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Re: [SABR_Records] Re: RBI record

Great thoughts Trent,
 
Steve Hatcher
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Trent
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: [SABR_Records] Re: RBI record

I'd just like to add one comment to the great posts by Lyle, Dave, et
al. Dave mentioned that changing corrections every year would make
teams, media, and fans think that all numbers are unreliable. It
seems to me that a mindset about stats would actually be correct.
Obviously some totals (like homers) are almost always correct, but
anything else is always questionable. The last few decades' stats
have very few discrepancies, but of course there are still a few here
and there.

Add in that a lot of fans view stats from different eras as
inherently different anyway (1990s homer totals vs. 1960s homer
totals, ERAs from the 1930s and ERAs from the 1900s, etc), and it
seems to me that having people think the numbers are unreliable isn't
that bad of a thing. If and when Bonds hits his 756th homer, it will
undoubtably be the new record. But if he happens to get to 2nd place
on the RBI total (held by Ruth), then no one will know when he
actually passes Ruth since no one knows how many RBI Ruth had. Maybe
it's better if fans and the media recognize sooner rather than later
that a lot of stats (except for most current players) just aren't
reliable anyway.

Maybe Dave meant something else by 'unreliable,' but I personally
think it'd be nice if teams, the media, and fans didn't think that
each stat is an indicator of exactly what the player actually did.

While keeping a list of 'corrections' to individual players' stats is
useful (to see why a number has been changed after all these years
and to make sure that changes aren't counted twice), it doesn't ever
get at the problem. It would be nice to think that, in some future
year, we'll have found almost every mistake on the official sheets
and can update all players' stats at once. Even if it were possible
(it isn't) to find all (or most) necessary corrections, I think
there'd be a bigger outcry if thousands of numbers were changed at
once than if thousands of numbers were changed over the years as the
discrepancies
are found.

Sorry for the long post, but I spend a lot of my time dealing with
discrepancies/errors/corrections/changes/mistakes on the official
sheets, so I couldn't resist sharing my thoughts.

Trent McCotter



Sun Feb 4, 2007 10:40 pm

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Trent, Dave, and Sean: In looking over Willie McCovey's RBI data, I came across a series of discrepancies involving the 1961 season and his career total. On...
Schechter, Gabriel
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Jan 26, 2007
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... mistake originated in the "official" day-by-days. I'm copying the SABR Records Committee on this. I don't know whether this issue has already been hashed...
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Jan 26, 2007
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Gabriel, You are correct about the situation which causes the discrepancy. We are well aware of this and it is in the detailed documentation of discrepancies ...
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Dave: I've been working with Seymour "Cy" Siwoff for over 40 years and a more dedicated individual, you will never meet. One very big reason that Cy doesn't...
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Jim, Thank you very much for taking the time to write this message. First of all, I completely agree with your opinion of Seymour. I am proud to call him a ...
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Jan 30, 2007
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I'd just like to add one comment to the great posts by Lyle, Dave, et al. Dave mentioned that changing corrections every year would make teams, media, and...
Trent
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Jan 31, 2007
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I'd like to respectfully disagree with Trent. I teach mathematics and deal with a lot of students who are NOT mathematically gifted. If we were to tell most...
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I teach math, too and most of my students would ask "Who's Babe Ruth?" and "What's an RBI?" 8-) Tom Stillman ... ...
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Jan 31, 2007
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When people ask me questions about how many RBI someone had, or how many hits someone had, I will usually say "no one knows for sure, but the best current...
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Feb 2, 2007
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Mark: You will find that most baseball statistics are Scientific, not a Hobby. The ER's, RBI's and Saves can only be proved by a PBP. However, Hits, Runs,...
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Feb 2, 2007
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Mark: The five year period is much better, because if there are errors......it will show up by then. Anything less than that time frame, would be much too...
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Feb 5, 2007
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Dave: Thank you for the message and most of all the suggestions in it, which I agree with completely. I've got the box scores as they were printed in TSL ,TSN...
james smith
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Jan 31, 2007
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I am not writing to testify either in favor or against the accuracy of the boxscores the Sporting News used to publish, but I can give some insight into how we...
gietschiersteve
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Jan 30, 2007
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Steve: For a prime example check the box score printed in TSN for 30 September 1939 (Washington @ Philadelphia ). Joe Haynes of Washington faced 42 batters,...
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Feb 2, 2007
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You've got to love this. Where else but in SABR can a question about whether Willie McCovey had an RBI in a game on June 29, 1961 turn into a philosophical...
Lyle Spatz
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Jan 30, 2007
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Great thoughts Trent, Steve Hatcher ... From: Trent To: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:53 AM Subject: [SABR_Records] Re: RBI...
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