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Anyone ride this ride? My mare I sold to Cheryl Perry came in 13th, just her second ride! So proud of both of them! Her name is lady KK, my Kaiyoum Might's daughter.

Beth Phillips/New Vision Farm & Design

www.newvisionfarm.com

352-754-1865

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#5801

From: Cindy Williams <Viento40@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

robertarthur...

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thank u!

CINDY

On Nov 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Hope Bass wrote:

If the feed store where you get your feed carries beet pulp w/molasses then they can get it without also.Especially if they want to keep your business.Just ask!The little feed stor here in Wildwood will get just about anything I need and call me when it comes in.

Change your life . Read your Bible.
Hope

From: Cindy Williams <Viento40@comcast.net>
To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 8:32:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

Thanks Bany, and everyone for the info.

Where (or what brand) do you get beet pulp without molasses?

I did find my notes. The woman who spoke with us, was Lori Warren, ,
Phd, PAS, from he Dept of Animal Sciences, UF.

She was great.
CINDY

#5800

From: Hope Bass <bassoaussie@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

bassoaussie

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If the feed store where you get your feed carries beet pulp w/molasses then they can get it without also.Especially if they want to keep your business.Just ask!The little feed stor here in Wildwood will get just about anything I need and call me when it comes in.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

From: Cindy Williams <Viento40@...>
To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 8:32:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

Thanks Bany, and everyone for the info.

Where (or what brand) do you get beet pulp without molasses?

I did find my notes. The woman who spoke with us, was Lori Warren, ,
Phd, PAS, from he Dept of Animal Sciences, UF.

She was great.
CINDY

#5799

From: Hope Bass <bassoaussie@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: Personal Awareness by Will Clinging

bassoaussie

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Thats cool! I like that!

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

From: Bany Cranmer <giddyupbc@...>
To: sedra@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 7:24:42 AM
Subject: RE: [SEDRA] Personal Awareness by Will Clinging

Amen!

Our little training group has a saying that we keep repeating (to remind ourselves) "You have to expect the best to get the best".

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups. com
From: Gotarace2@aol. com
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:08:49 -0500
Subject: [SEDRA] Personal Awareness by Will Clinging

We all struggle at some point, to master particular riding skills. How do we verbalize that struggle? As we attempt to reach our equine-related goals we may find ourselves proclaiming, “I'll never__” or “I can't__”. Consider how this works against all efforts, imprinting in one's mind that the desired goal is unattainable. How often do we see horses mirroring their owner's outlook, especially over a period of time?

Equestrians at all levels can benefit from choosing positive declarations for a new perspective and a new level of effectiveness and satisfaction in and out of the saddle. Enjoy this month's article and have a joy-filled Thanksgiving!

-–The Gals at Long Riders Gear

Personal Awareness
by Will Clinging

The more horses and people I work with the more I am convinced that personal awareness is extremely important. By being aware of our mental outlook, emotional state and physical well being we can become more aware of our horses. There is a lot more that goes into training a horse than just physical exercises and maneuvers. Without the right balance of mind and body, the task of training the mind and body of a horse can be more difficult than it needs to be.

Our mental outlook covers many different things. As it applies to horse training it is the way we perceive the training process. The attitudes we take into the process will to a large degree dictate our success. If the mental attitude is positive it will be reinforced with positive physical responses. Combining a positive attitude and positive physical aids can help us be proactive in our training. A negative attitude will cause more reactive physical responses. Being aware mentally will allow you the opportunity to notice what your horse has done for you or to you. You can then make a decision to respond with an appropriate reward or reprimand rather than reacting negatively to the situation. Mental outlook will also be a factor in the mental discipline that you take into your training program. Discipline is necessary to be consistent and consistency is important to achieve positive results.

Emotional state is essentially how you feel about what you are doing. Horse training can be a very dangerous process depending on what point of the training you and your horse are at. Green horses or horses that are not well behaved can seriously affect your emotional state. We can not easily control our emotional state, and although you should not dwell on it, do not ignore it. Before I get on any horse I try to be aware of how I feel at that particular moment with my thoughts on riding that particular horse. If I get a sense that things are okay, I continue with my ride. Since I ride many young horses at various stages of training, if I feel that the horse is not ready for whatever reason I do not get on. I make the focus of my lesson to help the horse deal with what is stressing it and leave the ride for later or for another day. I am not prepared to sacrifice my emotional state and my physical being for the sake of one ride. If I get on and the ride does not go well, apart from the physical risk, there is a confidence risk. There is the possible destruction of confidence to consider - mine and the horse's. Confidence is a fragile thing and once lost it is a very slow rebuilding process. Confidence is the mastery of fear, not the absence of fear.

Physical well-being is just as important as the mental and emotional aspects. As I get older I seem to be more aware of where I hurt! If I am more sore than usual I will take this into consideration. I may feel well enough to ride some horses but too slow in my physical responses to be safe and effective riding a very green or sensitive horse that cannot compensate for small errors on my part. The better I know my horse the easier this decision is to make. The more I am aware of my physical limitations and abilities the safer I will stay.

After you take the time to consider your mental, emotional and physical factors take another minute and consider the mental, emotional and physical state of your horse. What attitude does he bring to the picture? Is he scared, mad or happy? Is he as stiff and sore as you are? These things should help you decide on how to approach the day's lessons. There is more to training than just the physical body of the horse. The techniques you employ are not nearly as important as the way you approach them. If you are honest and sincere with yourself about how you approach the process mentally, emotionally and physically then you will be just as sincere with your horse.

About The Author...
Will Clinging has worked with thousands of horses in a variety of disciplines from Reining and Dressage, to Polo and Jumping. Influenced by many trainers, Will has adapted skills he learned from others into his own approach based on classical equitation and an understanding of the horse's point of view, all in the spirit of effectively motivating the horse as an individual.

#5798

From: Cindy Williams <Viento40@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

robertarthur...

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Thanks Bany, and everyone for the info.

Where (or what brand) do you get beet pulp without molasses?

I did find my notes.  The woman who spoke with us, was Lori Warren, ,
Phd, PAS, from he Dept of Animal Sciences, UF.

She was great.
CINDY

#5797

From: Bany Cranmer <giddyupbc@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: RE: Easy Keeper

gogomozi

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Hi Cindy,

Thanks for the update from the convention! I'm a big believer in beet pulp, both as a slow-burn source of energy & a source of fiber. I also like the fact that by soaking it, we add some moisture to their gut. But it seems I remember that it's a bit too high in calcium & needs some fat - I think that's why a mix with oats & flax was recommended. I'll have to see if I can find the Horse Journal article I'm thinking of...

I feed soaked beet pulp without molasses - I usually soak it about 12 hrs, soaking the next feeding when I feed a meal. Longer than that & I can start to smell the beets. Because my "race horse" is on the DA list right now & I also have a 10h pony, beet pulp & flax is all I've been feeding. I like to feed probiotics as well & I add salt daily & electrolytes only at rides. Both boys are too fat!

Even when I do feed a commercial feed, I use Seminole Safe & Light, which is beet pulp based, so it's probably a waste since I don't feed enough to get benefit from the added vitamins/minerals. So I'm glad to see that Seminole's balancer can be used to balance beet pulp!

Bany

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: Viento40@...
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:15:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

Hi Bany,

I cant answer your question, but I have one for you. What do you mean by a beet pulp balancer? Like many, I am still learning about the many choices out there to feed our horses and every horse has a different need.

I feed Triple Crown Supplement for my very easy keepers, prior to this, they were on Triple crown light. I just attended a convention, and several people spoke on feed. The one "expert" from UF with a PHd was saying Beet Pulp was a great source (of Fiber I believe). I cant find my notes as the house is all tore up due to painting and floors. Anyway, she had great things to say about beet pulp. The thing I got out of the information she gave us was 1-balancing calcium and phosphorus correctly is important 2-every horse has different needs and 3-feed the same stuff on a regular basis, for instance not to give something only once a week, and change very slowly, perhaps over two weeks. As for beet pulp, she said if "we" soak it, not to let it soak for over an hour as it will start to ferment. She says some horses will and can eat it dry.

Looking forward to hearing from you, and seeing what else I can learn. As it sounds like beet pulp is a staple (? for lack of a better word) of your horses diet right now? Do you feed it wet or dry?

CINDY

On Nov 14, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Bany Cranmer wrote:

For those who don't like to grind their own flax (like me!) I found a great stabilized flax product called Omega Horseshine. The least expensive place I found to buy it is SmartPaks.

Now with Mo on stall rest he's becoming a butterball... he is only getting beet pulp/flax/salt & coastal hay with a little bit of T&O hay as well. But I've been thinking... I sure wish someone made a supplement that would balance beet pulp for those very easy keepers! Although Oats/beet pulp/flax combination is supposed to be pretty well balanced, oats have too high of a glycemic index for my taste so I prefer not to feed them. Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

Bany

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: Gotarace2@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper
Send

I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed, coastal hay and free choice grass balancer mineral.....oats if she starts working.

http://www.seminolefeed.com/Supplements.htm

In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:49:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, koehler_jen@yahoo.com writes:
/or vitamin/mineral supplement

#5796

From: Bany Cranmer <giddyupbc@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:24 pm
Subject: RE: Personal Awareness by Will Clinging

gogomozi

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Amen!

Our little training group has a saying that we keep repeating (to remind ourselves) "You have to expect the best to get the best".

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:08:49 -0500
Subject: [SEDRA] Personal Awareness by Will Clinging

We all struggle at some point, to master particular riding skills. How do we verbalize that struggle? As we attempt to reach our equine-related goals we may find ourselves proclaiming, �I'll never__� or �I can't__�. Consider how this works against all efforts, imprinting in one's mind that the desired goal is unattainable. How often do we see horses mirroring their owner's outlook, especially over a period of time?

Equestrians at all levels can benefit from choosing positive declarations for a new perspective and a new level of effectiveness and satisfaction in and out of the saddle. Enjoy this month's article and have a joy-filled Thanksgiving!

-�The Gals at Long Riders Gear

Personal Awareness
by Will Clinging

The more horses and people I work with the more I am convinced that personal awareness is extremely important. By being aware of our mental outlook, emotional state and physical well being we can become more aware of our horses. There is a lot more that goes into training a horse than just physical exercises and maneuvers. Without the right balance of mind and body, the task of training the mind and body of a horse can be more difficult than it needs to be.

Our mental outlook covers many different things. As it applies to horse training it is the way we perceive the training process. The attitudes we take into the process will to a large degree dictate our success. If the mental attitude is positive it will be reinforced with positive physical responses. Combining a positive attitude and positive physical aids can help us be proactive in our training. A negative attitude will cause more reactive physical responses. Being aware mentally will allow you the opportunity to notice what your horse has done for you or to you. You can then make a decision to respond with an appropriate reward or reprimand rather than reacting negatively to the situation. Mental outlook will also be a factor in the mental discipline that you take into your training program. Discipline is necessary to be consistent and consistency is important to achieve positive results.

Emotional state is essentially how you feel about what you are doing. Horse training can be a very dangerous process depending on what point of the training you and your horse are at. Green horses or horses that are not well behaved can seriously affect your emotional state. We can not easily control our emotional state, and although you should not dwell on it, do not ignore it. Before I get on any horse I try to be aware of how I feel at that particular moment with my thoughts on riding that particular horse. If I get a sense that things are okay, I continue with my ride. Since I ride many young horses at various stages of training, if I feel that the horse is not ready for whatever reason I do not get on. I make the focus of my lesson to help the horse deal with what is stressing it and leave the ride for later or for another day. I am not prepared to sacrifice my emotional state and my physical being for the sake of one ride. If I get on and the ride does not go well, apart from the physical risk, there is a confidence risk. There is the possible destruction of confidence to consider - mine and the horse's. Confidence is a fragile thing and once lost it is a very slow rebuilding process. Confidence is the mastery of fear, not the absence of fear.

Physical well-being is just as important as the mental and emotional aspects. As I get older I seem to be more aware of where I hurt! If I am more sore than usual I will take this into consideration. I may feel well enough to ride some horses but too slow in my physical responses to be safe and effective riding a very green or sensitive horse that cannot compensate for small errors on my part. The better I know my horse the easier this decision is to make. The more I am aware of my physical limitations and abilities the safer I will stay.

After you take the time to consider your mental, emotional and physical factors take another minute and consider the mental, emotional and physical state of your horse. What attitude does he bring to the picture? Is he scared, mad or happy? Is he as stiff and sore as you are? These things should help you decide on how to approach the day's lessons. There is more to training than just the physical body of the horse. The techniques you employ are not nearly as important as the way you approach them. If you are honest and sincere with yourself about how you approach the process mentally, emotionally and physically then you will be just as sincere with your horse.

About The Author...
Will Clinging has worked with thousands of horses in a variety of disciplines from Reining and Dressage, to Polo and Jumping. Influenced by many trainers, Will has adapted skills he learned from others into his own approach based on classical equitation and an understanding of the horse's point of view, all in the spirit of effectively motivating the horse as an individual.

#5795

From: Bany Cranmer <giddyupbc@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:16 pm
Subject: RE: Flax Seed....was easy keeper

gogomozi

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And... the pre-ground flax can actually go rancid after a while. Feeding unstabilized pre-ground flax is pretty much wasting your money. The product I mentioned is barely more than $1/lb, which is pretty much what my feed store charges for their pre-ground flax.

I found that grinding my own was messy & the seeds didn't get ground well enough (that doesn't matter much, it's just my preference) & just one more thing to do at barn-chore time. Being a full-time (+) working gal, I am always looking for things to make life easier!

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:23:05 -0500
Subject: [SEDRA] Flax Seed....was easy keeper

Well you can... it's just not the freshest. Once you crack the shell on the flax seed it becomes "unstable" and looses the benefits it provides rapidly by the day, do you know how long those baggies were on the shelf?

You can buy the seed whole (cheaper) and place in a small coffee grinder, throw it in the feed (in 2 seconds) or your can buy stabilized flax ($$) which doesn't loose it freshness "as fast" and has other goodies mixed in, that is what Bany and Jackie were talking about.

I've even fed the flax seed whole, the seeds that don't get pounded on by the horses teeth, end up on those cute little horse apples! If you spread your manure or throw it in your garden, add a little rain, you grow pretty blue flowers!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 8:39:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bassoaussie@yahoo.com writes:

Why not buy the flax ground?If they know thats what you want they should carry it.I get mine from spar and wildwood feed.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

#5794

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:08 am
Subject: Personal Awareness by Will Clinging

caren.stauffer

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We all struggle at some point, to master particular riding skills. How do we verbalize that struggle? As we attempt to reach our equine-related goals we may find ourselves proclaiming, “I'll never__” or “I can't__”. Consider how this works against all efforts, imprinting in one's mind that the desired goal is unattainable. How often do we see horses mirroring their owner's outlook, especially over a period of time?

Equestrians at all levels can benefit from choosing positive declarations for a new perspective and a new level of effectiveness and satisfaction in and out of the saddle. Enjoy this month's article and have a joy-filled Thanksgiving!

-–The Gals at Long Riders Gear

Personal Awareness
by Will Clinging

The more horses and people I work with the more I am convinced that personal awareness is extremely important. By being aware of our mental outlook, emotional state and physical well being we can become more aware of our horses. There is a lot more that goes into training a horse than just physical exercises and maneuvers. Without the right balance of mind and body, the task of training the mind and body of a horse can be more difficult than it needs to be.

Our mental outlook covers many different things. As it applies to horse training it is the way we perceive the training process. The attitudes we take into the process will to a large degree dictate our success. If the mental attitude is positive it will be reinforced with positive physical responses. Combining a positive attitude and positive physical aids can help us be proactive in our training. A negative attitude will cause more reactive physical responses. Being aware mentally will allow you the opportunity to notice what your horse has done for you or to you. You can then make a decision to respond with an appropriate reward or reprimand rather than reacting negatively to the situation. Mental outlook will also be a factor in the mental discipline that you take into your training program. Discipline is necessary to be consistent and consistency is important to achieve positive results.

Emotional state is essentially how you feel about what you are doing. Horse training can be a very dangerous process depending on what point of the training you and your horse are at. Green horses or horses that are not well behaved can seriously affect your emotional state. We can not easily control our emotional state, and although you should not dwell on it, do not ignore it. Before I get on any horse I try to be aware of how I feel at that particular moment with my thoughts on riding that particular horse. If I get a sense that things are okay, I continue with my ride. Since I ride many young horses at various stages of training, if I feel that the horse is not ready for whatever reason I do not get on. I make the focus of my lesson to help the horse deal with what is stressing it and leave the ride for later or for another day. I am not prepared to sacrifice my emotional state and my physical being for the sake of one ride. If I get on and the ride does not go well, apart from the physical risk, there is a confidence risk. There is the possible destruction of confidence to consider - mine and the horse's. Confidence is a fragile thing and once lost it is a very slow rebuilding process. Confidence is the mastery of fear, not the absence of fear.

Physical well-being is just as important as the mental and emotional aspects. As I get older I seem to be more aware of where I hurt! If I am more sore than usual I will take this into consideration. I may feel well enough to ride some horses but too slow in my physical responses to be safe and effective riding a very green or sensitive horse that cannot compensate for small errors on my part. The better I know my horse the easier this decision is to make. The more I am aware of my physical limitations and abilities the safer I will stay.

After you take the time to consider your mental, emotional and physical factors take another minute and consider the mental, emotional and physical state of your horse. What attitude does he bring to the picture? Is he scared, mad or happy? Is he as stiff and sore as you are? These things should help you decide on how to approach the day's lessons. There is more to training than just the physical body of the horse. The techniques you employ are not nearly as important as the way you approach them. If you are honest and sincere with yourself about how you approach the process mentally, emotionally and physically then you will be just as sincere with your horse.

About The Author...
Will Clinging has worked with thousands of horses in a variety of disciplines from Reining and Dressage, to Polo and Jumping. Influenced by many trainers, Will has adapted skills he learned from others into his own approach based on classical equitation and an understanding of the horse's point of view, all in the spirit of effectively motivating the horse as an individual.

#5793

From: Bany Cranmer <giddyupbc@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:09 pm
Subject: RE: Easy Keeper

gogomozi

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Yippee, that's what I need! Thanks Caren!

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:04:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

The Seminole Equalizer is for those who feed oats/or beet pulp and hay! C

http://www.seminolefeed.com/ProductSheetsforWeb/Equalizer.htm down towards the bottom of the page, it mentions that beet pulp can be supplemented instead of oats (that is if you choose to do so)!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:59:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, giddyupbc@hotmail.com writes:

Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

#5792

From: Bany Cranmer <giddyupbc@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:08 pm
Subject: RE: Easy Keeper

gogomozi

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Good snag Linda! I guess they are a couple bucks cheaper because their price includes shipping.

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: lwinkel@...
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:44:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

Bany the cheapest place I found for the horseshine was direct from them.

Linda

----- Original Message -----

From: Bany Cranmer

To: sedra@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:59 AM

Subject: RE: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

For those who don't like to grind their own flax (like me!) I found a great stabilized flax product called Omega Horseshine. The least expensive place I found to buy it is SmartPaks.

Now with Mo on stall rest he's becoming a butterball... he is only getting beet pulp/flax/salt & coastal hay with a little bit of T&O hay as well. But I've been thinking... I sure wish someone made a supplement that would balance beet pulp for those very easy keepers! Although Oats/beet pulp/flax combination is supposed to be pretty well balanced, oats have too high of a glycemic index for my taste so I prefer not to feed them. Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

Bany

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: Gotarace2@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper
Send

I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed, coastal hay and free choice grass balancer mineral.....oats if she starts working.

http://www.seminolefeed.com/Supplements.htm

In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:49:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, koehler_jen@yahoo.com writes:

/or vitamin/mineral supplement

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#5791

From: "Michael" <randemacres@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:46 am
Subject: Re: Flax Seed....was easy keeper

lookinforthe...

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Flax seed oil is easily degraded by heat and will become rancid quickly. Florida
is not a happy place for the flaxseed oil or ground flax which can be purchased
in 50lb bags. The best thing is to just feed it whole or grind it before feeding
as what has been stated here.

Bany, look up beet pulp and I think you will be surprised at the nutritional
value that it has. We fed it exclusively for years and I just added a basic
multivitamin with it. Our horses all thrived on that plus the addition of rice
bran and occasional flax. We do feed a t/a mix hay though as well.

FWIW, Tammy

#5790

From: JQ Baker <jqbaker@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:04 am
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

equesb

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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Cindy Williams <Viento40@...> wrote:

�

Hi Bany,

I cant answer your question, but I have one for you. �What do you mean by a beet pulp balancer? Like many, I am still learning about the many choices out there to feed our horses and every horse has a different need.

I feed Triple Crown Supplement for my very easy keepers, prior to this, they were on Triple crown light. �I just attended a convention, and several people spoke on feed. The one "expert" �from UF with a PHd was saying Beet Pulp was a great source (of Fiber I believe). I cant find my notes as the house is all tore up due to painting and floors. � Anyway, she had great things to say about beet pulp. �The thing I got out of the information she gave us was 1-balancing calcium and phosphorus correctly is important 2-every horse has different needs and 3-feed the same stuff on a regular basis, for instance not to give something only once a week, and change very slowly, perhaps over two weeks. �As for beet pulp, she said if "we" soak it, not to let it soak for over an hour as it will start to ferment. She says some horses will and can eat it dry.

Looking forward to hearing from you, and seeing what else I can learn. As it sounds like beet pulp is a staple (? for lack of a better word) of your horses diet right now? Do you feed it wet or dry? �

CINDY

On Nov 14, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Bany Cranmer wrote:

For those who don't like to grind their own flax (like me!) I found a great stabilized flax product called Omega Horseshine. The least expensive place I found to buy it is SmartPaks.

Now with Mo on stall rest he's becoming a butterball... he is only getting beet pulp/flax/salt & coastal hay with a little bit of T&O hay as well. But I've been thinking... I sure wish someone made a supplement that would balance beet pulp for those very easy keepers! Although Oats/beet pulp/flax combination is supposed to be pretty well balanced, oats have too high of a glycemic index for my taste so I prefer not to feed them. Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?�

Bany

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper
Send
�

I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed,�coastal hay�and free choice grass balancer mineral.....oats if she starts working.�

�

http://www.seminolefeed.com/Supplements.htm

�

In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:49:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, koehler_jen@... writes:

/or vitamin/mineral supplement

#5789

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:20 am
Subject: Re: Flax Seed....was easy keeper

caren.stauffer

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Typical hammer mills, which grind and process feeds are not ideal processing plants for flax, because the seed is smashed open, the oil is exposed and oxidation begins immediately.

The essential fatty acids in flax seed can be damaged by exposure to oxygen and light. So while the ground flax is somewhat easier to digest (since the seed coat is broken) it will not have as many of the desirable fatty acids as the whole seed does. Whole flax keeps much better than ground flax.

Stabilized is another name for the way is processed, to preserve the oils.... (this is not something you can see or smell!)

In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:40:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bassoaussie@... writes:

So how long does it have to set before its 'unstable'? And what is unstable? I buy it because of the oil in the seed. oils dont start going bad for at least a week.I always ask how long the feed has been setting.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

From: "Gotarace2@aol.com" <Gotarace2@aol.com>
To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:23:05 AM
Subject: [SEDRA] Flax Seed....was easy keeper

Well you can... it's just not the freshest. Once you crack the shell on the flax seed it becomes "unstable" and looses the benefits it provides rapidly by the day, do you know how long those baggies were on the shelf?

You can buy the seed whole (cheaper) and place in a small coffee grinder, throw it in the feed (in 2 seconds) or your can buy stabilized flax ($$) which doesn't loose it freshness "as fast" and has other goodies mixed in, that is what Bany and Jackie were talking about.

I've even fed the flax seed whole, the seeds that don't get pounded on by the horses teeth, end up on those cute little horse apples! If you spread your manure or throw it in your garden, add a little rain, you grow pretty blue flowers!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 8:39:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bassoaussie@ yahoo.com writes:

Why not buy the flax ground?If they know thats what you want they should carry it.I get mine from spar and wildwood feed.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

#5788

From: Cindy Williams <Viento40@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

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Hi Bany,

Looking forward to hearing from you, and seeing what else I can learn. As it sounds like beet pulp is a staple (? for lack of a better word) of your horses diet right now? Do you feed it wet or dry?

CINDY

On Nov 14, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Bany Cranmer wrote:

For those who don't like to grind their own flax (like me!) I found a great stabilized flax product called Omega Horseshine. The least expensive place I found to buy it is SmartPaks.

Now with Mo on stall rest he's becoming a butterball... he is only getting beet pulp/flax/salt & coastal hay with a little bit of T&O hay as well. But I've been thinking... I sure wish someone made a supplement that would balance beet pulp for those very easy keepers! Although Oats/beet pulp/flax combination is supposed to be pretty well balanced, oats have too high of a glycemic index for my taste so I prefer not to feed them. Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

Bany

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From: Gotarace2@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper
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I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed, coastal hay and free choice grass balancer mineral.....oats if she starts working.

http://www.seminolefeed.com/Supplements.htm

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/or vitamin/mineral supplement

#5787

From: Hope Bass <bassoaussie@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: Flax Seed....was easy keeper

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So how long does it have to set before its 'unstable'? And what is unstable? I buy it because of the oil in the seed. oils dont start going bad for at least a week.I always ask how long the feed has been setting.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

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Subject: [SEDRA] Flax Seed....was easy keeper

In a message dated 11/14/2009 8:39:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bassoaussie@ yahoo.com writes:

Why not buy the flax ground?If they know thats what you want they should carry it.I get mine from spar and wildwood feed.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

#5786

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:23 am
Subject: Flax Seed....was easy keeper

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In a message dated 11/14/2009 8:39:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bassoaussie@... writes:

Why not buy the flax ground?If they know thats what you want they should carry it.I get mine from spar and wildwood feed.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

#5785

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:04 am
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

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The Seminole Equalizer is for those who feed oats/or beet pulp and hay! C

http://www.seminolefeed.com/ProductSheetsforWeb/Equalizer.htm down towards the bottom of the page, it mentions that beet pulp can be supplemented instead of oats (that is if you choose to do so)!

In a message dated 11/14/2009 6:59:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, giddyupbc@... writes:

Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

#5784

From: Hope Bass <bassoaussie@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

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Why not buy the flax ground?If they know thats what you want they should carry it.I get mine from spar and wildwood feed.

Change your life . Read your Bible.

Hope

From: Linda Winkel <lwinkel@...>
To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 7:44:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

Bany the cheapest place I found for the horseshine was direct from them.

Linda

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From: Bany Cranmer

To: sedra@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:59 AM

Subject: RE: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

For those who don't like to grind their own flax (like me!) I found a great stabilized flax product called Omega Horseshine. The least expensive place I found to buy it is SmartPaks.

Now with Mo on stall rest he's becoming a butterball.. . he is only getting beet pulp/flax/salt & coastal hay with a little bit of T&O hay as well. But I've been thinking... I sure wish someone made a supplement that would balance beet pulp for those very easy keepers! Although Oats/beet pulp/flax combination is supposed to be pretty well balanced, oats have too high of a glycemic index for my taste so I prefer not to feed them. Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

Bany

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From: Gotarace2@aol. com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper
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I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed, coastal hay and free choice grass balancer mineral..... oats if she starts working.

http://www.seminole feed.com/ Supplements. htm

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/or vitamin/mineral supplement

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#5783

From: "Linda Winkel" <lwinkel@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

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Bany the cheapest place I found for the horseshine was direct from them.

Linda

----- Original Message -----

From: Bany Cranmer

To: sedra@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:59 AM

Subject: RE: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper

For those who don't like to grind their own flax (like me!) I found a great stabilized flax product called Omega Horseshine. The least expensive place I found to buy it is SmartPaks.

Now with Mo on stall rest he's becoming a butterball... he is only getting beet pulp/flax/salt & coastal hay with a little bit of T&O hay as well. But I've been thinking... I sure wish someone made a supplement that would balance beet pulp for those very easy keepers! Although Oats/beet pulp/flax combination is supposed to be pretty well balanced, oats have too high of a glycemic index for my taste so I prefer not to feed them. Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

Bany

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From: Gotarace2@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper
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I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed, coastal hay and free choice grass balancer mineral.....oats if she starts working.

http://www.seminolefeed.com/Supplements.htm

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#5782

From: Bany Cranmer <giddyupbc@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:59 am
Subject: RE: Easy Keeper

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http://www.seminolefeed.com/Supplements.htm

For those who don't like to grind their own flax (like me!) I found a great stabilized flax product called Omega Horseshine. The least expensive place I found to buy it is SmartPaks.

Now with Mo on stall rest he's becoming a butterball... he is only getting beet pulp/flax/salt & coastal hay with a little bit of T&O hay as well. But I've been thinking... I sure wish someone made a supplement that would balance beet pulp for those very easy keepers! Although Oats/beet pulp/flax combination is supposed to be pretty well balanced, oats have too high of a glycemic index for my taste so I prefer not to feed them. Has anyone ever heard of a "beet pulp balancer"?

Bany

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From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Easy Keeper
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I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed, coastal hay and free choice grass balancer mineral.....oats if she starts working.

In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:49:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, koehler_jen@yahoo.com writes:

/or vitamin/mineral supplement

#5781

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:00 am
Subject: Re: Easy Keeper

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http://www.seminolefeed.com/Supplements.htm

I feed my easy keeper.... Semoniole Brand Equalizer, freshly ground flax seed, coastal hay and free choice grass balancer mineral.....oats if she starts working.

In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:49:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, koehler_jen@... writes:

/or vitamin/mineral supplement

#5780

From: diamondpr@...
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:56 am
Subject: Re: Hi from new member!

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Hi Melissa,
Your name sounds awfully familiar! Did you used to live in the Pensacola/Milton area and your email addy was something like lunaluna or hulahula?? Did you used to ride with Christina Schiro?

If this is the same Melissa, I'm Kellye who Christina used to board with in Milton. I see we both managed to escape the extreme NW panhandle and have moved on to greener pastures and MORE TRAILS TO RIDE than you can shake a stick at!! Hooray for us!!

If it's not the same Melissa, welcome anyway!!:) Do you have a website for your tack business?

If you ever make it to any rides down this way, it'll be great to see you again! I'm in Eustis now, between Orlando and Ocala, horse country of Florida, and lovin' it. It's great to be home again.

Happy Trails and Welcome to the SEDRA group!

Kellye Pollard

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#5779

From: "J. Koehler" <koehler_jen@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:48 pm
Subject: Natural Feeding - Soybean Oil

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http://www.thenaturalvet.net/cgi-bin/genesis.exe/st_main.html?p_catid=1&sid=30BJcg2EN7ZWBZ8-48109465267.e9

Hello,

Since August I have been feeding my mare a "natural" diet of Oats with Dr. Dan's feed supplements:

But, it is a little pricey, since the Weight Check Oil is Soybean Oil, I was wondering if anybody knew of an alternative and less expensive means of obtaining Soybean Oil.

The Just Add Oats supplement is primarily a vitamin and mineral mix added to whole Oats.

My mare has done well on it (she is an easy keeper), but I just to get some feedback on a Soybean Oil and/or vitamin/mineral supplement.

Thanks!

Jennifer

Panama City, FL

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#5778

From: JQ Baker <jqbaker@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: Hi from new member!

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