ((PDT))
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie"
> <ncurrie40@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim isn't
> that great a great skater
> at
> > > all. She's merely riding on the reputation of
> her incredible
> coach. ;-
> > )
> > > Trudi
> >
> > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend the
> pupil of her world
> > famous coach.
> >
> > But I thought it was all ice they were skating on,
> little did I
> know it
> > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> >
> > <<GG>>
> >
> > Ben Currie
> >
> > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I
> don't like about
> her,
> > and often thought overcame the great one himself.
> I remember when skaters actually skated as if the music
> playing
> around them had some connection to what they were doing.
> Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't complete
> choreographical
> moves and drops all pretense of posture and character when
> approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice height and
> great air
> position, but a artisitc interpreter of music, well...
> I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't find her
> on
> YouTube...anybody got any hints?
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (11)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1b. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     Posted by: "herios" herios@... herios
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:01 am ((PDT))
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr"
> <capcomop@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben
> Currie" <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim
> isn't that great a great
> skater
> > at
> > > > all. She's merely riding on the
> reputation of her incredible
> > coach. ;-
> > > )
> > > > Trudi
> > >
> > > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend
> the pupil of her
> world
> > > famous coach.
> > >
> > > But I thought it was all ice they were skating
> on, little did I
> > know it
> > > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> > >
> > > <<GG>>
> > >
> > > Ben Currie
> > >
> > > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I
> don't like about
> > her,
> > > and often thought overcame the great one himself.
> > I remember when skaters actually skated as if the
> music playing
> > around them had some connection to what they were
> doing.
> > Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't complete
> choreographical
> > moves and drops all pretense of posture and character
> when
> > approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice
> height and great
> air
> > position, but a artisitc interpreter of music, well...
> > I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't find
> her on
> > YouTube...anybody got any hints?
> >
>
>
> You just have to ask:)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrVvs7OWA
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (11)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1c. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> capcomgr
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:25 am ((PDT))
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "herios"
> <herios@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr"
> <capcomop@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben
> Currie" <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com,
> trudee44081@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim
> isn't that great a great
> > skater
> > > at
> > > > > all. She's merely riding on the
> reputation of her incredible
> > > coach. ;-
> > > > )
> > > > > Trudi
> > > >
> > > > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would
> defend the pupil of her
> > world
> > > > famous coach.
> > > >
> > > > But I thought it was all ice they were
> skating on, little did I
> > > know it
> > > > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> > > >
> > > > <<GG>>
> > > >
> > > > Ben Currie
> > > >
> > > > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness
> I don't like about
> > > her,
> > > > and often thought overcame the great one
> himself.
> > > I remember when skaters actually skated as if the
> music playing
> > > around them had some connection to what they were
> doing.
> > > Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't
> complete choreographical
> > > moves and drops all pretense of posture and
> character when
> > > approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice
> height and great
> > air
> > > position, but a artisitc interpreter of music,
> well...
> > > I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't
> find her on
> > > YouTube...anybody got any hints?
> > >
> >
> >
> > You just have to ask:)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrVvs7OWA
> >
> > Joseph
> You are too kind! Thank you. She has grown a bit,
> physically that is.
> Her jumps seem to be in an "adjustment" phase.
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (11)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1d. Re: Marks/Comments __Ladies SP
>     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> capcomgr
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:57 pm ((PDT))
>
> SNIP
> > The American girls went clean. The only placement you
> can
> reasonably
> > argue about, and I did so for a while, is whether the
> Ando fall is
> > insignificant and so she should be first given her
> terrific jumping
> > passes ... but the program withered down ... and she
> got a deserved
> > artistic deduction for FRONT LOADING THE 3 jumping
> passes, 1,2,3 in
> > the program which should be illegal or otherwise
> penalized as the
> > quintesential UNBALANCED routine ... There I've
> said it. (Also,
> > unaccountably, Meissner skated with the better speed
> and command of
> > the group -- how odd is that?)
> >
> > Ben Currie
> >
> > It is as simple as that.
> The USFSA has the planned element sheets up for
> SkateCanada. Front
> loading is common, with almost half the girls doing the
> jumps
> elements 1,2,3 including Zhang. All but one of the rest are
> doing
> 1,2,4 or 1,2,5. Only one skater is not keeping to one of
> these
> patterns and is, in fact, the only skater not using a jump
> for her
> first element, Liang! Her jumps are 2,5,7 out of the eight
> listed
> elements giving her, in my opinion, the best planned
> balanced SP>
>
> My favorite listed element...*** **** Element Not Found!
> ****
> I didn't know the judges had that button, but it
> explains SOOOO very
> much :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (11)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 2a. Re: Downgraded jumps
>     Posted by: "capcomgr" capcomop@...
> capcomgr
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:41 am ((PDT))
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie"
> <ncurrie40@...> wrote:
> >
> > There is person or person on U-Tube who are obsessed
> with Yu-na
> > Kim's "lip"
> and supposed under-rotation of her TT on the backend of her
>
> > Flip/TT combo.
>
> I didn't bother with the under-rotation bit, but the
> "lip" video is
> pretty funny! Nothing like using the ISU's own
> technical video to
> show how a skater does exactly the WRONG thing.
> Having thought the TT was a DT on first glace, I can
> > attest that the combo has no technical problems worth
> making a U-
> tube
> > video to demonstrate.
> >
> > On the other hand, I am still surprized at the
> down-grading
> reported on
> > Ando's Lutz/Loop combo in her short ....
> Flatt's Flip/Loop is
> little
> > closer to be short of rotation, but she still makes it
> 2 and three-
> > quarters around ....
> >
> > U-tube vids are notoriously of poor quality, perhaps a
> perfect vid
> > would show otherwise. I doubt it ....
> >
> > Ben Currie
> >
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (3)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 2b. Re: Downgraded jumps
>     Posted by: "Ben Currie" ncurrie40@...
> ncurrie40
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:01 pm ((PDT))
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr"
> <capcomop@...> wrote:
>
> > Re: U-Yube obsessive re: alleged "lip" by
> Yu-na Kim __
>
> > I didn't bother with the under-rotation bit [re:
> Yu-na Kim, and an
> obsessive anti-fan], but the "lip" video is
> pretty funny! Nothing
> like using the ISU's own technical video to  show how a
> skater does
> exactly the WRONG thing.
>
>
> The "lip" freaks me out.  The essential complaint
> is that the "perp"
> is doing a HARDER jump than a Flip, a much harder jump in
> fact, and
> thus should be penalized for doing a harder trick.
>
> Actually, the Yu-na "lip" vid illustrates my
> [bothersome] point that
> toe jumps almost always leave the ice ambiguously ---
> usually off the
> forward part of blade that doesn't even have an edge OR
> off what for
> all intents and purposes is a "FLAT" -- that
> "part" of the blade
> between the inside and outside edge.
>
> Dick Button complains when the INSIDE edge in the Flip
> preparation is
> on too deep of a curvy edge ... he likes them to basically
> go
> straight down the ice before the toe-in .... that's cuz
> turning the
> three-turn and gliding straight back down the ice is harder
> than
> doing the three-turn and continuing on the inside curvy
> edge.
>
> And that's why Weir's mohawk to the back inside
> edge as his prep for
> his Flip never quite works so hot, cuz it is not a strong
> "checked"
> position after a strong three-turn.  But everybody had a
> bugaboo
> jump ... How many times did we see Todd save that blown
> salchow take
> off?
>
> Ben Currie
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (3)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 3.1. Upcoming skating on US TV
>     Posted by: "Kathy Godfrey"
> Kathy.Godfrey@... kgorkrj
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:10 pm ((PDT))
>
> Taken from Titan TV for the week of Sat.11/1/08 through
> Fri.11/7/08.
>
> All times Eastern; please doublecheck your local listings.
>
> Fri  Oct  31  Skating for Life                        Style
> 10 a.m.-noon EDT
>               [Bloomington, IL  10/15/08] [repeat from NBC
> 10/25/08]
> Sat  Nov  1   "Made" w/ figure skater Whitney Jo
>     MTV 6-7 a.m. EDT
>               [repeat from 10/5/08]
> Sat  Nov  1   "Ice Princess" (2005 movie)
>    ABCFamily
> 12:30-2:30 p.m. EDT
>               (cast includes Kwan, Boitano, and Juliana
> Cannarozzo)
> Sat  Nov  1   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S.
> Hamilton) MoreMax
> 7:20-9:00 p.m. EDT
> ---------------daylight saving time ends 11/2: turn clocks
> back an hour-----
> Sun  Nov  2   Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons Tribute on
> Ice  NBC
> 4-6 p.m. EST
>               [Chicago, IL, 10/25/08]
> Thu  Nov  6  "Impact: Stories of Survival"
> (includes Paul Binnebose)
> DiscoveryHealth 5-6 a.m. EDT
>                "Martial Artist on Fire" [repeat
> from 4/9/04]
> Fri  Nov  7   "Today" with Kristi Yamaguchi
>           NBC 7-11 a.m. EST
> Fri  Nov  7   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S.
> Hamilton) MoreMax
> 10-11:45 a.m. EST
> Sat  Nov  8   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S.
> Hamilton) MoreMax
> 1:30-3:15 a.m. EST
> Sat  Nov  8   Kristi Yamaguchi Friends and Family     NBC
> 4-6 p.m. EST
>               [Phoenix, AZ  10/12/08]
>
> >>Kathy Godfrey
>
>
> Messages in this topic (838)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 4a. Re: Skate America Men's FP Spoilers - First Group
>     Posted by: "herios" herios@... herios
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:42 pm ((PDT))
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Alexandra Damman
> <dralexd@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Shawn Sawyer - Amadeus in black
> > False music start.  3F-3T, 3A (2ft), 3Lz (hand),
> flying camel-bent-
> catch spin, great circular step sequence full of position
> changes
> appropriate to music, split-3lp, 2A-3T, 3F, 2A, straight
> line step
> sequence, 3S-2T-2T, camel-bent-chg-camel-catch spin, combo
> spin.  He
> looks like he’s having a good time, and this is a
> good program for
> him - restrained drama.  I would love to see this program
> skated
> cleanly.
>
>
> That is unlikely to happen. Unfortunately, Shawn developed
> a habit
> to two foot his 3 axel, I keep seeing this in the last 5
> years or
> so...
> I was wondering why some great technicians in the Canadian
> team
> don't help him to correct this flaw which holds him
> back!
> The response came this past week end from Kurt
> Browning...He and
> Brian Orser toured with Shawn and they tried to teach him
> how to
> push through his triple axel as became so obvious for
> everyone, but
> he doesn't get enough elevation and as he knows that,
> he will try to
> rotate faster than he should and that speed actually brings
> the jump
> down earlier. He has a big chance this year to get back on
> the team
> with Buttle retired and Mabee taking the year off, but I am
>
> skeptical I will see him correcting his axel
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
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> 5a. Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     Posted by: "kgorkrj" Kathy.Godfrey@...
> kgorkrj
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:46 pm ((PDT))
>
> Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself Go" from the
> Astaire/Rogers
> movie "Follow the Fleet"
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymopw4nP64>
>
> The original from the movie:
>
> Ginger sings it:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6DAECGiQw>
>
> And hoofs it with Fred:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1FjlVsZ-mk>
>
> >>Kathy Godfrey
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> 5b. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     Posted by: "Alison Cook"
> alisoncook@...
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:28 pm ((PDT))
>
> Is it okay to admit that I had a lot of fun watching
> this?  Fun...ice dancing.  Fancy that.
>
> Alison C.
>
> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, kgorkrj
> <Kathy.Godfrey@...> wrote:
> From: kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@...>
> Subject: [SkateFans] Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:46 PM
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> <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=tymopw4nP64>
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>
> The original from the movie:
>
>
>
> Ginger sings it:
>
> <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xU6DAECGiQw>
>
>
>
> And hoofs it with Fred:
>
> <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=y1FjlVsZ- mk>
>
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> >>Kathy Godfrey
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> 5c. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     Posted by: "herios" herios@... herios
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:43 pm ((PDT))
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Alison Cook
> <alisoncook@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is it okay to admit that I had a lot of fun watching
> this? 
> Fun...ice dancing.  Fancy that.
> >
> > Alison C.
> >
>
>
> Yes it is, and I second that, very cool! polished and fun!
>
> Thanks Kathy
>
> Joseph
>
> > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, kgorkrj
> <Kathy.Godfrey@...> wrote:
> > From: kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@...>
> > Subject: [SkateFans] Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates
> OD
> > To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:46 PM
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> > Ginger sings it:
> >
> > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xU6DAECGiQw>
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> 5d. Re: Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
>     Posted by: "Don Winn" dwinn10@...
> dwinn10
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:03 pm ((PDT))
>
> Kathy wrote:
> >>>Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself
> Go" from the Astaire/Rogers movie "Follow the
> Fleet">>>
>  
> Thanks for the link!  I'm so blase about skating now
> that I couldn't get up the interest to search for a
> clip of their performance on YouTube myself.    They
> certainly look like a well trained team with:  nice fast
> twizzles, great unison, good speed, solid footwork,
> excellent posture, and a high-energy, entertaining
> program.  Perhaps the lifts could be a little more
> inventive, but they're still crisply delivered and
> executed..  They also have presence on the ice and appear
> well matched, in terms of height and skills.  All in all,
> another promising, young team for the US!
>  
> don
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
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> 6a. New Articles
>     Posted by: "Alexandra Damman"
> dralexd@... dralexd
>     Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:34 pm ((PDT))
>
> Patrick Chan - fall goal is two 3As in LP, maybe quad in
> January
>
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081030.SKATECHAN30/TPStory/Sp\
orts
>
> Galit Chait and Zaretskis sue Ice House in Hackensack, NJ
> for anti-Israeli discrimination
> http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/exolympic_skater_students_file.html
>
> Liz Manley update
> http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2008/10/29/7235441-sun.html
>
> Lots of stuff from IceNetwork - skaters' Halloween
> costumes, Katrina Hacker, and Jenny Kirk
>
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081030&content_id=54552&vkey=ic\
e_news
> John Zimmerman does Russian Stars on Ice (skating with
> celebrities) and may skate with Yelena Berezhnaya in
> exhibitions
>
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081030&content_id=54548&vkey=ic\
e_news
>
> Post Skate-America interview with Kozuka and Yuka Sato
> Also from interview - Jef Billings (costume designer) had
> heart surgery
>
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081029&content_id=54539&vkey=ic\
e_news
>
> Nancy Kerrigan receives award
>
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081029&content_id=54534&vkey=ic\
e_news
>
> 2010 Vancouver mascots
>
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081028&content_id=54476&vkey=ic\
e_news
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--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "kgorkrj" <Kathy.Godfrey@...> wrote:
>
> Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself Go" from the Astaire/Rogers
> movie "Follow the Fleet"
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymopw4nP64>

Things have certainly deteriorated in ice dancing if this program is
the best smile we get out of SA.  It is so reminiscent of
Lang&Thcernyshev --- like a "mini them" version of Naomi&Petr. It
does have one very very good thing --- they kept up the pace
and "into-the-ice-ness" of the routine ... so even though its
derivative quality bugged me, it eventually began to charm ... but
the quality of the unison and inventiveness of the steps is not good
enough (or maybe I mean shouldn't be good enough) to get us all
dancing down the street and breaking out into "I could Have Danced
All Night.,," or "ive got a wonderful feeling, everthings going my
way."

I no longer keep the necessary high-heels in my closet for this type
of thing, but I know others are better prepared should a good ice
dance routine present itself <GG>

Ben Currie, who I know, I know, has disappointed any number of
people, by not being carried away by the cute guy in the sailor suit.
<GG>

Patrick Chan - fall goal is two 3As in LP, maybe quad in January
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081030.SKATECHAN30/TPStory/Sp\
orts

Galit Chait and Zaretskis sue Ice House in Hackensack, NJ for anti-Israeli
discrimination
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/exolympic_skater_students_file.html

Liz Manley update
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2008/10/29/7235441-sun.html

Lots of stuff from IceNetwork - skaters' Halloween costumes, Katrina Hacker, and
Jenny Kirk
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081030&content_id=54552&vkey=ic\
e_news
John Zimmerman does Russian Stars on Ice (skating with celebrities) and may
skate with Yelena Berezhnaya in exhibitions
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081030&content_id=54548&vkey=ic\
e_news

Post Skate-America interview with Kozuka and Yuka Sato
Also from interview - Jef Billings (costume designer) had heart surgery
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081029&content_id=54539&vkey=ic\
e_news

Nancy Kerrigan receives award
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081029&content_id=54534&vkey=ic\
e_news

2010 Vancouver mascots
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081028&content_id=54476&vkey=ic\
e_news

Kathy wrote:
>>>Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself Go" from the Astaire/Rogers movie "Follow
the Fleet">>>
 
Thanks for the link!  I'm so blase about skating now that I couldn't get up
the interest to search for a clip of their performance on YouTube myself.   
They certainly look like a well trained team with:  nice fast twizzles, great
unison, good speed, solid footwork, excellent posture, and a high-energy,
entertaining program.  Perhaps the lifts could be a little more inventive, but
they're still crisply delivered and executed..  They also have presence on the
ice and appear well matched, in terms of height and skills.  All in all, another
promising, young team for the US!
 
don






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--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Alison Cook <alisoncook@...> wrote:
>
> Is it okay to admit that I had a lot of fun watching this? 
Fun...ice dancing.  Fancy that.
>
> Alison C.
>


Yes it is, and I second that, very cool! polished and fun!

Thanks Kathy

Joseph

> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@...> wrote:
> From: kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@...>
> Subject: [SkateFans] Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
> To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:46 PM
>
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>             Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself Go" from the
Astaire/Rogers
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> movie "Follow the Fleet"
>
>
>
> <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=tymopw4nP64>
>
>
>
> The original from the movie:
>
>
>
> Ginger sings it:
>
> <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xU6DAECGiQw>
>
>
>
> And hoofs it with Fred:
>
> <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=y1FjlVsZ- mk>
>
>
>
> >>Kathy Godfrey
>
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Is it okay to admit that I had a lot of fun watching this?  Fun...ice dancing. 
Fancy that.

Alison C.

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@...> wrote:
From: kgorkrj <Kathy.Godfrey@...>
Subject: [SkateFans] Skate America -- Samuelson/Bates OD
To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:46 PM











             Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself Go" from the Astaire/Rogers

movie "Follow the Fleet"



<http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=tymopw4nP64>



The original from the movie:



Ginger sings it:

<http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=xU6DAECGiQw>



And hoofs it with Fred:

<http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=y1FjlVsZ- mk>



>>Kathy Godfrey


























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Samuelson/Bates OD to "Let Yourself Go" from the Astaire/Rogers
movie "Follow the Fleet"

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymopw4nP64>

The original from the movie:

Ginger sings it:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6DAECGiQw>

And hoofs it with Fred:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1FjlVsZ-mk>

>>Kathy Godfrey

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Alexandra Damman <dralexd@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Shawn Sawyer - Amadeus in black
> False music start.  3F-3T, 3A (2ft), 3Lz (hand), flying camel-bent-
catch spin, great circular step sequence full of position changes
appropriate to music, split-3lp, 2A-3T, 3F, 2A, straight line step
sequence, 3S-2T-2T, camel-bent-chg-camel-catch spin, combo spin.  He
looks like he’s having a good time, and this is a good program for
him - restrained drama.  I would love to see this program skated
cleanly.


That is unlikely to happen. Unfortunately, Shawn developed a habit
to two foot his 3 axel, I keep seeing this in the last 5 years or
so...
I was wondering why some great technicians in the Canadian team
don't help him to correct this flaw which holds him back!
The response came this past week end from Kurt Browning...He and
Brian Orser toured with Shawn and they tried to teach him how to
push through his triple axel as became so obvious for everyone, but
he doesn't get enough elevation and as he knows that, he will try to
rotate faster than he should and that speed actually brings the jump
down earlier. He has a big chance this year to get back on the team
with Buttle retired and Mabee taking the year off, but I am
skeptical I will see him correcting his axel

Joseph

Taken from Titan TV for the week of Sat.11/1/08 through Fri.11/7/08.

All times Eastern; please doublecheck your local listings.

Fri  Oct  31  Skating for Life                        Style 10 a.m.-noon EDT
               [Bloomington, IL  10/15/08] [repeat from NBC 10/25/08]
Sat  Nov  1   "Made" w/ figure skater Whitney Jo      MTV 6-7 a.m. EDT
               [repeat from 10/5/08]
Sat  Nov  1   "Ice Princess" (2005 movie)            ABCFamily
12:30-2:30 p.m. EDT
               (cast includes Kwan, Boitano, and Juliana Cannarozzo)
Sat  Nov  1   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S. Hamilton) MoreMax
7:20-9:00 p.m. EDT
---------------daylight saving time ends 11/2: turn clocks back an hour-----
Sun  Nov  2   Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons Tribute on Ice  NBC
4-6 p.m. EST
               [Chicago, IL, 10/25/08]
Thu  Nov  6  "Impact: Stories of Survival" (includes Paul Binnebose)
DiscoveryHealth 5-6 a.m. EDT
                "Martial Artist on Fire" [repeat from 4/9/04]
Fri  Nov  7   "Today" with Kristi Yamaguchi                 NBC 7-11 a.m. EST
Fri  Nov  7   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S. Hamilton) MoreMax
10-11:45 a.m. EST
Sat  Nov  8   "Blades of Glory" (2007 movie w/ S. Hamilton) MoreMax
1:30-3:15 a.m. EST
Sat  Nov  8   Kristi Yamaguchi Friends and Family     NBC 4-6 p.m. EST
               [Phoenix, AZ  10/12/08]

>>Kathy Godfrey

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr" <capcomop@...> wrote:

> Re: U-Yube obsessive re: alleged "lip" by Yu-na Kim __

> I didn't bother with the under-rotation bit [re: Yu-na Kim, and an
obsessive anti-fan], but the "lip" video is  pretty funny! Nothing
like using the ISU's own technical video to  show how a skater does
exactly the WRONG thing.


The "lip" freaks me out.  The essential complaint is that the "perp"
is doing a HARDER jump than a Flip, a much harder jump in fact, and
thus should be penalized for doing a harder trick.

Actually, the Yu-na "lip" vid illustrates my [bothersome] point that
toe jumps almost always leave the ice ambiguously --- usually off the
forward part of blade that doesn't even have an edge OR off what for
all intents and purposes is a "FLAT" -- that "part" of the blade
between the inside and outside edge.

Dick Button complains when the INSIDE edge in the Flip preparation is
on too deep of a curvy edge ... he likes them to basically go
straight down the ice before the toe-in .... that's cuz turning the
three-turn and gliding straight back down the ice is harder than
doing the three-turn and continuing on the inside curvy edge.

And that's why Weir's mohawk to the back inside edge as his prep for
his Flip never quite works so hot, cuz it is not a strong "checked"
position after a strong three-turn.  But everybody had a bugaboo
jump ... How many times did we see Todd save that blown salchow take
off?

Ben Currie

SNIP
> The American girls went clean. The only placement you can
reasonably
> argue about, and I did so for a while, is whether the Ando fall is
> insignificant and so she should be first given her terrific jumping
> passes ... but the program withered down ... and she got a deserved
> artistic deduction for FRONT LOADING THE 3 jumping passes, 1,2,3 in
> the program which should be illegal or otherwise penalized as the
> quintesential UNBALANCED routine ... There I've said it. (Also,
> unaccountably, Meissner skated with the better speed and command of
> the group -- how odd is that?)
>
> Ben Currie
>
> It is as simple as that.
The USFSA has the planned element sheets up for SkateCanada. Front
loading is common, with almost half the girls doing the jumps
elements 1,2,3 including Zhang. All but one of the rest are doing
1,2,4 or 1,2,5. Only one skater is not keeping to one of these
patterns and is, in fact, the only skater not using a jump for her
first element, Liang! Her jumps are 2,5,7 out of the eight listed
elements giving her, in my opinion, the best planned balanced SP>

My favorite listed element...*** **** Element Not Found! ****
I didn't know the judges had that button, but it explains SOOOO very
much :-)

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie" <ncurrie40@...> wrote:
>
> There is person or person on U-Tube who are obsessed with Yu-na
> Kim's "lip"
and supposed under-rotation of her TT on the backend of her
> Flip/TT combo.

I didn't bother with the under-rotation bit, but the "lip" video is
pretty funny! Nothing like using the ISU's own technical video to
show how a skater does exactly the WRONG thing.
Having thought the TT was a DT on first glace, I can
> attest that the combo has no technical problems worth making a U-
tube
> video to demonstrate.
>
> On the other hand, I am still surprized at the down-grading
reported on
> Ando's Lutz/Loop combo in her short .... Flatt's Flip/Loop is
little
> closer to be short of rotation, but she still makes it 2 and three-
> quarters around ....
>
> U-tube vids are notoriously of poor quality, perhaps a perfect vid
> would show otherwise. I doubt it ....
>
> Ben Currie
>

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "herios" <herios@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr" <capcomop@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie" <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim isn't that great a great
> skater
> > at
> > > > all. She's merely riding on the reputation of her incredible
> > coach. ;-
> > > )
> > > > Trudi
> > >
> > > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend the pupil of her
> world
> > > famous coach.
> > >
> > > But I thought it was all ice they were skating on, little did I
> > know it
> > > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> > >
> > > <<GG>>
> > >
> > > Ben Currie
> > >
> > > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I don't like about
> > her,
> > > and often thought overcame the great one himself.
> > I remember when skaters actually skated as if the music playing
> > around them had some connection to what they were doing.
> > Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't complete choreographical
> > moves and drops all pretense of posture and character when
> > approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice height and great
> air
> > position, but a artisitc interpreter of music, well...
> > I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't find her on
> > YouTube...anybody got any hints?
> >
>
>
> You just have to ask:)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrVvs7OWA
>
> Joseph
You are too kind! Thank you. She has grown a bit, physically that is.
Her jumps seem to be in an "adjustment" phase.

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "capcomgr" <capcomop@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie" <ncurrie40@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim isn't that great a great
skater
> at
> > > all. She's merely riding on the reputation of her incredible
> coach. ;-
> > )
> > > Trudi
> >
> > I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend the pupil of her
world
> > famous coach.
> >
> > But I thought it was all ice they were skating on, little did I
> know it
> > was in fact water some of them walk on.
> >
> > <<GG>>
> >
> > Ben Currie
> >
> > PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I don't like about
> her,
> > and often thought overcame the great one himself.
> I remember when skaters actually skated as if the music playing
> around them had some connection to what they were doing.
> Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't complete choreographical
> moves and drops all pretense of posture and character when
> approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice height and great
air
> position, but a artisitc interpreter of music, well...
> I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't find her on
> YouTube...anybody got any hints?
>


You just have to ask:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrVvs7OWA

Joseph

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Currie" <ncurrie40@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@ wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim isn't that great a great skater
at
> > all. She's merely riding on the reputation of her incredible
coach. ;-
> )
> > Trudi
>
> I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend the pupil of her world
> famous coach.
>
> But I thought it was all ice they were skating on, little did I
know it
> was in fact water some of them walk on.
>
> <<GG>>
>
> Ben Currie
>
> PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I don't like about
her,
> and often thought overcame the great one himself.
I remember when skaters actually skated as if the music playing
around them had some connection to what they were doing.
Blah is a good word for her. She doesn't complete choreographical
moves and drops all pretense of posture and character when
approaching a trick. Some of her jumps have nice height and great air
position, but a artisitc interpreter of music, well...
I was hoping to see some of Nagasu but can't find her on
YouTube...anybody got any hints?

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "eaennis" <eaennis@...> wrote:
>
> Quote:
>
> Virtue, 19, is home in London, Ontario, recovering from surgery to
> repair a painful condition in her shins called chronic external
> compartment syndrome. The team has withdrawn from Skate Canada --
next
> week's second ISU Grand Prix event of the season -- and Moir said
> Friday that it's possible the team will cancel its trip next month to
> Japan for the NHK Trophy if Virtue isn't fully recovered.
>
> "January is our main focus right now," he said.
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20081025/SPORTS18/810250369/1048/sports#
>
> Beth
>

Tessa and Scott have been in the studio at the CBC transmission of
Skate America and they stated their priority is Tessa's recovery, so
they won't rush it...smart kids, not just talented:)

And surprise, I found the interview on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_MQ3LopPYo

Joseph

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd@...> wrote:

> > >
> > > Samuelson & Bates FD
> > >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f97or-OOQ-Y&feature=channel

>
> It's official; Speedy and his stupid ideas have finally drained the
last bit of life out of my favorite discipline. > I am sad. > Jeanne

I checked out this young new team. pretty much a Naomi & Petr
retread --- choreographically. Same funny thing with her forward
progressives Naomi had (un-crispy, more running across the ice than
progressing with clarity) But they are young; I imagine they'll give
me some more hcances to get on their bandwagon.  The program is not
in league with the Kerr's and their placing ahead in the FD segment
is absurd.

But back to the end of history -- The Kerrs keep improving.  They
keep taking choreographic chances.  That's about par for course with
the world top ten in any given year.  Also, we do not know if the
young Canadians will be healthy enough or what their material will be
like if they can compete this season.  Similarly, Pechelat&Co. are
capable of choreographic imagination.

That's a world podium I could love with all my heart

1. Virtue & M
2. Kerrs
3. Pechelat

I realise we'll be lucky if they can manage 7th-9th, when the brain-
dead judges imput their numbers into the brain-dead COP system.

On the other hand, unlike the perversity that makes people slow down
and stare at violent traffic accidents, there is no bottom to how bad
ice dancing can get ... ice dancing, uniquely, has no floor beneath
which it cannot fall. <G>

Ben Currie

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@... wrote:

>
> Oh, you're right, Ben. Yu-Na Kim isn't that great a great skater at
> all. She's merely riding on the reputation of her incredible coach. ;-
)
> Trudi

I'm shocked, shocked, that you would defend the pupil of her world
famous coach.

But I thought it was all ice they were skating on, little did I know it
was in fact water some of them walk on.

<<GG>>

Ben Currie

PS: There is a resemblance, a kinda blahness I don't like about her,
and often thought overcame the great one himself.

It's true that top level ladies skaters are more or less limited
to 5'2" and under and about 100lbs.  But NFL offensive lineman
need to be around 6'4" and 315lbs....in both cases genetics
eliminate the vast majority of potential players.


Fred

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ellenarnold
   To: SkateFans@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:04 AM
   Subject: [SkateFans] Re: article on the future of Figure Skating


   --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ruthann Biel" <bielra@...> wrote:
   >
   > Figure Skating: The State of the Sport: Is This Sport Sustainable?
   > *by Jack Curtis*
   >
   >
http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/current/content/the%20state%20of%20the%20sport.ht\
m
   >

   Wow! So many good observations and good lines in this that it's hard to pick a
favorite, but
   maybe this would be it: "Glorifying a tiny genetic minority that can twirl in
the air and
   treating the rest as chopped liver is a selection process, not a productive
way to run a sport."

   Probably my second favorite was the line about the majority of the audience at
figure skating
   events being "the long line of bureaucrats operating the scoring system." ;-)

   Ellen






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--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ruthann Biel" <bielra@...> wrote:
>
> Figure Skating:  The State of the Sport: Is This Sport Sustainable?
> *by Jack Curtis*
>
>
http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/current/content/the%20state%20of%20the%20sport.ht\
m
>

Wow! So many good observations and good lines in this that it's hard to pick a
favorite, but
maybe this would be it: "Glorifying a tiny genetic minority that can twirl in
the air and
treating the rest as chopped liver is a selection process, not a productive way
to run a sport."

Probably my second favorite was the line about the majority of the audience at
figure skating
events being "the long line of bureaucrats operating the scoring system." ;-)


Ellen

--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Susan <smc413@...> wrote:
> For me, far and away the most enjoyable OD to watch was Samuelson and
> Bates.  What a fun number - absolutely in keeping with the character of
> the music from beginning to end.   (Have we ever seen a bad dance to
> anyone using Fred & Ginger music?)
>
> Counted only 2 Boogie Woogie Bugle Boys (both Andrews sisters - thought
> someone would choose Bette Midler).   Once again, Tanith & Ben's
> programs seemed to come from a different planet than the rest of the
> competition.  Everyone else is doing jazz, swing or blues circa
> 1920s-30s-40s dressed at flappers or in WW2 garb, and they come out in
> ballroom attire skating to music that sounded more 1950s.
(Personally I
> hate 1950s music - it is like the Muzak version of 40s swing.)

> Susan McC


I agree completely. Actually, Samuuelson & Bates's OD was the most
enjoyable thing in ALL of SKAM for me. Nothjing else even liike like
freaking skating any more.