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Im Stu Hirschfield.I studied from 1964-67 at Samurai Academy under
Sensei John Slocum and Tomosaburro Okano. Fred Hamilton was my trining
partner there,before opening his own school in about 1969.Then after
the service i trained again with Tomosaburro Okano in Japan for 1
yr...then with various Karateka thruout the next decade.Ive been
inactive since then.Greetings to you all here.

Oss!

O'Sensei Fey,

It is good to see the dojo and SKJF is doing so well after being
away so long! It's great to see you as active and driven as the day
we met. I see that you have achieved an even higher level of
expertise. I wish to congratulate you on your well deserved
achievement. I have always marveled at your skill on the floor and
enjoyed your humble easy manner otherwise!

Please let me know if I can be of any help to you here on the East
Coast again. I do not have a class or dojo in operation at present,
but will be training myself once again and a few of my core students
once my free time opens up a bit in September! Since we last spoke I
have been busy training in the Fire Service and Emergency Medical
areas too. I volunteer for the Cape Canaveral Fire Department and
still work for the Space Center.

I am oh so rusty, but not broken completely. I hope to hear from you
if there is anything and old karateka can do to help the school or
you! OSS!

Warmly,
Rick Georg

Oss!

O'Sensei Fey,

It is good to see the dojo and SKJF is doing so well after being
away so long! It's great to see you as active and driven as the day
we met. I see that you have achieved an even higher level of
expertise. I wish to congratulate you on your well deserved
achievement. I have always marveled at your skill on the floor and
enjoyed your humble easy manner otherwise!

Please let me know if I can be of any help to you here on the East
Coast again. I do not have a class or dojo in operation at present,
but will be training myself once again and a few of my core students
once my free time opens up a bit in September! Since we last spoke I
have been busy training in the Fire Service and Emergency Medical
areas too. I volunteer for the Cape Canaveral Fire Department and
still work for the Space Center.

I am oh so rusty, but not broken completely. I hope to hear from you
if there is anything and old karateka can do to help the school or
you! OSS!

Warmly,
Rick Georg

Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  Take
Care and have some fun.

OSS!!


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> Merry Christmas!
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:01 AM

Subject: [ShotoJukuKai] Merry Christmas SKJF

I would like to extend my personal Merry Christmas wish to all of the
members of the SKJF - OSS!!

I would like to extend my personal Merry Christmas wish to all of the
members of the SKJF - OSS!!

Dan -- thanks for the note and hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
Reference your question on USMA Karate, it is true that the West
Point Team in fact has two sides for training and competition: TKD
(mostly olympic style) and Japanese Karate.  When i was instructing
there (Phys Ed dept and with the Team) 98- 01, the cadets with
previous experience mostly came from those 2 backgrounds, and since
West Point leadership supported giving the most cadets training
opportunity (ie; turn no one away ..) but could only fund one
organization, the cadet leadership set on a composite TKD/ Karate
Club for all to train.  For my years there, this was never an issue:
All trained basics (kihon), kumite, and kata.  The dojo would just
divide somewhat into Kurio vs. Kanku (as applicable), but all still
trained kata the same time.  When competitions were scheduled, TKD
cadets competed in theirs, and Shotokan in Japanese style
tournaments.  In many way, the composite dojo made for more seasoned
competitors and less-partisan camps as it was one family tree with
understandable and respected differing branches.  If your cadet sees
a heavy TKD focus now, it is probably due to 1) more TKD cadets by
percentage, and/ or 2) little or no Shotokan instruction from
officers in charge.  I would like to know the current situation, and
offer my help in any way possible.  In fact, had recently (summer
time) sent a note/ update to the Team leadership as they stay in
touch from time to time with previous Team cadet and then officer
leaders.  If i can be of help to your Son in his training, the Team
Shotokan program, or any of the Shotokan cadets at USMA, pls have him
contact me; email: bronco16@...; or cell: 760 267 2732.
Would love to conduct a seminar up there again (and revisit the
makiwara we built from scratch!) // again, thanks for the note, vr,
OSS, Matt Michaelson


In ShotoJukuKai@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Smiley" <dansmiley@c...> wrote:
>
> OSS!!
> Greeting and Happy Thanksgiving to the SKJF membership!!
>
> Sensei Michaelson do you have any tips on Shotokan Training at West
> Point currently.  My son is currently a plebe there.  He said that
the
> martial arts club didn't have anyone that he could find that was
> training in Shotokan now-mostly TaeKwonDo.
>
>
> Dan Smiley
> Sacramento, CA
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:22 PM
> To: ShotoJukuKai@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ShotoJukuKai] Update from Matt Michaelson//
>
> O'Sensei and SKJF -- Greetings from the Mojave Desert, CA.  So
sorry i
> missed training this passed weekend in Rochester, NY, was occupied
with
> Army training in Louisiana; i know the training must have been
> tremendous!  Have been busy lately, most recently returned from
hosting
> seminars in Karate, Army Combatives, and Women's Self-defense
courses
> at Indiana University, Bloomington, IN.  A great martial program
there
> in their PE school. Look forward to talking with everyone as soon
as
> possible.  Wishing everyone great training and a very happy
> Thanksgiving to all! Respectfully, OSS, LTC Matt Michaelson
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O'Sensei and SKJF -- Greetings from the Mojave Desert, CA.  So sorry i
missed training this passed weekend in Rochester, NY, was occupied with
Army training in Louisiana; i know the training must have been
tremendous!  Have been busy lately, most recently returned from hosting
seminars in Karate, Army Combatives, and Women's Self-defense courses
at Indiana University, Bloomington, IN.  A great martial program there
in their PE school. Look forward to talking with everyone as soon as
possible.  Wishing everyone great training and a very happy
Thanksgiving to all! Respectfully, OSS, LTC Matt Michaelson

On the weekend of November 18-20, 2005, O'Sensei Brian Fey, national
head of the Japan Karatedo ShotoJukuKai Federation (SKJF), delivered
over 13 hours of instruction during 7 separate classes at Bay View
Family YMCA!  The skills he taught during some of these classes
built upon the preceeding class, while others stood as independent
lessons in themselves.  It was a brilliantly planned and wonderfully
delivered seminar.

Seminar class sizes ranged from 30 to over 50 participants for the
various sessions, including students from both Bay View Karate and
Empire Martial Arts.  Parents and others watched and took
photographs.  We certainly utilized the Bay View Family YMCA
facility to its fullest during this 3-day event.  I believe everyone
had fun, learned something new, and made new friends.  Everyone who
attended benefited in some way, and those who immersed themselves by
participating in all the sessions have experienced a major milestone
in their karate careers.

A few brief highlights:

- Saturday morning's "Stranger Danger A.L.E.R.T." was a terrific
program for youth of all ages and their parents.  Our Tiny Tigers
were particularly engaged by Sensei Fey, who is a police officer,
and his PowerPoint slide show.

- Sunday's kobudo session included a bo-on-bo drill that is sure to
become a staple of our BVK classes.

- Shodan Gavin Pugh amazed everyone by learning Shushi No Kun Dai
well enough during this single lesson to immediately show it as a
solo performance.

- Heian Yondan movements will always carry meaning for us as we
perform the kata with its many applications in mind.



We also acknowledge our great fortunate in having Sensei Joseph
LaPlaca in our town.  He is my longtime personal instructor, and
now, as 6th dan, has become the highest-ranking member of SKJF,
after Sensei Fey himself.


Congratulations to Bay View Karate members for a job well done, as
well as to our brethren from Empire Martial Arts for joining us on
these occasions.  Many thanks to Sensei LaPlaca for his continued
guidance, and to O'Sensei Fey for coming to Rochester and to the Bay
View dojo.

Sincerely,
Sensei Justin Tubiolo

Hello Elliot - Welcome to the group!

You certainly hightlight some good points and I would like to add or
focus on another.

How many of you can honestly say that the skills you acquired from
kumite have actually saved your life in a genuine life or death
situation?  Not many I suspect.

Points, medals and trophies are a poor substitute for life saving
skills, yet the telephone book is filled with dozens of world
champions, 10th dan grandmasters, and style founders.  Then there is
a host of TKD schools, but that's another story.

I wonder how many of the telephone book wonders can answer the life
or death question?  Few to none I suspect.

Why the focus on life or death kumite?  Well that's what Funakoshi
believed was "real kumite" and exactly why he rejected the idea of
tournament kumite.  It would water down karate's "killing points"
into love taps for a piece of metal you hang around your neck or a
plastic trophy to display on a shelf.

Speaking for myself, I have my own collection of medals and trophies,
but more importantly, I can also, and unfortunately answer yes to the
life or death question.  As a policeman now for nearly 25 years I
have had to rely on karate skills a several occasions. I know what
Funakoshi meant, I have had to save myself - by myself.  No points,
no tagging, no rules, just survival.

OSS!!









--- In ShotoJukuKai@yahoogroups.com, "elliotkleiner" <elliot@o...>
wrote:
> Hello fellow Shoto-Karate-ka,
>
> I've been "sandbagging" and reading your conversations and have
found
> a place to jump in. The issue of Point Kumite in training. Does it
> have significance and is it adding or subtracting from the art?
>
> I have a view that may be a little unique.
>
> I tend to draw a big thick line between Kata and Kumite for
grading /
> advancement / real life and points / tournaments / trophies. One
kind
> of Kumite is for the development of traditional skills, the other
is
> a sport with no greater significance to Martial Arts than Football.
>
> Yes, a sweeping generalisation may be that Kihon, Kata and Kumite
> must all be represented with equal balance in the training regimen
of
> a good dojo BUT the KIND of Kumite that is practised should be
> defined so that students never need to ask this question of either
> themselves, or their Sensei.
>
> We've all seen TV footage of tournaments with music, coloured Gis,
> acrobatics and all of that absolute RUBBISH that people try to pass
> off as Karate. That's the only thing that upsets me. Take a kid,
> teach him how to do back-flips and scream on cue, dress him in a
> purple outfit with glitter and flashing lights, tie a samurai band
> around his head and get him to dance to club music. That's all fine
> if you live in Vegas but for God's sake don't put a black belt on
him
> and give him the idea that he's a practitioner of Martial Arts.
>
> In my dojo, we practice ALL forms of recognised Kumite. Gohon,
> Sanbon, Kihon-Ippon, Jiyu-Ippon and Jiyu (for points) however, if I
> see a student performing a technique that they cannot demonstrate,
> with real Bunkai, would actually work, that it to say - end a fight
> or a life, then it is outlawed.
>
> At the same time, we also have our tournaments for points. They are
> very social. We wear only traditional Gi with no bells & whistles.
We
> compete under WKF Rules and have qualified and certified referees &
> Judges. That's important too. If you have students like kids, what
> else can they aspire to at their level of maturity. They must have
a
> tangible goal to work towards until they achieve the maturity to
> recognise that the journey itself is the destination too. Until
then,
> tournaments are a cute substitute.
>
> In the words of my own Sensei Hachi-Dan Master Sumi, "Tournament
> fighting is merely a game we play with our friends using the skills
> we learn on our life journey, nothing more."
>
> Hope this input has been well received.
>
> Domo-Oregato!
>
> Sensei Elliot Kleiner - Karate Union of Australia
> www.kua.com.au
> Unit 6, Federation Business Centre
> 198 - 222 Young St
> Waterloo NSW 2017
> Ph: 612 9699 9669 Fx: 612 9699 9934

Hello fellow Shoto-Karate-ka,

I've been "sandbagging" and reading your conversations and have found
a place to jump in. The issue of Point Kumite in training. Does it
have significance and is it adding or subtracting from the art?

I have a view that may be a little unique.

I tend to draw a big thick line between Kata and Kumite for grading /
advancement / real life and points / tournaments / trophies. One kind
of Kumite is for the development of traditional skills, the other is
a sport with no greater significance to Martial Arts than Football.

Yes, a sweeping generalisation may be that Kihon, Kata and Kumite
must all be represented with equal balance in the training regimen of
a good dojo BUT the KIND of Kumite that is practised should be
defined so that students never need to ask this question of either
themselves, or their Sensei.

We've all seen TV footage of tournaments with music, coloured Gis,
acrobatics and all of that absolute RUBBISH that people try to pass
off as Karate. That's the only thing that upsets me. Take a kid,
teach him how to do back-flips and scream on cue, dress him in a
purple outfit with glitter and flashing lights, tie a samurai band
around his head and get him to dance to club music. That's all fine
if you live in Vegas but for God's sake don't put a black belt on him
and give him the idea that he's a practitioner of Martial Arts.

In my dojo, we practice ALL forms of recognised Kumite. Gohon,
Sanbon, Kihon-Ippon, Jiyu-Ippon and Jiyu (for points) however, if I
see a student performing a technique that they cannot demonstrate,
with real Bunkai, would actually work, that it to say - end a fight
or a life, then it is outlawed.

At the same time, we also have our tournaments for points. They are
very social. We wear only traditional Gi with no bells & whistles. We
compete under WKF Rules and have qualified and certified referees &
Judges. That's important too. If you have students like kids, what
else can they aspire to at their level of maturity. They must have a
tangible goal to work towards until they achieve the maturity to
recognise that the journey itself is the destination too. Until then,
tournaments are a cute substitute.

In the words of my own Sensei Hachi-Dan Master Sumi, "Tournament
fighting is merely a game we play with our friends using the skills
we learn on our life journey, nothing more."

Hope this input has been well received.

Domo-Oregato!

Sensei Elliot Kleiner - Karate Union of Australia
www.kua.com.au
Unit 6, Federation Business Centre
198 - 222 Young St
Waterloo NSW 2017
Ph: 612 9699 9669 Fx: 612 9699 9934

From: shotorochester

To: ShotoJukuKai@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:29 PM

Subject: [ShotoJukuKai] Sparring in Karate

Since the forum has been quiet I'll post a contraversal question.

Karate has the three k's: Kihon, Kata, and Kumite

What should be the role of "point" or "tournament" sparring in Karate?
Is it a valid form of Kumite practice or is it a waste of time? If
Kumite should reflect actual situations shouldn't you spend more of
your valuable training time on waza, ippon kumite, street defense,
etc.?

Just wondering what people think about this.


Rick P.