Hi All,

I'm new to this group, so please excuse me if this question has been
asked before.  I tried a search, but didn't find much.

Besides Kirk's Bikes, and Grand Bicycles, are there any other shops in
San Diego that cater to tandems?  Does anyone know if Grand Bicycles
is still open?

I'm looking to purchase one of those independant pedal systems for
tandems, which allow the captain and/or stoker to pedal at different
RPMs.  I need the type with the freewheeling chainrings, and the
synchronizing ring on the right side.  This is for a personal project
I am building.

Thanks in advance for you help!
Vay

I recalled that one couple had a setup like that.  They hung their tandem on
the hitch-mounted rear rack.  They were cited by the cops because their bike
extended a foot on both sides.  I understand that the legal limit is six
inches.  You might check this out before committing to a hitch-mounted rear
rack.

I, myself, use a Thule tandem rack where the front bracket pivots.  You
install the front fork on the bracket and it turns as you lift the rear end
of the bike on to the V-groove.  However, we have a SUV which makes it
necessary to prop up the rear end by about foot so that the fork will reach
the bracket.  But, I do not worry about being pulled over.

Also, even with single bikes, I have had problems with hills (think Laural
Street) and driveways with rather sharp bends that if a bike is too far out
on the hitch-mounted rear rack, the tire will hit the surface and literally
get lifted right off the rack!

And one more thing:  Watch that exhaust!!  There will be hot air coming out
of it.  I've had a tire blown from heat expansion generated by the car's
exhaust.

--Steve McNeil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Willetts" <ben@...>
To: "Fred Chambers" <regenerative@...>
Cc: <SanDiegoTandem@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SanDiegoTandem] Rack ideas?


> On our 4-runner we use a hitch-mounted rear rack, as Chris suggested.
> Swear by it.
>
> On our Corrola, though, we use a regular ol' trunk mounted strap-on
> rack, the kind that hooks onto the trunk hinge joint and under the
> back bumper. Will your hatch back accept one of those racks? Ours
> probably cost in the $40 range.
>
> The bike does stick out past both sides of the car, even with the
> front wheel/bars turned 90 degrees, but we just watch those side-view
> mirrors and have not had any problems. As one might expect, it's a
> little wobblier than with a single bike, but the balance point of our
> bike is very near its center so it's not precariously unstable or
> anything. It holds just fine on surface streets & freeways. We've
> driven this setup to LA and back no problem. I personally might not
> plan for it on bumpy gravel/dirt roads if it's that kind of camping
> you plan, just because it might get to wiggling and the rack could
> possibly do some cosmetic damage to the vehicle. Our rack is actually
> pretty old and relatively wimpy, so a new unit might even dispel
> those concerns. But like I said, for regular roads, can't beat the
> price and minimal hassle.
>
> --Ben (& Jenny)
>
> On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Fred Chambers wrote:
>
> >
> > Hey again tandem buddies,
> >
> > My wife and I own a hatchback.  (BTW:  I recently promoted one of my
> > girlfriend captains to wife, and she promptly broke her
> > foot.  ;-)  :-(   I forget whether I mentioned the wife
> > development...)
> >
> > On to the topic at hand:  tandem racks!  Our car is a cool little VW
> > GTI.  We can fit our KHS Alite mtnbike in the car, with the back seat
> > folded down.  That works for day trips.  How about for camping?  Has
> > anyone come up with an affordable, flexible rooftop rack solution for
> > a little hatchback?
> >
> > When I ride with my other captains, they've got little SUVs, and
> > we've whipped-up good tandem racks bolting angle iron to the existing
> > roof racks.  This GTI doesn't have any roof rack...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fred
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

On our 4-runner we use a hitch-mounted rear rack, as Chris suggested.
Swear by it.

On our Corrola, though, we use a regular ol' trunk mounted strap-on
rack, the kind that hooks onto the trunk hinge joint and under the
back bumper. Will your hatch back accept one of those racks? Ours
probably cost in the $40 range.

The bike does stick out past both sides of the car, even with the
front wheel/bars turned 90 degrees, but we just watch those side-view
mirrors and have not had any problems. As one might expect, it's a
little wobblier than with a single bike, but the balance point of our
bike is very near its center so it's not precariously unstable or
anything. It holds just fine on surface streets & freeways. We've
driven this setup to LA and back no problem. I personally might not
plan for it on bumpy gravel/dirt roads if it's that kind of camping
you plan, just because it might get to wiggling and the rack could
possibly do some cosmetic damage to the vehicle. Our rack is actually
pretty old and relatively wimpy, so a new unit might even dispel
those concerns. But like I said, for regular roads, can't beat the
price and minimal hassle.

--Ben (& Jenny)

On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Fred Chambers wrote:

>
> Hey again tandem buddies,
>
> My wife and I own a hatchback.  (BTW:  I recently promoted one of my
> girlfriend captains to wife, and she promptly broke her
> foot.  ;-)  :-(   I forget whether I mentioned the wife
> development...)
>
> On to the topic at hand:  tandem racks!  Our car is a cool little VW
> GTI.  We can fit our KHS Alite mtnbike in the car, with the back seat
> folded down.  That works for day trips.  How about for camping?  Has
> anyone come up with an affordable, flexible rooftop rack solution for
> a little hatchback?
>
> When I ride with my other captains, they've got little SUVs, and
> we've whipped-up good tandem racks bolting angle iron to the existing
> roof racks.  This GTI doesn't have any roof rack...
>
> Thanks,
> Fred

I have responded to Bob.

Rich
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sarah Lifton
   To: SDTC Yahoo
   Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:05 PM
   Subject: [SanDiegoTandem] [Fwd: Getting to the train station]


   Can anyone help Bob? (Reply directly to him.)

   Sarah

   -------- Original Message -------- Subject:  Getting to the train station
         Date:  Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:45:57 -0800 (PST)
         From:  Bob Wallace <bobwallacegolfercyclist@...>
         To:  sarah@...



   Good morning Sarah,
     I will be riding from San Luis Obispo to San Diego in April.  Could you
tell me the best way to go from the bike trail (after Gilman Rd) to the
train station at Kettner blvd  Thank you.  BW


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Affordable is the catch.  A Yakima or Thule rack with extenders works
very well, but will cost about $500 including the tandem mount.  It's
also not really removable.  Otherwise, hitch mounted racks by Badger
work very well, though the GTI is not exactly the typical hitch mount
car.


Chris



On 1/27/06, Fred Chambers <regenerative@...> wrote:
>
> Hey again tandem buddies,
>
> My wife and I own a hatchback.  (BTW:  I recently promoted one of my
> girlfriend captains to wife, and she promptly broke her
> foot.  ;-)  :-(   I forget whether I mentioned the wife development...)
>
> On to the topic at hand:  tandem racks!  Our car is a cool little VW
> GTI.  We can fit our KHS Alite mtnbike in the car, with the back seat
> folded down.  That works for day trips.  How about for camping?  Has
> anyone come up with an affordable, flexible rooftop rack solution for
> a little hatchback?
>
> When I ride with my other captains, they've got little SUVs, and
> we've whipped-up good tandem racks bolting angle iron to the existing
> roof racks.  This GTI doesn't have any roof rack...
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a
majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno

Hey again tandem buddies,

My wife and I own a hatchback.  (BTW:  I recently promoted one of my
girlfriend captains to wife, and she promptly broke her
foot.  ;-)  :-(   I forget whether I mentioned the wife development...)

On to the topic at hand:  tandem racks!  Our car is a cool little VW
GTI.  We can fit our KHS Alite mtnbike in the car, with the back seat
folded down.  That works for day trips.  How about for camping?  Has
anyone come up with an affordable, flexible rooftop rack solution for
a little hatchback?

When I ride with my other captains, they've got little SUVs, and
we've whipped-up good tandem racks bolting angle iron to the existing
roof racks.  This GTI doesn't have any roof rack...

Thanks,
Fred

Hi all,

Ya, if you recall, I was the stoker with a new KHS Alite, running fat
Richie knobbies for offroad.  The rear wheel seemed to come out of
true after each hard ride...

I took it back to Chuck at Pacific Coast Cycles, and he noticed that
the rear wheel wasn't dished properly.  Since I bought the bike
through him, he fixed it for nothing, though it took a long time in
the truing stand.  He blamed KHS, and partly himself for not
double-checking their work.

Since, the bike's been a dream.  We pound through potholes, hammer up
rocky trails, and the fat knobby hasn't rubbed yet.  It is kinda
frustrating that I had to take it in so frequently, but I am sure
glad that it is fixed.

We've been riding around Lake Hodges each weekend morning, more or
less.  It's super fun, out there early, with almost no one
else.  Chilly though!  I'm glad I'm not the captain!
;-)
Fred

Here's the latest info on the upcoming Borrego Blast Tandem Weekend,
Jan 21 & 22 at the Borrego Springs Resort, www.borregospringsresort.com.

There are currently 33 teams from San Diego, L.A., and Yuma planning to
attend the weekend! Other's are welcome to come at the last minute, but
should inform me by email, kirksbik@..., particularly if you
plan to attend Saturday's buffet lunch, so that I can inform the
restaurant of how many to expect.

Both Saturday's and Sunday's ride are scheduled to roll off from the
cul-de-sac in front of the Arches restarant at the Borrego Springs
Resort at 9 AM. Please plan to start assembling there by 8:30 AM to
allow time for annoucements, socializing, and photos (some cycling
press expected). Saturdays ride is a 60 miler to the Salton Sea and
back with just enough climbing (and subsequent downhill) to keep it
interesting. As this is primarily an out and back route, teams can
reverse direction at any time for a shorter ride distance. At mile 55
(and after 1 PM)there will be a soup, sandwich, salad & desert luncheon
served for us at the Crosswinds Steakhouse at the Borrego Airport. This
looks to be an enjoyable event, with quality fare and our complete run
of the open restaurant & bar area, along with the upstairs observation
deck. Cost of the luncheon is $15/person, payable at the door. This
price is all inclusive, with only alcoholic beverages costing extra.
Please support this event, as I have guaranteed the restaurant a 50
person minimum (which should be no problem with over 65 people doing
the ride).

Saturday evening, the MASCOTS are orgainizing a happy hour/potluck
which will be held outdoors at the Anza Borrego State Park Palm Canyon
campground. There will also be a group campfire at this gathering.
Watch for further announcements regarding this event.

Sunday's ride will be shorter (30 miles), but will climb 5 mile Yaqui
Pass. This ride recieved rave reviews 2 years ago, as the subesquent
long decent can truly be described as "E-ticket"!

For those arriving early on Friday and looking for something to do on
Friday evening, the high quality local community theater is
showing "Underpants" a comedy written by Steve Martin. Their website is
at www.bspac.us .

Route slips, along with altitude profiles, will be made available
online next week. This should be a great weekend! Trudie and I look
forward to seeing and riding with all of you then.

Kirk and Trudie Newell
kirksbik@...
cell: 760-390-1555
www.kirksbikeshop.com

What rim are you using?  On a mountain tandem a 36 hole Sun Rhyno Lite
is a good rim.  If you are using good rims and spokes, then the fault
is likely your wheelbuilder.

Chris



2006/1/9, Fred Chambers <regenerative@...>:
>
> How often do your wheels go out of true?
>
> I bought a new KHS Alite mtnbike tandem last Spring.  I seem to have to
> re-true the rear wheel after every mountainbike ride.  Sometimes, we break
> spokes, so get new ones while the wheel is in the shop.  Is this re-truing
> normal?  Is it a byproduct of each spoke we replace?
>
> This bike has 26" wheels, with 40-spoke rims.  I'm the stoker, and weigh
> about 165-lbs, and my captains vary between lightweight hottie chicks and
> big burley guys:  110 - 300-lbs, respectilvely.  The guys ride with me more,
> so we probably are pushing the bikes limits...
>
> Also, we broke a new (as new as the bike) rear deraileur.  Is this just a
> part of mountainbiking, or should Shimano cover this under warranty?  (I
> think it was a Shimano XTS, which we replaced with an LX for now.)
>
> Hope to make it to one of the SDTC rides!
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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Several Tandem Club members have expressed interest in the Park &
Recreation tandem ride program or the subgroup we call VISTA = Visually
Impaired Stoker Tandem Alliance.

The concept is simple and the experience is rewarding; matching up
sighted captains with unsighted stokers for a bike ride.  The program
is scheduled in area locations one saturday a month (2 hours)
throughout the year.  Captains may volunteer with or without your
tandem, and as often or occasional to suit your busy schedule.

The SD Tandem Club is the most naturally suited collection of local
cyclists in a position to share their skills and take a new friend for
a ride.  If you have any interest, simply contact one of the following
for more information:

Dave White  dwhite7@...
Connie Hegey, SDP&R Program Director 619-236-7772

2006 P&R Therapeutic Recreation Services Tandem Rides:

Jan 7    Lake Miramar
Feb 11    Santee Lakes
Mar 11  Lake Murray
April 8   Lake Miramar
May 6    North Crown Point Shores
June 3   Fiesta Island
July 8    Quivira Basin
Aug 5    Mission Bay Park
Sept 9   Fiesta Island
Oct 7     Embarcadero
Nov 11  Santee Lakes
Dec 16   Lake Murray

Please note that I am NOT the ride leader. Sam and Sherry Powell are. Please
direct all questions to them.

sam@...
or 760 271 1251

Happy New Year

Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Powell" <sampowell@...>
To: "Richard Wolf" <rich@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: New Year's Day Ride


> This ride may be cancelled because of weather conditions so keep an eye on
> the news. Presently the forcast is rain New Years Eve. I also changed the
> start time to 10am to accomodate those distant riders.
>
> Here's a classic 45 mile loop to kick 2006 off right.
> Start will be at Santa Ysabel - the dirt parking lot behind the
> Julian Pie Company. Try and get there around 9:45...
>
> Wheels Roll at 10am
>
>
> Starting at Santa Ysabel we'll wind up 78 to Wynola Road then across
> Julian
> backcountry to Banner Grade. Then 7 miles of downhill to our first rest
> stop
> at Banner Queen Store. From there we'll head over the high desert through
> Cigarette hills  East to Scissors Crossing (San Felipe Rd).Then its a
> steady
> climb to the Teofulio summit and the Log Cabin Restaurant for water and
> rest
> stop. They may or may not be open so bring extra power bars. It's Downhill
> from there to 79 where we turn South back to Santa Ysabel for lunch.
>
> Profile and Map attached.......
>
>
> Lost? Late?
> 760 271 1251
> Sam & Sherry Powell
>

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We've had a good response from those planning to attend our ride and
party tomorrow. The weather gods, however, don't appear to be intirely
smiling on us, as the forcast calls for some cloudiness and a high of
only 63 degrees. Be sure to bring arm warmers, jackets, and maybe
tights. Hot soup and a warm house will be awaiting us after a brisk
ride. Those who have RSVP'd will recieve a route sheet via email.

See you tomorrow,

Trudie and Kirk

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Trudie and Kirk would like to invite you to our house this Sunday for
our second annual holiday ride and party. The pre-ride of our 30 mile
Ramona Tour last Sunday morning was incredibly beautiful and
invigorating! We can only hope for similar crisp clear weather for
this Sunday. Meet at our place in Ramona (not the bikeshop, our
house) at 9 AM in preparation for a leasurly 9:30 roll off. There
will be an option at 20 miles to head back to the house, kick back on
the porch and wait for the return of those doing the final 10 miles
which includes a climb up Hwy 67 and a 40+ mph blast down Archie
Moore Rd. Once we're all back at the house, we'll heat up the soup
(choice of Kirk's homemade Turkey Vegetable or Vegetarian Vegetable),
enjoy some hors d'erve (nuts included!) and sit down to soup, salads,
and deserts. Bring an hors d'erve (can't find this stupid word in
spell check!), salad, or desert. We'll have bottled water, sodas,
beer, and wine available. Those gluttons for punishment amoung us can
turn on the Charger game! Please RSVP by email or leave a message on
the home phone (760-789-3994) so that we'll know how many to expect.
Route sheets will be posted in a day or two. Trudie and I hope to see
you all on Sunday!

Happy Holidays!!,
Kirk and Trudie

Directions: From Interstate 15 in Poway, take Scripps Poway Parkway
east to the light at Hwy 67. Turn left on 67 towards Ramona and
follow into the Ramona valley to the light at Dye Rd. Turn right on
Dye Rd. and follow it through a series of manditory 90 degree turns
as it becomes Ramona St. and then Warnock Rd. to the light at San
Vicente Rd. Turn left onto San Vicente and continue 1/4 mile over a
slight rise in the road. At the down-side of the rise, enter the
lefthand turn lane and make a left onto Creelman lane (dirt road).
Our house is the only one, a block down on the left. Drive through
the open gates on the left after you pass the house and park to your
right, nose up against the fence facing away from the house. We'll be
a-sittin' on the porch a-waitn' for ya!