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Re: Polanco Errorless streak ends

The Polanco error recension reminds me of a game involving Cobb in
1922. Early in the year, Cobb hit a ball that was poorly fielded in
the rain by one of the opposing infielders. The official scorer, who
was a novice, ruled it a reach-on-error. But Fred Lieb (I believe it
was Lieb), an experienced reporter for the AP, had been out of the
press box in the rain and was more sympathetic to the fielder and
ruled it a hit on his scoresheet.

Since the AP version is what showed up in all the papers, that's what
everyone used for Cobb's total. The official scorer's report,
showing Cobb with a ROE instead of a hit, didn't arrive at the AL
office until a week later. They didn't notice the difference between
the AP total and the official total until the end of the year.

So at the end of the season, that one hit was the difference between
Cobb batting .401 or .399. Ban Johnson ruled that Lieb's scoring
should stand, even though he wasn't the official scorer. It bumped
Cobb to 211 hits in 526 at-bats, rather than 210 hits in 526 at-bats,
which was what the official version showed. It caused a little bit
of an uproar at the time since everyone thought Johnson was showing
favoritism towards Cobb and had overruled the official scorer's
judgement.

But just imagine the uproar that would come up today if this same
thing happened....

Trent McCotter

--- In SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com, "mjohnson" <mjohns2@...> wrote:
>
> The error has been rescinded and given to first baseman Marcus
Thames, so both Polanco's streaks (games and chances) are intact.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trent
> To: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:16 AM
> Subject: [SABR_Records] Polanco Errorless streak ends
>
>
> From the AP, here's the news on Placido Polanco's errorless
streak at
> second base:
>
> "Placido Polanco of the Detroit Tigers committed an error in the
first
> inning Friday night against the New York Yankees, ending an
errorless
> streak for a second baseman.
>
> Polanco played 147 games without an error, dating to July 1,
2006,
> until he fielded a chopper from Melky Cabrera and made a low-and-
wide
> throw to first. The play also ended his other record for a second
> baseman, going 725 straight chances without an error.
>
> The game started following a rain delay of 4 hours, 1 minute.
>
> Luis Castillo held the previous mark for second basemen with 143
> errorless games from May 30, 2006, to June 5, 2007, while playing
for
> the Minnesota Twins."
>
> Trent McCotter
>





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From the AP, here's the news on Placido Polanco's errorless streak at second base: "Placido Polanco of the Detroit Tigers committed an error in the first ...
Trent
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The error has been rescinded and given to first baseman Marcus Thames, so both Polanco's streaks (games and chances) are intact. ... From: Trent To:...
mjohnson
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Aug 26, 2007
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The Polanco error recension reminds me of a game involving Cobb in 1922. Early in the year, Cobb hit a ball that was poorly fielded in the rain by one of the...
Trent
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Aug 26, 2007
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Hey Trent, Since you're a Cobb aficionado, I'd sure like to hear your thoughts on the official scoring at St. Louis on the last day of the 1910 season that...
Steve and Joyce Hatcher
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Aug 26, 2007
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There is a lesson to be learned (actually relearned) here. Some future researcher might stumble on the report that Polanco's streaks were stopped at 147 games...
Lyle Spatz
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Aug 27, 2007
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I hate to blaspheme this group with discussion about football, but this reminds me of something that happened in the NFL in 1972. In the last game of the...
Bill Deane
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Aug 27, 2007
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... this reminds me of something that happened in the NFL in 1972. In the last game of the year, the Dolphins' Mercury Morris had a chance to reach 1000 yards...
btimmer
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Aug 28, 2007
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... This is where I have to tell my story and pat myself on the back. I do defensive stats for the 49ers. Really the only official defensive stat is sacks but...
Tom Stillman
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Aug 28, 2007
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I don't follow. Was it a sac fly or a sac bunt? Rod Nelson, baseball snob ... From: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Stillman Sent: Tuesday,...
Rod Nelson
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Aug 28, 2007
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Bill, In this case, the blasphemy is a great reminder to all of us to be extra diligent. Steve ... From: Bill Deane To: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Steve and Joyce Hatcher
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Aug 27, 2007
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This also happened to a RB from the Falcons, who's name escapes me (Hampton?). And in the opposite direction. He had 1001 yards or so, and a replay review...
mjohnson
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My memory was Dave Hampton of Atl made it to 1000 even late in game then ran a sweep and lost 5 yards and didn't carry the ball again that year so finished...
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Aug 27, 2007
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Clem's memory is my memory, too. Steve -- Steve Gietschier Managing Editor, Research Sporting News 14500 S. Outer 40, Suite 300 Chesterfield, MO 63017-5781 314...
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Aug 27, 2007
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... future researcher might stumble on the report that Polanco's streaks were stopped at 147 games and 725 chance and assume whatever his final streak turns...
Peter Ridges
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Aug 29, 2007
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It is a good idea to track scoring changes and I am happy to say that Retrosheet does that when we have the information. In reality that means the last 4-5...
David W. Smith
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Aug 29, 2007
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Peter Ridges' suggestion of maintaining an ongoing file of scoring changes to which researchers can refer is an excellent one. Dave Smith took it a step...
Lyle Spatz
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Aug 29, 2007
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USA TODAY BASEBALL WEEKLY (which I believe started in 1991) used to list scoring changes each week, until it became SPORTS WEEKLY and discontinued boxscores...
Bill Deane
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Aug 30, 2007
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Hi Bill, I have the sports sections of all USA Today from their beginning until the early 1990's. I think I remember those scoring changes and thought at the ...
Everett Cope
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Ev, This is a great idea. Since I sent my message yesterday, I have pondered this some more and I figured out a way to automate the searching of the ...
David W. Smith
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Aug 30, 2007
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Very good on all counts, and I suggest we call it "The Polanco File," in honor of the man who inspired it :-) Lyle ... From: David W. Smith To:...
Lyle Spatz
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Aug 30, 2007
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And as a variation on the Polanco list, the former Red Sox pitcher ... [from Associated Press, September 2, 2007] Bill Henry, who pitched in the majors for...
Peter Ridges
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This just in: http://www.theledger.com/article/20070905/NEWS/709050475/1039 Lakeland Man Wasn't Who He Said He Was *Another big score for Dave Lambert of the...
Rod Nelson
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