Ted Silary [silaryt@...] covered an interesting prep game
yesterday and asks the familiar question, 'How rare is it?'  Anybody know of
another occurrence, at any level?  (No mention of number of innings, btw).
Be sure to copy Ted in your reply.  Thanks.

For the record, while passing thru this neighborhood, in regard to the bigs:
http://tinyurl.com/2ba99r

Rapid Robert Feller threw a no-no on Opening Day 1940, but gave up five
walks.  The list of MLB perfectos is short enough to know that it's never
happened in an opener, the earliest being Charlie Robertson's gem for the
White Sox vs the Tigers at Navin Field on 4/30/1922.

Rod Nelson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<< a local kid pitched a perfect game in his team's OPENER yesterday.

john barr, sr. RH at germantown academy. bound for virginia. also a very
good OF. they beat archbishop wood, 4-0. 10 strikeouts. game was at GA.

perfect game in an opener -- is this possibly unprecedented in high
school/college/pro history??

i'd imagine it's impossible to know for sure, but it sure seems highly
unusual, right? >>

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reevebo01.shtml

Mark,

Our man in Chattanooga is David Jenkins, carty43@...

The smart money also sez that Ret Maj Genl Larry Taylor from Atlanta will
know Reeves pedigree, too.  kim-chi@...

I show Reeves being signed by Joe Engel per Wash Post 6/2/29, pSM3.

Per Baseball Necrology, (McFarland 2003, Bill Lee)
Bobby Reeves
6 Years Infielder
Born 24 Jun 1904 Hill City TN
Died 4 Jun 1993 at a hospital in Chattanooga TN
Chattanooga National Cemetery Chattanooga TN
Served in the anti-aircraft division of the U S Army in World War II. A
lifelong resident of Chattanooga, he retired as a supervisor for the heating
and air conditioning division of the Electric Power Board.

Rod Nelson
Research Services Manager
www.sabr.org

-----Original Message-----
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To: SABRcollegiate@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SABRcollegiate] Bobby Reeves

Does anyone here know anything about Bobby Reeves?  When he was signed
by the Senators in 1926, stories written suggested that Reeves was a
legendary baseball and football star at Georgia Tech.  What were his
collegiate achievements specifically?  Bowl games, conference titles,
All-America, etc.  How good were his baseball and football teams?

Thanks for the help.

Mark Armour






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Does anyone here know anything about Bobby Reeves?  When he was signed
by the Senators in 1926, stories written suggested that Reeves was a
legendary baseball and football star at Georgia Tech.  What were his
collegiate achievements specifically?  Bowl games, conference titles,
All-America, etc.  How good were his baseball and football teams?

Thanks for the help.

Mark Armour

Introducing College Splits
by Jeff Sackmann of The Hardball Times
February 09, 2007

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/introducing-college-splits/

Last week, Baseball Prospectus prospect guru Kevin Goldstein marked the
opening of the college baseball season with a reminder of just how little we
"know" about college players:At the end of the year, Ike Davis' 9-for-11,
four-double weekend or Matt Spencer’s 7-for-9 run with 15 total bases will
do wonders for their final totals, but not be especially informative.  Until
college statistics get more advanced, with not just much-needed standard
splits, but also a separation based on competition, I’ll stick to the
20-80 scouting scores for making my judgments.

To some, that could be taken as a warning; to others, it reads as a simple
celebration of the role of the scout.  To us, it was  further confirmation
of what we have felt has been missing all along.  It's because of this
glaring need that, today, we launched CollegeSplits.com.

For as long as minor league splits have been readily available, better
college data has been the next logical step.  Last fall, we decided to make
it our quest.  Since then, we've built a database of more than 9,400 active
college baseball players, from more than 270 teams. And counting.

For those already familiar with the format and layout of
MinorLeagueSplits.com, the site should be pretty straightforward. As many
splits as humanly (or technically) possible, for every single college
player. That’s the goal.

While the vast majority of those thousands of players will never make an
impact in pro ball, we think college splits are an even more interesting
field for study than their minor league counterparts.  College baseball has
many characteristics we don't normally associate with even the lowest levels
of the minors:lopsided, exhibition-like games (think Yankees vs.
Royals...Burlington Royals)crazily different parks, with run factors below
80 and above 150short, unbalanced schedulesvery different ability levels
even on single teams

Much of sabermetrics is about adjusting for all the stuff that old-fashioned
stats don't take into account.  Given the degree to which major- and
minor-league stats can be profitably tweaked based on context, it stands to
reason that the same work ought to be done with even greater fervor for
college numbers.  So let's get at it.

In this work, as in so much else, we're indebted to many other researchers.
In the world of college baseball stats, the deepest tip of the cap goes to
Boyd Nation, who has tirelessly collected (and made freely available!)
traditional stats for college players.  And his "Breadcrumbs Back to Omaha"
column is a must-read for anyone interested in keeping up to date on
research related to the college game. His site is the unrivaled
standard-bearer.

Now it's time to build on those achievements, taking advantage of the wealth
of freely available information.  Home/road, left/right, situational
hitting, start/relief, pinch-hitting, position-by-position,
inning-by-inning—if you can dream it up, we've probably got it on our
list.  Not only that, but with the power of avilable play-by-play data, we
can begin to adjust for many of the vagaries of college baseball in even
greater detail.

At this early stage of the season, no team has played more than a few games,
many of which are hugely mismatched.  So, while we're tracking this data,
we're not about to claim to give you numerical proof of who's the best
context-adjusted hitter or pitcher, or opine on who your favorite team
should draft this June based on stats alone.  However, we have put together
some data so you can get a taste of what we'll be tracking throughout the
season.

For example, here are some splits for Mitch Canham, an Oregon State catcher
drafted but not signed by the St. Louis Cardinals last year:Split   AB
H       2B      HR      BB      HP      K       BA      OBP     SLG
Overall 11      6       2       0       4       1       0       0.545
0.688   0.727
vs LHP  2       1       0       0       0       0       0       0.500
0.500   0.500
vs RHP  9       5       2       0       4       1       0       0.556
0.714   0.778
Home    0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0.000
0.000   0.000
Road    11      6       2       0       4       1       0       0.545
0.688   0.727
RISP    3       1       0       0       1       0       0       0.333
0.500   0.333
C & L   0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0.000
0.000   0.000

C & L: Close and LateAs we said, there's still quite a lot of baseball to be
played.  The four games the Beavers have logged so far came against the
University of Hawaii-Hilo, not exactly a powerhouse (average temperature: 81
degrees; average runs scored per game: 1.67).  But as more college teams
kick off their seasons in the next few days and the data pile up, there will
be plenty more to be found on the site. And as the carpal tunnel in our
fingers begins to subside, we'll give you new and different splits, each
with greater levels of granularity.

Want to know the direction or type of each batted ball hit by Vandy’s
Pedro Alvarez, and who’s playing in the field at each defensive position
at the time?  Want to be able to view a season-long hit chart for Washington
State’s Jared Prince, without having to constantly listen to the annoying
“ping!” of an aluminum bat?  Want to know how your favorite hitting
prospect performs against the top 10% of opposing pitchers?  So do we.

Some of these splits will be  available publicly right away; others will
take some time. But we’ll do all we can to get them in your hands, as soon
as we can.  We've kicked off the site with a few sets of hitting and
pitching splits for the defending champ Oregon State Beavers, which you can
check out by clicking here.

While you wait for the rest of the NCAA, remember: While most of major
league-fandom is stuck in the cold of winter, there’s a great big world of
baseball already being played near you. Head to the spreadsheets ballpark,
and enjoy!

I know that the cape is number one and this might not be as much
collegiate baseball but where would most of the people here rank the
top 5 summer leagues?

http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stories/101206aaj.html

Long-time Baseball Coach Eddie Pellagrini Dies At Age 88

Pellagrini served as BC's head coach from 1957 through 1988

Oct. 12, 2006

Eddie Pellagrini, who coached baseball at Boston College for more than 30
years, died yesterday at the age of 88.

Pellagrini, who played 11 years in the major leagues for the Red Sox, St.
Louis Browns (now the Baltimore Orioles), Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh
Pirates prior to his post at Boston College, was hired by long-time Director
of Athletics Bill Flynn in 1957. Thirty-one years and a school-record 359
victories later, he retired after the 1988 season.

During his long and distinguished coaching career, Pellagrini led the Eagles
to 17 winning seasons, seven postseason berths in the NCAA District I
Playoffs, three District I championships, and three appearances in the
College World Series - 1960, 1961 and 1967.

For the complete article, please click on the above URL.

Rod Nelson

College Base Ball 1883-1884
[4]
WCA and ICA, 1883 and 1884 - game logs

Beside everyone's keen interest in methodology, some may be interested
in the game-by-game record of the collegiate leagues covered by
Spalding's Guide.  Here are complete game logs for the four
league-seasons in slightly different formats from the recommended
family.  Read about game logs if necessary.

Before combining these four logs in one file, the columns would be
rearranged in uniform order and two columns identifying year and
league ("season" status) would be added.  Extra data such as the
"ump" column for ICA 1884 would be omitted or moved to the far right.


Western College Base Ball Association

WCA 1884
Spalding's Guide 1885, p80-83

Spalding's reports every game in one table with no data missing,
in precisely this format:
   May 3  U. of W. vs. B. C., at Beloit 3-2
This is equivalent but punctuated for clarity:
   May 3  UofW vs BC, at Beloit 3-2

Date    TeamA   HomeA   TeamB   Site    RunsA   RunsB   Note
0503    uwi     v       bel     bel 3       2       "the best-played game"
0503    nwu     v       rac     rac 19      1
0510    rac     v       bel     bel 14      6
0512    uwi     h       rac     mad 4       3
0517    nwu     v       bel     bel 24      8
0519    uwi     h       nwu     mad 14      6
0523    uwi     v       nwu     eva 12      10
0528    rac     h       uwi     rac 19      8
0531    rac     v       nwu     eva 13      5
0531    uwi     h       bel     mad 10      5
0606    rac     h       bel     rac 10      1
0607    bel     v       nwu     eva 9       7


WCA 1883
Spalding's Guide 1884 p72-74

Spalding's reports every game in one prose paragraph, using variable
language but consistently giving the run score at the end of the
clause, winner first ("17 to 5" not "5 to 17").  I chose to record the
runs in that order and match the teams to them but I might as well
have recorded teams in given order and matched the runs to them.
(Much of the report is in terms capsulized by my Notes, such as
"N.W.U. went on its northern trip and took in the Beloits. . . .")

Date TeamA HomeA TeamB RunsA RunsB Site Note
0507 nwu H rac 17 5 eva opening
0507 uwi H bel 10 2 mad opening
	 nwu .V rac 13 9 .rac now at Racine?
	 uwi .V bel 10 3 .bel now at Beloit?
	 nwu V bel 11 7 bel nwu, one trip N
	 nwu V uwi 13 6 mad nwu, one trip N
	 bel H rac 8 3 bel rac, one trip N
	 uwi H rac 29 0 mad rac, one trip N
	 nwu H uwi 10 4 eva prev day
	 uwi V rac 12 7 .rac next day
	 rac H bel 13 4 .rac bel, one trip S
	 nwu H bel 14 10 .nwu bel, one trip S

The prose gives dates for the opening games only, so the table
practically needs row numbering --1 to 12, top to bottom-- in order to
secure record chronological order.  A collegiate base ball project
should of course research newspapers to supplement information from
the annual guides and eventually to confirm it.

Some of the data in my desktop database is inferred with confidence
but it does go beyond Spalding's report.  My inferences are founded on
supposing that complete home-and-home series were played and that all
games were played on campus unless stated otherwise (as for ICA games
played in New York).  Here I have marked the inferred data with dots
(".") in the HomeA and Site fields; a working group would discuss how
much inference to use during data-gathering.

The "Note" is free format and may be used for any purpose; most of
these notes capsulize the partly chronological, partly geographical
information that Spalding's gives instead of dates.  The table also
shows how a Note may be used under uncertainty ("now at Racine?"); in
practice, that would probably be combined with listing a Site or not
depending on the degree of uncertainty.


Inter-Collegiate Base Ball Association

ICA 1883
Spalding's Guide 1884 p74-78

Spalding's reports every game in one table, consistently
winner first (as for WCA 1884), in this format:
   May 5. Yale vs. Amherst, at New Haven ....... 3-1

Date TeamA homeA TeamB Site RunsA RunsB Note
0505 Yale h Amh nh 3 1
0511 Amh h Brown amh 9 6
0512 Yale h Harv nh 3 0
0514 Amh h Harv amh 8 1
0518 Prin h Harv pri 6 5
0519 Yale v Brown pro 6 4
0523 Harv h Brown cam 16 2 or 14-2
0523 Prin n Amh ny 6 3
0524 Amh n Prin ny 4 3
0526 Yale v Harv cam 5 1
0528 Prin h Brown pri 7 6 10 inns; or 0526
0530 Harv h Amh cam 6 4
0530 Yale n Prin ny 5 4
0602 Prin v Harv cam 5 3
0602 Yale h Brown nh 8 0
0604 Prin v Brown pro 12 1 or 2-1
0608 Amh v Brown pro 9 4
0613 Yale v Amh amh 4 2
0620 Brown h Harv pro 10 5
0623 Prin n Yale ny 3 2

The wrinkle is that everything but home or site is also reported in
two other formats and there are some discrepancies.  The Notes give
the alternative dates (one) and scores (two).  After learning the
truth, perhaps from daily newspaper research, I might note "not 14-2"
or "not 16-2" to show that an alternative has been investigated.


ICA 1884
Spalding's Guide 1885 p71-80

Spalding's reports every game in one table, mainly visitor first,
in this format:
   May 1. Brown vs. Harvard, at Cambridge; Umpire, Gaffney ..... 3-1

The exceptions to visitor first are recorded without rearrangement in
the recommended format where they show up as exceptions to "homeA=V".

Date TeamA homeA TeamB Site Ump RunsA RunsB Note
0501 Brown V Harv cam gaf 1 8
0503 Yale V Brown pro gaf 8 3
0507 Amh V Harv cam til 9 8
0509 Brown V Dart han til 5 3
0510 Prin V Amh amh gaf 4 5
0512 Prin V Harv cam don 4 5
0513 Prin V Brown pro gaf 5 10
0514 Yale H Dart nh gaf 6 2
0516 Prin H Dart pri don 11 2
0517 Harv V Yale nh gaf 8 7
0517 Dart V Prin pri don 6 3
0519 Harv V Amh amh til 13 1 or 13-10
0521 Amh V Brown pro til 5 4
0523 Harv V Brown pro gaf 6 10
0524 Yale V Amh amh don 17 4
0524 Harv V Prin pri til 15 3
0530 Yale n Prin ny cro 16 3
0531 Dart V Amh amh gaf 3 12
0602 Dart V Yale nh til 11 12
0604 Brown V Prin pri til 5 3
0605 Amh V Yale nh cro 3 4
0606 Amh V Prin pri gaf 3 6
0611 Dart V Harv cam don 1 6
0612 Dart V Brown pro don 8 14
0614 Harv H Dart cam til 14 2
0616 Brown V Amh amh don 1 6
0617 Brown V Yale nh cro 6 9
0619 Prin n Yale ny cro 0 9
0621 Yale V Harv cam don 4 17
0624 Amh V Dart han gaf 10 8
0627 Yale n Harv bro gaf 4 2 playoff

0510 Yale V Harv cam  8 1 exhibition
0618 Harv V Brown pro  14 2 exhibition
0624 Yale n Harv ny  6 2 exhibition

For this league only, Spalding's reports a few exhibition game results
which I have displayed at the bottom of the table.  They are not part of
the "ICA 1884" league-season.

For this league only, Spalding's names the umpire for each game.
Before combining this with other season logs, extra data such as the
"ump" column for ICA 1884 would be omitted or moved to the far right.

A note gives full mailing addresses for "the umpires appointed by the
Judiciary Committee," which is the data for another table.

Umpires
	 ump surname name address
	 gaf Gaffney Jno. H. No. 377 Main St., Worcester, Mass.
	 til Tilden Otis Brockton, Mass.
	 don Donovan T.H. Letter Carrier 74, Boston P.O.
	 cro Cronin D. No. 765 Washington St., Boston, Mass.


Paul Wendt

[6] players

The player records published by Spalding's for the collegiate leagues
vary in scope, evidently partly because of variable scoring and
compiling practices by the collegians.  The collegiate section for
1885 opens with this observation.

   The official data for making up the averages of the College Clubs of
   1884 were not of a very reliable character, the official scoring,
   except in a minority of instances, not being up to the required
   mark.  In fact, the existing system of College Club averages ought
   to be improved upon by the College Clubs themselves, and they should
   not follow the professional methods so much as the do when there is
   such a field for improvement.  In making up the fielding percentage,
   wild pitches and passed balls have been counted errors, while bases
   on called balls have not been classed with errors.

Here the scope of Spalding's player data is illustrated, omitting only
what is redundant because it is literally repeated or it can be
derived.  Format mimics Spalding's main table for each league-season.
"Surname" includes a first initial when necessary to distinguish
people who share a surname.


WCA 1883

For 38 players in one list ordered by batting average, who played at
least 3 of 6 games (mainly 6 of 6 games); and for five players in a
second list ordered by batting average, who played 1 or 2 games:

   SURNAME,
   CLUB,
   POSITIONS,
   rank in batting,
  -games played,
  -base-hits,
  -batting average,
  -runs
   runs per game,
  -fielding average,
   rank in fielding.

That is five independent data(-) in the eight numerical columns.
For example,

   Player      Club    Pos.    Batting                 Runs  Runs
Fielding
                               Rank  Games Hits  Avg         perG  Avg   Rank
   Chandler    U of W  lf      1     6     15    .500  9     1.50  .857  9
   Rollins     N W U   3b, cf  2     5     13    .500  9     1.890 .473  35
   Polley      N W U   cf, 3b  3     4     9     .500  5     1.25  .750  17
   Crooks      R C     c, p    4     6     11    .423  11    1.83  .700  23
   . . .

Unfortunately, the league secretaries and Spalding's editor did not
cooperate to publish such ample coverage for other league-seasons.


WCA 1884

For 36 players in one list ordered by batting average, who played at
least 3 of 6 games (mainly 6 of 6 games); and for 9 players in a
second list ordered by batting average, who played 1 or 2 of 6 games:

   surname, positions, club, games, batting avg, fielding avg & rank

That is surname, positions, club, and three independent numerical data,
games played and the two averages.  For example,

                                         Batting Fielding
   Player and Position   Club    Games   Average Average Rank
   Huxford, lf           N W U   6       .500    .909    9
   Arnd, p               N W U   5       .500    .866    12
   . . .
   Pellett, lf           B C     6       .000    .777    21


ICA 1883

For 10 to 12 players on each of five teams, grouped by team; and for
each team in sum at the bottom of its table:

   surname, positions, games by position, at bats, runs, batting avg,
fielding avg

That is five independent numerical data for every player; six or seven
for those who played two or three fielding positions.  Coverage may be
complete; some games by position and runs scored do not add up but
some one-game players are included.  For example,

                                         Average Fielding
                         At Bat  Runs    B-Hits  Average
   YALE
   Hubbard, c 8          35      9       .314    .952
   ...
   Booth, lf 1; p 1      7       3       -       -
   . . .
   BROWN
   Bassett, c 4; 3b 3    29      7       .448    .750


ICA 1884

For precisely 9 players on each of six teams, who played at least 9 of
11 games (for playoff participants Yale and Harvard) down to 6 of 10
games (for one player on each of two teams), grouped by team:

   surname, position, games played, batting avg, fielding avg.

That is three independent numerical data for each regular player, one
per team at each fielding position.  For example,

                                 Batting Fielding
                 Pos.    Games   Average Average
   YALE
   Terry         2b      11      314     952
   ...
   Booth         p       11      224     943
    . . .
   BROWN
   Bassett       3b      10      317     847

For each team, batting and fielding averages, ranks by batting and
fielding average, and the "general average" of batting and fielding
averages(!).  That is two independent numerical data beyond the W-L
records and runs scored-allowed records that are in the game logs.
Completely,

   ICA 1884      Batting         Fielding        General
                 Average Rank    Average Rank    Average Rank
   Amherst       246     4       887     1       567     1
   Yale          287     1       838     5       563     2
   Harvard       257     2       861     3       559     3
   Brown         250     3       867     2       559     4
   Dartmouth     245     5       859     4       552     5
   Princeton     205     6       827     6       516     6


The End.


P/\/ \/\/t
Paul Wendt, Watertown MA, USA <pgw@...>
Chair, 19th Century Committee, SABR
Owner-Administrator, 19cBB (egroup at Yahoo)

3 Jul 2006, Paul Wendt wrote:
> The series has been delayed by home computer troubles.  Because I have
> continued to think about "all this" and I have spoken with Rick Benner
> again by phone (we both skipped Seattle), the longest of six articles in
> my series, on game logs method and format, needs reconsideration.  But I
> have decided to send the other remaining articles prepared in June.
> Everyone will get a little experience with formal game logs and anyone
> who cares about 1883-1884 WCA and ICA outcomes will be able to read the
> logs, by reference to "clubs and standings" if the abbreviations need
> interpretation.  But there will not be much explicit discussion of game
> logs today.  Part 5 of 6 will be missing.

Sigh.
No, input/output trouble has blocked part 4, too, the game logs.
So everything on game logs per se must wait.  Here is the cover page for
of my little home website.  I have distributed 1-3 and 6. --Paul

--
This spring I phoned Rick Benner to talk about 19th century collegiate
baseball records, especially game logs, which are games, teams, runs at
heart (five data).  He leads the SABR Collegiate Base Ball Committee,
which has focused on identifying the collegiate careers of major
leaguers.  Even for the timespans when particular colleges fielded teams
they have relied heavily on modern athletic departments who commonly
recognize only their own histories.

We believe no one knows much about the [records of many college teams,
  . . . ]  I said that in email to the SABRcollegiate
egroup I would explain the collegiate base ball coverage in Spalding's
Guide and illustrate game logs for some example seasons.  Parts 1-3 here
correspond to the three email articles I distributed before computer
trouble late in June delayed the series and I wrote it up for the web.

1. introduction to Spalding's and college base ball
2. clubs and standings and parks and leagues
3. extended STANDINGS, WCA and ICA, 1883 and 1884
4. basic GAME LOGS, WCA and ICA, 1883 and 1884
5. compiling game logs
6. player records - scope illustrated

Have a good holiday, or end of 4-day holiday.

Paul Wendt

>>
A fortnight ago I phoned Rick Benner to talk about 19th century
collegiate baseball records, especially game logs.  I promised him I
would both explain Spalding's Guide coverage and illustrate game logs in
email to this group. I have written some details in useful tables and
the unknown number of email articles will follow pretty quickly now.
<<

The series has been delayed by home computer troubles.  Because I have
continued to think about "all this" and I have spoken with Rick Benner
again by phone (we both skipped Seattle), the longest of six articles in
my series, on game logs method and format, needs reconsideration.  But I
have decided to send the other remaining articles prepared in June.
Everyone will get a little experience with formal game logs and anyone
who cares about 1883-1884 WCA and ICA outcomes will be able to read the
logs, by reference to "clubs and standings" if the abbreviations need
interpretation.  But there will not be much explicit discussion of game
logs today.  Part 5 of 6 will be missing.

Paul Wendt

21 Jun 2006, Larry Hayes wrote:

> A book on Northwestern University athletics (The Tale of the Wildcats
> by Walter Paulison) mentions some early college baseball leagues.
>  On april 22, 1876 the "College Baseball Association of the Northwest"
> was formed. Members were Northwestern, Racine and the old Chicago
> University.  the Women's Education Association of Chicago had offered
> a silver ball to the college champion of the northwest since 1871.

Thanks, Larry.

    In the Harvard book there aren't any leagues, only Harvard and Yale
--only a slight exaggeration for the 19th century.

    By the way, did women play baseball at midwestern colleges?
Or merely sponsor men's championships?

Clearly a compilation of collegiate "champions" is within the purview of
this research committee.  And it must be more compelling work for some
people than game-level records or even standings.
    The identification of clubs is more fundamental than the standings
(season-level) and game logs (game-level) data featured in my articles.
Consider the table that I called Teams and Homes[cities not parks] in
the clubs and standings article.  The identification of leagues is more
fundamental than the standings or championships.
    It is reasonable to gather information about clubs and leagues and put
it in order.  Rick Benner's procedure has been to grow outward and
backward from NCAA baseball clubs.  Secondary sources on the olden days
are a source of data that should be mined, probably just be mined in
order to compile champions and learn a sketchy history of leagues ahead
of the pace of game-level research.
    Ultimately, I am certain, much of what we learn about collegiate
clubs, including name and location (Teams and Homes) will come from
game-level research.

Paul Wendt

[The actual Game Logs appear in the next and last "Coverage" article.
I missed a day with computer troubles.]

20 Jun 2006, Paul Wendt wrote
in "Coverage in Spalding's - clubs and standings"

> Spalding's Base Ball Guide 1884 and 1885 covers the Western Collegiate
> (WCA) and Inter-Collegiate (ICA) Base Ball Associations in two short
> chapters or sections. Inside each section it names the clubs and gives
> final standings.  Here is that data for the WCA only, presented in a way
> that hints how a database deftly uses abbreviations and multiple tables.

Folks,
Beside methodology, some in this group may be interested in the outcomes
of the four 1883-1884 collegiate league-seasons covered by Spalding's.

Therefore,
Here are extended standings for each, showing the home, visitor, and
neutral W-L records and the runs records for all WCA teams.

All these elements and team-v-team variations on same can be generated
automatically from a complete game log.  For example, see the retrosheet
webpages for each major league season.
      http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Y_1884.htm (1884, pick a club)
The Retrosheet format is best if there is much interest in generating
home and away elements as well as full-season ones.

Although extended in scope, these standings remain simple because every
game was played to a W-L decision.

Paul Wendt


----------------------------
Western or Northwestern CBBA, 1883-1884
----------------------------

          W       L       Club            home    visitor Runs    oRuns
WCA 1883
          6       0       Northwestern    3-0     3-0     78      41
          4       2       Wisconsin       2-1     2-1     71      35
          1       5       Racine          1-2     0-3     37      83
          1       5       Beloit          1-2     0-3     34      61
           12 games

The 1883 summary must be typical of small, poorly balanced leagues.


          W       L       Club            home    visitor Runs    oRuns
WCA 1884
          5       1       Wisconsin       3-0     2-1     51      45
          4       2       Racine          2-1     2-1     60      43
          2       4       Northwestern    0-3     2-1     71      57
          1       5       Beloit          0-3     1-2     31      68
           12 games

By winning the two biggest blowouts, at Racine and Beloit, but losing
its four other games closely, Northwestern generated unusual home-away
and unusual runs record for the association in 1884.  Racine beat
Wisconsin badly at home, 19-8, but lost lost a close one in Madison,
4-3, which amplified the unusual runs record.

----------------------------------------
Inter-Collegiate or American College BBA, 1883-1884
----------------------------------------

          W       L       Club            home    visitor neutral
ICA 1883
          7       1       Yale            3-0     3-0     1-1
          6       2       Princeton       2-0     2-0     2-2
          4       4       Amherst         2-1     1-2     1-1
          2       6       Harvard         2-2     0-4     -
          1       7       Brown           1-3     0-4     -
           20 games

Dartmouth missed this season of the otherwise stable six-team
association.  Spalding's 1885 is sympathetic to Dartmouth against
Harvard especially.  The 1884 record suggests that the issue was refusal
of other teams to visit Dartmouth.
    Amherst and Yale both played Princeton twice in New York; all other
pairs of clubs played twice home-and-home.


          W       L       Club            home    visitor neutral
ICA 1884
          9       2       Yale            4-1     2-1     3-0
          8       3       Harvard         5-1     3-1     0-1
          6       4       Amherst         3-2     3-2     -
          5       5       Brown           3-2     2-3     -
          2       8       Princeton       2-3     0-3     0-2
          1       9       Dartmouth       0-2     1-7     -
           31 games

Dartmouth was readmitted for 1884 after agreeing to visit Harvard, Yale,
and Princeton twice each, playing home-and-home only with Brown and
Amherst.
    Yale defeated Harvard in the final game, June 27 at Brooklyn,
evidently a playoff for the championship, four in a row for Yale.
Harvard beat Yale twice but also lost two games to the other strong
teams while Yale did not.

A book on Northwestern University athletics (The Tale
of the Wildcats  by Walter Paulison) mentions some
early college baseball leagues.  On april 22, 1876 the
"College Baseball Association of the Northwest" was
formed. Members were Northwestern, Racine and the old
Chicago University.  the Women's Education Association
of Chicago had offered a silver ball to the college
champion of the northwest since 1871.

champions
1871 Racine
1872 Racine
1873 Unknown
1874 Racine
1875 Spring-Chicago University
      Fall- Northwestern
1876 Chicago Univ
1877 Racine (Lake Forest joined this year)
1878 unknown
1879 Chicago Univ, Northwestern both W3 L1
1880 league folded after Northwestern withdrew
1881 no league

1882 Western College Baseball Association formed with
Michigan, Racine, Wisconsin, and Northwestern.

Champions
1882 Michigan W6 L0
1883 Northwestern W6 L0 Beloit replaced Michigan
1884 unknown
1885 unknown
1886 unknown
1887 unknown
1888 lake forest joined
1889 racine dropped out
1889 Northwestern champion
1890 Wisconsin champion
1891 Northwestern champion
1892 unknown, Illinios replaced wisconsin
1893 Intercollegiate Athletic association formed by
Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin and northwestern.  the
league lasted one year.

The eastern league 1880-1888 was called the American
College Baseball Association in Outing Magazine 1889
article.

Charles Hayes



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Folks,
Quoting the first paragraph from part one:
>>
    A fortnight ago I phoned Rick Benner to talk about 19th century
collegiate baseball records, especially game logs.  I promised him I
would both explain Spalding's Guide coverage and illustrate game logs in
email to this group. I have written some details in useful tables and
the unknown number of email articles will follow pretty quickly now.
<<

Spalding's Base Ball Guide 1884 and 1885 covers the Western Collegiate
(WCA) and Inter-Collegiate (ICA) Base Ball Associations in two short
chapters or sections. Inside each section it names the clubs and gives
final standings.  Here is that data for the WCA only, presented in a way
that hints how a database deftly uses abbreviations and multiple tables.

CLUBS AND LEAGUES
In its prose history of the WCA, Spalding's 1885 identifies the four
members for each season 1882-1884.  That is five clubs in all because
Beloit replaced Michigan in 1883.  In this case, where the club names
are names of colleges and universities, we know their city and state
"homes" from other sources but that information must commonly be
gathered from the baseball reports.  I don't know any park or field
names, which might change over time in a given home city, so I have used
a city abbreviation to *suggest* a more complete example.

Teams and Homes [for WCA 1882-1884 only]

          Team    Club                    City            State   Site
          nwu     Northwestern University Evanston        IL      eva
          rac     Racine College          Racine          WI      rac
          umi     University of Michigan  Ann Arbor       MI      ann
          uwi     University of Wisconsin Madison         WI      mad
          bel     Beloit College          Beloit          WI      bel

Leagues [for WCA 1882-1884 only]

          League  Year    Team
          WCA     1883    bel
          WCA     1884    bel
          WCA     1882    nwu
          WCA     1883    nwu
          WCA     1884    nwu
          WCA     1882    rac
          WCA     1883    rac
          WCA     1884    rac
          WCA     1882    umi
          WCA     1882    uwi
          WCA     1883    uwi
          WCA     1884    uwi

These two tables jointly provide a lot of information about each
league-season without repeating long club names or city-state data.
A table such as this one for WCA 1883 is implied for every season.

WCA 1883
          Team    Club                    City            State   Site
          rac     Racine College          Racine          WI      rac
          uwi     University of Wisconsin Madison         WI      mad
          nwu     Northwestern University Evanston        IL      eva
          bel     Beloit College          Beloit          WI      bel

The abbreviations save time and clerical error in game logs, which are
typically much bigger tables.


STANDINGS
The simplest final standings identify each team and its numbers of wins
and losses during a season.  That does cover the basics if every game is
played to a W-L decision, as in the WCA 1883 or 1884.

          Team    W       L
WCA 1883
          nwu     6       0
          uwi     4       2
          rac     1       5
          bel     1       5
WCA 1884
          uwi     5       1
          rac     4       2
          nwu     2       4
          bel     1       5

Correct final standings for a league-season can be derived from correct
and complete game logs for all the teams but the standings are redundant
only when everything is correct.  Published standings are useful during
the process, and the process may never end.

In fact, Spalding's commonly published final standings in team-vs-team
format and WCA 1884 is one instance.

WCA 1884
                  uwi     rac     nwu     bel     W       L       GP
          uwi     ...     1       2       2       5       1       6
          rac     1       ...     1       2       4       2       6
          nwu     0       1       ...     1       2       4       6
          bel     0       0       1       ...     1       5       6

          L       1       2       4       5       12


P/\/ \/\/t

Paul Wendt, Watertown MA, USA <pgw@...>
Chair, 19th Century Committee, SABR
Owner-Administrator, 19cBB (egroup at Yahoo)

Folks,

A fortnight ago I phoned Rick Benner to talk about 19th century
collegiate baseball records, especially game logs.  I promised him I
would both explain Spalding's Guide coverage and illustrate game logs in
email to this group. I have written some details in useful tables and
the unknown number of email articles will follow pretty quickly now.

GAME LOGS.  I will not get to game logs in this article.  Let me say
merely that a simple game log is a list of records, one for each game,
providing the date, two team names or other identifiers and two scores
in runs.  Given a league, which is essentially a group of teams in one
season, a complete simple game log for the league is sufficient to
reconstruct daily league standings (with runs scored and allowed)
throughout the season.  Indeed, the Retrosheet web encyclopedia gives
for every major league season from 1871 daily standings derived from
game logs.

COLLEGE BASEBALL in SPALDING'S GUIDE 1883-1884
   Spalding's Official Base Ball Guide (official for the National League)
includes coverage of two collegiate base ball associations, the Western
or Northwestern and the Inter-Collegiate or American, in both 1884 and
1885, the only editions I have checked for collegiate base ball. There
is no other coverage of college baseball. The official association names
are unclear to me.  For short I will call them the Western or WCA and
the Inter/-Collegiate or ICA.

Each of the four articles features the immediately preceding season with
game results for teams, season batting and fielding records for players.
Spalding's 1885 also covers the spring 1884 annual meeting of the ICA.

Neither collegiate association was new in 1883 but the Western was new
in 1882. Spalding's 1885 says "the first year saw only half-organized,
half-disciplined nines in the field" and says that Michigan did not lose
a game without even giving a count.  Apparently to Spalding's, it
achieved some new formality in 1883.  There were four clubs in the
Western each year: Michigan (strongest), Northwestern, Wisconsin, and
Racine in 1882; Northwestern, Wisconsin, Racine, and Beloit in 1883 and
1884.  The University of Michigan used professional players and withdrew
when the Western passed restrictions for 1883, replaced by Beloit
College.

The Inter-Collegiate was established 6 December 1879, says Spalding's
1885 before summarizing each season with a prose paragraph and a table
of standings in team-vs-team format.  Six colleges clubs were
represented but "the convention voted to exclude college players from
their names who participated in professional club teams" so Yale
ultimately withdrew.  Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard, and Amherst
played a double round robin, essentially home and home, and finished in
that order with W-L records 6-2 to 2-6.  The season continued to be a
home and home double round robin. Yale re-entered in 1881 and won four
successive pennants, two evidently in playoffs.  The only other change
in membership was the absence of Dartmouth during 1883 only.

PLAYER DATA
In this series I will not cover the player data in any detail but here
is an account of scope that omits what is redundant because it is
literally repeated or it can be derived.

WCA 1883
    For 38 players in one list ordered by batting average, who played at
least 3 of 6 games (mainly 6 of 6):
    SURNAME,
    CLUB,
    POSITIONS,
    rank in batting,
   -games played,
   -base-hits,
   -batting average,
   -runs
    runs per game,
   -fielding average,
    rank in fielding.
That is five independent numerical data(-).  Some of the fielding
averages are impossible in only ten games: .999, .998.
    For five players in a second list ordered by batting average, who
played 1 or 2 games, the same data

WCA 1884
    For 36 players in one list ordered by batting average, who played at
least 3 of 6 games (mainly 6 of 6):
   : surname, positions, club, games, batting avg, fielding avg, fielding rank
That is three independent numerical data.
    For 9 players in a second list ordered by batting average, who played
1 or 2 of 6 games, the same data.


ICA 1883
    For 10 to 12 players on each of five teams, which may be all players,
grouped by team:
   : surname, positions, games by position, at bats, runs, batting avg, fielding
avg
That is five independent numerical data for everyone listed at only one
fielding position.
    For each team as a whole, at the bottom of each table, the same data.

ICA 1884
    For precisely nine players on each of six teams, who played at least 9
of 11 games (for playoff participants Yale and Harvard) down to 6 of 10
games (two players), grouped by team:
   : surname, positions, games played, batting avg, fielding avg
That is three independent numerical data.
    For each team, batting and fielding averages, ranks by batting and
fielding average, and the average of batting and fielding averages(!).
That is two independent numerical data beyond the W-L records and runs
scored-allowed that are in the game results.

P/\/ \/\/t

Paul Wendt, Watertown MA, USA <pgw@...>
Chair, 19th Century Committee, SABR
Owner-Administrator, 19cBB (egroup at Yahoo)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/news/261154.html



Nevada Pitcher Dies From Self-Inflicted Gunshot

By Baseball America Staff

April 27, 2006

Nevada freshman lefthander Steve Masten died Tuesday from a gunshot wound
that police have said was self-inflicted.



Deputies from the Washoe County Sheriff's Office responded to a call to
Masten's Spanish Springs home in suburban Reno on Monday, and found that he
had been shot. Masten, 18, died a day later at Washoe Medical Center in
Reno, and investigators determined he had shot himself.



For the full article, click the above link.



Rod Nelson



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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12270540/from/ET



Winfield, Dedeaux among 10 elected to College Baseball Hall of Fame



By DENNIS WASZAK Jr.

Associated Press Sports

April 26, 2006



Dave Winfield is a Hall of Famer again, this time for his pitching and
slugging excellence back when he was the big man on campus.



The former University of Minnesota star, enshrined in Cooperstown after even
greater success in the major leagues, was among 10 former players and
coaches elected Wednesday as the College Baseball Hall of Fame's inaugural
class.





For the full story, click on the above link.



Rod Nelson







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Hi Jim,

I'm terribly sorry for this extremely late reply to your email. Don't know
where else I would have received this info.

Your message was received with great interest.  Yingling was a fascinating
character. Would like to look at his career a little more in depth at some
point.

Would still love seeing that image of Lefty Webb from the Tip Top set.

Hope you've had a chance to take a look at the latest Almanac.

Thanks, Jim.

rex



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To: <SABRcollegiate@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [SABRcollegiate] Two Ohio Colleges?
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:07:28 -0400




Hello Rex.

There was a Lebanon U in Lebanon Ohio that went bankrupt in 1917 and closed
according to the Warren County Historical society.

It was originally chartered in 1855 as Southwestern State Normal School. In
1870 the name was changed to National Normal School and in 1881 became
National Normal University. The name officially changed to Lebanon
University in 1907. Yingling would have been about 17 years old in
1907.....college age.

Upon bankruptcy the school actually merged with now Wilmington College in
Wilmington, Ohio....which is about 20 miles or so from Lebanon. Wonder if
Wilmington College would have records of Lebanon U students???



Yingling (Earl) was pictured on one baseball card that I know of.....a 1917
E135 Candy card of PCL players. I don't have the minor league records of
Yingling but according to Baseball Reference he was not in the majors in
1917 yet he was before 1917 and after. As a hobby I collect sportscards,
photos, postcards (any images) of southern Ohio players. Yingling is from
Chillicothe about 20 miles down the road from me.



I could find nothing on West Ohio University.

Hope this helps.



Jim Mogan

Circleville, Ohio





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� The first entry describing his player activity it lists "Lebanon Univ. and

� West Ohio Univ. Dayton 1907-09.



� Does anyone know if there actually was a Lebanon University (would have
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� an awfully small town, just south of Dayton) or what college "West Ohio

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Hello Rex.
There was a Lebanon U in Lebanon Ohio that went bankrupt in 1917 and closed
according to the Warren County Historical society.
It was originally chartered in 1855 as Southwestern State Normal School. In 1870
the name was changed to National Normal School and in 1881 became National
Normal University. The name officially changed to Lebanon University in 1907.
Yingling would have been about 17 years old in 1907.....college age.
Upon bankruptcy the school actually merged with now Wilmington College in
Wilmington, Ohio....which is about 20 miles or so from Lebanon. Wonder if
Wilmington College would have records of Lebanon U students???

Yingling (Earl) was pictured on one baseball card that I know of.....a 1917 E135
Candy card of PCL players. I don't have the minor league records of Yingling but
according to Baseball Reference he was not in the majors in 1917 yet he was
before 1917 and after. As a hobby I collect sportscards, photos, postcards (any
images) of southern Ohio players. Yingling is from Chillicothe about 20 miles
down the road from me.

I could find nothing on West Ohio University.
Hope this helps.

Jim Mogan
Circleville, Ohio


----- Original Message -----
   From: REX Hamann
   To: SABRcollegiate@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:55 PM
   Subject: [SABRcollegiate] Two Ohio Colleges?


   Never thought I'd be sending two messages to my new group in one day, but
   here goes:

   I'm looking a player file card sent to me by Steve Gietschier at the
   Sporting News for a pitcher  named Earl Yingling out of Chillicothe, Ohio.

   The first entry describing his player activity it lists "Lebanon Univ. and
   West Ohio Univ. Dayton 1907-09.

   Does anyone know if there actually was a Lebanon University (would have been
   an awfully small town, just south of Dayton) or what college "West Ohio
   Univ. Dayton" may have morphed into, if anything?

   Thank you.


   Rex Hamann
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Thank you, Rod.

Have a great weekend.

rex



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Subject: RE: [SABRcollegiate] Billy Reed at Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:07:05 -0400




Rex - Best source for this info is former SABR member Cappy Gagnon at:

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Never thought I'd be sending two messages to my new group in one day, but
here goes:

I'm looking a player file card sent to me by Steve Gietschier at the
Sporting News for a pitcher  named Earl Yingling out of Chillicothe, Ohio.

The first entry describing his player activity it lists "Lebanon Univ. and
West Ohio Univ. Dayton 1907-09.

Does anyone know if there actually was a Lebanon University (would have been
an awfully small town, just south of Dayton) or what college "West Ohio
Univ. Dayton" may have morphed into, if anything?

Thank you.


Rex Hamann
14201 Crosstown Blvd. NW
Andover, Minnesota   55304

The American Association Almanac
A Baseball History Journal (1902-1952)
www.AmericanAssociationAlmanac.com
Subscriptions available...Be the first on your block!

Rex - Best source for this info is former SABR member Cappy Gagnon at:
Gagnon.2@...



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Greetings,

This is my first posting to the Collegiate SABR e-list.

I'm interested in finding Billy Reed's collegiate record at Notre Dame.
According to baseball-reference.com, he played ball there from 1944-48.

Is anyone familiar with a link/contact person who might be able to help me
find this info?

Thanks!


Rex Hamann
14201 Crosstown Blvd. NW
Andover, Minnesota   55304

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In a message dated 11/17/2005 6:55:04 P.M. MST,  <pgw02472@...> writes:

File        :  /BBM2104.yaletraining.pdf
Uploaded by : pgw02472  <pgw02472@...>
Description : "Spring Training for College  Baseball Clubs" by J.W. Cutler,
BBMag 1921-04

You can access this file  at the  URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SABRcollegiate/files/BBM2104.yaletraining.pdf



Mr. Cutler should be ashamed of himself.  The manager of the Yale team
featured in his 1921 Baseball Magazine article is erroneously and  repeatedly
identified as "WILLIAM LANDER, former Brown [University] star and  ex-Giant."
Clearly he is referring to Billy Lauder.

_http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/laudebi01.shtml_
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/laudebi01.shtml)
_http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/L/Lauder_Billy.stm
_
(http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/L/Lauder_Billy.stm)
_http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Plaudb101.htm_
(http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Plaudb101.htm)

From Bill Lee's Baseball Necrology, p229
Billy Lauder
5 Years Infielder
Born 23 Feb 1874 New York City NY
Died 20 May 1933 at his home in Norwalk CT
Norwalk Cemetery Norwalk CT
He coached college baseball 15 years at Brown, Yale, Columbia and Williams
before he was a coach and scout two years for the White Sox. He then went into
the soap business in New York City. Died suddenly from heart failure.

I have no other information regarding his scouting career, but I find  no
Brown or Yale grads on White Sox rosters in the 1910's thru 1920's that
theoretically might have been signed by Lauder, with the lone possible 
exception of
Barney Reilly.
(_http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reillba01.shtml_
(http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reillba01.shtml)

As for Columbia, we do know that Charles Comiskey traded for Eddie Collins,
but that was after his professional career had been well established with
Connie  Mack's Athletics.  Art Smith appeared in three games for the Chisox in
1932, and is therefore another possibility.

I look forward to Rick Benner's book on collegiate coaches which may help  me
identify other such connections for my Scouts committee database project.

Rod Nelson


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A moment ago at sabrcollegiate Files, I posted "Spring Training for
College Baseball Clubs" from Baseball Magazine, April 1921.

"Yale University in sending her team to a permanent training camp in
the south, has inaugurated a new phase of intercollegiate baseball.
Never before has any university established a site for spring quarters
. . .
  . . . [Yale plans to] remain at Macon, Ga., for a period of ten days
where the team will meet in in daily contests with southern college
nines and several major league clubs."

That is about 10% of the one-page article, 341 KB in pdf format.

Paul Wendt

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