Perhaps you could try what the Sierra Club
Bicycle Section does, have social rides for those that prefer a more relaxed
and social pace and separate “express” rides for those that prefer
a faster pace. That way you attract all level of riders into your club.
I would venture to say that more riders are
hesitant to participate in club rides because the perceive themselves to be too
slow for the club rather than the other way around.
From:
SanDiegoTandem@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SanDiegoTandem@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Lifton Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007
6:28 PM To: dan crane Cc: SDTC Yahoo Subject: Re: [SanDiegoTandem] Why
we're not in the club today.
Dan--
Thanks for weighing in. When Tony and I joined, about 7-8 years ago, the
emphasis was much more what you describe, and we were riding longer and harder
too. Six years ago, when we took over the club, we had a meeting to hear what
people wanted. The club had been about to disband for lack of interest, and
those who came said they wanted rides of about 35 miles, largely social, at
least once a month (there hadn't been a regular ride schedule for several
years). I've been in touch with a couple of other past presidents, and I
understand from them that this tug of war, for lack of a better term, between
the strong, fast riders and those who want a slower pace and chance to
socialize has always been an issue. Believe it or not, there are some riders
who find our current rides more than they want to do, and they've dropped out
for the opposite reason to yours.
I know for a fact that there are other members who would enjoy faster, harder
rides, and we would like to find a way to cater better to their needs too. A
few years ago, when we started the third Sunday rides, those were supposed to
be the faster, longer rides. But there have never been enough ride leaders, so
they've devolved into whatever the ride leaders who volunteer want to do. If
you'd like to get involved again and lead some rides that are more to your
liking--and they'd need to be advertised that way, with the parameters
clear--we'd be happy to list them on the calendar--there's plenty of room.
(It might take a little patience before they catch on.) And once we get the
century club going, perhaps that would appeal more to you too--show and go
training rides where you can go your own pace.
There probably will always be a strong social component to the club--people
really like each other and like socializing, and when there are newcomers, as
board members we feel obligated to make sure they get through the ride okay.
But the stronger, more challenging rides are probably not going to happen
unless and until someone comes forward to spearhead them. Any volunteers? We
usually have at least two Sundays a month open.
BTW, the calendar site we're linked into forces us to give a duration for every
event we list, so the length is always a guess.
Sarah
dan crane wrote:
I'd like to provide some semi
unsolicited comments on why my wife and i aren't in the tandem club today.
We are long ago tandem club member (10+ years ago). Back then the club
rode a very different style than it does today. A style we very much
enjoyed. However, young kids and competitive soccer forced us to give up
riding with the club. A few years ago we gave the club a try but found
that the style of riding the club currently enjoys just wasn't to our liking.
Let me first describe my impression of what kind of riding goes on currently in
the Tandem club today, and please correct me if I'm off base here.
It appears that most of the rides put on by the club tend to be a style i
would call a relaxed touristy. The rides are controlled enough that
they try to keep everyone together throughout the ride. You stop
multiple times to ensure that, as well as generally riding towards the speed of
the slower people on the ride. There is also almost always a lunch
stop in the middle. For example the next ride scheduled is expected to be
4 hours for 36 miles.
I would describe our style of riding as "semi" serious fitness
riding. We like to keep up a good pace 15-16 average for a whole ride
which usually includes some good climbing and some fast paced flat
riding. We also don't like to stop very often or for very long.
We recently found the North County Cycle Club (meet at restaurant row in san marcos saturday
mornings) which meets our needs for the style of riding we enjoy. The
"medium" ride they have is usually around 40 miles the average speed
is about 16 miles an hour and we can occasionally hammer and those single
who want to get to hang on for dear life :-). NCCC regroups a couple of
times during the ride and rarely stops for much more than 10 minutes.
If the club decided to have alternate rides with the focus more on
fitness and good high speeds (not racing...) we'd definitely consider
joining. I also think there are other tandemers out there who enjoy
riding similar to ours and would like to do it with other tandems.
Please don't take any of my comments as a criticism of the club or the riding
style but merely our observations and expression of what we enjoy.
hope this helps everyone and provokes some good discussion for you.
Let me first say that I appreciate Dan's constructive observations about what he perceives as the pervasive riding style in the current SDTC. In my view, there is a large degree of truth in what he says. I would like to point out, however, that my wife/stoker Trudie and I, who have been riding with the club for about 5 years, very much enjoy the same type of riding Dan and his partner prefer. (We also enjoy relaxed social paced rides, and in fact, are planning to bring our recumbent to this weeks ride for an even more comfortable cruise.) There are also other teams in the club that are quite capable of longer faster paced rides. I think he would find, if he gave us more of a try, that at the front of many of these "relaxed touristy" rides he describes, there are often 3-6 tandems carrying on a pretty spirited paceline. In fact, if he were there in the mix on any given day, this would be even more likely to be the case. Also, if he were to watch the
ride descriptions, I think he would find that occasionaly there are longer more challenging rides offered. Whenever Steve and Suzanne Orton lead the Borrego to Salton Sea ride for instance, our average speed on computer has always read 16+ mph over the 60+ miles distance. Sam and Sherry's 50 mile out and back, which they led several times this past year from the Oceanside bikepath on through Camp Pendleton always resulted in 15+mph showing as an average on the computer. We encountered North County Cycle Club more than once on these rides and enjoyed the mutual benefit of a larger paceline. In short, if the ride description shows short mileage, and/or a lunch stop, then you'll probably prefer riding with the singles in NCCC. If SDTC is offering a longer ride, however, we'd love to have you join us "hammering" at the front. There's nothing like riding in a big tandem paceline! The more tandems the better!
Thanks for weighing in. When Tony and I joined, about 7-8 years ago,
the emphasis was much more
what you describe, and we were riding longer and harder too. Six years
ago, when we took over the club, we had a meeting to hear what people
wanted. The club had been about to disband for lack of interest, and
those who came said they wanted rides of about 35 miles, largely
social, at least once a month (there hadn't been a regular ride
schedule for several years). I've been in touch with a couple of other
past presidents, and I understand from them that this tug of war, for
lack of a better term, between the strong, fast riders and those who
want a slower pace and chance to socialize has always been an issue.
Believe it or not, there are some riders who find our current rides
more than they want to do, and they've dropped out for the opposite
reason to yours.
I know for a fact that there are other members who would enjoy faster,
harder rides, and we would like to find a way to cater better to their
needs too. A few years ago, when we started the third Sunday rides,
those were supposed to be the faster, longer rides. But there have
never been enough ride leaders, so they've devolved into whatever the
ride leaders who volunteer want to do. If you'd like to get involved
again and lead some rides that are more to your liking--and they'd need
to be advertised that way, with the parameters clear--we'd be happy to
list them on the calendar--there's plenty of room. (It might take a
little patience before they catch on.) And once we get the century club
going, perhaps that would appeal more to you too--show and go training
rides where you can go your own pace.
There probably will always be a strong social component to the
club--people really like each other and like socializing, and when
there are newcomers, as board members we feel obligated to make sure
they get through the ride okay. But the stronger, more challenging
rides are probably not going to happen unless and until someone comes
forward to spearhead them. Any volunteers? We usually have at least two
Sundays a month open.
BTW, the calendar site we're linked into forces us to give a duration
for every event we list, so the length is always a guess.
Sarah
dan crane wrote:
I'd
like to provide some semi unsolicited comments on why my wife and i
aren't in the tandem club today.
We are long ago tandem club member (10+ years ago). Back then the club
rode a very different style than it does today. A style we very much
enjoyed. However, young kids and competitive soccer forced us to give
up riding with the club. A few years ago we gave the club a try but
found that the style of riding the club currently enjoys just wasn't to
our liking.
Let me first describe my impression of what kind of riding goes on
currently in the Tandem club today, and please correct me if I'm off
base here. It appears that most of the rides put on by the club tend
to be a style i would call a relaxed touristy. The rides are
controlled enough that they try to keep everyone together throughout
the ride. You stop multiple times to ensure that, as well as generally
riding towards the speed of the slower people on the ride. There is
also almost always a lunch stop in the middle. For example the next
ride scheduled is expected to be 4 hours for 36 miles.
I would describe our style of riding as "semi" serious fitness riding.
We like to keep up a good pace 15-16 average for a whole ride which
usually includes some good climbing and some fast paced flat riding.
We also don't like to stop very often or for very long.
We recently found the North County Cycle Club (meet at restaurant row
in san marcos saturday mornings) which meets our needs for the style of
riding we enjoy. The "medium" ride they have is usually around 40
miles the average speed is about 16 miles an hour and we can
occasionally hammer and those single who want to get to hang on for
dear life :-). NCCC regroups a couple of times during the ride and
rarely stops for much more than 10 minutes.
If the club decided to have alternate rides with the focus more on
fitness and good high speeds (not racing...) we'd definitely consider
joining. I also think there are other tandemers out there who enjoy
riding similar to ours and would like to do it with other tandems.
Please don't take any of my comments as a criticism of the club or the
riding style but merely our observations and expression of what we
enjoy.
hope this helps everyone and provokes some good discussion for you.
I'd like to provide some semi unsolicited comments on why my wife and i aren't in the tandem club today.
We are long ago tandem club member (10+ years ago). Back then the club rode a very different style than it does today. A style we very much enjoyed. However, young kids and competitive soccer forced us to give up riding with the club. A few years ago we gave the club a try but found that the style of riding the club currently enjoys just wasn't to our liking.
Let me first describe my impression of what kind of riding goes on currently in the Tandem club today, and please correct me if I'm off base here. It appears that most of the rides put on by the club tend to be a style i would call a
relaxed touristy. The rides are controlled enough that they try to keep everyone together throughout the ride. You stop multiple times to ensure that, as well as generally riding towards the speed of the slower people on the ride. There is also almost always a lunch stop in the middle. For example the next ride scheduled is expected to be 4 hours for 36 miles.
I would describe our style of riding as "semi" serious fitness riding. We like to keep up a good pace 15-16 average for a whole ride which usually includes some good climbing and some fast paced flat riding. We also don't like to stop very often or for very long.
We recently found the North County Cycle Club (meet at restaurant row in san marcos saturday mornings) which meets our needs for the style of riding we enjoy. The "medium" ride they have is usually around 40 miles the average speed is about 16 miles an hour and we can
occasionally hammer and those single who want to get to hang on for dear life :-). NCCC regroups a couple of times during the ride and rarely stops for much more than 10 minutes.
If the club decided to have alternate rides with the focus more on fitness and good high speeds (not racing...) we'd definitely consider joining. I also think there are other tandemers out there who enjoy riding similar to ours and would like to do it with other tandems.
Please don't take any of my comments as a criticism of the club or the
riding style but merely our observations and expression of what we enjoy.
hope this helps everyone and provokes some good discussion for you.
Thanks to all of you who attended our dessert night planning meeting. It was a pretty spectacular display of sugar--full of color and flavor, mixed wonderfully with good company and friendship. And, our special thanks to Tony and Sarah for opening their warm and comfy home to us so that we had the opportunity to do a little brainstorming on top of the regular club planning. Also to Daphne and Stella, two of the resident house kitties, who were thoughtful enough to make an appearance.
In addition to Sarah and Tony, present from the SDTC were Team JJ (Jerry and Jeannie Davis), Kirk and Trudie Newell, Dennis Spillane, Hank and Carolyn Peterson, Rich Wolf and Ina Thompson, Jim and Suzanne Swigart, and our old friends, Brian Meyers and Marysue Smith, whom we haven’t seen for a while. We also had three guests: Lynn and Lilian
Wilkirson and Matthew O’Neill.
The agenda for the evening was multi-fold. First of all, Sarah announced that Pearl Izumi has opened an outlet store in Carmel Valley and pointed out the 15% discount cards she’d gotten for us, good for already marked-down merchandise. She also mentioned the notices she’d laid out for Pedal to the Park and the Great Western Bicycle Rally.
We filled in the ride calendar for the upcoming four months (with one hole), which Sarah has already sent out. The invitation to host the next planning meeting was thrown out, with no immediate takers, so that's still open if you are so inclined. Following that, the agenda was to do some brainstorming about what direction we all as members want to see the club take in the future.
Changes to the
ride program to meet a higher percentage of tandemists' needs were definitely on Sarah's mind as she introduced some ideas to the club for growth and expansion. Initially, she brought up the idea of working up to scheduling rides every weekend, while acknowledging that, as a club of the present size/membership, we probably need more members/ride leaders for that to materialize.
She then tossed in the idea of themed rides as a way to attract riders. We discussed the possibility of using local scandals, haunted houses, historical sites, eateries and architecture as vehicles to build interesting rides around. This led into a suggestion that we build some multi-day rides using complete ride loops each day and connecting different sections on the following day(s). This would make the rides versatile enough for those who only wanted to ride for a day and also for those who wanted to ride the
entire weekend, doing one section in conjunction with another. This discussion led naturally into the overnighter ride idea. (Note that as a club, we have tossed this one around a multitude of times, but on this particular evening, the idea seemed to garner a really positive response. Several teams seemed especially interested in doing this, of which Team JJ was one. Of course, Team JJ has always been interested in this, but so far no plan has materialized! Hopefully this will change.)
Sarah noted that she and Tony want to get back into shape to do centuries and floated the idea of starting a century club within our tandem club. The century club riders could ride on the weekends that we don't have regularly scheduled club rides, training for the longer 100-mile rides. She also suggested joining events with OC tandemists in an effort to diversify our activities and add interest, as well as publicizing any
themed rides to other clubs, hopefully increasing our club exposure as well as increasing the number of riders.
As an additional way to grow the club, Sarah started to talk about outreach possibilities, including a Try a Tandem Day, but Dennis Spillane quickly jumped in, saying that he thought that rather than spend effort on creating new tandemists, we should focus on getting existing tandemists to join the club. He noted that he and Rich Wolf had been discussing this issue and had a number of suggestions, including restricting the YahooGroups e-mail list to paid SDTC members as a membership benefit; sending the membership roster to members only (note that this is already done, when members request it); creating a membership director position to recruit new members, adding club signups via the Web through Active.com; making the dues year-round rather than two-tiered; and implementing outreach strategies to
bike shops in San Diego.
As they outlined it, the duties of the membership (which they volunteered to carry out as a committee) would include regularly approaching members of the YahooGroups e-mail list who aren’t current SDTC members; handling all membership applications and checks (which would be forwarded to Tony, as treasurer); handling renewals; sending out nag letters to encourage expired members to renew.
A spirited and sometimes heated discussion ensued. The proposal to restrict the e-mail list met with opposition and ultimately was tabled. There was support, however, for eliminating the two-tiered system of dues and simply charging $30 regardless of when a team joins, with renewal a year later, to the month. Tony also tossed out for discussion an alternative,
which was to raise the July-November dues to $20 or $25, but ultimately there was more support for moving to a single $30 dues structure with year-round renewals.
There was also support for adding member signups through Active.com, which as it turned out, was on the agenda anyway, as Tony had already investigated it and had been holding out for the meeting to present it and then subsequently implement it.
When the discussion turned to member benefits, several people spoke up, especially Jim Swigart, who is a board member of the San Diego Bicycle Club. He explained that legally, no club can restrict anyone else’s access to the public roads, and SDBC regularly welcomes new riders and non-member riders. Certain activities, though, are restricted to members only, including an
annual banquet and weekend in Borrego Springs. Also, only members can buy SDBC jerseys.
In looking for ways to apply similar criteria to the tandem club in order to add some member benefits, Sarah noted that we probably don’t yet have the critical mass for another jersey order. But we discussed making certain appealing and popular club activities members-only. When Sarah brought up that we have been attracting more people from Orange County, and that would penalize people who realistically would have no interest in joining the club but whose company we’d enjoy, Rich suggested that we essentially have two different sets of rules, one for SD County residents and one for everyone else, which would allow for guest privileges. In addition to the annual rally, which already is restricted to members, it was suggested that the Dana Point weekend
and the Borrego Blast become member-only rides (though the Borrego Blast can’t be members only because it is something Kirk organizes on his own, and it isn't a club event). It was also suggested that Kirk and Trudie’s upcoming Soup to Nuts ride be restricted to members (though Kirk has since decided that he doesn’t support the idea).
Several people commented that if someone can afford a tandem, then $30 isn’t really an issue, and they didn’t understand what the fuss was about. Sarah said she didn’t want to see us making any firm decisions without additional input because there was a comparatively small turnout, with most of the club not represented, particularly many longtime members, though Dennis expressed skepticism that we could ever reach a consensus.
By then there
were many yawns in the room, and Sarah broached the subject of guidelines for listing non-club events on our web site. A hasty discussion followed, with some inclination that we shouldn’t list any non-club events on our calendar unless club members are involved. The discussion didn’t go much further.
Thank you again for attending, and those of you who didn't, feel free to contact me for further clarification of the meeting.
Team JJ will lead a ride this Sunday on February 4th. Hopefully the weather will be its typically beautiful self, while offering tantalizing sea breezes when we get to the coast. It is called the Central Coast Loop and is basically from Mission Bay to La Jolla and back. However, the ride is so much more than that. It starts at De Anza Cove in Mission Bay, winds northward through Rose Canyon, on up to UCSD and to Sorrento Valley via I-5. At that point, we'll head west to the coast and up Torrey Pines hill, bearing south to La Jolla. We'll stop at a little deli/cafe at the cove before winding down along the coastline, taking in among many other beautiful things, the resting and often playfull sea lions at the Children's Pool. From there, we'll ride through Pacific Beach, following the scenic route, which is also the bike route, to Mission Beach and then eastward back to the bay, utilizing the bike path over San Diego River
and along the flood control channel and estuary. We will be sure to see some storks, blue herons, and other assorted beautiful birds who make their winter home in this wetland. This stretch of the ride is kind of spectacular in a quiet, peaceful, beautiful, environmentally aware kind of way. From there it's a pretty straight-forward shot back to De Anza.
The ride begins at 9am and usually takes us, with a food stop, about 4 hours to cover approximately 36 miles. We'd love it if you could all join us, as this particular ride defines San Diego in a lot of ways. Not only that, but we'd really love to have your company!
Jeannie Davis is working on the minutes for Saturday's meeting, but in
the meantime, here's the ride calendar so far for the next four months.
Please note that we need a ride leader for May 20, and we also need
someone to step forward to host a planning party before June.
Since one of the topics discussed on Saturday was filling out the ride
calendar with (ultimately) weekly rides, if you'd like to lead a ride
on a date not included below, by all means let us know.
If ride leaders for dates from Feb. 25 on could contact Jeannie Davis
(jerryjeannie2000@...) with details about their rides about a
month in advance so we can input them into the calendar, that would be
great.
Jeannie will be getting out information about Team JJ's ride this
coming Sunday shortly.
Thanks!
Sarah
February 4: Team JJ (Jerry and Jeannie Davis)
February 25: Sam and Sherry Powell
March 4: Team Gravity (Tony Pietsch and Sarah
Lifton)
March 18: Kirk and Trudie Newell’s Soup to Nuts
ride and potluck,
rescheduled from December
April 1: Rich Wolf and Ina Thompson’s
Six-Mission ride
I am selling this bike for Jeff and Linda Abell of the L.A. MASCOTS club. If you were at our Borrego event, you might have met them. This bike has been well maintained, never crashed, and has features and upgrades that are desirable to most tandem teams. Trudie and I rode the bike this weekend (We've got to know what we're selling, don't we?) and found it to be in perfect operating condition with very comfortable high quality seats. The famous Santana ride was stable, but still fun in the fast corners. We also found the bike to be a more efficient climber than the Raleigh we are currently riding. I really enjoyed the Flight Deck computer which told me what gear we were in and gave us our current cadence in that gear. This bike purchased new
today would cost about $6500. I am selling it for $3800. This price includes the Flight Deck computer and a matched set of attractive, lightweight, SPD compatible polished aluminum road pedals. A list of specifications follows. I can supply you with photos of this attractive bike on request. I can be reached through replying to this email, or at 760-390-1555. Give me a call and come check it out!
Subject: [SanDiegoTandem] [Fwd: ABC Television Looking for Outdoor Enthusiasts!]
Hi everyone.
This is certainly one of the stranger requests we've received of late. I don't know what it says about our club that I can't think of anyone who might fit their bill (probably a major plus). Anyway, this seemed like something to pass along in case any of you do know any candidates who are eager for $20K. (Doesn't seem like a lot under the circumstances.) If not, it might at least be entertaining to contemplate the possibilities inherent in stoker-swapping. :)
BTW, I did go to the Web site in his signature, and it appears to be legit.
My name is Daniel Markell and I am the Casting Producer for the hit show Wife Swap on ABC! Perhaps you have seen it! We are currently looking to feature an amazing family with huge personalities that loves to be active! I noticed the website for the San Diego Tandem Club and felt compelled to write.
I was wondering if you know of anyone within your organization might be interested in applying for the show.
Incase you are unfamiliar with the show, the premise of Wife Swap is that one parent from each household swaps places for seven days to experience how another family runs their lives. It is an incredible family experience and opportunity to both learn and teach different family values. The show is a fascinating story of what happens when two married couples see themselves and their spouses in a whole new light. The New York Post says, "It should be called ‘Life Swap’ because it's not just the wives who learn something here. It's the families." The only requirement for applying is that you are married (or living together) With at least one child over the age of 6 and under 18 living at home!
Also, not that money is an incentive but the family that is selected receives $20,000 and there is a $1,000 finders fee if you refer us an amazing family that makes the show. This is a Nationwide Casting and any additional exposure you can bring would be greatly appreciated!
So If you or any one else you know is up for the experience of a lifetime, please feel free to contact me to find out how to apply for the show today!
This is certainly one of the stranger requests we've received of late.
I don't know what it says about our club that I can't think of anyone
who might fit their bill (probably a major plus). Anyway, this seemed
like something to pass along in case any of you do know any candidates
who are eager for $20K. (Doesn't seem like a lot under the
circumstances.) If not, it might at least be entertaining to
contemplate the possibilities inherent in stoker-swapping. :)
BTW, I did go to the Web site in his signature, and it appears
to be legit.
My name is Daniel Markell
and I am the Casting Producer for
the hit show Wife Swap on ABC!
Perhaps you have seen it! We are currently looking to feature an
amazing
family with huge personalities that loves to be active! I noticed
the
website for the San Diego Tandem Club and felt compelled to write.
I was wondering if you
know of anyone within your organization
might be interested in applying for the show.
Incase you are unfamiliar
with the show, the premise of
Wife Swap is that one parent from each household swaps places for seven
days to
experience how another family runs their lives. It is an incredible
family experience and opportunity to both learn and teach different
family values.
The show is a fascinating story of what happens when two married
couples see
themselves and their spouses in a whole new light. The New York Post
says,
"It should be called ‘Life Swap’ because it's not just the
wives who learn something here. It's the families." The only
requirement for applying is that you are married (or living together)
With at
least one child over the age of 6 and under 18 living at home!
Also, not that money is
an incentive but the family that is
selected receives $20,000
and there
is a $1,000 finders fee
if you
refer us an amazing family that makes the show. This is a
Nationwide Casting
and any additional exposure you can bring would be greatly appreciated!
So If you or any one else
you know is up for the experience
of a lifetime, please feel free to contact me to find out how to apply
for the
show today!
Hi everyone.
Just a reminder that you're all invited to tomorrow night's planning
party and dessert potluck. In addition to the ride calendar, we'll be
discussing what some key things for the club's future direction, so we
hope lots of you can come: 7 p.m. at SDTC World HQ.
Sarah
Pedal to the Park puts local spotlight on tandems
Nine years ago, as novice tandemists and members of the SDTC, we were
introduced by tandem club members to a local program for cyclists with
disabilities. Involvement with this program has inspired the formation
of an all-cyclist event, with a spotlight on tandems. As stokers,
local cyclists with disabilities will have the treat of a bike ride to
a ballgame. All participants will have the same recreational
opportunities, while supporting the event's benefit partner,
Therapeutic Recreation Services (TRS).
We would like to offer Pedal to the Park as a SDTC special event ride
on Sunday April 29th. Full flexibility - You can start anytime between
9 am and noon, you can ride any route length, and you can enjoy as
little or much of the game as you like. Cost includes game ticket and
is $33 per cyclist, $66 per tandem team. PTP seating in a reserved
group section.
Tandem Team Special 2-for-1 Offer: Stokers who give up their seat to a
disabled cyclist can earn a seat at the game by filling a volunteer
position on event day. This offer is available to all SDTC teams, as a
more involved mode of participation, and a chance to make a cycling
friend. Cost is $33 per tandem team; captains should register online
and stokers contact me for volunteer sign-up. The stoker with
disability will register and pay separately, through TRS.
Finally, if the club is interested in becoming organizationally
involved as a PTP Partner, Pedal to the Park has opportunities related
to service project teaming, SDTC promotional exposure, humanitarian
outreach, and membership recruiting. A second stage is planned for
Sunday September 16th.
Dave & Nancy White
On Jan 14, 2007, at 10:10 PM, Sarah Lifton wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> Attached is a notice about the San Diego Tandem Club's January 27
> planning party and dessert potluck. In addition to the ride schedule
> for
> the next few months, we're planning to brainstorm ideas for some
> longer-term directions for the club, so please try to come if you want
> to have a say. All relevant info should be in the notice, but let us
> know if you have any more questions, and please RSVP if you're
> planning
> to be there.
Hi everyone.
Many, many thanks to Kirk for putting together a marvelous weekend in
Borrego Springs. I think it's safe to say that a good time was had by
all--lots of good company, good cycling and good weather, all
orchestrated with Kirk's usual finesse. (Okay, maybe he didn't have a
lot to do with the weather, but there were at least 30 bikes with happy
teams from LA, Orange County, Ventura, Yuma and San Diego, and his
efforts had everything to do with that. My apologies if anyone else was
involved and I haven't acknowledged them.) It was Tony's and my first
Borrego Blast, and we've agreed that we'll definitely be back for more.
Looking ahead...this is a friendly reminder that Tony and I need your
RSVPs for next Saturday's planning party and dessert potluck, if you're
planning to attend. In addition to the ride schedule for the next few
months, we're going to be discussing some possible new directions,
activities and benefits, as well as some proposed changes to the dues
structure. In particular, we're looking for ways to reach more
tandemists and to create activities that cater to more riders'
interests. If you haven't already marked the date on your calendar, we
hope you will, and then call us or drop us a line to let us know you'll
be there. We need to figure out how many plates, forks, drinks, etc. we
need.
We also need volunteers to lead rides, as we're plum out of scheduled
rides at the moment. If you can't come but would like to lead a ride
sometime between February 1 and June 1, please let us know, so we can
reserve a date in the calendar for you.
Hope to see lots of you here at SDTC World Headquarters on Saturday!
Oh--and if you haven't sent in your membership application and dues for
2007, please do!
Sarah
P.S. I'm attaching the party notice again, which has all the
particulars. If you have additional questions, feel free to contact us,
but FYI, I'm on a deadline until Thursday afternoon and may not reply
right away, so Tony may be a better bet if you're in a hurry. You can
reach him at 858-509-9808 or tony@....
It looks like the weather has finaly stabilized and will be warming up (!) for this weeks tandem gathering at the Borrego Springs Resort (www.borregospringsresort.com). Abundant sunshine with light winds and highs in the upper 60's are now predicted. It will probably be a little nippy when we first roll off at 9 AM each morning, but should warm up quickly to very pleasant riding temps. It should be a beautiful weekend so I encourage everyone, tandem or single to come down and join our massive tandem peloton for one or both days. Saturday's ride will be a relatively flat and fast 55 miler to Salton City and back with the option to reverse direction at any time for a shorter ride. Sunday's loop ride, although shorter at about 32 miles, will include a 5 mile climb of 800' Yaqui pass rewarded by about 20 miles of mostly downhill riding. This ride has resulted in some truly
e-ticket paceline riding in the past and looks to deliver more of the same this time!
We will form up for our rides both Saturday and Sunday mornings at 8:45 in front of the Arches Restaurant at the Borrego Springs Resort. After greetings and announcements, we hope to roll off promptly at 9:00 AM so be sure to give yourselves plenty of time to get ready. People are welcome for form up earlier for more chit chat and greetings. Route sheets and (hopefully) maps will be provided for each day's ride.
For those who have signed up for the buffet lunch on Saturday, serving will start in the Arches Restaurant at the resort after the ride at about 1:30 PM. Sam and Sherry Powell will be at the door to check you in. As far as I know, at this time, it will not be possible to add anyone else onto the buffet list, so if you havn't notified me and/or sent in your check you should make other plans for lunch.
Meals the rest of the weekend will be on your own with breakfast being included for those staying at the resort.
Well, that's about it. Please bear in mine that this is an informal gathering of bicycle riders. No entry or signup fee has been charged and you are participating under your own free will AND AT YOUR OWN RISK. There is no insurance coverage for this event. We all know that cycling (and life for that matter) carries a certain element of risk, so lets all ride safely and have a great weekend!
Don't hesitate to call or email me with any questions, problems, or concerns. Trudie and I will be arriving in Borrego fairly late on Friday so we'll probably see most of you a breakfast and at the form-up for Saturday's ride.
Some of you may be experiencing email bounce-backs from the "sandiegotandem.org" (like from "prez@...) recently.
This doesn't seem to be universal, but we've gotten some reports of problems and our hosting ISP has also reported some email downtime today.
If you have difficulty reaching us at the "prez" or "treas" email addresses, then please RSVP to sarah@..., which doesn't seem to have any problems getting through.
Hi everyone.
Attached is a notice about the San Diego Tandem Club's January 27
planning party and dessert potluck. In addition to the ride schedule for
the next few months, we're planning to brainstorm ideas for some
longer-term directions for the club, so please try to come if you want
to have a say. All relevant info should be in the notice, but let us
know if you have any more questions, and please RSVP if you're planning
to be there.
Hope to see lots of you at the party, and also next weekend at the
Borrego Blast.
Sarah
P.S. As usual, all paid members for 2007 will also receive the notices
via snail mail, though tomorrow's holiday is delaying the mailing. If
you don't receive a notice by the end of the week, it means you're not
paid for 2007, so please send in your dues and waiver ASAP! Thanks!
Attached is the final list of those people planning to attend the buffet lunch at Borrego. If you think I've made a mistake, please let me know ASAP so I can correct it with the resort by Monday. In the meantime, I am mailing a check to the resort for $764.54 for the 43 people that have paid for the lunch. Thanks for bearing with me on this bit of bureaucracy!
The long range forecast for the Borrego Blast shows awesome weather; sunny, with a high of 71 and a low of 40! This is indeed great news! We can't help but have a good time! See you all there!!
Dear Bicycling Friends
Cindy and I have enjoyed the Tour de Palm Springs the past two years
and thought we would encourage other SDTC members to participate. We
are not up to 100 miles so we will be doing the 50 mile ride.
The Tour de Palm Springs is on February 10. Details and registration
can be found at this website, http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?
event_id=1361762
I have reserved ten rooms at the Comfort Inn, 390 South Indian Canyon
Drive, Palm Springs for February 9 and 10. This year's Tour starts
just down the street from the hotel. The group reservation rate is
$100/night. Reservations can be made by calling Judy Miller at 888
322-1997. Please tell her you are with the R2R group. If you make a
reservation please email me so that I can keep track of the number of
rooms that remain with our group reservation. Rooms are on a first
come first serve basis.
As we get closer to the date we will put together a group dinner for
Friday night. No obligation, we will make the reservations for those
that are interested in joining us.
Dennis Spillane
dennisspillane@...
Our weekend is fast approaching! I've had a welcome surge of "check's in the mail" from those of you planning to participate in the postride lunch buffet on Saturday. There are currently 19 tandem teams signed up for the buffet (of about 30 planning to do the rides). An updated list of those I have received checks from is attached to this message. If you decide you want to join in on the lunch, this is the last call! I will be sending in the money along with the number of people we want lunch for to the resort this coming Friday. I will need to hear from you and/or have your check by then in order for you to be included.
Enough harping on buffet! Now, lets all just hope and pray for great weather! Rain is highly unlikely in the desert, but if we should get unlucky and have windy weather, we will have alternative route sheets that should minimize (and in fact take advantage
of) most windy conditions. Be sure to be prepared for all temperatures as the desert can be very cold in the morning when we start out and quite warm later on in the day when we return.
Many of you I have spoken with are really excited about our upcoming weekend of winter riding in the desert. It should be a great time! See you then!
Hi All,
Dolores Wells and I are planning to ride tandem again in the Tour de
Palm Springs.
Usually we start just about 5 minutes before the official start time,
and just a couple of blocks ahead of the official starting line.
This seems to work best for us from a saftety stand point.
Generally we do this every year. The starting point has changed, as
I hear they are no longer using the High School, so I don't know
exactly where that will be, but it should be easy to find. All you
have to do is look for a cluster of Tandems, and the North County
Cycle Club Jerseys.
Such awful bandits are we!
Anyway, we also get together at the same eatery the night before.
Tranditionally that has been the California Pizza Kitchen.
So, we look forward and welcome other tandems joining us all on the
ride.
Meantime, ride safe and ride happy.
Best regards,
Greg P.
Response has been good for the Saturday lunch buffet following yesterday's reminder announcement. Thanks to all!
Several people have suggested that holding a late lunch buffet and then an evening potluck on the same day may be a little too much. After talking it over, those of us organizing this event tend to agree. We've decided to make things easier on everyone by canceling the evening potluck. In its place, we are suggesting that people gather Saturday evening at Pablito's Mexican Bar & Grill in Borrego for no host appetizers, drinks and dinner if you like. We are hoping that this move will encourage even more people to sign up for the post ride lunch buffet.
If you have any further questions or suggestions regarding the Borrego Blast, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Well, that went quick. After several months of looking, it all came
together in one day. We found a Cannondale MT800 today on ebay and
bought it. How's that for living dangerously, though after Monday's
traffic on Monday's ride, ANYTHING seems tame. Those who were there
know what I mean. : )
Karl and Kathy
Hi Dave, thanks for the thoughts. The da Vinci is a fascinating bike.
karl
--- In SanDiegoTandem@yahoogroups.com, "dave987321" <dbox0001@...> wrote:
>
> I would consider da Vinci (http://www.davincitandems.com/). One of
> the limiting factors for an off-road tandem is running out of low end
> gearing. The da Vinci design allows for much lower (and higher)
> gearing. I have briefly ridden a da Vinci, and it seemed like a solid
> bike.
>
> Before we bought our tandem (10 years ago), I rented a Cannondale
> MT1000. I was unimpressed. It may have just been the condition of
> the one I rode, but I wouldn't consider this bike for more than casual
> rides around the park. The components were fairly low end and in
> constant need of adjustment. We ultimately choose a CoMotion. (Da
> Vinci was not available then.) Since then I meet some friends that
> recently sold their Cannondale and bought a CoMotion which they like
> much better.
>
> Dave
> Littleton, CO
>
I would consider da Vinci (http://www.davincitandems.com/). One of
the limiting factors for an off-road tandem is running out of low end
gearing. The da Vinci design allows for much lower (and higher)
gearing. I have briefly ridden a da Vinci, and it seemed like a solid
bike.
Before we bought our tandem (10 years ago), I rented a Cannondale
MT1000. I was unimpressed. It may have just been the condition of
the one I rode, but I wouldn't consider this bike for more than casual
rides around the park. The components were fairly low end and in
constant need of adjustment. We ultimately choose a CoMotion. (Da
Vinci was not available then.) Since then I meet some friends that
recently sold their Cannondale and bought a CoMotion which they like
much better.
Dave
Littleton, CO
Thanks to all for the great experience New Years day, we learned a
lot. Special thanks to Sam and Sherri.
Kathy and I are actively looking for a "hardtail" (unsuspended) "Off-
Road" tandem. We have found several on-line but are hoping to find
something that we could actually ride before buying. We're in Yuma
AZ, and are willing to drive up to 4 hours to test-ride a likely
candidate.
The Cannondale MT800, MT1000, MT2000 and MT4000 are all candidates.
We have found several for under $1000, though we might change out
hubs and such if we bought one of these, and so would spend more for
something with better componants.
We would consider another brand, but have not seen anything in this
price range with the stiffness and lightness we want.
Size M/S in Cannondale fits us well, though we have ridden larger
bikes that worked well too.
We are not interested in a road bike. : )
Contact us at kkingersoll@...
PS - Hwy 52 is open for cyclists.
Dec 15, 2006
Got a call today from Caltrans - the SR 52 shoulder has been reopened to
bicyclists! And 5 days early, which is a nice early holiday bonus. :-)
They'll be doing some restriping of the lanes in the next few weeks,
but the
shoulders will stay open for bike traffic.
Have fun riding!
Kathy
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Kathy Keehan
Executive Director
San Diego County Bicycle Coalition
P.O. Box 34544
San Diego, CA 92163
858.487.6063
execdir@... <mailto:execdir@...>
Begin forwarded message:
> From: David White <dawhite@...>
> Date: January 2, 2007 4:37:34 PM PST
> To: wmalma54@...
> Cc: Prez@..., CHegey@..., dwhite7@...
> Subject: Small stoker ideas
>
>
> Hi Bill - Some ideas for you and your grand-daughter.
>
> Bike Friday has a line of tandems that are small and custom fit.
> http://www.bikefriday.com/tandemprimer
>
> Crank shorteners can be used to adjust a tandem for short people or
> short legs.
> http://www.tandemseast.com/parts/cranks.html
>
> Program recommendation: City of San Diego Park & Rec, Therapeutic
> Recreation Services has a great monthly tandem ride program for
> stokers with all kinds of physical and developmental disabilities. I
> have volunteered as a captain with tandem for many
> years and can highly recommend the program and the leader, Connie
> Hegey 619-525-8247. The next scheduled ride is 10:30-12:30 at Lake
> Miramar this saturday 6 Jan; and 17 Feb at Santee lakes. If you come
> out, you will see a variety of tandems that are
> suited or adapted for special needs. We can also put you in touch
> with designers of special bikes and tandems.
> http://www.sandiego.gov/park-and-recreation/activities/dsa.shtml
>
> Its great that you introduced young family members to cycling and the
> enjoyment of a peloton. If the interest sticks, check out our
> combination ride and afternoon at the ballpark in April. Its called
> Pedal to the Park and its for all ages and abilities;
> a great family outing.
> http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?event_id=1376660
>
> Safe and happy riding in '07
> Dave White
> dwhite7@...
> 619-881-5765
>
> From View message header detailSarah
> Lifton <prez@...>
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> Sent Tuesday, January 2, 2007 3:10 pm
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> To SDTC Yahoo
> <SanDiegoTandem@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Cc
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> Subject [SanDiegoTandem] [Fwd: Route 52]
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> Hi everyone. Some info from a list member, and also
> a request for info.
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> Sarah
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> Subject:
> Route 52
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> Date:
> Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:55:05 -0800
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> From:
> William A. Riggs <wmalma54@...>
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> To:
> <Prez@...>
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> I notice that you have a ride planned in Feb that
> will take you across Route
> 52. There was recent notice of the bike lane being
> closed for repair work
> and it seemed that it would remian cloed for some
> time.
>
> Might want to check with CalTrans or San Diebo Bike
> Coalition about this.
>
> I am also looking for some info about a stoker kit
> for a Cannondale Tandem
> and have pasted a copy of an email I have sent to
> Cannondale with the
> thought of asking that you please forward this to
> your members to see if
> anyone might have already attmepted what I'm trying
> to do.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> I have just bought a Cannondale Tandem, Product
> Code # 5rtxm/blu.
>
> I would like to add a child stoker kit so my
> disabled granddaughter can ride
> with me when I take her older brother and cousins
> for bike rides. She has
> had multiple leg surgerys over the last 4 to 5
> years and is an eleven year
> old girl that desperatly needs the excersize and
> and to have opportunities
> as close to those as normal kids her age and I hope
> this will help her with
> some of these. Her disablility prevents her limbs
> from growing
> proportionatly to the rest of her body. At her age
> the tallest bike she can
> presently ride is a 16" BMX frame, so if we finds
> that she likes cycling and
> wants to try and keep up with her brother and
> cousins I will need to find a
> way to customize a road bike for her out of
> something smaller than the
> normal road bike.
>
> I have told all of this in hopes that it generates
> a little extra motivation
> for your technical staff to find positive answers
> that will help me with my
> need. With a couple of $50.00 Craigslist beaters I
> have just introduced her
> 12 year old brother and cousin to road bikes via
> the Boy Scout merit
> badge.They have taken to this style of cycling
> enthusiastically and were
> simply amazed when on there second ride to wind up
> as part of a 150 bike
> pelethon on a local bike clubs annual Christmas toy
> drive. The boys are
> hooked and I hope to be able to include my
> granddaughter with your help.
>
> The kits I am finding will fit seat tubes up 1.25
> inches (generic brands)
> and the model Santana sells will fit tubes up to
> 31.9 mm.
>
> My calibers are not the best and I measure the
> Cannondale rear seat tube
> outside diameter (OD) to be 32 mm which makes it
> just a skosh to large for
> either of the kits.
>
> Could you please tell the actual OD of the rear
> seat tube.
>
> Also are you aware of any child stoker kits that I
> can use on my Cannondale.
>
> I got an awesome deal on this so if I have to sell
> it and look for a
> different brand I am sure I can get what I paid and
> maybe a bit more but
> would rather not. This is a really sweet riding
> bike and I would like to be
> able to do what I need to with my new Cannondale.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Bill Riggs
> San Diego, CA
> Cell 619-922-2809
>
>
>
>
>
To San Diego Tandem Club!
Bike for Peace, Norway is planning a the bicycle tour in 2008
from Jaeren/Norway - Oslo - Stockholm - boat to Helsinki - biking to
Vyborg - St. Petersburg - Novgorod - Moscow. From Moscow we go to
Jekaterinburg - Alma Aty - Xian - Beijing (see the enclosed route), in the
period from 5 April to 3 August
We should like to have people from your club to participate,
women and men.
So far we have 20-40 people interested in this tour but I do not know how
many will participate the whole way
Wish you a Happy New Year !!!!!
Best regards
Tore Naerland
Mauritz Kartevolds veg 17
leil 204, 4340 Bryne
tlf 51 48 77 77
www.bikeforpeace.no
e-mail: tore.naerland@...
International Ride 2008, Jaeren/Norway -Stockholm -Helsinki-St.Petersburg -
Moscow- Alma Ata - Xi'an - Beijing (Olimpic Games Capital) 5 April - 3
August.
Bike for Peace is an organisation based in Norway that seeks to
initiate and develop a grassroots concern for the local environment, as well
as creating an understanding of the national and global consequences of the
actions of individuals, communities and campaigns.
The first campaign was run in 1978 in Northern Ireland.
We work for peace and our common
environment, across the division of religion and nation, language and
culture.
In 1983 Bike for Peace organized a peace ride from Moscow to Oslo,
then by plane to New York - Washington D.C. There were 20 people from the
ex-Soviet Union and 20 people from Scandinavia and USA as participants.
In 1999 Bike for Peace organized Worldwide ride 1999 from Beijing through
China, Kazakhstan, Russia, Finland, Sweden and Norway - 11, 470 km. The
slogan was "No to nuclear weapon, yes to peace and disarmament"
In 2008 we are planning a World ride Jaeren/Norway- Beijing (5 April - 3
August 2008)
Co-operators of the tour are: Handicapped, bicycle and
friendship organisations, peace organisations, local communities, churches,
etc.
In China we cooperate with "A Subsidiary of China International", In
Kasakhstan - the Cultural Departament of Kasakhstan; in Russia - the Russian
Cycling Touring Club.
The slogans are:1. No to nuclear weapon East or West,
North or South2. Support the victims of Semipalatinsk, Nevada, Chernobyl3.
Bike for peace and disarmament4. Bike for health, happiness and
environment 5. Sport for all
Local Program: Along the route we arrange
meetings with politicians, schools, Institutions for disabled, leaders in
different organisations, peace and bikeorganisations, mass media We plan to
have a core group of 20-40 people to bike from Norway to ChinaPeople from
many countries can participate and bike different stages: Jaeren - Moscow,
Moscow-Alma Ata, Alma Ata - Beijing.
We want local cyclists to bike with us each day.
We will have singers with us as a cultural program.
Bryne, 29 December 2006
Yours sincerely,
Tore Naerland, leader of Bike for
Peace;
Mauritz Kartevolds veg 17
leil 204, 4340 Bryne, Norway
tlf + 47 51 48 77 77
www.bikeforpeace.no
e-mail: tore.naerland@...