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Good morning,
I went looking for this park via Google Earth some time ago while preparing my page on National Association stadiums. If you have Google Earth installed, click on the first link below to be brought to the present-day location of the old NA Rockford Fairgrounds (you can see the swimming pool, basketball courts, etc., that Phil was referring to):
 
I also have a stereogram I colorized from 1879 of the grounds about halfway down this page:
http://www.super70s.com/Baseball/Leagues/National_Association/Stadiums.asp  
 
(There is a link for downloading Google Earth (GE) just below the picture. A fairly modern computer with a high-speed Internet connection is required for GE, but it is the coolest application I've used that was invented in the 21st Century and has become particularly useful now that I am remotely shopping for a home in Denver from Arizona.)
 
I have Google Earth links to virtually all 20th Century Major League stadiums available from their pages, or a complete list with my GE links is here:
http://www.Super70s.com/Baseball/Stadiums 
 
I spent 20 minutes or so (it seemed more like an hour) trying to figure out the orientation based on the photo, and I started to believe that I saw a slight amount of evidence in the satellite photo (from Google) of where I believe home plate was (it may be my "3 in the morning" eyes, but I can almost make out first and third base). If I do have the orientation correct, then either the Google Earth elevations are slightly off (as home plate does not seem to be in a pit now) or, as Phil suggests, the lay of the grounds has been altered in the past century.
 
It is not obvious by any means and I can imagine how much more difficult it would have been for Phil on the ground. If any of you agree or disagree with my findings, please let me know.
 
Patrick Mondout
Super70s Baseball
 
Phil's message follows:
Jim, I visited the park just recently trying to get all possible details for the fourth edition of Green Cathedrals which will be coming out this Fall, and I have all the four surrounding streets. But I have never been able to discover the exact orientation of whether first base was north, west, south, or east, etc. If you find that please let me know.

I do know if you get off I-90 and head west on State Street and go about 5 miles, you will be in downtown Rockford. Cross the river and go about three blocks straightahead after passing the police station on your left. Turn right and head north two blocks and you will be in a neighborhood of project housing. You will find a huge public park, with a swimming pool (called an aquatic center) on the north; a Salvation Army Center and a Community Center on the south, a creek and railroad tracks on the west.

In this huge park, which is where the ballpark used to be, there are picnic grounds, a soccer field, and basketball courts. It is not level at all, which corresponds exactly to written reports in the Rockford newspaper about how the baserunners ran downhill from third base to home plate, because home plate was down in a "big hole".

I sat there on the field for a half hour and tried and tried, unsuccessfully, to envision how the field might have been laid out back then to link the written reports and the current lay of the ground. Probably, the lay of the ground has been changed since 1871; it has been 135 years and more than a few bulldozers have probably torn up the landscape during that period of time.

Phil Lowry


Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:15 pm

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