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Montreal Gazette article on pairs/dance splitting & searching   Message List  
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Re: [SkateFans] Re: Montreal Gazette article on pairs/dance splitting & searching

On 4/30/06, Mary E Tyler <dejahvu@...> wrote:
> > > Nothing about the boy failing to grow enough, or failing to gain
> >> enough muscle.
> >
> >Well, the reason for that is right in the next paragraph:
> >
> >....In a sport where girls outnumber boys by as much as 50 to one, the
> >boys usually call the shots. "The boys have the pick of the girls,"
> >Winter says. "Unfortunately, it's a reality in the sport."
>
> He could have easily said:
> "They grew at different rates."
> "The lifting to mass ration was out of whack."
> "They were no longer a good match."
>
> The coach's words resent the situation as being the girl's **fault**
> when really, it's not more her fault than her partner's.

Well, yes, in terms of how it was phrased, you're right.

> Unfortunately, it is the girls **problem** whether it's her fault or
> not. I do think think that the situation could more fairly and less
> masochistically be presented in non-blaming terms. But either way,
> while it might not be the girl's fault, it's still her problem.

Yep.

I've been watching some of my old tapes (as I'm transferring them to
DVD). It's amazing to watch, like, the short programs and original
dances at Nationals 8-10 years ago--the short and OD 'cause that's
where they'd show you 10 or so pairs, so you got deeper into it. And
seeing some of those pairs and dance teams that were finishing 8th or
10th or 12th in 95-96, and seeing how many of them had males that went
on to better things with different partners--and females you never
heard of again.

--Frank



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