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#1257 From: "haygem8" <haygem8@...>
Date: Mon Jan 2, 2006 11:18 am
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hi matt came across this site over the xmas break interesting
reading the chap you are referring to is myself,
            you know one (I seen a picture of the guy who did the
512, (terrible form, I can' t believe they let him get away with
those, his knees were way out there)
            what you don,t know is the photos you have seen was done
for the local papers only I was asked to do lots of silly positions
from one arm to having
            one of the kids on my back etc etc if you look
carefully ,if its the photo I'm  sure it is,look at the guy to the
side it may give it away that the shot is
           set up, looks like a rabbit caught in the head lights,as I
now know from reading the messages on this site,you are aware I did
a 610 in one hour at the Vi-sport challenge in Belfast and  competed
in the comp at 01.30pm same day, the comp is based on the ultra-
fit,there was some of the top x trainers in the world (hywel didn't
come) and to do the above in front of your peers
          who would be the first to find fault if there was any,even
the judges discounted a few ,I appreciate you could only voice your
opinion on the photo ,but I do think
          you should be more certain of your facts before you post a
message rubbishing someone you don't know,all the more so as your
name Matt carries a lot of
           respect on this site ,from the messages I've read,the
people at Guinness have been in the records business,for a number of
years and are more than happy
          with my form which is tight and tidy (English term) and
full straight line body at the end of each rep,sorry to go on but if
someone posts messages about me I feel I have the right to reply.
          ps have been looking at the strend site ,i must agree with
hywel looks a great comp will give it a go even if its just for the
training it would be a good work out,just one more thing
          when i first broke the record in jan i didn't do any
specific training i phoned GWR on the Friday to check out the record
which was still 445 and on the Saturday i tried it and did it with
ease so I phoned back on the Monday and asked for the form so I
could do the thing as per GWR rules when it was posted on the box-
fit Hywel was the first to tell me that you was the
true  champ as I only did 512 and you had done 522 after a few
emails we agreed to disagree but your record was never accepted by
GWR why was this? it could have been down to just
         incorrect paperwork who knows, well it's been nice emailing
you and look forward to your reply, all the best and a happy new
year to you and your family and all who visits this message.

            regards   Steve and family  would love to see the video
of your 50 pull ups i think hywel may have a copy

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#1256 From: Matt Bogdanowicz <skate_94538@...>
Date: Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:37 am
Subject: Re: Happy New year 		skate_94538
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Stephen,

   For training or WR attempt?   If I were attempting a WR I would take 13-10
reps per minute and rest for 40 seconds, so after about 15 minutes one would
have 180 reps.  Pretty easy to do in practice, but once you go beyond 25-30
minutes, there were times I would do a set of 7 or 8 then rest 20 seconds and a
set of 3 or 4, until the end when you get real tired and the last ten minutes is
like two sets of 4.  But who knows everyone is different, perhaps you can do 5
sets of 2 and it would be easier on the body.  To be honest I have not tried
that because it seems like it would take more time letting go stepping away from
the bar and then starting again from a dead hang.

   The guy who did 644 did 379 in the first 30 minutes, and I agree the first 30
minutes one should attempt to get ahead so to speak, but he only did 265 in the
last 30 minutes.  A record attempt should be a little more even like 350 and
300.

   I have just read he is attempting 700!  in May-June.  Now that would be
something.  I don't know if I could top that, but honestly the record belongs at
732 or higher, as Jack Lalanne did 1000 in 82 minutes 45 years ago, before
records were kept and stricter standards applied.

   Matt




stephen wilber <stevie720@...> wrote:
   Hi There Matt. Happy new year to you too..
   Just a question..do  you do your reps in sets of say 10 and then rest for 30
seconds to do your max test in an hour or what? I just wondered how that was
done.
   I have been just goofing around with reps and found a way to do 10 per minute
and I am able to do that for about 15-20 min..I just started it recently and
wanted see how it can help add to ones rep max..
   thanks
   steve

Matt <skate_94538@...> wrote:
   Just want to wish everyone a Happy New year and a healthy one,
I hope you achieve all your fitness goals.

Looks like I better shoot for 650 next year.  (chins and pull ups are
the same for their record purposes)

From:  (remember in this alternative record, they make no distinction
between chins and pulls, so a guy who does 644 technically could have
been doing sets of both, in which case it would be easier)  I like the
sticter rules and palms forward wide grip.  As far as I know it was
Hylund who has a 610 count that is going through Guinness as we speak)
http://icsurreyonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/sutton/tm_objectid=164270
37&method=full&siteid=53340&headline=chin-up--steve--you-re-a-winner-
name_page.html#story_continue


Remy Vidal (France) did 379 chin-ups in 30 minutes on 20 December 2004.
Guy Schott (USA) did 379 chin-ups in 30 minutes as well en route to his
one-hour record (644) on 22 Oct 2005.

http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html

1. The most chin-up in one hour (644) were done by Guy Schott (USA) on
22 October 2005.

Previous verified claims
1. The most chin-up in one hour (573) were done by Stephen Hyland (UK)
on 6 August 2005.
2. The most chin-up in one hour (565) were done by Remy Vidal (France)
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#1255 From: stephen wilber <stevie720@...>
Date: Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:42 am
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Hi There Matt. Happy new year to you too..
   Just a question..do  you do your reps in sets of say 10 and then rest for 30
seconds to do your max test in an hour or what? I just wondered how that was
done.
   I have been just goofing around with reps and found a way to do 10 per minute
and I am able to do that for about 15-20 min..I just started it recently and
wanted see how it can help add to ones rep max..
   thanks
   steve

Matt <skate_94538@...> wrote:
   Just want to wish everyone a Happy New year and a healthy one,
I hope you achieve all your fitness goals.

Looks like I better shoot for 650 next year.  (chins and pull ups are
the same for their record purposes)

From:  (remember in this alternative record, they make no distinction
between chins and pulls, so a guy who does 644 technically could have
been doing sets of both, in which case it would be easier)  I like the
sticter rules and palms forward wide grip.  As far as I know it was
Hylund who has a 610 count that is going through Guinness as we speak)
http://icsurreyonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/sutton/tm_objectid=164270
37&method=full&siteid=53340&headline=chin-up--steve--you-re-a-winner-
name_page.html#story_continue


Remy Vidal (France) did 379 chin-ups in 30 minutes on 20 December 2004.
Guy Schott (USA) did 379 chin-ups in 30 minutes as well en route to his
one-hour record (644) on 22 Oct 2005.

http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html

1. The most chin-up in one hour (644) were done by Guy Schott (USA) on
22 October 2005.

Previous verified claims
1. The most chin-up in one hour (573) were done by Stephen Hyland (UK)
on 6 August 2005.
2. The most chin-up in one hour (565) were done by Remy Vidal (France)
on 20 December 2004.









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#1254 From: "Matt" <skate_94538@...>
Date: Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:29 am
Subject: Happy New year 		skate_94538
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Just want to wish everyone a Happy New year and a healthy one,
I hope you achieve all your fitness goals.

Looks like I better shoot for 650 next year.  (chins and pull ups are
the same for their record purposes)

From:  (remember in this alternative record, they make no distinction
between chins and pulls, so a guy who does 644 technically could have
been doing sets of both, in which case it would be easier)  I like the
sticter rules and palms forward wide grip.  As far as I know it was
Hylund who has a 610 count that is going through Guinness as we speak)
http://icsurreyonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/sutton/tm_objectid=164270
37&method=full&siteid=53340&headline=chin-up--steve--you-re-a-winner-
name_page.html#story_continue


Remy Vidal (France) did 379 chin-ups in 30 minutes on 20 December 2004.
Guy Schott (USA) did 379 chin-ups in 30 minutes as well en route to his
one-hour record (644) on 22 Oct 2005.

http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html

1. The most chin-up in one hour (644) were done by Guy Schott (USA) on
22 October 2005.

Previous verified claims
1. The most chin-up in one hour (573) were done by Stephen Hyland (UK)
on 6 August 2005.
2. The most chin-up in one hour (565) were done by Remy Vidal (France)
on 20 December 2004.

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#1253 From: stephen wilber <stevie720@...>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: Pull-ups 		stevie720
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Try doing rear delt workouts and rotator cuff workouts once a week..it helps
prevent injuries from things like bench and pullups...also..dont unlock your
shoulders when you are hanging on the pullups...go all the way down but keep
your shoulders in the joint..some people can sort of unlock the shoulder as if
it were outof the socket.
   -steve

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   Today while doing pullups I noticed after my workout that right below
my right armpit it got really sore, its even sore to touch. Any
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#1252 From: RLR <rlr4769@...>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:04 pm
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It sounds like to me either part of your rotator
muscles got strained. You need to be careful doing
pullups, especially if you have any shoulder rotator
cuff issues.  You could have some shoulder stability
issues that really flair up when performing pull-ups.
It could also be a subscapularis issue.  Are you
getting enough rest between your STREND workouts or
are you going all out each and every time, because if
you are going all out each and every time you are
getting ready for the STREND you could be tearing your
body down instead of building it up.  I always say
listen to your body.

  strend666 <strend666@...> wrote:

> Today while doing pullups I noticed after my workout
> that right below
> my right armpit it got really sore, its even sore to
> touch. Any
> ideas?  Thanks Dan
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Today while doing pullups I noticed after my workout that right below
my right armpit it got really sore, its even sore to touch. Any
ideas?  Thanks Dan

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#1250 From: "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@...>
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#1249 From: Tony Armijo <firemedic1560@...>
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#1248 From: Matt Bogdanowicz <skate_94538@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc. 		skate_94538
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Spend a couple of months going heavy on bench, then go back to high reps.

You are right that there is no direct correlation between high reps and power,
but if you take the top STRENDERS you will find that overall these guys are
pretty strong in their own right, and usually will have a regiment throughout
the year the mixes up both power and strength training with endurance and less
weight higher rep training.   If nothing else it prevents the muscles from
adapting in a linear fashion, keeps them guessing, and provides a base for
future contests.

Matt

stephen wilber <stevie720@...> wrote:
thanks for the advice Greg,,I do get your point, however, I see one difference
with getting stronger (which is what I always use to lift for when I played
football and just lifted) and the strend competition. With the increase of your
strend totals, I dont think it necessarily means getting stronger (1 rep max) to
increase your strend results. Part of the reason is that I think the muscle for
endurance (which is really what we are trying to increase) is not proportional
to the muscle used in absolute power. For example, Just because you can do 10
dips with 100  lbs on your waist doesnt mean you will be able to do 75 dips..at
least at first.  But the muscles need to be trained to work on shorter rest, and
go longer which is why I do a lot of strend workouts with supersetting (bench
and pullups together then rest 2-3 minutes, MP and chins, then dips),,and other
times I do each lift with only 2 minutes or less rest..I know this doesnt make
me stronger but it encourages the muscles to
respond faster and go longer. But too many of these workouts will decrease ones
overall strength like you said. I also do 3 types of strends with respect to
weight..one day I use about high percentages of my body weight (bp, pullups, and
chins 40% extra of body weight or more, MP-75% of body weight and dips 50% extra
of body weight. The second day I use regular standard weights and the 3rd day a
moderate weight like the strends they had a few yrs ago.
My numbers have definitely gone up (even though my bench is not near what it
needs to be)
But after these intense workouts for about 1 month (3 times a week) I need to
back off like you said and build a base again..

What suggestions for increasing bench do you have? Everything else I am really
doing well in..but maybe since its only been 3 months that I have been working
out for strend , I need to take a break and build back up again??

Its really great to hear about other guys working out. all my life I have
enjoyed killing myself and I looked for ways to make it useful. This is really
great..
thanks a lot
steve

greg_damian <greg_damian@...> wrote:
Steve, If you are not giving your muscles a chance to recover from
your workouts, you may be getting weaker instead of stronger (by
tearing down the muscle before it has had a chance to recover and
compensate for the stimulation - the growth phase). The good news is
that with proper stimulation, nutrition and rest, the muscles are
programmed to hypertrophy (get larger, stronger). It's a survival
instinct that we all have.

For me anyway, the reason I weight train is to get stronger! I keep
a detailed log of what I do in my workouts. Every time I go into the
gym, I set the expectation that I am going to be stronger that in
the last workout (except for high rep work like STREND, I only do
the same routine once per week). I lift more weight or do more reps
with the same weight.

--- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@m...> wrote:
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> He did not wear himself out as a young man.  Take it easy, Steve.
Save some for your 50's, 60's, and 70's!  And your Strend scores
will probably increase now, too!
>
> JC
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>   Subject: Re: [STREND] Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc.
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>
>   Hi there. I have been doing so many strend workouts the last 2
months I need a break,.I am getting worn out. I do them 3 times a
week and 2-3 each time...not 2-3 times the running though..I also
have been using some heavy weights and light weight variations. But
what do you do for the break or down time? just eat and get fat? I
am nervous about that.
>   How does a 90 yr old guy still do all that?
>   steve
>
>   greg_damian <greg_damian@y...<mailto:greg_damian@y...>> wrote:
>   I have had an adductor injury that has kept me from running very
>   much, but I rode over 500 miles in September so that was good. I
am
>   lifting 3 days per week right now, but I won't concentrate on
strend
>   or pullups until after the first of the year, probably starting
in
>   March.
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>   > Hi Greg,
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>   > Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my
invert
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have
>   made 12'6" a couple of times in practice.  Just need to do it in
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>   meet.  I need to stay ahead of some of the high school girls I
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>   > How is the Strend training going?
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#1247 From: "greg_damian" <greg_damian@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc. 		greg_damian
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My belief is that by having more muscle mass, you will be a better
endurance athlete. I want to develop as much contractile tissue as
possible (which is only possible through low repitition stimulation)
and then convert that contractile tissue into an endurance monster!
There definately are physiological adaptations that occur as a result
of endurance stimulation (more mitochondria, more of the Krebs cycle
enzymes, etc) but you'll lose it if not constantly stimulated.

Since there isn't a STREND competition even scheduled for 2006, I
have to assume that the earliest anyone would be competing is the
spring. For me, I target about two months prior to the competition to
convert from strength training to endurance training. At that point I
would only do STREND workouts that have been documented on this board
previously.

Everyone approaches this subject differently so get everyone's
opinion, go through the prior posting, and them try some approaches
out and see what works for you. If you aren't getting results, try
something different.

--- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, stephen wilber <stevie720@y...> wrote:
>
> thanks for the advice Greg,,I do get your point, however, I see one
difference with getting stronger (which is what I always use to lift
for when I played football and just lifted) and the strend
competition. With the increase of your strend totals, I dont think it
necessarily means getting stronger (1 rep max) to increase your
strend results. Part of the reason is that I think the muscle for
endurance (which is really what we are trying to increase) is not
proportional to the muscle used in absolute power. For example, Just
because you can do 10 dips with 100  lbs on your waist doesnt mean
you will be able to do 75 dips..at least at first.  But the muscles
need to be trained to work on shorter rest, and go longer which is
why I do a lot of strend workouts with supersetting (bench and
pullups together then rest 2-3 minutes, MP and chins, then dips),,and
other times I do each lift with only 2 minutes or less rest..I know
this doesnt make me stronger but it encourages the muscles to
>  respond faster and go longer. But too many of these workouts will
decrease ones overall strength like you said. I also do 3 types of
strends with respect to weight..one day I use about high percentages
of my body weight (bp, pullups, and chins 40% extra of body weight or
more, MP-75% of body weight and dips 50% extra of body weight. The
second day I use regular standard weights and the 3rd day a moderate
weight like the strends they had a few yrs ago.
> My numbers have definitely gone up (even though my bench is not
near what it needs to be)
> But after these intense workouts for about 1 month (3 times a week)
I need to back off like you said and build a base again..
>
> What suggestions for increasing bench do you have? Everything else
I am really doing well in..but maybe since its only been 3 months
that I have been working out for strend , I need to take a break and
build back up again??
>
> Its really great to hear about other guys working out. all my life
I have enjoyed killing myself and I looked for ways to make it
useful. This is really great..
> thanks a lot
> steve
>
> greg_damian <greg_damian@y...> wrote:
> Steve, If you are not giving your muscles a chance to recover from
> your workouts, you may be getting weaker instead of stronger (by
> tearing down the muscle before it has had a chance to recover and
> compensate for the stimulation - the growth phase). The good news
is
> that with proper stimulation, nutrition and rest, the muscles are
> programmed to hypertrophy (get larger, stronger). It's a survival
> instinct that we all have.
>
> For me anyway, the reason I weight train is to get stronger! I keep
> a detailed log of what I do in my workouts. Every time I go into
the
> gym, I set the expectation that I am going to be stronger that in
> the last workout (except for high rep work like STREND, I only do
> the same routine once per week). I lift more weight or do more reps
> with the same weight.
>
> --- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@m...> wrote:
> >
> > He did not wear himself out as a young man.  Take it easy,
Steve.
> Save some for your 50's, 60's, and 70's!  And your Strend scores
> will probably increase now, too!
> >
> > JC
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: stephen wilber<mailto:stevie720@y...>
> >   To: STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com>
> >   Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:20 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [STREND] Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc.
> >
> >
> >   Hi there. I have been doing so many strend workouts the last 2
> months I need a break,.I am getting worn out. I do them 3 times a
> week and 2-3 each time...not 2-3 times the running though..I also
> have been using some heavy weights and light weight variations. But
> what do you do for the break or down time? just eat and get fat? I
> am nervous about that.
> >   How does a 90 yr old guy still do all that?
> >   steve
> >
> >   greg_damian <greg_damian@y...<mailto:greg_damian@y...>> wrote:
> >   I have had an adductor injury that has kept me from running
very
> >   much, but I rode over 500 miles in September so that was good.
I
> am
> >   lifting 3 days per week right now, but I won't concentrate on
> strend
> >   or pullups until after the first of the year, probably starting
> in
> >   March.
> >
> >   --- In
> STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com>, "JOHN
> CARMONY" <jcar75@m<mailto:jcar75@m>...> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Hi Greg,
> >   >
> >   > Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my
> invert
> >   and am getting back into form!  My goal is 13' this winter!  I
> have
> >   made 12'6" a couple of times in practice.  Just need to do it
in
> a
> >   meet.  I need to stay ahead of some of the high school girls I
> coach!
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> >   > How is the Strend training going?
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#1246 From: stephen wilber <stevie720@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc. 		stevie720
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thanks for the advice Greg,,I do get your point, however, I see one difference
with getting stronger (which is what I always use to lift for when I played
football and just lifted) and the strend competition. With the increase of your
strend totals, I dont think it necessarily means getting stronger (1 rep max) to
increase your strend results. Part of the reason is that I think the muscle for
endurance (which is really what we are trying to increase) is not proportional
to the muscle used in absolute power. For example, Just because you can do 10
dips with 100  lbs on your waist doesnt mean you will be able to do 75 dips..at
least at first.  But the muscles need to be trained to work on shorter rest, and
go longer which is why I do a lot of strend workouts with supersetting (bench
and pullups together then rest 2-3 minutes, MP and chins, then dips),,and other
times I do each lift with only 2 minutes or less rest..I know this doesnt make
me stronger but it encourages the muscles to
  respond faster and go longer. But too many of these workouts will decrease ones
overall strength like you said. I also do 3 types of strends with respect to
weight..one day I use about high percentages of my body weight (bp, pullups, and
chins 40% extra of body weight or more, MP-75% of body weight and dips 50% extra
of body weight. The second day I use regular standard weights and the 3rd day a
moderate weight like the strends they had a few yrs ago.
My numbers have definitely gone up (even though my bench is not near what it
needs to be)
But after these intense workouts for about 1 month (3 times a week) I need to
back off like you said and build a base again..

What suggestions for increasing bench do you have? Everything else I am really
doing well in..but maybe since its only been 3 months that I have been working
out for strend , I need to take a break and build back up again??

Its really great to hear about other guys working out. all my life I have
enjoyed killing myself and I looked for ways to make it useful. This is really
great..
thanks a lot
steve

greg_damian <greg_damian@...> wrote:
Steve, If you are not giving your muscles a chance to recover from
your workouts, you may be getting weaker instead of stronger (by
tearing down the muscle before it has had a chance to recover and
compensate for the stimulation - the growth phase). The good news is
that with proper stimulation, nutrition and rest, the muscles are
programmed to hypertrophy (get larger, stronger). It's a survival
instinct that we all have.

For me anyway, the reason I weight train is to get stronger! I keep
a detailed log of what I do in my workouts. Every time I go into the
gym, I set the expectation that I am going to be stronger that in
the last workout (except for high rep work like STREND, I only do
the same routine once per week). I lift more weight or do more reps
with the same weight.

--- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@m...> wrote:
>
> He did not wear himself out as a young man.  Take it easy, Steve.
Save some for your 50's, 60's, and 70's!  And your Strend scores
will probably increase now, too!
>
> JC
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: stephen wilber<mailto:stevie720@y...>
>   To: STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: [STREND] Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc.
>
>
>   Hi there. I have been doing so many strend workouts the last 2
months I need a break,.I am getting worn out. I do them 3 times a
week and 2-3 each time...not 2-3 times the running though..I also
have been using some heavy weights and light weight variations. But
what do you do for the break or down time? just eat and get fat? I
am nervous about that.
>   How does a 90 yr old guy still do all that?
>   steve
>
>   greg_damian <greg_damian@y...<mailto:greg_damian@y...>> wrote:
>   I have had an adductor injury that has kept me from running very
>   much, but I rode over 500 miles in September so that was good. I
am
>   lifting 3 days per week right now, but I won't concentrate on
strend
>   or pullups until after the first of the year, probably starting
in
>   March.
>
>   --- In
STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com>, "JOHN
CARMONY" <jcar75@m<mailto:jcar75@m>...> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Greg,
>   >
>   > Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my
invert
>   and am getting back into form!  My goal is 13' this winter!  I
have
>   made 12'6" a couple of times in practice.  Just need to do it in
a
>   meet.  I need to stay ahead of some of the high school girls I
coach!
>   >
>   > How is the Strend training going?
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From:
greg_damian<mailto:greg_damian@y<mailto:greg_damian@y>...>
>   >   To:
STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@ya
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>   >   Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:02 AM
>   >   Subject: [STREND] Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc.
>   >
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#1245 From: "greg_damian" <greg_damian@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc. 		greg_damian
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Steve, If you are not giving your muscles a chance to recover from
your workouts, you may be getting weaker instead of stronger (by
tearing down the muscle before it has had a chance to recover and
compensate for the stimulation - the growth phase). The good news is
that with proper stimulation, nutrition and rest, the muscles are
programmed to hypertrophy (get larger, stronger). It's a survival
instinct that we all have.

For me anyway, the reason I weight train is to get stronger! I keep
a detailed log of what I do in my workouts. Every time I go into the
gym, I set the expectation that I am going to be stronger that in
the last workout (except for high rep work like STREND, I only do
the same routine once per week). I lift more weight or do more reps
with the same weight.

--- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@m...> wrote:
>
> He did not wear himself out as a young man.  Take it easy, Steve.
Save some for your 50's, 60's, and 70's!  And your Strend scores
will probably increase now, too!
>
> JC
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: stephen wilber<mailto:stevie720@y...>
>   To: STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: [STREND] Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc.
>
>
>   Hi there. I have been doing so many strend workouts the last 2
months I need a break,.I am getting worn out. I do them 3 times a
week and 2-3 each time...not 2-3 times the running though..I also
have been using some heavy weights and light weight variations. But
what do you do for the break or down time? just eat and get fat? I
am nervous about that.
>   How does a 90 yr old guy still do all that?
>   steve
>
>   greg_damian <greg_damian@y...<mailto:greg_damian@y...>> wrote:
>   I have had an adductor injury that has kept me from running very
>   much, but I rode over 500 miles in September so that was good. I
am
>   lifting 3 days per week right now, but I won't concentrate on
strend
>   or pullups until after the first of the year, probably starting
in
>   March.
>
>   --- In
STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com>, "JOHN
CARMONY" <jcar75@m<mailto:jcar75@m>...> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Greg,
>   >
>   > Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my
invert
>   and am getting back into form!  My goal is 13' this winter!  I
have
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#1244 From: "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@...>
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He did not wear himself out as a young man.  Take it easy, Steve.  Save some for
your 50's, 60's, and 70's!  And your Strend scores will probably increase now,
too!

JC
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   Hi there. I have been doing so many strend workouts the last 2 months I need a
break,.I am getting worn out. I do them 3 times a week and 2-3 each time...not
2-3 times the running though..I also have been using some heavy weights and
light weight variations. But what do you do for the break or down time? just eat
and get fat? I am nervous about that.
   How does a 90 yr old guy still do all that?
   steve

   greg_damian <greg_damian@...<mailto:greg_damian@...>> wrote:
   I have had an adductor injury that has kept me from running very
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   lifting 3 days per week right now, but I won't concentrate on strend
   or pullups until after the first of the year, probably starting in
   March.

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   > Hi Greg,
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   > Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my invert
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   made 12'6" a couple of times in practice.  Just need to do it in a
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   > How is the Strend training going?
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#1243 From: stephen wilber <stevie720@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc. 		stevie720
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Hi there. I have been doing so many strend workouts the last 2 months I need a
break,.I am getting worn out. I do them 3 times a week and 2-3 each time...not
2-3 times the running though..I also have been using some heavy weights and
light weight variations. But what do you do for the break or down time? just eat
and get fat? I am nervous about that.
How does a 90 yr old guy still do all that?
steve

greg_damian <greg_damian@...> wrote:
I have had an adductor injury that has kept me from running very
much, but I rode over 500 miles in September so that was good. I am
lifting 3 days per week right now, but I won't concentrate on strend
or pullups until after the first of the year, probably starting in
March.

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> Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my invert
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meet.  I need to stay ahead of some of the high school girls I coach!
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> How is the Strend training going?
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#1242 From: "greg_damian" <greg_damian@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:09 pm
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I have had an adductor injury that has kept me from running very
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lifting 3 days per week right now, but I won't concentrate on strend
or pullups until after the first of the year, probably starting in
March.

--- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@m...> wrote:
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> Hi Greg,
>
> Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my invert
and am getting back into form!  My goal is 13' this winter!  I have
made 12'6" a couple of times in practice.  Just need to do it in a
meet.  I need to stay ahead of some of the high school girls I coach!
>
> How is the Strend training going?
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#1241 From: "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@...>
Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:34 pm
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Hi Greg,

Not that great--11 or 11'6", but I have been working on my invert and am getting
back into form!  My goal is 13' this winter!  I have made 12'6" a couple of
times in practice.  Just need to do it in a meet.  I need to stay ahead of some
of the high school girls I coach!

How is the Strend training going?
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#1240 From: "greg_damian" <greg_damian@...>
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Did you jump John? If so, how did you do?

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#1239 From: "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@...>
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Old Don was pretty darn spunky, all right. He took two jumps in the pole
vault--including warm-ups. Both were world records, of course thanks to the
efficiency of the USATF pole vault official in the pictures.  Don could probably
do a pretty decent STREND!  Age graded?  We would all be in trouble!

JC
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   Subject: [STREND] Age 90 Long jump, pole vault, etc.


  
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   90 year old, seven world records!

   Someone in one of those photos looks pretty familiar.

   Hope everyone is training well and feeling healthy!

   Matt








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#1238 From: "Matt" <skate_94538@...>
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90 year old, seven world records!

Someone in one of those photos looks pretty familiar.

Hope everyone is training well and feeling healthy!

Matt

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#1237 From: Carol Jaxon <cmjaxon@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Maxing Out 		cmjaxonhi
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Matt -

Sorry we missed you in Hawaii.  Depending on when you were here we might
have been in Tahiti and Rapa Nui on an archeological tour with my mom &
sister.   If anyone is ever on Oahu in Hawaii, please don¹t hesitate to
contact Ed.  He loves to have STREND people visit to talk about training.
Just send a message to the group and we¹ll respond.

Ed and Carol




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> Howdy John,
>
> I was chasing that little guy around today, and I could not catch
> him, he is part of my reflex training.
> How is the pole vault going?
>
> I took a silver at the masters in Hawaii  mens 1500
>
> http://coach-al.smugmug.com/gallery/716400/2/31352774
>
> Never got a chance to give Ed a call.




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#1236 From: "Matt" <skate_94538@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:56 pm
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http://masterstrack.com/blog/archives/000469.html

60 + female soaring over the bar in Hawaii

Can't wait to see the 80 year old video

"I also have video of 80-year-old Johnnye Valien of Los Angeles
clearing world record after world record in the vault. That's still on
my to-do list."
Lets get this guy to do a STREND  Bet he can crank out some pull up
and chins reps.

Matt

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#1235 From: "Matt" <skate_94538@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:50 pm
Subject: 57 year old runs 16:39 5K today 		skate_94538
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and still about a minute off the listed M55-59 WR

http://www.conersys.com/at/Anoeta/ATME23103.C73G.1.0.pdf

The mens 50-54 is 14:53.2  WOW!
Today's champ   15:28.3   Just inspiring

Dave Clingan is looking good after todays heats in the mens 800
http://www.conersys.com/at/Anoeta/ATMD21900.C74A.1.0.pdf

Look for Brian Pope to have a sub 15:00 time in the mens 40-44 5000

World championship action!  http://www.conersys.com/at/

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#1234 From: "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:50 am
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Hey Matt,

Thanks for the update and the PV rankings.  Congratulations on the silver medal
in the 1500.  The guy that beat you must have been really tough!!

I am jumping at the CO State Fair street vault in Pueblo tomorrow.  Heck of a
lot of fun.  On a good day I can still jump close to 4 meters, although I have
yet to do it in a meet. We will have two 18 footers to watch--Pat Manson, my
part time training partner (I am good at putting the bar up for him!), and Paul
Gensic from the Air Force Academy. Great athletes--almost as good as some of the
STREND athletes I know.

I think I set another world record the other night--at least for 50 year olds.. 
Speed pole vaulting.  I made 7'6" 6 times in a minute for a score of 45!
Wow--that may be my new area of specialization.  I will have to start working on
quick reps, lots of repetitions---you know the drill.  All that STREND training
comes in handy particularly on the last rep  --focus, focus!!.

Maine 2007.  I will mark it in my book. Anytime you want to come to Colorado and
run one of the track meets here you are always welcome.   I am just about single
again--after 30 years--so I will have lots of room!

Tell Sonia I said "Hi"!

JC


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   Howdy John,

   I was chasing that little guy around today, and I could not catch
   him, he is part of my reflex training.
   How is the pole vault going?

   I took a silver at the masters in Hawaii  mens 1500

  
http://coach-al.smugmug.com/gallery/716400/2/31352774<http://coach-al.smugmug.co\
m/gallery/716400/2/31352774>

   Never got a chance to give Ed a call.

   Results of the mens 50-54 Pole vault
   1 Mead, Murray             M51 Octane Track             3.95m
     2 Worcester, John          M54 Unattached               3.80m
     3 Sparks, Doug             M52 Unattached               3.50m
     4 Jacquet-Acea, Russell    M52 Unattached               3.20m
     5 Costello, Vincent        M52 Hawaii Maste             3.20m

   The listed WR is 4.73

   Rankings
   M50 POLE VAULT
   World Record: 4.73 Wolfgang Ritte (GER) 05/16/04
   American Record: 4.57 Jerry Cash (OR) 07/08/00
   All-American Standard: 3.55

   4.12 DANIEL WEST (081)
   4.11 MURRAY MEAD (121)
   4.10 TERRY PORTER (292)
   4.09 MIKE HOGAN (023)
   3.96 KEITH PETRANEK (073)
   3.96 STEVEN HARDISON (142)
   3.95 JOHN WORCESTER (292)
   3.75 BOB SPARKS (228*)


   in two years you will have to join me in Maine for the 2007 Master
   outdoor champs



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   can't do will kill your score.  Struggling for an extra bench on the
   first rotation will cost you 4 dips at the end.
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   > JC
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   workouts make you a stronger runner and visa versa. Thanks again Dan
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   shoulder or dips.  Remember dips are the shortest range of motion
   and a discipline that can yield a bounty of reps if you concentrate
   on them.
   >   Remember the more reps you do, the more fatigued you are for the
   run.
   >   However it depends on your competition.  If you know someone is
   going to score 120 reps or they went before you and scored 120 reps,
   and you are capable of 140 reps but are a slower runner you have to
   take into consideration how much each rep is worth compared to the
   run.
   >   140 and a 20 minute run is a 7.0  120 and a  17:08.5 run is
   about a 7.0.   20 rep difference but the athlete had to run about
   172 seconds faster to beat you. So it paid off to get the higher
   reps.  That is like 8.6 seconds a rep!  Makes sense to go for as
   many reps as possible and just do your best on the run.
   >
   >   This ratio changes depending on the athletes involved and how
   many reps they are capable of achieving.   I.E.  Athlete A  205 reps
   and a 20:00 run (10.25) and athlete B  capable of 187 reps needs a
   sub 18:15 run time to equal or beat athlete A.
   >     The difference is only 1:45 or so on the three mile run - or
   about 5.83 seconds per rep.
   >   A bit more complicated.  Bottom line- is play your strengths.
   The better runner usually has the advantage coming off the weights
   unless he is just a pure runner and does not have much strength,
   because running is finite.  There is a limit to how fast you can
   go.  You can always score an extra rep or two.  If you only score
   100 and you are trying to beat a guy who just did 200 reps, it is
   not really possible, even if 200 reps divided by a 28:00 run time =
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   >   100/7.1428   = 14:00.    If you could run 3 miles in 14 minutes
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#1233 From: "Matt" <skate_94538@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:50 am
Subject: Who says big guys cant rep out? 		skate_94538
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Scott Young out of BYU weighing in at 310 at the 2005 NFL combine
benched 225 44 times!! His PR is 53
http://www.draftshowcase.com/05combine1.htm

With those numbers I would not bet against him to bench his weight
about 35-37 times!

Matt

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#1232 From: "Matt" <skate_94538@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:47 am
Subject: Re: Maxing Out 		skate_94538
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Howdy John,

I was chasing that little guy around today, and I could not catch
him, he is part of my reflex training.
How is the pole vault going?

I took a silver at the masters in Hawaii  mens 1500

http://coach-al.smugmug.com/gallery/716400/2/31352774

Never got a chance to give Ed a call.

Results of the mens 50-54 Pole vault
1 Mead, Murray             M51 Octane Track             3.95m
   2 Worcester, John          M54 Unattached               3.80m
   3 Sparks, Doug             M52 Unattached               3.50m
   4 Jacquet-Acea, Russell    M52 Unattached               3.20m
   5 Costello, Vincent        M52 Hawaii Maste             3.20m

The listed WR is 4.73

Rankings
M50 POLE VAULT
World Record: 4.73 Wolfgang Ritte (GER) 05/16/04
American Record: 4.57 Jerry Cash (OR) 07/08/00
All-American Standard: 3.55

4.12 DANIEL WEST (081)
4.11 MURRAY MEAD (121)
4.10 TERRY PORTER (292)
4.09 MIKE HOGAN (023)
3.96 KEITH PETRANEK (073)
3.96 STEVEN HARDISON (142)
3.95 JOHN WORCESTER (292)
3.75 BOB SPARKS (228*)


in two years you will have to join me in Maine for the 2007 Master
outdoor champs



--- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@m...> wrote:
> That is the advantage of doing lots of STRENDs as part of your
workout sequence.  When you get to the real thing, you will know
exactly when to stop.  That last rep that you struggle with and
can't do will kill your score.  Struggling for an extra bench on the
first rotation will cost you 4 dips at the end.
>
> JC
>
> PS Matt--How is the bunny?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>   From: daniel ganley<mailto:strend666@y...>
>   To: STREND@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STREND@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:44 PM
>   Subject: Re: [STREND] Maxing Out
>
>
>   Thanks Matt that helps a lot, I've been a runner most of my life
and I can't believe how much that run took out of me. Two days later
I went for a run and I felt great for the whole run....the strend
workouts make you a stronger runner and visa versa. Thanks again Dan
>
>   Matt Bogdanowicz <skate_94538@y...<mailto:skate_94538@y...>>
wrote:Any experienced STRENDER will tell you that is not a bad
idea.  Three push and two pull exercises.  Back off a rep or two on
the bench, and you will easily make it up plus a rep or two on the
shoulder or dips.  Remember dips are the shortest range of motion
and a discipline that can yield a bounty of reps if you concentrate
on them.
>   Remember the more reps you do, the more fatigued you are for the
run.
>   However it depends on your competition.  If you know someone is
going to score 120 reps or they went before you and scored 120 reps,
and you are capable of 140 reps but are a slower runner you have to
take into consideration how much each rep is worth compared to the
run.
>   140 and a 20 minute run is a 7.0  120 and a  17:08.5 run is
about a 7.0.   20 rep difference but the athlete had to run about
172 seconds faster to beat you. So it paid off to get the higher
reps.  That is like 8.6 seconds a rep!  Makes sense to go for as
many reps as possible and just do your best on the run.
>
>   This ratio changes depending on the athletes involved and how
many reps they are capable of achieving.   I.E.  Athlete A  205 reps
and a 20:00 run (10.25) and athlete B  capable of 187 reps needs a
sub 18:15 run time to equal or beat athlete A.
>     The difference is only 1:45 or so on the three mile run - or
about 5.83 seconds per rep.
>   A bit more complicated.  Bottom line- is play your strengths.
The better runner usually has the advantage coming off the weights
unless he is just a pure runner and does not have much strength,
because running is finite.  There is a limit to how fast you can
go.  You can always score an extra rep or two.  If you only score
100 and you are trying to beat a guy who just did 200 reps, it is
not really possible, even if 200 reps divided by a 28:00 run time =
7.1428
>   100/7.1428   = 14:00.    If you could run 3 miles in 14 minutes
after  100 reps, you would not be at a STREND competition because
you would be capable of 13:15 or better in an open 5,000 meters and
be sponsored by NIKE.  You get the picture.
>
>   Hope that helps.  Best to practice different scenarios in the
gym before testing it out in an actual comp.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Matt
>
>   strend666 <strend666@y...<mailto:strend666@y...>> wrote:
>   This past July Myself and  my son Danny took part in our first
Strend
>   event. The Event was in Hamilton Ontario and Leslie and the crew
did a
>   great job. Running this past weekend with a group of non-
strenders one
>   of the guys said "instead of maxing out on all of your lifts why
not
>   stop one or two short, that way you would not be so spent for
the run.
>   Of course my answer was thats the whole point maxing out and
dieing on
>   the run...but then I started thinking (always a problem) maybe
you
>   could actually get a better score by not killing yourself for
that
>   last rep or two. Anybody got any throughts on the subject.
Thanks  Dan
>   Ganley
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#1231 From: "JOHN CARMONY" <jcar75@...>
Date: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:20 am
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That is the advantage of doing lots of STRENDs as part of your workout sequence.
When you get to the real thing, you will know exactly when to stop.  That last
rep that you struggle with and can't do will kill your score.  Struggling for an
extra bench on the first rotation will cost you 4 dips at the end.

JC

PS Matt--How is the bunny?


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   Subject: Re: [STREND] Maxing Out


   Thanks Matt that helps a lot, I've been a runner most of my life and I can't
believe how much that run took out of me. Two days later I went for a run and I
felt great for the whole run....the strend workouts make you a stronger runner
and visa versa. Thanks again Dan

   Matt Bogdanowicz <skate_94538@...<mailto:skate_94538@...>>
wrote:Any experienced STRENDER will tell you that is not a bad idea.  Three push
and two pull exercises.  Back off a rep or two on the bench, and you will easily
make it up plus a rep or two on the shoulder or dips.  Remember dips are the
shortest range of motion and a discipline that can yield a bounty of reps if you
concentrate on them.
   Remember the more reps you do, the more fatigued you are for the run.
   However it depends on your competition.  If you know someone is going to score
120 reps or they went before you and scored 120 reps, and you are capable of 140
reps but are a slower runner you have to take into consideration how much each
rep is worth compared to the run.
   140 and a 20 minute run is a 7.0  120 and a  17:08.5 run is about a 7.0.   20
rep difference but the athlete had to run about 172 seconds faster to beat you.
So it paid off to get the higher reps.  That is like 8.6 seconds a rep!  Makes
sense to go for as many reps as possible and just do your best on the run.

   This ratio changes depending on the athletes involved and how many reps they
are capable of achieving.   I.E.  Athlete A  205 reps and a 20:00 run (10.25)
and athlete B  capable of 187 reps needs a sub 18:15 run time to equal or beat
athlete A.
     The difference is only 1:45 or so on the three mile run - or about 5.83
seconds per rep.
   A bit more complicated.  Bottom line- is play your strengths.  The better
runner usually has the advantage coming off the weights unless he is just a pure
runner and does not have much strength, because running is finite.  There is a
limit to how fast you can go.  You can always score an extra rep or two.  If you
only score 100 and you are trying to beat a guy who just did 200 reps, it is not
really possible, even if 200 reps divided by a 28:00 run time = 7.1428
   100/7.1428   = 14:00.    If you could run 3 miles in 14 minutes after  100
reps, you would not be at a STREND competition because you would be capable of
13:15 or better in an open 5,000 meters and be sponsored by NIKE.  You get the
picture.

   Hope that helps.  Best to practice different scenarios in the gym before
testing it out in an actual comp.






   Matt

   strend666 <strend666@...<mailto:strend666@...>> wrote:
   This past July Myself and  my son Danny took part in our first Strend
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   great job. Running this past weekend with a group of non-strenders one
   of the guys said "instead of maxing out on all of your lifts why not
   stop one or two short, that way you would not be so spent for the run.
   Of course my answer was thats the whole point maxing out and dieing on
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   could actually get a better score by not killing yourself for that
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#1230 From: daniel ganley <strend666@...>
Date: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:44 am
Subject: Re: Maxing Out 		strend666
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Thanks Matt that helps a lot, I've been a runner most of my life and I can't
believe how much that run took out of me. Two days later I went for a run and I
felt great for the whole run....the strend workouts make you a stronger runner
and visa versa. Thanks again Dan

Matt Bogdanowicz <skate_94538@...> wrote:Any experienced STRENDER will
tell you that is not a bad idea.  Three push and two pull exercises.  Back off a
rep or two on the bench, and you will easily make it up plus a rep or two on the
shoulder or dips.  Remember dips are the shortest range of motion and a
discipline that can yield a bounty of reps if you concentrate on them.
Remember the more reps you do, the more fatigued you are for the run.
However it depends on your competition.  If you know someone is going to score
120 reps or they went before you and scored 120 reps, and you are capable of 140
reps but are a slower runner you have to take into consideration how much each
rep is worth compared to the run.
140 and a 20 minute run is a 7.0  120 and a  17:08.5 run is about a 7.0.   20
rep difference but the athlete had to run about 172 seconds faster to beat you.
So it paid off to get the higher reps.  That is like 8.6 seconds a rep!  Makes
sense to go for as many reps as possible and just do your best on the run.

This ratio changes depending on the athletes involved and how many reps they are
capable of achieving.   I.E.  Athlete A  205 reps and a 20:00 run (10.25) and
athlete B  capable of 187 reps needs a sub 18:15 run time to equal or beat
athlete A.
   The difference is only 1:45 or so on the three mile run - or about 5.83
seconds per rep.
A bit more complicated.  Bottom line- is play your strengths.  The better runner
usually has the advantage coming off the weights unless he is just a pure runner
and does not have much strength, because running is finite.  There is a limit to
how fast you can go.  You can always score an extra rep or two.  If you only
score 100 and you are trying to beat a guy who just did 200 reps, it is not
really possible, even if 200 reps divided by a 28:00 run time = 7.1428
100/7.1428   = 14:00.    If you could run 3 miles in 14 minutes after  100 reps,
you would not be at a STREND competition because you would be capable of 13:15
or better in an open 5,000 meters and be sponsored by NIKE.  You get the
picture.

Hope that helps.  Best to practice different scenarios in the gym before testing
it out in an actual comp.






Matt

strend666 <strend666@...> wrote:
This past July Myself and  my son Danny took part in our first Strend
event. The Event was in Hamilton Ontario and Leslie and the crew did a
great job. Running this past weekend with a group of non-strenders one
of the guys said "instead of maxing out on all of your lifts why not
stop one or two short, that way you would not be so spent for the run.
Of course my answer was thats the whole point maxing out and dieing on
the run...but then I started thinking (always a problem) maybe  you
could actually get a better score by not killing yourself for that
last rep or two. Anybody got any throughts on the subject. Thanks  Dan
Ganley





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#1229 From: Matt Bogdanowicz <skate_94538@...>
Date: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: Maxing Out 		skate_94538
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Any experienced STRENDER will tell you that is not a bad idea.  Three push and
two pull exercises.  Back off a rep or two on the bench, and you will easily
make it up plus a rep or two on the shoulder or dips.  Remember dips are the
shortest range of motion and a discipline that can yield a bounty of reps if you
concentrate on them.
Remember the more reps you do, the more fatigued you are for the run.
However it depends on your competition.  If you know someone is going to score
120 reps or they went before you and scored 120 reps, and you are capable of 140
reps but are a slower runner you have to take into consideration how much each
rep is worth compared to the run.
140 and a 20 minute run is a 7.0  120 and a  17:08.5 run is about a 7.0.   20
rep difference but the athlete had to run about 172 seconds faster to beat you.
So it paid off to get the higher reps.  That is like 8.6 seconds a rep!  Makes
sense to go for as many reps as possible and just do your best on the run.

This ratio changes depending on the athletes involved and how many reps they are
capable of achieving.   I.E.  Athlete A  205 reps and a 20:00 run (10.25) and
athlete B  capable of 187 reps needs a sub 18:15 run time to equal or beat
athlete A.
   The difference is only 1:45 or so on the three mile run - or about 5.83
seconds per rep.
A bit more complicated.  Bottom line- is play your strengths.  The better runner
usually has the advantage coming off the weights unless he is just a pure runner
and does not have much strength, because running is finite.  There is a limit to
how fast you can go.  You can always score an extra rep or two.  If you only
score 100 and you are trying to beat a guy who just did 200 reps, it is not
really possible, even if 200 reps divided by a 28:00 run time = 7.1428
100/7.1428   = 14:00.    If you could run 3 miles in 14 minutes after  100 reps,
you would not be at a STREND competition because you would be capable of 13:15
or better in an open 5,000 meters and be sponsored by NIKE.  You get the
picture.

Hope that helps.  Best to practice different scenarios in the gym before testing
it out in an actual comp.






Matt

strend666 <strend666@...> wrote:
This past July Myself and  my son Danny took part in our first Strend
event. The Event was in Hamilton Ontario and Leslie and the crew did a
great job. Running this past weekend with a group of non-strenders one
of the guys said "instead of maxing out on all of your lifts why not
stop one or two short, that way you would not be so spent for the run.
Of course my answer was thats the whole point maxing out and dieing on
the run...but then I started thinking (always a problem) maybe  you
could actually get a better score by not killing yourself for that
last rep or two. Anybody got any throughts on the subject. Thanks  Dan
Ganley





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#1228 From: "strend666" <strend666@...>
Date: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:48 pm
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This past July Myself and  my son Danny took part in our first Strend
event. The Event was in Hamilton Ontario and Leslie and the crew did a
great job. Running this past weekend with a group of non-strenders one
of the guys said "instead of maxing out on all of your lifts why not
stop one or two short, that way you would not be so spent for the run.
Of course my answer was thats the whole point maxing out and dieing on
the run...but then I started thinking (always a problem) maybe  you
could actually get a better score by not killing yourself for that
last rep or two. Anybody got any throughts on the subject. Thanks  Dan
Ganley

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