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#38839 From: "Curt Busse" <curt@...>
Date: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:23 pm
Subject: Re: Energy Used
fmotf
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This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast  and by Steven Sashen.

 

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Rungal262@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to see this entire study to see how they determined this...but honestly I have found the opposite to be true. Interesting thoughts though.
> stacie
>
>
> Barefoot vs. Shoes - the Metabolic Debate
> We heard the benefits of running barefoot; that it is more natural, it is easier, and it may reduce injuries. But this study out of the University of Colorado wanted to look at the metabolic effect of running. In other words, does wearing shoes require more energy than running barefoot?
> The general thinking would be yes, because shoes add mass, and pushing more mass through space would require more energy. However, this study found something different - that barefoot running is actually less efficient. Because the shoes provide cushioning, when running barefoot, something else has to provide this cushioning effect. That something is the legs. Since the shoes are not there to absorb some of the forces generated when running, the leg muscles must now contract and work more. This requires more energy.
> Your average runner may not be concerned with this, but your competitive runner might. Serious runners may want to consider the trade-off between having less mass on their feet by running barefoot vs. a greater risk of strain on their leg muscles by running barefoot. And if you're not interested in going barefoot, consider a light-weight training shoe.
> Kram, Rodger, Ph.D. "Making the Case for Running Shoes." The New York Times, March 2012.
>


#38842 From: "Curt Busse" <curt@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:23 am
Subject: Re: Energy Used
fmotf
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Barefoot Josh also has a great angle on this study: All barefoot running studies
are bunk. http://www.barefootjosh.com/?p=2901

> This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of
> times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast
> <http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/running-shod-more-efficient/>
> and by Steven Sashen

#38843 From: Burkard Eva-Maria <evamariabu@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:37 am
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Swollen Arch
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Hi James

When I had a plantar fasciitis, I experienced several times the same as you. Even if the PF didn't bother me too much, my firm tendon didn't tolerate the impact of stones.

Get well soon!
Araun




Am 13.04.2012 um 17:38 schrieb james:

 

Hi,
I stood on a stone today and my arch is swollen and sensitive. The same thing happened last year but went away due to little running over winter. There doesn't appear to be anything in my foot but there is bruising. How do you post a photo so i can get peopl's opinion?
Thanks.



#38844 From: james kemp <jamesrkemp@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:41 am
Subject: Re: Swollen Arch
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 Thanks all,
I don't consider it an over use injury as it is only triggered when i step on a stone and it occurs in the same place on the tendon. It isn't tender when running, only when i step on something. Do people think barefoot isn't for me or do i need to be more careful what i stand on? is this something that will go with time or are there exercises to help?
Thanks.
 

1 of 1 Photo(s)


#38845 From: "Robert Neinast" <neinast@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:57 am
Subject: Re: Odd "knot" in heel.
petlauh
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--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Cpt_Biggles" <tomtaylorson@...> wrote:
> I've noticed an odd knot on one of the bands of muscle running across (coronal
plane, L to R), my Left heel. It's not painful as of yet, just annoying. It's in
line w/ the ankle and is just a touch 'inside' the midline of the heel.
>
> Any ideas what this might be or precautions to take?

Maybe a ganglion cyst? See

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganglion_cyst>.

I had a small one a year or so ago, and the "Bible" method worked
for me.

Bob

#38846 From: piggieria@...
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Re: Swollen Arch [1 Attachment]
mariabl
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It doesn't mean barefooting isn't for you it just means you need to take more time to allow your body to adjust.  

Maria
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On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:41 AM, james kemp <jamesrkemp@...> wrote:

 

 Thanks all,
I don't consider it an over use injury as it is only triggered when i step on a stone and it occurs in the same place on the tendon. It isn't tender when running, only when i step on something. Do people think barefoot isn't for me or do i need to be more careful what i stand on? is this something that will go with time or are there exercises to help?
Thanks.
 


#38847 From: "Gordon" <gajslk@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Energy Used
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I know one of the guys who participated. The study was screwed up far more than
you would realize by reading the paper. And that's pretty bad. It was so bad
that he refused to participate in the follow up because he realized that the
data they were collecting was completely useless.

Gordon

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Rungal262@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to see this entire study to see how they determined this...but
honestly I have found the opposite to be true.  Interesting thoughts though.
> stacie
>
>
> Barefoot vs. Shoes - the Metabolic Debate
> We heard the benefits of running barefoot; that it is more natural, it is
easier, and it may reduce injuries. But this study out of the University of
Colorado wanted to look at the metabolic effect of running. In other words, does
wearing shoes require more energy than running barefoot?
> The general thinking would be yes, because shoes add mass, and pushing more
mass through space would require more energy. However, this study found
something different - that barefoot running is actually less efficient. Because
the shoes provide cushioning, when running barefoot, something else has to
provide this cushioning effect. That something is the legs. Since the shoes are
not there to absorb some of the forces generated when running, the leg muscles
must now contract and work more. This requires more energy.
> Your average runner may not be concerned with this, but your competitive
runner might. Serious runners may want to consider the trade-off between having
less mass on their feet by running barefoot vs. a greater risk of strain on
their leg muscles by running barefoot. And if you're not interested in going
barefoot, consider a light-weight training shoe.
> Kram, Rodger, Ph.D. "Making the Case for Running Shoes." The New York Times,
March 2012.
>

#38848 From: Tracy Longacre <tel@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Swollen Arch
tlongacre2
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I don't think this is a matter of adjustment at all. You had an accident. Let it heal. If you can run without problems, keep going. Sometimes s**t happens.


   Tracy E. Longacre
   from Hilfied Friary, Dorset
   +44 (7519) 636546
 
   just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com
   Run Blog:  http://revruns.blogspot.com
 
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         ————(_/-
          —-ooo0O—-
          —-(——)—-
          —–\-–(–
          ——\_)-
 


#38849 From: Leonardo Humberto Liporati <leonardo.liporati@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Re: Swollen Arch [1 Attachment]
liporati2002
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It is a traumatic injury. Like you, I am with an haematoma in me left arch
because I stood on a broken piece of concrete a few days ago. This occurs
sometimes. The spontaneus pain subsides in 2 days unless another thing
hits/presses the same point. But the purple coloration may last more than 3
weeks until the body absorbs the haematoma. After these events I prefer to train
in flat and clean surfaces to avoid another thing hiting the injury.

Good recovery!

Em Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:41:07 +0100 (BST), james kemp <jamesrkemp@...>
escreveu:
>  Thanks all,
> I don't consider it an over use injury as it is only triggered when i step on
a stone and it occurs in the same place on the tendon. It isn't tender when
running, only when i step on something. Do people think barefoot isn't for me or
do i need to be more careful what i stand on? is this something that will go
with time or are there exercises to help?
> Thanks.

#38850 From: Gabriel Alvarez <gabriel.alvarez@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Re: Swollen Arch [1 Attachment]
gabriel.alva...
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Funny, it it wasn't yours I 'd say it's my own foot :-) Same flat feet, same injured foot from stepping on a rock (construction site), same haematoma that I got a couple of days ago. It's still a bit tender to touch. Voltaren cream seems to work, and I'd say ibuprofen as well but I'm not a friend of taking pills unless it's really necessary. My kidneys don't need the extra stress. From experience I think the blood mark will be there for a while until it's reabsorbed.

Gabe


From: james kemp <jamesrkemp@...>
To: "RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com" <RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:41:07 AM
Subject: [The Running Barefoot] Re: Swollen Arch [1 Attachment]

 
 Thanks all,
I don't consider it an over use injury as it is only triggered when i step on a stone and it occurs in the same place on the tendon. It isn't tender when running, only when i step on something. Do people think barefoot isn't for me or do i need to be more careful what i stand on? is this something that will go with time or are there exercises to help?
Thanks.
 



#38851 From: "Adolfo Neto" <adolfont@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: Energy Used
adolfont
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I don't agree that all barefoot running studies are bunk.

See http://www.stevenrobbinsmd.com/ for instance.

The problem is: Science has its limitations.

We (scientist) usually don't have as many subjects as we want.
We don't have enough time.
Some scientists "lie" a bit otherwise their papers will not be published.

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Busse" <curt@...> wrote:
>
> Barefoot Josh also has a great angle on this study: All barefoot running
studies are bunk. http://www.barefootjosh.com/?p=2901
>
> > This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of
> > times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast
> > <http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/running-shod-more-efficient/>
> > and by Steven Sashen
>

#38852 From: Jim Wb <jimwb@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:33 pm
Subject: Wobblly
jimwb...
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I tried sprinting at the end of a run today. It was the first time I tried sprinting since going barefoot. It felt very wobbly which was strange. Any ideas on why?




#38853 From: "Adolfo Neto" <adolfont@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: Wobblly
adolfont
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Curiously, I did the same today. I mean, it was probably the first time I tried
sprint since going barefoot. It was on grass.

It aslo felt wobbly. Maybe he have to train some more. Maybe it was the terrain,
in my case, not entirely plain.

Does anyone trains barefoot in a track?

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Jim Wb <jimwb@...> wrote:
>
> I tried sprinting at the end of a run today.  It was the first time I tried
sprinting since going barefoot.  It felt very wobbly which was strange. Any
ideas on why?
>

#38854 From: "Adolfo Neto" <adolfont@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:45 pm
Subject: Brother Colm O'Connell on Barefoot Running
adolfont
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Brother Colm O'Connell, an Irish priest, is one of the most famous running coaches in Kenya. When asked, the runners who have attended his training camp say that the most important thing they learned from him is form.

In a recent book (http://amzn.to/RunningKenyansUS), Adharanand Finn visited one of his training camps and wrote the following:
 

All the athletes, I notice, are wearing shoes.

`What do you think about barefoot running?' I ask. For some reason it feels like a naive, almost stupid question. As though I'm asking him if he thinks athletes run better with shorter hair.

`We do all our exercises at the school in bare feet,' he says, looking at me, making sure I'm listening. `In the West we put children in shoes before they can walk. What are we teaching them? We're teaching them that the ground is dangerous, that they need to be protected from it. But Kenyan children can feel the ground, so they have a better relationship with it. They learn to place their foot carefully when they run, so they don't hurt themselves. They learn to land gently, lightly, gliding over the earth rather than pounding it.'

Brother Colm says he works on it not because he thinks the Kenyans have bad form, but because he wants to turn good form into perfect form. Breaking world records and winning gold medals requires fine polishing of talent. The running barefoot is one part of a formula that produces that talent, he says. A talent completely derived from their up-bringing. `It is a hard, physical life, one that makes them strong, disciplined and motivated to succeed,' he says. `When the athletes come to me at fifteen or sixteen, they are 60 per cent already there.' What he is doing by working on their form is giving them the tools to nurture that talent, that strength, born out of hardship, and turn it into gold.

#38855 From: "Curt Busse" <curt@...>
Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Energy Used
fmotf
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Steven Robbins' support of the barefoot condition is uncompromising - I'm
attracted to many of his ideas, yet I find that he can be just as dogmatic as
the people who he criticizes.

For example, in describing the huarache sandals of the Tarahumara, he says:

"One major problem with their sandal that I see is the thong between the toes. 
The skin between the great and second toe frequently breaks down with this type
of fixation system even when used in walking, and serious infection ensues.

    Running with it would be immeasurably more damaging than in walking because
of the amplified horizontal forces.  Accordingly, its use requires considerable
adaptation, and even then poses a health risk. For this reason I do not consider
them acceptable for occasional use in normally shod individuals."

This is total BS.



--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Adolfo Neto" <adolfont@...> wrote:
>
> I don't agree that all barefoot running studies are bunk.
>
> See http://www.stevenrobbinsmd.com/ for instance.
>
> The problem is: Science has its limitations.
>
> We (scientist) usually don't have as many subjects as we want.
> We don't have enough time.
> Some scientists "lie" a bit otherwise their papers will not be published.
>
> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Busse" <curt@> wrote:
> >
> > Barefoot Josh also has a great angle on this study: All barefoot running
studies are bunk. http://www.barefootjosh.com/?p=2901
> >
> > > This study has already been put through the wringer here a couple of
> > > times.   Here are good reviews by Robert Neinast
> > > <http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/running-shod-more-efficient/>
> > > and by Steven Sashen
> >
>

#38856 From: "Bruce" <bmkalow@...>
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:51 am
Subject: Boston Barefoot Festival
bmkalow
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#38857 From: Henry Chan <barefoot.henry@...>
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:28 am
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Re: Wobblly
barefoot.henry
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I started working out on the track with the Triathlon Club of San Diego during the Winter.  My previous best time for a Half Marathon was 2:17 (Nov 2011).  In March (last month), I finished in 2:07.  The last workout a few days before my Half was a one mile time trial, which I completed in 7:28.  Not blazing fast, but for a 51 year old, not too bad.

The track we used was at UCSD, which is a slightly cushioned (2 cm), but textured (like slight rough asphalt) track.  When you first run on it, you can feel the bounce, but after about 100 yards, you don't notice it.

The first few workouts, I had trouble running lightly, and had a noticeable foot slap as speed increased.  Muscles were sore as well, especially the tops of my feet.  After a few months, I was able to correct my form, and run quietly at speed.  One of the problems I had when trying to sprint was to increase my cadence.  Once I figured out that the cadence should pretty much remain the same, everything fell into place.  And I do mean 'fell'.  To go faster, you need to fall forward more.  The location of the center of mass and increased velocity will cause your stride to lengthen.  You don't push off your back foot, but just lean forward more to go faster.  Don't expect acceleration to be high, the speed increase is gradual.  The landing point (just slightly forward of your center of mass) will change at different speeds, but with enough practice, you'll be comfortable at any speed.

I suspect the wobbling feeling is a result of not being centered.  Experiment with you foot landing position, and I'm sure you can find that right spot where you feel stable.

Henry


From: Adolfo Neto <adolfont@...>
To: RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: [The Running Barefoot] Re: Wobblly

 
Curiously, I did the same today. I mean, it was probably the first time I tried sprint since going barefoot. It was on grass.

It aslo felt wobbly. Maybe he have to train some more. Maybe it was the terrain, in my case, not entirely plain.

Does anyone trains barefoot in a track?

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Jim Wb <jimwb@...> wrote:
>
> I tried sprinting at the end of a run today. It was the first time I tried sprinting since going barefoot. It felt very wobbly which was strange. Any ideas on why?
>




#38858 From: james kemp <jamesrkemp@...>
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:42 am
Subject: Re: Swollen Arch [1 Attachment]
jamesrkemp
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Thanks all, do people view the reoccurrence on the same foot a coincidence or could the plantar fascia be weak and more susceptible to injury? Are there any exercises to strengthen it?
I have taken barefoot running very gradually, building up to 4 miles over the past year or so.
Thanks.

#38859 From: Tracy Longacre <tel@...>
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:34 am
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Swollen Arch
tlongacre2
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If anything, I would take the reoccurrence to mean that perhaps you are not paying enough attention or being careful enough. If that is your dominant foot, it makes sense that it would be the one more likely injured.

   Tracy E. Longacre
   from Hilfied Friary, Dorset
   +44 (7519) 636546
 
   just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com
   Run Blog:  http://revruns.blogspot.com
 
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          —-(——)—-
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          ——\_)-
 


#38860 From: "Bruce" <bmkalow@...>
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:28 pm
Subject: Boston Barefoot 5K
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I added more photos from the weekend Barefoot Festival in Boston - the 5K was
today.

All at
http://bkalow.com/d/kenbob.htm

Thanks to everyone who organized and came -Preston, Ken Bob, Scott, and etc!

Bruce

#38861 From: "Adolfo Neto" <adolfont@...>
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: Boston Barefoot Festival
adolfont
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Thanks!

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <bmkalow@...> wrote:
>
> Featuring Ken Bob!
> http://bkalow.com/d/kenbob.htm
>
> Bruce
>

#38862 From: Burkard Eva-Maria <evamariabu@...>
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Swollen Arch
evamariabu
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as I told you from my experience with my plantar fasciitis, It's the stiffness of the plantar fascia, not the weakness that causes the bruises. I like to roll my foot over a tennis ball or when I'm outside, I stand on a big round stone and enjoy the stretch of the arches to help to release the tendon. 


Am 15.04.2012 um 10:42 schrieb james kemp:

 

Thanks all, do people view the reoccurrence on the same foot a coincidence or could the plantar fascia be weak and more susceptible to injury? Are there any exercises to strengthen it?
I have taken barefoot running very gradually, building up to 4 miles over the past year or so.
Thanks.



#38863 From: Tracy Longacre <tel@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:32 am
Subject: Posterior Tibial tendonitis
tlongacre2
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Hey folks,

Does anyone have any experience with posterior tibial tendonitis? A friend just wrote me 'cause she got this back in the fall, after walking barefoot & minimal for many months. The podiatrist put her in supportive shoes and orthotics (yikes!) but now she wants to get back to barefoot and wanted advice on strengthening exercises, etc.

I've never had this problem, but thought I'd see if any of you had and could offer advice.

Thanks!

   Tracy E. Longacre
   from Hilfied Friary, Dorset
   +44 (7519) 636546
 
   just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com
   Run Blog:  http://revruns.blogspot.com
 
          ———-O0ooo—
          ———–(——)—
          ————)–-/—-
         ————(_/-
          —-ooo0O—-
          —-(——)—-
          —–\-–(–
          ——\_)-
 


#38864 From: "runningdrummer1" <gordon.joshua@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:08 am
Subject: Re: Posterior Tibial tendonitis
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I had this twice on the same ankle (on my longer leg side). Not too bad and
lasted less than two weeks, but I realized as with many things it was a form
issue while running. It went away when I was able to get on the trails again. It
seamed to occur when I would run on sidewalks where the smooth surface wouldn't
provide the feedback to show me that my foot was trying to do too much work.

During my stride my foot was doing what my core, gluts and hips should have been
doing. I found I was "blocking" my hip, and gluts from doing their job on that
side by compensating with my calfs, ankle and foot. Kinda like holding a pot
(your torso) full of water from the end of the handle (ankle, foot, calf) as
opposed to holding the pot closer in by the base of the handle or from the pot
side (core, gluts, hips). It's MUCH less work and easier to control the pot by
holding it closer in from the handle.


After I fixed my form it never came back.

I might suggest she walk on trails paying attention to keep her feet VERY
relaxed by engaging her core, gluts, hips, by playing with the bend in the knee
and lifting the feet (as per Ken Bobs advice) letting the hips fall forward to
move her body.  Some light ankle, and calf stretching helped with my recovery
to.

Hope she finds her stride soon!
Best,
Josh

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Longacre <tel@...> wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Does anyone have any experience with posterior tibial tendonitis? A friend
just wrote me 'cause she got this back in the fall, after walking barefoot &
minimal for many months. The podiatrist put her in supportive shoes and
orthotics (yikes!) but now she wants to get back to barefoot and wanted advice
on strengthening exercises, etc.
>
> I've never had this problem, but thought I'd see if any of you had and could
offer advice.
>
> Thanks!
>
>    Tracy E. Longacre
>    from Hilfied Friary, Dorset
>    +44 (7519) 636546
>
>    just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com
>    Run Blog:  http://revruns.blogspot.com
>    Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tlongacre/
>
>           ———-O0ooo—
>           ———–(——)—
>           ————)–-/—-
>          ————(_/-
>           —-ooo0O—-
>           —-(——)—-
>           —–\-–(–
>           ——\_)-
>

#38865 From: Tracy Longacre <tel@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:32 am
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Posterior Tibial tendonitis
tlongacre2
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Thanks Josh. Yes, I think relaxing is very critical.


   Tracy E. Longacre
   from Hilfied Friary, Dorset
   +44 (7519) 636546
 
   just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com
   Run Blog:  http://revruns.blogspot.com
 
          ———-O0ooo—
          ———–(——)—
          ————)–-/—-
         ————(_/-
          —-ooo0O—-
          —-(——)—-
          —–\-–(–
          ——\_)-
 


#38866 From: "davidrtownsend" <davidrtownsend@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: Boston Barefoot 5K
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Look at all those bent knees and all those feet landing directly under the center of gravity!

Good Form Rules!

Run for fun,

:-{D}

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <bmkalow@...> wrote:
>
> I added more photos from the weekend Barefoot Festival in Boston - the 5K was today.
>
> All at
> http://bkalow.com/d/kenbob.htm
>
> Thanks to everyone who organized and came -Preston, Ken Bob, Scott, and etc!
>
> Bruce
>

#38867 From: Billy <billym36@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:09 pm
Subject: Interesting day at the playground
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I found myself at a state park playground this weekend, watching my daughter and her friend play.  There were a couple of ~10 yr old boys there, too, playing barefoot.  The boys were part of a group of about 10 who were playing tag, and therefore, of course, were running all over the place.  Remembering the advice of several barefoot/minimalist authorities to watch barefoot children playing for an example of good form... I started watching the boys, and comparing them to their shod playmates.  These barefoot/minimalist authorities were right.  The boys had great form.  It's hard to tell all the details of their strides without slow motion video, but they were definitely running lighter than their playmates.  One of them made a close pass to where I was sitting, and I could hear a light thump, thump, thump as he ran by, but only when he was close (less than 10 ft away).  I could hear the others from 30-40 ft away.

I THINK these young barefooters were midfoot striking, maybe a very slight heel strike.  Their feet were landing right under their body.  It was quite an interesting contrast in running styles.

#38868 From: Doug Sims <wdsims63@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: [The Running Barefoot] Posterior Tibial tendonitis
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If she got this from walking barefoot, it probably means that her feet were in a sever atrophied state to begin with. Looking at the the "medical" data on it, it is most common in people with flat feet (i.e. fallen arches, absolutely no foot musculature).

Rest would be good to let the inflammation settle down, then followed by strengthening exercises to build up the arch muscles and then strengthen the tendons and muscles directly affected.

Orthotics are never a solution, but if she has to keep moving for daily life/work (i.e. works as a waitress, nurse, etc.) then the orthotics will at least temporarily relieve the pain so that she can get through the day.

If she went directly from high heels (or even just heeled running shoes), then there is probably a good bit of stretching and lengthening of the tendons going on, especially in the first few months. I had inflammed calves and achilles tendons for at least 6 months when I finally kicked off my shoes. Of course, inflamed and painful achilles tendons were better than the plantar faciitis that caused me to start going barefoot.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Tracy Longacre <tel@...> wrote:


Hey folks,

Does anyone have any experience with posterior tibial tendonitis? A friend just wrote me 'cause she got this back in the fall, after walking barefoot & minimal for many months. The podiatrist put her in supportive shoes and orthotics (yikes!) but now she wants to get back to barefoot and wanted advice on strengthening exercises, etc.

I've never had this problem, but thought I'd see if any of you had and could offer advice.

Thanks!

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#38869 From: Barefoot Tatman <barefoot.tatman@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:42 pm
Subject: My first half marathon!!
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I am so excited!  I want to tell you of my experience running my first half
marathon at the Go! St. Louis event.  I am not sure if there were any from
this list that ran it.  I was looking for you!  But I didnΉt find anyone and
didnΉt hear of anyone.  My writing of my experience is way too long to post
and I have pictures to share.  So I wrote it out on my blog.  Please visit
it to read:

http://barefoot-tatman.blogspot.com/2012/04/my-first-half-marathon.html

I got the bug now to run more races!!!

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Barefoot Tatman in Greenville, IL
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#38870 From: "Wake" <wakep@...>
Date: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: Posterior Tibial tendonitis
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--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Longacre <tel@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone have any experience with posterior tibial tendonitis?

I injured this tendon/sheath in my first xc race several years ago (not bf). I
was unprepared for a steep rise and over-flexed my foot. I recovered ok, but
after that it would get irritated when I ran very much. I think my age worked
against me (>60), and I think it's a permanent thing for me. I never felt it
hindered my bf running.

I'd recommend good warmups and stretching the ankle area.

Unfortunately, arthritis in the hips prevents me from running much at all any
more. :(

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