This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast  and by Steven Sashen.

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Rungal262@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to see this entire study to see how they determined this...but honestly I have found the opposite to be true. Interesting thoughts though.
> stacie
>
>
> Barefoot vs. Shoes - the Metabolic Debate
> We heard the benefits of running barefoot; that it is more natural, it is easier, and it may reduce injuries. But this study out of the University of Colorado wanted to look at the metabolic effect of running. In other words, does wearing shoes require more energy than running barefoot?
> The general thinking would be yes, because shoes add mass, and pushing more mass through space would require more energy. However, this study found something different - that barefoot running is actually less efficient. Because the shoes provide cushioning, when running barefoot, something else has to provide this cushioning effect. That something is the legs. Since the shoes are not there to absorb some of the forces generated when running, the leg muscles must now contract and work more. This requires more energy.
> Your average runner may not be concerned with this, but your competitive runner might. Serious runners may want to consider the trade-off between having less mass on their feet by running barefoot vs. a greater risk of strain on their leg muscles by running barefoot. And if you're not interested in going barefoot, consider a light-weight training shoe.
> Kram, Rodger, Ph.D. "Making the Case for Running Shoes." The New York Times, March 2012.
>

Barefoot Josh also has a great angle on this study: All barefoot running studies
are bunk. http://www.barefootjosh.com/?p=2901

> This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of
> times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast
> <http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/running-shod-more-efficient/>
> and by Steven Sashen

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Cpt_Biggles" <tomtaylorson@...> wrote:
> I've noticed an odd knot on one of the bands of muscle running across (coronal
plane, L to R), my Left heel. It's not painful as of yet, just annoying. It's in
line w/ the ankle and is just a touch 'inside' the midline of the heel.
>
> Any ideas what this might be or precautions to take?

Maybe a ganglion cyst? See

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganglion_cyst>.

I had a small one a year or so ago, and the "Bible" method worked
for me.

Bob

 

 Thanks all,

I don't consider it an over use injury as it is only triggered when i step on a stone and it occurs in the same place on the tendon. It isn't tender when running, only when i step on something. Do people think barefoot isn't for me or do i need to be more careful what i stand on? is this something that will go with time or are there exercises to help?

Thanks.

 

I know one of the guys who participated. The study was screwed up far more than
you would realize by reading the paper. And that's pretty bad. It was so bad
that he refused to participate in the follow up because he realized that the
data they were collecting was completely useless.

Gordon

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Rungal262@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to see this entire study to see how they determined this...but
honestly I have found the opposite to be true.  Interesting thoughts though.
> stacie
>
>
> Barefoot vs. Shoes - the Metabolic Debate
> We heard the benefits of running barefoot; that it is more natural, it is
easier, and it may reduce injuries. But this study out of the University of
Colorado wanted to look at the metabolic effect of running. In other words, does
wearing shoes require more energy than running barefoot?
> The general thinking would be yes, because shoes add mass, and pushing more
mass through space would require more energy. However, this study found
something different - that barefoot running is actually less efficient. Because
the shoes provide cushioning, when running barefoot, something else has to
provide this cushioning effect. That something is the legs. Since the shoes are
not there to absorb some of the forces generated when running, the leg muscles
must now contract and work more. This requires more energy.
> Your average runner may not be concerned with this, but your competitive
runner might. Serious runners may want to consider the trade-off between having
less mass on their feet by running barefoot vs. a greater risk of strain on
their leg muscles by running barefoot. And if you're not interested in going
barefoot, consider a light-weight training shoe.
> Kram, Rodger, Ph.D. "Making the Case for Running Shoes." The New York Times,
March 2012.
>

It is a traumatic injury. Like you, I am with an haematoma in me left arch
because I stood on a broken piece of concrete a few days ago. This occurs
sometimes. The spontaneus pain subsides in 2 days unless another thing
hits/presses the same point. But the purple coloration may last more than 3
weeks until the body absorbs the haematoma. After these events I prefer to train
in flat and clean surfaces to avoid another thing hiting the injury.

Good recovery!

Em Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:41:07 +0100 (BST), james kemp <jamesrkemp@...>
escreveu:
>  Thanks all,
> I don't consider it an over use injury as it is only triggered when i step on
a stone and it occurs in the same place on the tendon. It isn't tender when
running, only when i step on something. Do people think barefoot isn't for me or
do i need to be more careful what i stand on? is this something that will go
with time or are there exercises to help?
> Thanks.

I don't agree that all barefoot running studies are bunk.

See http://www.stevenrobbinsmd.com/ for instance.

The problem is: Science has its limitations.

We (scientist) usually don't have as many subjects as we want.
We don't have enough time.
Some scientists "lie" a bit otherwise their papers will not be published.

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Busse" <curt@...> wrote:
>
> Barefoot Josh also has a great angle on this study: All barefoot running
studies are bunk. http://www.barefootjosh.com/?p=2901
>
> > This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of
> > times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast
> > <http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/running-shod-more-efficient/>
> > and by Steven Sashen
>

Curiously, I did the same today. I mean, it was probably the first time I tried
sprint since going barefoot. It was on grass.

It aslo felt wobbly. Maybe he have to train some more. Maybe it was the terrain,
in my case, not entirely plain.

Does anyone trains barefoot in a track?

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Jim Wb <jimwb@...> wrote:
>
> I tried sprinting at the end of a run today.  It was the first time I tried
sprinting since going barefoot.  It felt very wobbly which was strange. Any
ideas on why?
>

All the athletes, I notice, are wearing shoes.

`What do you think about barefoot running?' I ask. For some reason it feels like a naive, almost stupid question. As though I'm asking him if he thinks athletes run better with shorter hair.

`We do all our exercises at the school in bare feet,' he says, looking at me, making sure I'm listening. `In the West we put children in shoes before they can walk. What are we teaching them? We're teaching them that the ground is dangerous, that they need to be protected from it. But Kenyan children can feel the ground, so they have a better relationship with it. They learn to place their foot carefully when they run, so they don't hurt themselves. They learn to land gently, lightly, gliding over the earth rather than pounding it.'

Brother Colm says he works on it not because he thinks the Kenyans have bad form, but because he wants to turn good form into perfect form. Breaking world records and winning gold medals requires fine polishing of talent. The running barefoot is one part of a formula that produces that talent, he says. A talent completely derived from their up-bringing. `It is a hard, physical life, one that makes them strong, disciplined and motivated to succeed,' he says. `When the athletes come to me at fifteen or sixteen, they are 60 per cent already there.' What he is doing by working on their form is giving them the tools to nurture that talent, that strength, born out of hardship, and turn it into gold.

Steven Robbins' support of the barefoot condition is uncompromising - I'm
attracted to many of his ideas, yet I find that he can be just as dogmatic as
the people who he criticizes.

For example, in describing the huarache sandals of the Tarahumara, he says:

"One major problem with their sandal that I see is the thong between the toes. 
The skin between the great and second toe frequently breaks down with this type
of fixation system even when used in walking, and serious infection ensues.

    Running with it would be immeasurably more damaging than in walking because
of the amplified horizontal forces.  Accordingly, its use requires considerable
adaptation, and even then poses a health risk. For this reason I do not consider
them acceptable for occasional use in normally shod individuals."

This is total BS.



--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Adolfo Neto" <adolfont@...> wrote:
>
> I don't agree that all barefoot running studies are bunk.
>
> See http://www.stevenrobbinsmd.com/ for instance.
>
> The problem is: Science has its limitations.
>
> We (scientist) usually don't have as many subjects as we want.
> We don't have enough time.
> Some scientists "lie" a bit otherwise their papers will not be published.
>
> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Busse" <curt@> wrote:
> >
> > Barefoot Josh also has a great angle on this study: All barefoot running
studies are bunk. http://www.barefootjosh.com/?p=2901
> >
> > > This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of
> > > times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast
> > > <http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/running-shod-more-efficient/>
> > > and by Steven Sashen
> >
>

Featuring Ken Bob!
http://bkalow.com/d/kenbob.htm

Bruce

I added more photos from the weekend Barefoot Festival in Boston - the 5K was
today.

All at
http://bkalow.com/d/kenbob.htm

Thanks to everyone who organized and came -Preston, Ken Bob, Scott, and etc!

Bruce

Thanks!

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <bmkalow@...> wrote:
>
> Featuring Ken Bob!
> http://bkalow.com/d/kenbob.htm
>
> Bruce
>

I had this twice on the same ankle (on my longer leg side). Not too bad and
lasted less than two weeks, but I realized as with many things it was a form
issue while running. It went away when I was able to get on the trails again. It
seamed to occur when I would run on sidewalks where the smooth surface wouldn't
provide the feedback to show me that my foot was trying to do too much work.

During my stride my foot was doing what my core, gluts and hips should have been
doing. I found I was "blocking" my hip, and gluts from doing their job on that
side by compensating with my calfs, ankle and foot. Kinda like holding a pot
(your torso) full of water from the end of the handle (ankle, foot, calf) as
opposed to holding the pot closer in by the base of the handle or from the pot
side (core, gluts, hips). It's MUCH less work and easier to control the pot by
holding it closer in from the handle.


After I fixed my form it never came back.

I might suggest she walk on trails paying attention to keep her feet VERY
relaxed by engaging her core, gluts, hips, by playing with the bend in the knee
and lifting the feet (as per Ken Bobs advice) letting the hips fall forward to
move her body.  Some light ankle, and calf stretching helped with my recovery
to.

Hope she finds her stride soon!
Best,
Josh

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Longacre <tel@...> wrote:
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> Hey folks,
>
> Does anyone have any experience with posterior tibial tendonitis? A friend
just wrote me 'cause she got this back in the fall, after walking barefoot &
minimal for many months. The podiatrist put her in supportive shoes and
orthotics (yikes!) but now she wants to get back to barefoot and wanted advice
on strengthening exercises, etc.
>
> I've never had this problem, but thought I'd see if any of you had and could
offer advice.
>
> Thanks!
>
>    Tracy E. Longacre
>    from Hilfied Friary, Dorset
>    +44 (7519) 636546
>
>    just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com
>    Run Blog:  http://revruns.blogspot.com
>    Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tlongacre/
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I am so excited!  I want to tell you of my experience running my first half
marathon at the Go! St. Louis event.  I am not sure if there were any from
this list that ran it.  I was looking for you!  But I didnΉt find anyone and
didnΉt hear of anyone.  My writing of my experience is way too long to post
and I have pictures to share.  So I wrote it out on my blog.  Please visit
it to read:

http://barefoot-tatman.blogspot.com/2012/04/my-first-half-marathon.html

I got the bug now to run more races!!!

--
Barefoot Tatman in Greenville, IL
Facebook:  http://www.facebook.com/barefoot.tatman
Blog: http://barefoot-tatman.blogspot.com/

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Longacre <tel@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with posterior tibial tendonitis?

I injured this tendon/sheath in my first xc race several years ago (not bf). I
was unprepared for a steep rise and over-flexed my foot. I recovered ok, but
after that it would get irritated when I ran very much. I think my age worked
against me (>60), and I think it's a permanent thing for me. I never felt it
hindered my bf running.

I'd recommend good warmups and stretching the ankle area.

Unfortunately, arthritis in the hips prevents me from running much at all any
more. :(