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Two questions:
Were any wild pitches or passed balls listed?
In those days, were box scores reliable in listing wild pitches and passed balls?
If the answers are "no" and "yes" the Gabe is probably right. If the first answer is "yes" (which I assume Gabe would have noticed), then the hit may not have mattered. If the answers are "no" and "no" then we still have a problem.
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From: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lyle Spatz
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006
11:24 AM
To: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SABR_Records]
Re:Toad Ramsey
Gabe,
Thanks for the detective work. Makes sense.
Lyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Schechter, Gabriel
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: [SABR_Records] Re:Toad Ramsey
Lyle:
I don't have anything definitive on Fulmer's hit, just some deductive reasoning. I looked at the NY Clipper but found no mention of exactly when Fulmer got the hit. However, the box score tells me that Baltimore only got four baserunners in 12 innings (one hit, one SOE, two walks). Kilroy, the #9 hitter, scored their only run, in the sixth inning. Fulmer, the leadoff batter, got their only hit. I can't come up with any scenario for scoring the run without the hit figuring into it that's more likely than the run scoring because Fulmer advanced Kilroy with the hit. I also think that if Fulmer hadn't gotten the hit until extra innings, the Clipper's one-paragraph account of the game would have mentioned it. Again, deductive reasoning, but if Fulmer didn't get the hit in the sixth inning, it would've been much tougher to score that run.
Incidentally, two days earlier, Ramsey pitched another one-hitter against Baltimore, with the only hit by Pat O'Connell.
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