--- Fred Goss <ghgang@...> wrote:

> My friend, having worked with me for many years, is
> a casual skating fan.,
> she would know the name of Kwan and maybe Cohen..I
> would doubt many people
> in Falls Church have ever heard of Johnny Weir.
>
> Fred


On the other hand, if they have a good memory and
watched the Olympic Games....

People have heard of him, but one week after the games
he becomes you know that skater kid with the wings.

Maureen,

whose friend in Rostov-on-Don was rooting for Weir to
get silver (plush of course gold) and despite his less
than great skate at the Games still finds him
stunningly lyrical



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Frank Downey wrote:

>>
>>The coach's words resent the situation as being the girl's **fault**
>>when really, it's not more her fault than her partner's.
>>
>>
I know this is a personal soapbox of yours, so you are probably beyond
logic on this point, but yes, if the girl grew then the breakup is most
directly due to that.   The pair no longer worked because something
changed the status quo.  The thing that stayed the same is not the
cause.  The thing that changed caused the status quo to change.   (This
is the root of scientific analysis - constants and variables.  The
constant is never held to be the cause of the changed result, the
variable is the cause.)   If the girls stayed exactly the same size and
the guy put on 20 pounds and could no longer do double axels, then his
growth would be the cause of the change in the status quo.

Susan McC



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At 07:45 PM 4/30/2006, Mary E Tyler wrote:

>Poker is competitive, but I wouldn't consider it a sport... unless it
>was played marathon, endurance style... or you had to push ups or run
>a mile in between hands.

Poker tournaments actually are marathons in the sense that usually
players are playing anywhere between 8-12 hours before a real break.
That doesn't make poker a sport(and even as a poker fan I definitely
don't consider it one).

I was thinking about this today(and to bring this back to skating)
and was thinking about skating vs. dance sport, which there is also a
big argument about whether it is a sport. In skating, you can win
without being artistic( for example plenty of people thought Midori
Ito was un-artistic) but I am not sure you can win at dance sport
without being artistic(or can you? I am not a dancing expert by any means).

Twenty year love affair
Vancouver ice dancers Wing and Lowe hang up the competitive skates
Lyndon Little, Vancouver Sun

http://tinyurl.com/ocv43

The article ends as follows:
<< "We don't know what type of a role we could play in 2010," says
Lowe, who together with his partner recently met in Vancouver with
people associated with Vanoc and various funding groups such as
PacificSport, Legacies Now and Own The Podium. "One way or another
we're going to be part of 2010 -- even if it's just opening and
closing the gate for the skaters during the Olympic competition." >>

--Sylvia

In a message dated 4/29/2006 8:12:34 PM Mountain Standard Time,
ddr874pm@... writes:
Written in news style but with no sourcing... just unsubstantiated rumor and
opinion, with the Opinion thrown in for good measure.  Any fair journalist
puts an opinion separate from any properly sourced news story.
Unfortunately in today's world their is not much premium on fair journalism.

This appears to be just an online blogger with a very biased viewpoint and
an agenda driving it.
----
And we should probably all be happy that the writing is incoherent and
incomprehensible.

      janet


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On 4/30/06, Mary E Tyler <dejahvu@...> wrote:
> >  > Nothing about the boy failing to grow enough, or failing to gain
> >>  enough muscle.
> >
> >Well, the reason for that is right in the next paragraph:
> >
> >....In a sport where girls outnumber boys by as much as 50 to one, the
> >boys usually call the shots. "The boys have the pick of the girls,"
> >Winter says. "Unfortunately, it's a reality in the sport."
>
> He could have easily said:
>         "They grew at different rates."
>         "The lifting to mass ration was out of whack."
>         "They were no longer a good match."
>
> The coach's words resent the situation as being the girl's **fault**
> when really, it's not more her fault than her partner's.

Well, yes, in terms of how it was phrased, you're right.

> Unfortunately, it is the girls **problem** whether it's her fault or
> not. I do think think that the situation could more fairly and less
> masochistically be presented in non-blaming terms. But either way,
> while it might not be the girl's fault, it's still her problem.

Yep.

I've been watching some of my old tapes (as I'm transferring them to
DVD). It's amazing to watch, like, the short programs and original
dances at Nationals 8-10 years ago--the short and OD 'cause that's
where they'd show you 10 or so pairs, so you got deeper into it. And
seeing some of those pairs and dance teams that were finishing 8th or
10th or 12th in 95-96, and seeing how many of them had males that went
on to better things with different partners--and females you never
heard of again.

--Frank

>  > How would you classify target shooting and archery.
>
>According to ESPN, poker is a sport.  If picking up cards from a table is
>considered strenuous physical activity, target shooting and archery are
>definitely sports.

Poker is competitive, but I wouldn't consider it a sport... unless it
was played marathon, endurance style... or you had to push ups or run
a mile in between hands. Gives "Poker Run" (a fun motorcycling game)
a whole new context.

dej
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> How would you classify target shooting and archery.

According to ESPN, poker is a sport.  If picking up cards from a table is
considered strenuous physical activity, target shooting and archery are
definitely sports.

Bubbles
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In a message dated 4/30/2006 5:19:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
burwellm@... writes:

A sport  has to include physical exertion
> for me to consider it a  sport.

How would you classify target shooting and archery.  I  haven't heard of many
people calling for them to be thrown out of the  Olympics.




I've done archery and I can tell you it requires physical exertion.

Joelle


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>  > FWIW, I think all three of those are sports, however, I do not consider
>>  poker a sport.  It's a game.  A sport has to include physical exertion
>>  for me to consider it a sport.
>
>How would you classify target shooting and archery.  I haven't heard of many
>people calling for them to be thrown out of the Olympics.

Last time I shot a bow, which was years ago, I considered it to be
pretty physical. Maybe it's not kinetic, but it sure takes strength,
a steady hand/arm, and a good eye/perception. It's one of those
things that the only person who wouldn't call archery a sport is
someone who hasn't done it.

dej
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----- Original Message -----
From: "bagelpuss1" <bagelpuss1@...>
To: <SkateFans@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: [SkateFans] Re: Is it a sport?


> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, VIKRAM SETHI <vsethi@...> wrote:
>>
>> No, this time the competition under consideration is poker:
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2006-04-27-poker_x.htm
>> USATODAY.com - Sport or not a sport? Pot is split on poker
>>
>> Although the "sportness" of several Olympic sports is called into
>> question (among them, rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and
>> curling), skating is not mentioned at all.  Guess that's progress.
>>
> FWIW, I think all three of those are sports, however, I do not consider
> poker a sport.  It's a game.  A sport has to include physical exertion
> for me to consider it a sport.

How would you classify target shooting and archery.  I haven't heard of many
people calling for them to be thrown out of the Olympics.

Marg

There's a section of the Denver Post/Rocky Mountain News (the major
papers in Denver) called YourHub. Anyone can submit something and the
better-written articles (usually by paid PR people) are then printed
in a special section each Thursday.

There are multiple opportunities for citizen journalism these days.
This Falls Church publication looks like a mismash of a community
paper with citizen journalism.

If you want to write an article about something and get it published,
there are many places these days happy to oblige.

Suzanne

Frank Downey wrote:

>>
>>Nothing about the boy failing to grow enough, or failing to gain
>>enough muscle.
>>
>>
>
>Well, the reason for that is right in the next paragraph:
>
>....In a sport where girls outnumber boys by as much as 50 to one, the
>boys usually call the shots. "The boys have the pick of the girls,"
>Winter says. "Unfortunately, it's a reality in the sport."
>
>
That, plus there is an upper limit on how heavy the lady can be to skate
pairs at a championship level, even if the guy is 6' or more and as
strong as Grinkov or Pelletier.   The gorilla-flea thing didn't come
about by chance or for cosmetic reasons.  There is a delicate balance
between the guy being big and strong enough to heft the lady about,
without getting too bulky to be able to rotate triple jumps himself.

Susan McC


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>  > Nothing about the boy failing to grow enough, or failing to gain
>>  enough muscle.
>
>Well, the reason for that is right in the next paragraph:
>
>....In a sport where girls outnumber boys by as much as 50 to one, the
>boys usually call the shots. "The boys have the pick of the girls,"
>Winter says. "Unfortunately, it's a reality in the sport."

He could have easily said:
	 "They grew at different rates."
	 "The lifting to mass ration was out of whack."
	 "They were no longer a good match."

The coach's words resent the situation as being the girl's **fault**
when really, it's not more her fault than her partner's.

Unfortunately, it is the girls **problem** whether it's her fault or
not. I do think think that the situation could more fairly and less
masochistically be presented in non-blaming terms. But either way,
while it might not be the girl's fault, it's still her problem.

dej
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there was still something there in the deep part of the well, and let
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On 4/29/06, bkostanick0 <barbk978@...> wrote:
> --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, "skatephile22" <Skatephile@...> wrote:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/hjxom
> >
> > Breaking the ice: a mating ritual
> > It's the time of year when skating pairs break up, audition with new
> > partners and pair up again...
> > MARIAN SCOTT, The Gazette
> > Published: Saturday, April 29, 2006
> >> >
>
> And with coaches like this, it is no wonder that so many girls in
> skating develop eating disorders:
>
> "It could be because the girl's too tall now," explains coach Jennifer
> Pregnolato. "It could be because the girl is too fat. It could be
> because they did poorly, or because they don't get along."
>
> Nothing about the boy failing to grow enough, or failing to gain
> enough muscle.

Well, the reason for that is right in the next paragraph:

....In a sport where girls outnumber boys by as much as 50 to one, the
boys usually call the shots. "The boys have the pick of the girls,"
Winter says. "Unfortunately, it's a reality in the sport."


--Frank

> So, point being, is it really all that weird for a liberal
> publication to champion a gay skater?

No, that wouldn't be weird.  In the aftermath of the Olympics, when
all the mainstream press was using over the top language to
criticize Johnny, they were equally sensational, but in the opposite
direction.  Did you notice how many articles said he "stormed" out
of the kiss and cry area, implying he was angry about low scores,
when from his actual quotes, he was relieved not to score lower than
he did?  And also how, after the 'missed bus' comment, they started
speculating on how long it would have taken him to walk the
distance, with the estimated time diminishing with each article--one
writer said half an hour; the next day someone was claiming ten
minutes.  And they were using every synonym of "awful" to describe
his free skate, which was not THAT bad--just not enough to put him
in medal contention.

I hated a lot of the negative press written by the very, very casual
press during the Olympics.  Reading that press led casual "fans" to
write hatemail full of anti-gay slurs to Johnny after the Olympics.

I think there was a window of time after the Olympics when I would
have welcomed a pro-Johnny, anti-bigotry article in the papers.  It
would have been a justified response then.  But this article isn't
really pro-Johnny, anti-bigotry.  It's very strangely done.  Showing
someone apparently giving the bird is not a picture likely to win
sympathy--and photoshopping a shadow in to make something appear
offensive when it isn't is disrespectful.

The ONLY Johnny quotes in the article are old ones in which Johnny
talks about struggling with COP and its effect on his artistry.  The
implication that Johnny should have medaled at the Olympics is
preposterous.  Johnny knows that and his fans know it--liking a
person's personality and skating style isn't equivalent to believing
they never do poorly, or even believing them to be the "best" by all
objective criteria.  You can be the best at certain things without
being the best overall.

This article is also strange because someone truely that interested
in the issue could be expected to do research.  It wouldn't take
that long.  If the author had taken the time to read Johnny's own
evaluation of his performance, he would never have written this.
It's like crying wolf, because there are times when Johnny faces
bigotry, but now is not the time and this is not the story.

On Apr 30, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Mary E Tyler wrote:

>> And none of them would be caught dead writing a simple little story
>> about a local teacher winning a prize. Whereas, the community
>> newspapers I've seen wouldn't be caught dead writing stories about
>> gays
>> or using tabloid tactics to sell themselves.
>>
>> Hence my inability to really categorize this...thing.
>
> I know a lot of people who "want to be writers" who are not
> professionals in any particular sense of the word, don't have
> J-school degrees and start up sites like this that nevertheless
> provide coverage for their communities and even make money. Could be
> part of the blogosphere, could be printed, could even be making
> someone a living.

I'm sure they do. A whole LOT of garbage manages to make money.
>
> Just because it's not mainstream media doesn't mean **no one** takes
> it seriously. I see it all the time... **real** fiction publishers
> don't take SkateFic.com seriously, but readers do. **Real** book
> publishers don't take anyone not in the big 5 seriously, but readers
> don't know the difference between Random House and iUniverse.

Well. I can tell the difference between a book that's been edited and a
book that hasn't. Of course, with the sloppy job some of the big houses
are doing nowadays, it's getting harder and harder to tell the
difference.
>
> Maybe it's a silly story in a silly newspaper, but the implicit
> putdown is inaccurate. Readers don't make the same distinctions that
> people in the industry do.

Doesn't anyone make the distinction between work that is good and work
that is bad? I'm sorry, I can't help it--I do. And I judge it not by
the number of J-school degrees anyone has, so please don't call me a
snob (I have seen some crappy stuff come out of J-school too). I judge
it by whether or not it's GOOD. This is not GOOD.
>
> Ob skating: is it any different with skating spectators? The judges
> (publishers) think one way. The rabid/educated fans ("real"
> journalists and editors) sometimes think a different way, but the
> vast mass of spectators neither know, nor care, what either of the
> others think. They are perfectly capable of thinking on their own.
>
> dej

And I say you're accusing some people of elitism simply because they
have positions as "gatekeepers" to certain levels of status in a given
profession, while implying that "the common folks know what they like,
and whatever they like is what is best." At least that's what you seem
to be saying.

Well, it may sell, but that doesn't always make it best. Sorry, but
that's how I see it. And I don't consider myself elitist. I like and
read a wide variety of things--from serious nonfiction to pop
fiction--and I like and watch a wide variety of skaters. But the things
I enjoy each meet a standard of quality--whatever that standard may be.
And to me, this paper doesn't meet that standard of quality. Because
one basic standard I would ask of any paper is that it CITE SOME
SOURCES on which its opinionizing is based, and mark it "editorial" as
well. You don't need a J-school degree to do that. People were doing
that before there were J-schools--back when everyone got into
journalism simply by doing it, and the only degrees were from the
school of the street.

ObSkating: Surya Bonaly is very popular. Was she ever the world's
greatest figure skater? I don't think so.

Trudi

On Apr 30, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Suzanne Lainson wrote:

>
> I just looked at the paper. The other stories are of legitimate
> community interest. The article about the teacher is is about her
> being inducted into the National Teacher's Hall of Fame, which is
> pretty impressive.

Not saying it isn't; it's just so...amateurish. I don't know how to put
it into words, except to say that the story has no life.
>
> It looks like the skating article is the local equivalent of the New
> York Daily New's Page Six. It appears to be a local writer's attempt
> at a gossip column. Not really in keeping with a local paper, but
> again, it seems to be along the lines of a Page Six, so something
> like this isn't without precedent.

But...WEIRD. And...amateurish.

Trudi

>This is pretty weird. If it were the "community paper"
>from Dupont Circle, which has a very visible gay community, I could
>see something like this being written to appeal to a political
>interest. Falls Church is sorta like where I live, a close-in suburb
>with skyrocketing housing prices; trending liberal; very Yuppie.

How weird is it really? "Trendy liberal, very Yuppie" sounds very
much like the portion of the non-gay community which supports gay
rights. A decade ago, if you supported gay rights, it MUST be because
you're gay. And yes, some people still have that attitude. The
mailings I get from the gay-activist organization I belong to
addresses me as if it assumes that I'm gay. Except I'm not. I'm a
straight person who supports gay rights because I believe it's a
human rights and equality issue.

So, point being, is it really all that weird for a liberal
publication to champion a gay skater?

dej
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--- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Lainson <slainson@...> wrote:
>
>
> I just looked at the paper. The other stories are of legitimate
> community interest. The article about the teacher is is about her
> being inducted into the National Teacher's Hall of Fame, which is
> pretty impressive.
>
> It looks like the skating article is the local equivalent of the New
> York Daily New's Page Six. It appears to be a local writer's attempt
> at a gossip column. Not really in keeping with a local paper, but
> again, it seems to be along the lines of a Page Six, so something
> like this isn't without precedent.
>
> Suzanne
>
I can't access my subscription media database from home but I'll check
it tomorrow. This is pretty weird. If it were the "community paper"
from Dupont Circle, which has a very visible gay community, I could
see something like this being written to appeal to a political
interest. Falls Church is sorta like where I live, a close-in suburb
with skyrocketing housing prices; trending liberal; very Yuppie.

Naomi

>And none of them would be caught dead writing a simple little story
>about a local teacher winning a prize. Whereas, the community
>newspapers I've seen wouldn't be caught dead writing stories about gays
>or using tabloid tactics to sell themselves.
>
>Hence my inability to really categorize this...thing.

I know a lot of people who "want to be writers" who are not
professionals in any particular sense of the word, don't have
J-school degrees and start up sites like this that nevertheless
provide coverage for their communities and even make money. Could be
part of the blogosphere, could be printed, could even be making
someone a living.

Just because it's not mainstream media doesn't mean **no one** takes
it seriously. I see it all the time... **real** fiction publishers
don't take SkateFic.com seriously, but readers do. **Real** book
publishers don't take anyone not in the big 5 seriously, but readers
don't know the difference between Random House and iUniverse.

Maybe it's a silly story in a silly newspaper, but the implicit
putdown is inaccurate. Readers don't make the same distinctions that
people in the industry do.

Ob skating: is it any different with skating spectators? The judges
(publishers) think one way. The rabid/educated fans ("real"
journalists and editors) sometimes think a different way, but the
vast mass of spectators neither know, nor care, what either of the
others think. They are perfectly capable of thinking on their own.

dej
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I just looked at the paper. The other stories are of legitimate
community interest. The article about the teacher is is about her
being inducted into the National Teacher's Hall of Fame, which is
pretty impressive.

It looks like the skating article is the local equivalent of the New
York Daily New's Page Six. It appears to be a local writer's attempt
at a gossip column. Not really in keeping with a local paper, but
again, it seems to be along the lines of a Page Six, so something
like this isn't without precedent.

Suzanne

On Apr 29, 2006, at 9:41 PM, Mary E Tyler wrote:

>> Don't know, Sharon, but this whole newspaper seems quite amateurish.
>> They don't seem to know, for one thing, what constitutes "news" and
>> what constitutes "editorial." That's my impression just from looking
>> over the whole thing. They seem to be one of those small town papers
>> that exists on the fringe.
>
> Community Newspapers is what they are called. Unfortunately, a LOT of
> people put a fair amount of stock in what's said by community papers.
>
> dej

I've *heard* of community newspapers before--who hasn't? It's just that
this doesn't quite seem like one of those. In some articles it does,
and in others it looks like it's trying to be an "alternative
newspaper"--but not one with a whole lot of credibility. The
alternative papers I've seen do a better job of crediting their
sources, and know the difference between news and editorial, for one.
And none of them would be caught dead writing a simple little story
about a local teacher winning a prize. Whereas, the community
newspapers I've seen wouldn't be caught dead writing stories about gays
or using tabloid tactics to sell themselves.

Hence my inability to really categorize this...thing.

Trudi.

I agree Trudi,

Written in news style but with no sourcing... just unsubstantiated rumor and
opinion, with the Opinion thrown in for good measure.  Any fair journalist
puts an opinion separate from any properly sourced news story.
Unfortunately in today's world their is not much premium on fair journalism.

This appears to be just an online blogger with a very biased viewpoint and
an agenda driving it.


Pete


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Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SkateFans] Re: Article on Weir vs. USFS


> On Apr 29, 2006, at 9:20 PM, naomipaiss wrote:
>
> > --- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, trudee44081@... wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't know, Sharon, but this whole newspaper seems quite amateurish.
> >> They don't seem to know, for one thing, what constitutes "news" and
> >> what constitutes "editorial." That's my impression just from looking
> >> over the whole thing. They seem to be one of those small town papers
> >> that exists on the fringe.
> >>
> >> Trudi
> >>
> > Falls Church is a small, affluent town inside the Beltway in Fairfax
> > County, Virginia. In all my years of pitching press in DC, from local
> > to international, I've never heard of that publication.
> >
> > Naomi
>
> That's interesting. I know what and where Falls Church is, but the fact
> that you haven't even heard of this paper is quite interesting. What it
> publishes seems to be really weird. One article that looks like
> something straight out of weekly-newspaper cutesy Americana--about a
> teacher getting an award--one about how Jamaica is supposedly a
> gay-bashing country (written just like an editorial because it's chock
> full of opinion with no facts to back it up, but without being labeled
> as such), another one about oil and gas prices...it's just all over the
> place.
>
> The story on Weir was much like the Jamaica story...big on
> sensationalism, small on citation of fact.
>
> Trudi
>
>
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--- Mary E Tyler <dejahvu@...> wrote:

> >Isn't Falwell in Falls Church?
>
> I don't think so. Falwell is out somewhere in the midwest where he
> has his own university (with a kick ass debate team). You're
> thinking
> of Pat Robertson whose Regent University is in Virginia Beach, VA
> (which is near me and nearly 4h from DC).

Nope, Falwell is in Lynchberg, VA.

Helen


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-- In SkateFans@yahoogroups.com, Mary E Tyler <dejahvu@...> wrote:
>
> >Isn't Falwell in Falls Church?
>
> I don't think so. Falwell is out somewhere in the midwest where he
> has his own university (with a kick ass debate team). You're
thinking
> of Pat Robertson whose Regent University is in Virginia Beach, VA
> (which is near me and nearly 4h from DC).
>
> Ob skating: The skating partner of Burt Cording whom he dumped to
> skate with Tifffany Steigler is also from this area. Or something
> like that...
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Fallwell lives nowhere near Falls Church.

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> Isn't Falwell in Falls Church?
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> > Don't know, Sharon, but this whole newspaper seems quite
amateurish.
> > They don't seem to know, for one thing, what constitutes "news"
and
> > what constitutes "editorial." That's my impression just from
looking
> > over the whole thing. They seem to be one of those small town
papers
> > that exists on the fringe.
> >
> > Trudi
> >
> Falls Church is a small, affluent town inside the Beltway in
Fairfax
> County, Virginia. In all my years of pitching press in DC, from
local
> to international, I've never heard of that publication.
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>Isn't Falwell in Falls Church?

I don't think so. Falwell is out somewhere in the midwest where he
has his own university (with a kick ass debate team). You're thinking
of Pat Robertson whose Regent University is in Virginia Beach, VA
(which is near me and nearly 4h from DC).

Ob skating: The skating partner of Burt Cording whom he dumped to
skate with Tifffany Steigler is also from this area. Or something
like that...

dej
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>Don't know, Sharon, but this whole newspaper seems quite amateurish.
>They don't seem to know, for one thing, what constitutes "news" and
>what constitutes "editorial." That's my impression just from looking
>over the whole thing. They seem to be one of those small town papers
>that exists on the fringe.

Community Newspapers is what they are called. Unfortunately, a LOT of
people put a fair amount of stock in what's said by community papers.

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>
Falls Church is a small, affluent town inside the Beltway in Fairfax
County, Virginia. In all my years of pitching press in DC, from local
to international, I've never heard of that publication.

Naomi

I have a feeling this "paper" does not exist in print from..that it is
basically a sort of online blog....

I have a good friend who lives in Falls Church, if someone tells me the
exact name of this thing, I'll ask if she has ever seen a copy.

My friend, having worked with me for many years, is a casual skating fan.,
she would know the name of Kwan and maybe Cohen..I would doubt many people
in Falls Church have ever heard of Johnny Weir.

Fred






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