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Re: [SABR_Records] Re:Toad Ramsey

Gabe,
 
Thanks for the detective work. Makes sense.
 
Lyle
 
 
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: [SABR_Records] Re:Toad Ramsey

Lyle:
 
I don't have anything definitive on Fulmer's hit, just some deductive reasoning. I looked at the NY Clipper but found no mention of exactly when Fulmer got the hit. However, the box score tells me that Baltimore only got four baserunners in 12 innings (one hit, one SOE, two walks). Kilroy, the #9 hitter, scored their only run, in the sixth inning. Fulmer, the leadoff batter, got their only hit. I can't come up with any scenario for scoring the run without the hit figuring into it that's more likely than the run scoring because Fulmer advanced Kilroy with the hit. I also think that if Fulmer hadn't gotten the hit until extra innings, the Clipper's one-paragraph account of the game would have mentioned it. Again, deductive reasoning, but if Fulmer didn't get the hit in the sixth inning, it would've been much tougher to score that run.
 
Incidentally, two days earlier, Ramsey pitched another one-hitter against Baltimore, with the only hit by Pat O'Connell.
 
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On July 31, 1886 Toad Ramsey of Louisville pitched a 12 inning one-hitter against Baltimore. According to the box score in TSN, the Orioles only hit was a...
Lyle Spatz
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Nov 30, 2006
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Lyle: I don't have anything definitive on Fulmer's hit, just some deductive reasoning. I looked at the NY Clipper but found no mention of exactly when Fulmer...
Schechter, Gabriel
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Dec 1, 2006
4:55 pm

... against Baltimore, with the only hit by Pat O'Connell. ... According to Ramsey's ICI sheet, he threw a no-hitter in the start before this 12-inning...
Trent
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Dec 1, 2006
11:43 pm

Lyle, The Louisville-Courier Journal, microfilm edition available at Harvard, doesn't say anything about the hit, does say that Ramsey pitched another (I...
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Dec 2, 2006
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Gabe, Thanks for the detective work. Makes sense. Lyle ... From: Schechter, Gabriel To: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:56 AM ...
Lyle Spatz
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Dec 1, 2006
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Two questions: Were any wild pitches or passed balls listed? In those days, were box scores reliable in listing wild pitches and passed balls? If the answers...
WORTH, FRED
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Dec 1, 2006
5:46 pm

Lyle: Using the Box Score in the 11 August 1886 TSL (The Sporting Life) I have the Double by Fulmer in the Sixth inning with One out. In Five innings: Ramsey...
james smith
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Many thanks, Jim. ... From: james smith To: SABR_Records@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [SABR_Records] Toad Ramsey Lyle:...
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