Jeffers Equine Seminar with FREE BBQ Dinner

Please respond to Tamara if you are interested....

From: tssierrasgirl@...
To: gotarace2@...
Sent: 11/1/2008 9:15:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: South Eastern Distance Riders Assn.: Freeform saddle

This is an enquiry e-mail via http://distanceriding.org from:
Tamara Sweeny <tssierrasgirl@...>

I have a new Freeform classic endurance saddle,that I would like to sell. The saddle is beautiful and extremely comfortable for both horse and rider.

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#2445

From: "Beth Allen" <uncabuc@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:24 pm
Subject: Morab that needs good home

uncabuc45

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My friend is looking for a home for her horse, Angel. She did endurance with her other Arab that has since passed and is she is no longer riding.

She’s definitely not an endurance horse, but told her I’d send this out.

Txs

Beth

-----Original Message-----
From: KSlaven [mailto:kslaven@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:40 AM
To: Beth Allen
Subject: GREAT SEEING YOU! Angel...

Angel:

16 yr old Morgan Arabian (no papers), 15.3, Chestnut, white blaze, rear white sock; good looking mare.

Born New Mexico, great on trails; usually lead mare. SPECIAL NEEDS:

Pulled tendon rear leg now allows only light trail riding; has had Pat Parelli training, some dressage, many miles of N.M., CO. & AZ, FL trail riding. She needs open property, open access to stall, and at least one equine buddy!! Very social. Great with voice commands; very sweet mare. Owner can no longer ride at all. Need a good, safe, home please.

Kathleen Slaven 813-215-8528

#2444

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:03 pm
Subject: From The Horse - Eco Friendly Farm

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The Eco-Friendly Farm
by: Stephanie L. Church, Copy/Features Editor
July 01 2008, Article # 12425

Go green with your farm to make your horses healthier, the environment cleaner, and even improve the neighbors' opinion of your place.

There's a lot of buzz about "going green" these days. From installing energy-efficient fluorescent bulbs to carrying reusable grocery bags, we've made steps in our households toward impacting the environment less and improving the global climate. Managing horses is generally not forgiving to the environment (visualize brownish streams coming down the hillside from the manure pile in the rain, and fly spray chemicals rinsing down the wash stall drain). In this article we offer ways we can adjust our management to be more environmentally friendly.

Getting Greener

Joyce Harman, DVM, of Harmany Equine Clinic in Flint Hill, Va., and Alayne Blickle of Horses for Clean Water in Maple Valley, Wash., suggest the following additional tips for going green:
Soil, water, and general farm health:

Install gutters and downspouts on all buildings. This diverts clean rainwater away from high-traffic areas, and it reduces the amount of sediment that gets into the surface water.
Plant trees as barriers, i.e., dust barriers and protection for the banks of streams and ponds.
Run fecal exams on resident horses and deworm only the horses that need to be dewormed. By doing this you will minimize the chemical load that goes into the pastures.
Use organic fertilizers and natural mineral compounds, such as rock phosphate.
Mow weeds when you're about to rest a pasture; most can't withstand mowing and will die out. Also, the grass tends to shade out the weeds and it grows better, preventing erosion.
Use biodegradable and nontoxic products around the barn (shampoos, cleansers, etc.). Channel wash water into grassy areas so it can be absorbed into the soil.
Use nontoxic weed spray or a weed eater. Mowing tall weeds helps keep mosquitoes down.

Pest control:

Install bird houses specific for the type of bird you are encouraging (such as purple martins, bluebirds, barn swallows, violet-green swallows, and tree swallows). Some of these creatures can eat several thousand soft-bodied flying insects per day. Set out shed or trimmed dog and horse hair so bug-loving birds can use it for building their nests.
Avoid using ivermectin and moxidectin dewormers during the summer months (Or always compost all manure for 24 hours after deworming. Any active dewormer will bind with soil and become inactive in a short period of time during the compost process.) Active dewormers in the manure or soil tend to prevent the natural breakdown of manure and deter dung beetles (read about dung beetles in article #5851 at TheHorse.com).
A barn attracts fewer flies and other insects if it's kept fairly dark inside during the day. A strong fan or breeze can help, and fly masks/sheets are excellent nontoxic insect controls.

Also good for your horse:

Test the well water to see what your horses are drinking, and filter city water that they drink.
Offer organic feed to your horses. Although, Harman says, "Quite honestly, horses need mostly hay, water, and a simple grain mix, and probably some vitamins and minerals."

Conserving energy and resources:

Put the lights (converted to energy-saving fluorescents) on timers.
Convert lights on the farm to solar power. Harman knows farm owners who have installed solar-powered lights in the indoor and outdoor arenas and in the barn.
Install automatic waterers that are powered by geothermic heat; this keeps the water cool in the summer and above freezing in the winter, and no electricity is required.
Reuse is just as important as recycling. If you are tearing apart one structure and building another, reuse wood that still might be in good shape.
Build with lumber from sustainable forests, or go with locally sourced wood and labor.
Use bedding made from wood byproducts (such as wood pellets or straw pellets that compost easily), rather than virgin wood. (Always avoid black walnut shavings because of potential laminitis complications.)

--Stephanie L. Church

Water Quality
Alayne Blickle, program director for Horses for Clean Water, says reducing nonpoint source pollution should be horse owners' first goal when they go green. Nonpoint source pollution is caused by runoff during rainfall or snowmelt that picks up and carries away natural (urine and manure, for example) and human-made (i.e., pesticides) pollutants, depositing them into natural bodies of water and ground water.
"The bottom line is protecting water quality," she says. "Drinking water and surface water really are our number one issue in the world today."
Through Horses for Clean Water, which is based in Maple Valley, Wash., Blickle and her husband have helped hundreds of horse owners move toward more environmentally friendly farm management methods through farm tours, seminars, and e-newsletters.
"For horse owners, protecting the water supply means reducing any runoff that might be from mud and manure, it means keeping rainwater clean, and it means conserving water, particularly for some parts of the country," Blickle says. "Some of the things people can do are creating a sacrifice area or a paddock ... this helps keep pastures from becoming overgrazed in the summer and muddy and compacted in the winter. And the reason why having good pasture is important for water quality is the grass holds the soil in place. Soil is very valuable, and if it gets washed off, it can produce a potential surface water issue."
Joyce Harman, DVM, who runs Harmany Equine Clinic in Flint Hill, Va., a holistic practice, went "green" with her stable and clinic many years ago. "You really need to look for a local building contractor, people who build riding arenas, and if they do a good job, they should be very clued in on how to make the land work--where to put ditches, etc.," she says. "Local county extension offices can be a good resource as well, because they're accustomed to giving advice on farmland to improve it."
Harman says the Conservation Reserve Enhancement Program, or CREP, a USDA-subsidized program that helps people improve the drainage to prevent erosion problems on farms (www.fsa.usda.gov/FSA/webapp?area=home&subject=copr&topic=cep), is also ready to help farm owners figure out where they can fence off consistently wet and flood plain areas. "They pay you for taking some of your land out of production," she explains. "People have creek crossings that are all torn up, and if you fence off the creeks, they will build you a creek crossing. There are quite a few resources out there to try and help people with conserving water quality."
Soil Quality
Soil quality goes hand in hand with water quality, since water moves and is filtered through soil. The cause of a soil pollution problem can be from runoff from neighboring properties, or it could be linked to streams that flow through agricultural-use land before running through your farm. According to Blickle, toxic elements such as arsenic naturally occur in the soil. Contaminated or unhealthy soil can make it difficult to grow nutritive grass, and it can cause health problems in your horses that eat the grass.
Blickle and Harman recommend testing your soil. Once you see what organic matter and good bacteria are in it, you'll have a better idea of your soil health and what you can do to improve it. Contact your county extension or conservation district offices for soil testing advice, or look to www.acresusa.com for more holistic soil information.
Also, consider what the land was used for prior to your ownership. If it was used to grow apples, oranges, peaches, grapes, or other crops, there could be toxins in the soil. "If your soil has had that sort of thing happen to it in the past, then get some of these holistic soil guys to help," advises Harman. Those businesses devoted to "cleaning up" soil for farm owners, and, according to Harman, their treatments can be quite effective.
She says soil quality has been the source of problems at several farms where horses showed a variety of clinical signs that didn't improve with treatment. Describing a recent farm she visited, Harman says the horses "were not well" and there was no consistent diagnosis or cause, "We did some hair analysis on the horses, determined what they had picked up from the soil (the land had been treated with sludge fertilizer), then we did the detoxification, and (ultimately) they moved away from the farm," says Harman. "Every one of the horses is fine now."
Erosion, Grass Quality
"When you have horses and you have pastures," Blickle says, "really what you are is a grass farmer, and as a grass farmer, your soil is paramount to the productivity of your place and the success of your operation. We don't want to see it get washed off the property; it's very difficult to recreate, and if you don't have it, you can't grow grass."
Erosion problems on horse farms are tremendous. We discussed erosion in the May issue of The Horse, but we again underscore the importance of optimizing grass growth to prevent the problem. Besides being kinder to the environment and making your property more aesthetically pleasing, optimizing your pastures can significantly reduce feed bills and improve the health of your horses, says Harman.
Healthy and healthful grass doesn't equal a perfectly green, lawnlike pasture that's fantastically fertilized and free of weeds, says Harman. "Horses by nature eat a variety of plants; they don't eat just grass. So what we want is to have a field of greens; they can be grasses, some dandelions, and all kinds of little weeds and plants," she says. "The variety of plants keeps the soil together."
Fertilizing/Composting
"Manure management is a huge nonpoint pollution issue, and a pretty easy one to manage," says Blickle. "Because the nutrients and sediments from manure can wash into waterways and leech into ground water, and since many people in rural areas are on wells, it can easily get into the ground water and contaminate drinking water. But you can turn it from a liability to an asset."
The solution is composting. "The former technique (at my farm) was to stockpile it in the back of the pasture," explains Blickle. "But now we compost out by the barn, and spread the finished compost twice a year on the pastures. There's only enough to do one-third of our pastures at any time--and that's with from five to eight horses on three to four acres in pasture. With that many horses and those few acres, we still don't have enough compost.
"The pile reduces in volume about 50% during the composting process, so you end up with only half the problem you started with--a 5-foot-tall pile of manure instead of a 10-foot one--it's so much more manageable," she continues. "We jealously guard it. Sometimes people ask us for some and, quite frankly, we don't give it away, we need it. It's like black gold."
Even though you're essentially storing excrement, the compost pile need not be offensive. "A healthy manure pile has no odor," Harman says. "It's very pleasant. Smells kind of like earth." She notes that in some areas of the country, due to low humidity and high temperature, composting isn't an option. See article #6631 at TheHorse.com for more on composting.
Something that will render your compost worthless as a fertilizer for gardens and can actually harm the environment is feeding your horses hay from fields that have been treated with the herbicide Grazon (containing clopyralid). Manure from horses that have eaten this hay (or grass) still contains the chemical--it will persist in the organic material for five years--and if you compost this manure and put it on an ornamental or vegetable garden, it will kill all broad-leaved plants. If you are unable to find out if your hay sources use Grazon on their pastures, you can try to grow a test plot of vegetables using composted manure from your horses. "Veggies tend to start out fine and grow up to a certain point, then they shrivel up," Harman says.

Resources

Horses for Clean Water, www.horsesforcleanwater.com
Acres U.S.A.--eco-agriculture, www.acresusa.com
National Association of Conservation Districts, www.nacdnet.org
Cooperative Extension System offices, www.crees.usda.gov/Extension

Take-Home Message
Blickle says her farm now is aesthetically pleasing, and the neighbors like it, too. She says their pastures are more productive. "It's healthier for the horses--they are getting a high-quality diet, they're not eating a lot of weeds, and they're not standing in mud so they're not getting exposed to the parasites and pathogens and fungal organisms that live and breed in mud," she says. "Our vet bills have even been reduced."
Harman adds, "I think it's extremely important we be good stewards of the land, and horse farms usually have quite a bit of land associated with them, and that makes it all the more important. Going green contributes to the long-term health of not only the land, but the animals and the people who live on it."
There are additional measures you can take in your own barn to be friendlier to the environment, even beyond caring for water, soil, grass, and managing waste. See "Getting Greener" above for suggestions.

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#2443

From: "Linda" <sacredhorseranch@...>
Date: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:11 am
Subject: Re: Who would like to attend the AERC Trails Master Course?

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Well, POOHIE!  I was going to volunteer as a back -up attendee (in case no one
else was
able to attend), but it's the same weekend as the FHA 50, and  as an FHA board
member,
I'm obligated to volunteer there first...

Linda

--- In SEDRA@yahoogroups.com, Gotarace2@... wrote:
>
> Good Evening Everyone.... With regards to all the new land  projects coming
> forward all over the State of Florida, the SEDRA  Board decided the course
that
> AERC is sponsoring  will provide our membership a wonderful opportunity to
> educate ourselves in  an area that will be greatly appreciated! We have voted
to
> send two  members (you will need to be an AERC member as well) to
> participate, to  include some of the expenses to be reimbursed. Your equipment
fee of
> $120  is paid, a gas allowance of up to $40 per person will be covered. We can
> cover one room (this needs to be shared) or campsite,  the allowance of up to
> $80 per night, for up to 3 nights.  Receipts are required for reimbursement.
In
> return we hope that you share  any printed material and/or equipment received
> and the information you  learned during the class, we will look forward to a
> small  presentation at the upcoming Annual Meeting, we also ask that you be
> on hand to advise in future trail projects!
>
> We have one Board member, Denise Secino that has committed to  going, there
> is one other opening left!
>
>
>
> AERC Trail Masters Course, Offered in Brooksville, Florida
> Near  I-75, midway between Ocala and Tampa
>
> December 11-14, 2008,  Thursday through Sunday
>
> This course teaches the student the  proper techniques for the layout and
> design and construction and maintenance of  sustainable trails with minimal
> environmental impact.  Participants will be  those of you who desire to work
with
> land managers to help develop sustainable  equestrian trails systems on public
> lands.
>
> This course is  sponsored by the American Endurance Ride Conference (AERC).
> Florida  Forever Back Country Horsemen, Inc. (FFBCH), a Florida chapter of the
> Back  Country Horsemen of American, is working with AERC to coordinate this
> effort  with the support of the Withlacoochee State Forest, a division of the
> Florida  Department of Forestry.
>
> Cost for AERC members is $120 to purchase  equipment needed for the course.
> The class is limited to 10 AERC members on a  first come, first serve basis.
> There will also be space for two land managers to  attend.  The class is four
> full days with a half day of classroom  presentation and a half day in the
field
> each day.
>
> To sign up for  this course or get more information, contact Truman Prevatt
> at  tprevatt@... or call (352) 650-1867.  Please let us know as soon
>  as possible if you are interested in attending this class.  Include your
> name, address, email address and phone number.  The $120.00 equipment fee  is
> due to us to by 1 November 2008.
>
> The course will be  held 4 miles from the intersection of US 98 and I75 (exit
> 301 on I75).   There are a number of lodging options in that vicinity. Motels
> include Hampton  Inn, Best Western, Days Inn and Holiday Inn Express. There
> are a couple of local  B&Bs and there is a RV campground within a mile of the
> course in the  Withlacoochee State Forest Silver Lake campground complex.
> There are also  a number of AERC members in the area who you may want to
contact
> for a place to  stay.
>
> We would like to thank AERC for providing this  course.
>
>
>
> We would also like thank Winnie  Schreiber, Forest Supervisor of
> Withlacoochee State Forest (WSF), Ken  Mclaughlin, Director of Recreation WSF,
and Mark
> Good, Supervisor of the Croom  Tract of the WSF for their help and support in
> this  effort.
>
>
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#2442

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:02 pm
Subject: Who would like to attend the AERC Trails Master Course?

caren.stauffer

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Good Evening Everyone.... With regards to all the new land projects coming forward all over the State of Florida, the SEDRA Board decided the course that AERC is sponsoring will provide our membership a wonderful opportunity to educate ourselves in an area that will be greatly appreciated! We have voted to send two members (you will need to be an AERC member as well) to participate, to include some of the expenses to be reimbursed. Your equipment fee of $120 is paid, a gas allowance of up to $40 per person will be covered. We can cover one room (this needs to be shared) or campsite, the allowance of up to $80 per night, for up to 3 nights. Receipts are required for reimbursement. In return we hope that you share any printed material and/or equipment received and the information you learned during the class, we will look forward to a small presentation at the upcoming Annual Meeting, we also ask that you be on hand to advise in future trail projects!

We have one Board member, Denise Secino that has committed to going, there is one other opening left!

AERC Trail Masters Course, Offered in Brooksville, Florida
Near I-75, midway between Ocala and Tampa

December 11-14, 2008, Thursday through Sunday

This course teaches the student the proper techniques for the layout and design and construction and maintenance of sustainable trails with minimal environmental impact. Participants will be those of you who desire to work with land managers to help develop sustainable equestrian trails systems on public lands.

This course is sponsored by the American Endurance Ride Conference (AERC). Florida Forever Back Country Horsemen, Inc. (FFBCH), a Florida chapter of the Back Country Horsemen of American, is working with AERC to coordinate this effort with the support of the Withlacoochee State Forest, a division of the Florida Department of Forestry.

Cost for AERC members is $120 to purchase equipment needed for the course. The class is limited to 10 AERC members on a first come, first serve basis. There will also be space for two land managers to attend. The class is four full days with a half day of classroom presentation and a half day in the field each day.

To sign up for this course or get more information, contact Truman Prevatt at tprevatt@... or call (352) 650-1867. Please let us know as soon as possible if you are interested in attending this class. Include your name, address, email address and phone number. The $120.00 equipment fee is due to us to by 1 November 2008.

The course will be held 4 miles from the intersection of US 98 and I75 (exit 301 on I75). There are a number of lodging options in that vicinity. Motels include Hampton Inn, Best Western, Days Inn and Holiday Inn Express. There are a couple of local B&Bs and there is a RV campground within a mile of the course in the Withlacoochee State Forest Silver Lake campground complex. There are also a number of AERC members in the area who you may want to contact for a place to stay.

We would like to thank AERC for providing this course.

We would also like thank Winnie Schreiber, Forest Supervisor of Withlacoochee State Forest (WSF), Ken Mclaughlin, Director of Recreation WSF, and Mark Good, Supervisor of the Croom Tract of the WSF for their help and support in this effort.

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#2441

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:19 pm
Subject: Excerpts from The Horse Newsletter

caren.stauffer

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If you are having difficulty viewing the e-newsletter, please see http://www.TheHorse.com/enews/10292008.html.

Wednesday, October 29, 2008

Feeding High-Performance Horses

When to Feed Your Equine Athlete

Feeding for Specific Needs

Building Better Athletes Through Nutrition

Diseases of Dietary Origin

Excerpt from Revised Understanding Equine Nutrition: Energy and Carbs

Feeding Alfalfa Hay & Reducing Ulcers

More on feeding for specific needs:

Feeding the Endurance Horse
Feed for Speed

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#2440

From: MarisR@...
Date: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:04 am
Subject: Re: Photo Link ~ CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

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if you want to buy a photo from Brandy, you need to pay for it, and then she sends you a password.

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, chocolate in one hand and wine in the other, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming --WOW-- what a ride !! "

Maris Ramsay

In a message dated 10/29/2008 10:47:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jean.mulemare@... writes:

It needs a passsword. Do you have one?

Jean Shaw

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: MarisR@...
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:11:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Photo Link ~ CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

thanks, brandy. all done.

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, chocolate in one hand and wine in the other, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming --WOW-- what a ride !! "

Maris Ramsay

In a message dated 9/24/2008 8:32:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bjohnson20@tampabay.rr.com writes:

http://brandyjohnson.smugmug.com/CTR%20and%20Endurance%20Rides

Photos are posted from the FHA Clinic

Brandy Johnson

Photos by Brandy Johnson

Photography - Graphic Design - Web Design

www.brandyjohnsonphotos.com

From: Beth Allen [mailto:uncabuc@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:17 PM
To: bjohnson20@tampabay.rr.com
Subject: CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

Hi brandy,

Looking for the photos from CTR clinic @ renab ranch?? Are they up yet?

Thanks

Beth Allen

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#2439

From: "Helen Donnell" <HDonnell@...>
Date: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:47 pm
Subject: RE: Photo Link ~ CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

camelotexcal...

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It says a password is required to view the photos.  Did I miss one in the
original post?

#2438

From: jean shaw <jean.mulemare@...>
Date: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:45 pm
Subject: RE: Photo Link ~ CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

jean.mulemare

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It needs a passsword. Do you have one?

Jean Shaw

To: SEDRA@yahoogroups.com
From: MarisR@...
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:11:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [SEDRA] Photo Link ~ CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

thanks, brandy. all done.

Maris Ramsay

In a message dated 9/24/2008 8:32:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bjohnson20@... writes:

http://brandyjohnson.smugmug.com/CTR%20and%20Endurance%20Rides

Photos are posted from the FHA Clinic

Brandy Johnson

Photos by Brandy Johnson

Photography - Graphic Design - Web Design

www.brandyjohnsonphotos.com

From: Beth Allen [mailto:uncabuc@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:17 PM
To: bjohnson20@tampabay.rr.com
Subject: CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

Hi brandy,

Looking for the photos from CTR clinic @ renab ranch?? Are they up yet?

Thanks

Beth Allen

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#2437

From: MarisR@...
Date: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:11 am
Subject: Re: Photo Link ~ CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

marisramsay

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thanks, brandy. all done.

Maris Ramsay

In a message dated 9/24/2008 8:32:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bjohnson20@... writes:

http://brandyjohnson.smugmug.com/CTR%20and%20Endurance%20Rides

Photos are posted from the FHA Clinic

Brandy Johnson

Photos by Brandy Johnson

Photography - Graphic Design - Web Design

www.brandyjohnsonphotos.com

From: Beth Allen [mailto:uncabuc@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:17 PM
To: bjohnson20@tampabay.rr.com
Subject: CTR clinic @ renab ranch (09/13)

Hi brandy,

Looking for the photos from CTR clinic @ renab ranch?? Are they up yet?

Thanks

Beth Allen

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#2436

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:04 pm
Subject: Move Over Wing Tempo - Elmer Sets New Competitive Trail Riding Record

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#2435

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:24 pm
Subject: Re: Hahira

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In a message dated 10/28/2008 1:43:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MarisR writes:

received a phone call this am from Pam Linahan. She is expecting that the economy will impact her ride, and in order to save money, will not be mailing ride entries as she has done in the past. Riders will need to download the entry from one of the websites (ours or AERC) and mail it in. She would really appreciate it if people would go ahead and send in at least a deposit, so she has some idea of how many to expect.

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#2434

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:44 am
Subject: FHA100 CTR

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#2433

From: "gallipiat" <gallipiat@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:57 am
Subject: Re: Need a new saddle

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hi i have a black 18" engilsh saddle that comes with two saddle pads
and a size 44" girth saddle has very deep seat and is very
comfortable for 200 or trade for a western saddle please if ur
intrested please call 1-352-794-3472 or email me at
tequila_night_out@...
--- In SEDRA@yahoogroups.com, Donna Normand <dnorm26@...> wrote:
>
> The Tucker saddle is 21 lbs.
>
> To: SEDRA@...: cheripony@...: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:27:55
+0000Subject: [SEDRA] Need a new saddle
>
>
>
>
> I had Don Doran check out my horse the Sunday after his SEDRA
clinic and he had some good information to provide regarding the way
my saddle fits my horse. Also, I got those cages stirrups and my
stirrups no longer bash my shins but now I'm getting an inner knee
rub when riding that is almost as painful. Plus, I think my saddle,
which Don said needs reflocking and/or replacing, is bothering my
horse's back just a little bit and interfering in the way he
canters.So, I'm looking for a new saddle... prefer something of
quality that is used but not abused. I like a dressage saddle and
just cannot ride Western... the fenders kill me!.... I also need knee
rolls, a must due to the way my body grew these last 62 years! I've
looked over the saddles on the internet and the Tucker equitation
endurance seems suitable for me except I'm not sure about the gullet
being the way Don Doran says we need them.Any comments would be
appreciated and if you have a saddle that I can try let me know.
Thanks! Cheri
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#2432

From: "gallipiat" <gallipiat@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:52 am
Subject: English Saddle For Sale Or Trade

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I have a 18" black english saddle for sale or trade for a western
saddle.   The package includes : Black 18" English saddle with 2 saddle
pads, a red lunge line and a 44" girth all has only been used only a
hand ful of times all is for sale for 200 or trade for a western saddle
size 15 seat or larger. if your intrested please email me at


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#2431

From: "JQ Baker" <jqbaker@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:16 pm
Subject: Fwd: Draft 2007 Statewide Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan

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OK, Trail Advocates, here is the draft for the State Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan. If you remember last summer, I asked for anyone who could attend the series of scheduled meetings around the state regarding the states future plans for outdoor recreation. Well, here it is over a year later and the plan is out in draft form. What can I say? The wheels of government turn slowly, but in this case that's a good thing because now you have one more opportunity to comment. Keep in mind that missing those meetings last summer now means driving a little harder to get across your points.

So if you are having trouble getting to sleep, jump in, read and peruse the plans, browse the maps, and lets see if we can get some discussions going about our trails and how keep the ones we have and how we get more!

Jackie Baker

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Date: Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Subject: Draft 2007 Statewide Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan
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FROM: Mike Bullock, Director

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SUBJECT: Draft 2007 Statewide Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan

I am pleased to announce that the draft 2007 Statewide Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan is available for your review. The plan is required by Section 375.021(1), Florida Statutes, and is a prerequisite for establishing Florida's eligibility to participate in the federal Land and Water Conservation Fund Program.

The plan presents an overview of the outdoor recreational opportunities and facilities available to Florida's residents and visitors. It describes outdoor recreation demand and the need for additional recreation resources and facilities. It incorporates the results of workshops held throughout the state in 2007 with participation from a wide range of public agencies, citizens and users groups. It is our goal that the plan be a resource for state and local decision makers in planning outdoor recreational facilities.

We would appreciate your review of the plan and would welcome any comments you might have concerning the document. An electronic copy of the draft can be accessed online at http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/planning/default.htm. Scroll to the 2007 Statewide Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan *DRAFT* section. If you would like to receive a paper copy of the plan, please contact Zack Wetzel in the Office of Park Planning at 3900 Commonwealth Boulevard, MS 525, Tallahassee, FL 32399, or by telephone at (850) 245-3051, or at zack.wetzel@....

If you have any questions or need additional information about the plan, please don't hesitate to contact Mr. Wetzel at the above address. Please direct your comments to him in writing, by telephone or electronically at one of the contacts listed above. We would appreciate receiving your comments by December 12, 2008.

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#2430

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:44 pm
Subject: Riding Tomorrow!

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Some of us will be riding at the Little Big Econ tomorrow at 10 am, please join us!

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#2429

From: mkyamse@...
Date: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:17 pm
Subject: News from The Gift Horse

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#2428

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:35 pm
Subject: Fwd: Greenway Equestrians - Photo Shoot Reminder!

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From: AThomas@...
Sent: 10/24/2008 10:04:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Greenway Equestrians - Photo Shoot Reminder!

I just wanted to send a reminder to everyone about the photo shoot on Sunday, October 26^th at 8:00AM at the Land Bridge Trailhead. Please feel free to invite any friends or family members that ride horses or mountain bikes or are runners or hikers. We want to get a good crowd so that we have lots of photo opportunities. I will have photo release forms there that I would like to have everyone sign, so please make sure that you see me. These pictures will be available for purchase on Cyndi’s website.

Remember that Cyndi is going to be taking pictures of all trail users individually and together. Please take this opportunity to get acquainted with some of the other trail users that share the Greenway. It’s a great time to not only introduce them to our horses and give them a chance to come closer to pet them and meet them, but it’s a great opportunity for us to condition any horses that spook around bikes. Just introduce yourself and your horse to a biker and ask if they would mind helping you. I did that two Christmas parades ago. I started with on the ground holding Marta and led her up to Bill Harden who was standing next to his bike. We slowly worked up to him on the bike riding around and then me on Marta next to him on the bike. At the Christmas parade last year Marta kept trying to ride up in the middle of the bikes. Keep in mind, a lot of the bikers may not be familiar with or comfortable around horses, and they also may have paid as much or more for their bikes as you did for your horse. So try to be respectful and understanding of their feelings and concerns.

I look forward to seeing everyone on Sunday!

Aimee C. Thomas

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#2427

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:44 pm
Subject: Jeffers Seminar - AL

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#2426

From: MarisR@...
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: National Championship

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wow! I am so impressed.

Maris Ramsay

In a message dated 10/21/2008 3:27:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, runawaywoman@... writes:

I think my buns may be a little tighter but not steel yet. Both my boys did great and Shar-Po and I won reserve featherweight and we brought home lots of prizes. The trail was very very difficult, especially for a Florida horse. Spirt got around the 50 and is that much closer to his 5000 mile mark. Both horses look great and are resting up for River Run.

Roxanne

-------------- Original message from Gotarace2@...: --------------

Good Golly Miss Molly... Roxanne must have Buns of Steel...that's what you call True Grit!

Congrats to all!

In a message dated 10/18/2008 2:11:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, catthom2@aol.com writes:

Congratulations to SEDRA members finishing the AERC National Championship 100 mile race on October 16th. Roxanne Ciccone and Shar Po finished in 20th place and Cindy Bell and Chance finished in 26th place. Roxanne is currently competing in the 50 mile race on Spirit. Way to go girls!!!

Cathy Thomas

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#2425

From: runawaywoman@...
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: National Championship

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	I think my buns may be a little tighter but not steel yet. Both my boys did great and Shar-Po and I won reserve featherweight and we brought home lots of prizes. The trail was very very difficult, especially for a Florida horse. Spirt got around the 50 and is that much closer to his 5000 mile mark. Both horses look great and are resting up for River Run. Roxanne -------------- Original message from Gotarace2@...: -------------- Good Golly Miss Molly... Roxanne must have Buns of Steel...that's what you call True Grit! Congrats to all! In a message dated 10/18/2008 2:11:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, catthom2@aol.com writes: Congratulations to SEDRA members finishing the AERC National Championship 100 mile race on October 16th. Roxanne Ciccone and Shar Po finished in 20th place and Cindy Bell and Chance finished in 26th place. Roxanne is currently competing in the 50 mile race on Spirit. Way to go girls!!! Cathy Thomas New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out!

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#2424

From: "Tammy Bradley" <randemacres@...>
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: great cart for distance

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Cindy,

I'm not sure how a cart will fit an Avalanche...When you decide which cart you want you can do the measurements to see if it will fit in your truck. Otherwise you could carry it with brackets on the back of your trailer or break it down and put it into the stall next to the horse. Good luck with your driving endeavor!

Tammy

#2423

From: Viento40@...
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:38 am
Subject: Re: Re: great cart for distance

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Tammy,

I have an Avalanche and a two horse straight load bumper pull. Again, lots of great information. I look forward to putting it all to use, when I finally get my horses trained to drive. Wish they just needed some dusting off. I am

I may see you in Feb, if I get the weekend off from work.

Thanks a bunch,

Cindy

#2422

From: sedrassentinel@...
Date: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:44 pm
Subject: October Issue

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Good Evening, Morning or Afternoon, however this post finds you!

Please share our newsletter, SEDRA's October Special Edition, with your friends and family it's on-line... click here, it may be a large file for your system, so it may take a minute to load... or take a second or two to visit our web site, www.DistanceRiding.org! Enjoy!

PS... River Run Ride Entry is on-line!

South Eastern Distance Riders Association-

hosting the Southeastern Equestrian Trails Conference

July 2009, Gainesville, FL

SEDRA Mission Statement "...to educate, promote and encourage participation in equestrian competitive distance events throughout the southeastern United States..."

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#2421

From: "Tammy Bradley" <randemacres@...>
Date: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: great cart for distance

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Hi Cindy,

I'm not sure if the shafts of the TT come off or not. Russ makes most of his shafts adjustable so they will come off. You could just email him to find out. He may even be able to devise something for you. I have seen many interesting ways of toting a carriage around. What kind of trailer/truck combo do you have? We were at Land Between the Lakes in KY last week and all of the big wagons and carts for the mules were actually hooked behind the horse trailer and just hauled down the road. Perhaps that is the way most of the draft carts are hauled but it was new to me. I have also seen some people who have a way of hauling their 2 wheeled carts on the back of the trailer with brackets. Lots of options out there....

I will not be at Boggy Creek although I did want to go. It just didn't work out in the schedule this year. I actually got started in distance because my Morgan, who was to be my new driving horse, decided he didn't particularly care to be driven. That's why Linda is teasing me. I was tempted to dust off my old driving horse but that hasn't happened just yet! I might actually be able to go to the Feb event but I will be riding.

The advantage to one of Russ' carts is you will be a bit higher in the cart and will be able to see over/around the horse better. I have seen modifications to the Frontier to include big tires and motorcycle type suspensions which make the woods driving much easier.

Tammy

#2420

From: Gotarace2@...
Date: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:51 am
Subject: Re: Greenway Equestrians Updates for October

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In a message dated 10/20/2008 8:47:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AThomas@... writes:

Correction. The photo shoot will be October 26^th at 8:00 AM. Please let me know if you plan to attend. We need as many equestrians as possible so that we can get a variety of photos to choose from for the calendar.

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#2419

From: Viento40@...
Date: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re: great cart for distance

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Hi Tammy,

Yes, that does help. I am learning plenty. I dont think I ever intend to show. I will probably start off with the Frontier or one of the Hardwicks (Jog cart or TT). Do both the jog cart and the TT have shafts that come off. Transporting will eventually be an issue, although I have plenty of places right around here to drive. I have a 16 acre park behind the house and Jennings Forest a block away. Our subdivision is pretty big too, and rather horse friendly. I know I want something versatile (paved roads, grass, sand, trails, etc).

So, will you be driving at Boggy Creek, or the event in Feb?

Cindy

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From: "Tammy Bradley" <randemacres@...>

Hi Cindy,

I own a Hardwick Marathon carriage which I would use in CTR, because it is light enough to go through the sand, if I ever get around to driving in one. I have driven it everywhere with little issue. That said, however, if you plan on just doing CTR's the carriages with pneumatic wheels really are better. There are many, many options out there depending on what you want to spend. Khunle makes a wonderful 2 wheeled carriage with tires that would last you a lifetime, but you will pay $$. A friend of mine was looking into a Polish made carriage called the Troll that is very interesting. Email me privately and I can get you some more info on that if you are interested.

If you really want a marathong carriage, you could look for a very lightweight one and have tires put on it. They could then be switched out for driving shows as Linda is doing. This is very poplular with the combined driving set as many train in the Goethe Forest which is quite sandy.

If you talk with Russ he will probably make you anything you want. My first cart was his jog cart that was front entry and I liked it very much. The shafts do come off if you need to transport it so that's an option. He now has one called the Teeter Totter which many seem to be happy with.

You can get a flat tire with pneumatics but it is rather rare. I have driven around many Frontier carts and never had a flat on the trail.

I hope this helps and let me know if I can help you any farther.

Tammy

#2418

From: "Linda" <sacredhorseranch@...>
Date: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: great cart for distance

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Promises, promises, Tammy!  : )

(Ducking and running!)

- Linda

--- In SEDRA@yahoogroups.com, "Tammy Bradley" <randemacres@...> wrote:

> I own a Hardwick Marathon carriage which I would use in CTR, because it is
light enough to
go through the sand, if I ever get around to driving in one....

#2417

From: "Tammy Bradley" <randemacres@...>
Date: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: great cart for distance

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Hi Cindy,

I own a Hardwick Marathon carriage which I would use in CTR, because it is light enough to go through the sand, if I ever get around to driving in one. I have driven it everywhere with little issue. That said, however, if you plan on just doing CTR's the carriages with pneumatic wheels really are better. There are many, many options out there depending on what you want to spend. Khunle makes a wonderful 2 wheeled carriage with tires that would last you a lifetime, but you will pay $$. A friend of mine was looking into a Polish made carriage called the Troll that is very interesting. Email me privately and I can get you some more info on that if you are interested.

If you really want a marathong carriage, you could look for a very lightweight one and have tires put on it. They could then be switched out for driving shows as Linda is doing. This is very poplular with the combined driving set as many train in the Goethe Forest which is quite sandy.

If you talk with Russ he will probably make you anything you want. My first cart was his jog cart that was front entry and I liked it very much. The shafts do come off if you need to transport it so that's an option. He now has one called the Teeter Totter which many seem to be happy with.

You can get a flat tire with pneumatics but it is rather rare. I have driven around many Frontier carts and never had a flat on the trail.

I hope this helps and let me know if I can help you any farther.

Tammy