Hi there.also the method in which the body is moving is different in each...with
pullups the body is moving at different angles than when seated and doing the
pulldowns..I also agree that the pulldowns are much easier. You can accent
different parts of the back in the pulldowns by moving the upper body backwards
or keeping it more upright.
I use a dumbells for the pullups..I just hook it between my calves while they
are crossed..I only use the weight belt for over 80 lbs. Especially for dips
which requires more weight than for pullups.
steve

Matt Bogdanowicz <skate_94538@...> wrote:
Steve,
He uses a chain belt, just like I did today. However they also make vests,
they are quite nice and go up to 100pounds or about 45 kilo. They are quite
expensive, but evenly distribute the weight, quite nicely. We have one at work
that goes up to about 30 pounds or 14kg,

Today I did 10 sets of back in the gym, 22 sets total, but 10 sets of back, 5
of which were pull ups. 2x 10 with a 45 lb plate (my belt also weighs close to
2lb) 2x 10 with 35 lb, and a quick set of 20 just body weight. I also did 2
sets of heavy lat pull down. 1x12 @200 (90kg) and one set of 10 210lb (95kg),
2 sets seated cable row, and one set of lightweight 24 reps low back ext.

It is not quite the same to do seated heavy lat pull downs as it is to do
weighted pull ups. This is for two reasons. First: the grip is relaxed on the
seated lat pull down when the weight comes all the way up before starting the
next rep. This is because the knees are under a pad which is taking some of the
force.
Second: When you initially make the effort to pull the weight down there
again is the initial opposing force of the legs locking you down and this makes
the weight come down a bit easier, as opposed to hanging from a bar where all
the effort must come from the back and arms. When doing weighted pull ups your
grip is always stressed there is no rest, they get increasingly tired through a
set of 12 say. Not so on a weighted lat pull down, try it and you will see what
I mean. I did it today and no contest-- much, much easier to pull more weight
down then to hang with weight and pull up. I would say add at least 25 extra
pounds to a seated lat pull down to equal the weight on a pull up. So if I
weigh 145 (65kg) and I am using 50 (22.6kg) pounds on a weighted pull up, I
would need to do 215 (97.5kg) on seated lat to equal it out.

Matt

haygem8 <haygem8@...> wrote:
hi matt

how does greg hang the weight or is it on a machine like lat pull
downs, i use the lat machine with extra weight but it's not the same
as hanging with free weight as the pulleys makes it easier i do set
of 8 with 150k with alittle help from some one to get me under the
seat which about 16k over double b/w,but the pulley system on the
machine makes it alot easier than having it strapped to you palms
facing as i do chin ups.

regards steve



--- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" <skate_94538@y...> wrote:
>
> Greg Damian
> and I are planning to attempt the record together head to head in
> April. Greg's training is going great and he recently did 4
pullups
> with 117 pounds! That is only about 9 or 10 pounds under what he
> weighs. Here is the current record (644) I spoke with this
gentleman
> last week.
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
> f=/c/a/2005/12/09/NBGJDG1ELV1.DTL
> Greg has done 445 pullups in 30 minutes and I have a feeling he
will
> be well over 700 in his attempt.
>
>
> As for the email below I already responded back directly.
>
> [Happy New Year!
> Hywel is the one who sent it to me (with critical comments)
anyway,
> it was only a simple observation. (I unfortunately don't have time
to
> try and investigate the claim further and that photo was the only
> thing I had to go on, so I am sure you will forgive me) Anyway I
am
> sure your attempt was judged correctly and good job on the 610, I
> spoke with Guy who has the 644 record and he has submitted his
video
> to Guinness, although it wont matter sounds like you me and about
> three other guys are out there training for 700. Truth is less
then
> 700 will be something of a dinosaur soon.
> 700 is like a 4:00 mile, and in ten years there well be 100 people
> who can lay claim to it.
> My apolagies if I was insulting. Keep training and I hope you
> compete in a STREND. I think I will compete in the Canadian
STREND
> in August. In any case this 2006 will be a year for records!!!!]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, "haygem8" <haygem8@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > hi matt came across this site over the xmas break interesting
> > reading the chap you are referring to is myself,
> > you know one (I seen a picture of the guy who did the
> > 512, (terrible form, I can' t believe they let him get away with
> > those, his knees were way out there)
> > what you don,t know is the photos you have seen was
done
> > for the local papers only I was asked to do lots of silly
positions
> > from one arm to having
> > one of the kids on my back etc etc if you look
> > carefully ,if its the photo I'm sure it is,look at the guy to
the
> > side it may give it away that the shot is
> > set up, looks like a rabbit caught in the head
lights,as
> I
> > now know from reading the messages on this site,you are aware I
did
> > a 610 in one hour at the Vi-sport challenge in Belfast and
> competed
> > in the comp at 01.30pm same day, the comp is based on the ultra-
> > fit,there was some of the top x trainers in the world (hywel
didn't
> > come) and to do the above in front of your peers
> > who would be the first to find fault if there was
any,even
> > the judges discounted a few ,I appreciate you could only voice
your
> > opinion on the photo ,but I do think
> > you should be more certain of your facts before you
post a
> > message rubbishing someone you don't know,all the more so as
your
> > name Matt carries a lot of
> > respect on this site ,from the messages I've read,the
> > people at Guinness have been in the records business,for a
number
> of
> > years and are more than happy
> > with my form which is tight and tidy (English term) and
> > full straight line body at the end of each rep,sorry to go on
but
> if
> > someone posts messages about me I feel I have the right to reply.
> > ps have been looking at the strend site ,i must agree
with
> > hywel looks a great comp will give it a go even if its just for
the
> > training it would be a good work out,just one more thing
> > when i first broke the record in jan i didn't do any
> > specific training i phoned GWR on the Friday to check out the
> record
> > which was still 445 and on the Saturday i tried it and did it
with
> > ease so I phoned back on the Monday and asked for the form so I
> > could do the thing as per GWR rules when it was posted on the
box-
> > fit Hywel was the first to tell me that you was the
> > true champ as I only did 512 and you had done 522 after a few
> > emails we agreed to disagree but your record was never accepted
by
> > GWR why was this? it could have been down to just
> > incorrect paperwork who knows, well it's been nice
emailing
> > you and look forward to your reply, all the best and a happy new
> > year to you and your family and all who visits this message.
> >
> > regards Steve and family would love to see the
video
> > of your 50 pull ups i think hywel may have a copy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In STREND@yahoogroups.com, Matt Bogdanowicz
<skate_94538@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I recieved confirmation regarding the review of all submitted
> > documents. My camera ran out at 509, and the Marines wife got
the
> > rest on her digital camera which had just enough left for the
> > remaining few. This could have been an issue.
> > >
> > > I seen a picture of the guy who did the 512, (terrible form, I
> > can' t believe they let him get away with those, his knees were
way
> > out there)
> > >
> > > The record is yours-
> > > I know you will be over 700 you should blow this thing out of
the
> > water. I am so busy running and racing lately, it is hard to
find
> > time to lift and concentrate on pull ups. Perhaps in September
> when
> > the best of the track is behind me. I would like to raise money
> for
> > some sort of charity again if I can.
> > >
> > > Let me know how you do. Good Luck
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > greg_damian <greg_damian@y...> wrote:
> > > I just received this response from Guiness. Matt, I am
surprised
> > you
> > > are not listed. Did you receive a confirmation?
> > >
> > > I may give this a go next Saturday.
> > >
> > > Dear Mr Damian
> > >
> > > Thank you for your enquiry regarding your intention to attempt
> the
> > > record for 'MOST CHIN UPS IN ONE HOUR'.
> > >
> > > We have attached our recommended guidelines for this attempt
> which
> > > provides you with all the details you require to make your
> > attempt.
> > > You should ensure that all those participating are aware of
the
> > > contents of these guidelines, and your attention is drawn to
the
> > > authentication we require when you come to make your claim.
> > >
> > > Our standard agreement form for record attempts is also
enclosed
> > and
> > > must be signed by yourself and any other individual who may
> > > contribute material as evidence (e.g. photos/videos). This
must
> > be
> > > returned with the above documentation in order for us to
consider
> > > your claim. Please ensure that your claim ID number (above) is
> > > clearly marked on your package and all documentation.
> > >
> > > Once the record has been attempted and you have compiled your
> > claim
> > > and completed the standard record agreement form, they should
be
> > > sent to us here at:
> > >
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> > > The current record is:
> > > The record for the most chin ups in one hour is 512 and was
set
> by
> > > Stephen Hyland (UK) in Stoneleigh, Surrey, UK on 22 January
2005.
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